Good luck to the team as we start another exciting season.
Derrick not starting
#mubb starters: Sandy Cohen III, Juan Anderson, Matt Carlino, Jajuan Johnson, Steve Taylor Jr. ... Derrick Wilson off the bench this time
Skycarp
http://www.muscoop.com/chat/flashchat.php (http://www.muscoop.com/chat/flashchat.php)
Chatroom is up... where is MBD?
Quote from: AZWarrior on November 14, 2014, 08:14:07 PM
#mubb starters: Sandy Cohen III, Juan Anderson, Matt Carlino, Jajuan Johnson, Steve Taylor Jr. ... Derrick Wilson off the bench this time
A coach who isn't afraid to play, and start a freshman?! Got to say, the hype around Cohen has been exciting. I had the impression he would need some time (measured in years) to mature, both on and off the court. Instead, he seems to be quite skilled already, and to have shown up on campus and immediately had a great work ethic and mindset.
Here we go!
Anyone thinking that Wojo will pull Juan 3 minutes into the game?
JUAN
Quote from: Eldon on November 14, 2014, 08:32:33 PM
Anyone thinking that Wojo will pull Juan 3 minutes into the game?
Um, no.
Derrick Wilson slowed by a knee this week ...
Yes but will Wayne Levairee say his nickname is Dancing Bear?
JJJ showing some hustle on the steal
Quote from: Eldon on November 14, 2014, 08:32:33 PM
Anyone thinking that Wojo will pull Juan 3 minutes into the game?
No, that would be Cohen.
Just firing off shots, I like it. Shooting when you're open. Such a crazy idea. Would would have thunk it?
Anyone know MU's record for headbands on the court at the same time?
Fml.
Stupid fsn Wisconsin told me I didn't get the channel.
So I go to first row sports as last resort. Download a flash player. Completely fucks my computer.
Turn it to fsn Wisconsin and now the game is magically on
Yeah, I went to front row and it wanted me to download a bunch of crap. I should theoretically be able to watch on FSN stream but it doesn't show my provider (Verizon) despite me having the channel.
Deonte so smooth with the 3-ball. Gonna be a star.
Skycarp
I guess it's too late for you two, but never download anything from firstrow (or their popups)
I wish I had said this earlier (though I thought all of the solicitations for a Ukranian mail order bride would have sent a strong enough signal)
Triple J doing a bit of everything? Would love to see him prove last year was an aberration
Dickey Simpkens---the worst.
Quote from: Eldon on November 14, 2014, 08:56:37 PM
I guess it's too late for you two, but never download anything from firstrow (or their popups)
I wish I had said this earlier (though I thought all of the solicitations for a Ukranian mail order bride would have sent a strong enough signal)
I didn't, fortunately I bailed when I saw all that crap come up.
Mentioned earlier this week that both of the Wilsons were banged up this week.
Quote from: T Diamond Smith34 on November 14, 2014, 08:58:01 PM
Triple J doing a bit of everything? Would love to see him prove last year was an aberration
JJJ looking good
Quote from: Eldon on November 14, 2014, 08:56:37 PM
I guess it's too late for you two, but never download anything from firstrow (or their popups)
I wish I had said this earlier (though I thought all of the solicitations for a Ukranian mail order bride would have sent a strong enough signal)
Lol damn!!
Completely resetting the comp hoping it works.
This season will be much more enjoyable to watch than last regardless of record. Won't have to worry about whether our best players are seeing the floor.
Quote from: T Diamond Smith34 on November 14, 2014, 08:58:49 PM
I didn't, fortunately I bailed when I saw all that crap come up.
firstrow is not so good, but if you run in chrome and download adblock extension for free on chrome you dont get any popups. Just for future reference
www.foxsports.com/foxsportsgo/ (http://www.foxsports.com/foxsportsgo/)
sign up for free pass all you need is your name and zip code, works for me in Colorado!
Quote from: HaywardsHeroes32 on November 14, 2014, 09:00:25 PM
Lol damn!!
Completely resetting the comp hoping it works.
You likely ended up with some sort of spyware/adware/malware. It could be bad, maybe. I'd get either malwarebytes or spybot S&D and do a scan to make sure your system is clean.
Quote from: rmi210 on November 14, 2014, 09:02:23 PM
firstrow is not so good, but if you run in chrome and download adblock extension for free on chrome you dont get any popups. Just for future reference
www.foxsports.com/foxsportsgo/ (http://www.foxsports.com/foxsportsgo/)
sign up for free pass all you need is your name and zip code, works for me in Colorado!
Sweet, thanks! I didn't see the free option
Goodness, love seeing this version of Juan!
Really like seeing the guys Brent wouldn't play (Juan, Teve, JJJ) already progressing under Wojo.
Juan is for real
Foul trouble going to be a problem again tonight. And size.
Quote from: HaywardsHeroes32 on November 14, 2014, 09:00:25 PM
Lol damn!!
Completely resetting the comp hoping it works.
Restart your computer in safe mode (assuming you have a PC, not a Mac). Once it starts up in safe mode, go to MSConfig and go to the startup tab. You should be able to uncheck whatever program the malware has installed. You may be able to delete it from there as well. Typically those types of programs have file names like M6yyt58uQbRt7.exe. Otherwise, try to sort by date and check whichever programs were most recently added.
Duane needs to be our starting point guard.
nm
Quote from: WolverineWarrior85 on November 14, 2014, 09:11:49 PM
Really like seeing the guys Brent wouldn't play (Juan, Teve, JJJ) already progressing under Wojo.
Yea, hard to believe guys would get better after another off-season and being another year older....
That looked like a 13-14 jumper from Juan.
JJJ is so smooth.
Quote from: Eldon on November 14, 2014, 09:17:10 PM
Restart your computer in safe mode (assuming you have a PC, not a Mac). Once it starts up in safe mode, go to MSConfig and go to the startup tab. You should be able to uncheck whatever program the malware has installed. You may be able to delete it from there as well. Typically those types of programs have file names like M6yyt58uQbRt7.exe. Otherwise, try to sort by date and check whichever programs were most recently added.
Thanks for the advice. As you can probably tell I know nothing about computers. I already went through with a complete restart(so it's as if I just bought it knew). Didn't have an important files saved this thing so it was simplest option lol.
Currently using it right now and going good!!
Now back to basketball
I realize it is early, but I hope there Wojo is installing an offense that consists of more than one pass and then shoot a 3. I recognize that many are enjoying the free flow compared to last year, but at some point MU is going to have to be successful in the half court.
Quote from: jesmu84 on November 14, 2014, 09:20:21 PM
Yea, hard to believe guys would get better after another off-season and being another year older....
Whatever...
I'm watching on tv.....don't feel like stealing.
Soooo, what's everyone drinking tonight?
Jefferson's Reserve here.
Quote from: tower912 on November 14, 2014, 09:28:06 PM
I realize it is early, but I hope there Wojo is installing an offense that consists of more than one pass and then shoot a 3. I recognize that many are enjoying the free flow compared to last year, but at some point MU is going to have to be successful in the half court.
Agreed but right now it's just kinda fun watching the guys go out.
We know with lack of depth and size it's going to be a tough year. Just hoping everyone can better.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on November 14, 2014, 09:30:11 PM
I'm watching on tv.....don't feel like stealing.
Homer and j-mac are having a good time, that's for sure
Quote from: jesmu84 on November 14, 2014, 09:20:21 PM
Yea, hard to believe guys would get better after another off-season and being another year older....
So JJJ improved that much with hardly any game experience in one year? Sure...
Quote from: real chili 83 on November 14, 2014, 09:30:40 PM
Soooo, what's everyone drinking tonight?
Jefferson's Reserve here.
The Original Firemans Brew Doublebock.
Quote from: real chili 83 on November 14, 2014, 09:30:40 PM
Soooo, what's everyone drinking tonight?
Jefferson's Reserve here.
A nice farmhouse ale
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on November 14, 2014, 09:30:11 PM
I'm watching on tv.....don't feel like stealing.
No one cares.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on November 14, 2014, 09:30:11 PM
I'm watching on tv.....don't feel like stealing.
We're familiar with your honesty
Quote from: HaywardsHeroes32 on November 14, 2014, 09:31:33 PM
Agreed but right now it's just kinda fun watching the guys go out.
We know with lack of depth and size it's going to be a tough year. Just hoping everyone can better.
It is fun watching them just play. They look young, energetic, a tad undisciplined on offense, attacking on defense. I am enjoying everything but the half court offense. Well, and the lack of size and depth. But waddaya gonna do?
Quote from: real chili 83 on November 14, 2014, 09:30:40 PM
Soooo, what's everyone drinking tonight?
Jefferson's Reserve here.
The Balvenie over two ice cubes. It's cold out there, you know.
Did Derrick really take all those shots over the summer? He still looks like someone you don't have to guard at all.
90 shilling and mercenary ale (Odell brewing)... Deonte w 10... Could have 20 but missing bunnies... Gonna be a long year...
It is going to be a year for everyone to learn and get better. About the process and not the outcome.
Quote from: ecompt on November 14, 2014, 09:36:02 PM
Did Derrick really take all those shots over the summer? He still looks like someone you don't have to guard at all.
Well it certainly didn't help his ft shooting
I never read that he took lots of shots under a shooting coach's supervision, or totally on his own. I'd like to think a coach identified flaws in his shot, and DW spent all that time grooving a more fundamentally correct form.
If he just shot lots and lots of shots with his pre-existing form however, it was just a waste of time and opportunity.
But I'm confident it was the former. :)
Quote from: real chili 83 on November 14, 2014, 09:30:40 PM
Soooo, what's everyone drinking tonight?
Jefferson's Reserve here.
1554
I'm afraid I'll already be sick of our new commercial by the end of the month. Unless it's always followed by Alex Morgan - that's just smart placement.
Quote from: ecompt on November 14, 2014, 09:36:02 PM
Did Derrick really take all those shots over the summer? He still looks like someone you don't have to guard at all.
They didn't say if he made any...
It's half
Burton, JJJ, Juan, Du Wilson +++++
De Wilson, Carlino, ----
I thought that Diener wasn't allowed to coach. Or is that just in practice?
Nice euro-step, Juan. Following with a 3.
I'm actually starting to believe Juan may contribute this year
Spotted Cow.
A D3 team and Tennessee Martin are obviously not the cream of the crop
But man I hope this is a sign of a Senior Juan!!!
Juan showing some confidence
Taking it Juan play at a time.
Who is this Juan Anderson guy?
I'm seriously Juandering who this guy is, I have never seen him before.
Skycarp
We now know that Miles Taylor is no relation to Steve Taylor. Does not need to be said again. Buzz held JJJ back.
terrible pass jjj. but then he makes up for it.
Feeding stj a ton on the low block.
FWIW - Marquette was favored by 19.
Quote from: tower912 on November 14, 2014, 09:28:06 PM
I realize it is early, but I hope there Wojo is installing an offense that consists of more than one pass and then shoot a 3. I recognize that many are enjoying the free flow compared to last year, but at some point MU is going to have to be successful in the half court.
When your offense and numbers limited, you run and get as many points as you can in transition.
Quote from: ecompt on November 14, 2014, 09:36:02 PM
Did Derrick really take all those shots over the summer? He still looks like someone you don't have to guard at all.
He is definitely hurt. Spent more time on the courtside bike than on the court
Interested in the targeted demographics for the advertisers.... Wing Stop, then Polaris ATV's. Urban v Rural
Cohen isn't exactly stuffing the stat sheet, but he certainly looks like he belongs. Juan looked lost last year, but I don't see Sandy looking that way at all.
Quote from: Knight Commission on November 14, 2014, 09:50:52 PM
We now know that Miles Taylor is no relation to Steve Taylor. Does not need to be said again. Buzz held JJJ back.
I might need to hear it a fourth time; with such an uncommon last name I just assumed they were brothers, the 15 Taylors in the NFL at any given time are all cousins, and Tim the Toolman Taylor was is an uncle.
I stand by my prediction that we will start to see why JJJ was our highest RSCI ranked recruit this millennium before Ellenson.
Derrick is hurt. And foul trouble is going to bite us.
We really need Steve to finish around the rim
So Deonte keeps fouling at a crazy rate.....
A seal by someone other than Otule. Nice!
Fouls bad.
Looks like a decent crowd.
It's only game one against a cupcake.
But personally I'm already getting aroused at the prospects of an upperclassmen JJJ.
The jajuan johnson show; love it
Quote from: HaywardsHeroes32 on November 14, 2014, 10:03:10 PM
It's only game one against a cupcake.
But personally I'm already getting aroused at the prospects of an upperclassmen JJJ.
TMI.
Enjoying the new faces.
So we are 3 fouls away to only 7 players...
Quote from: MUEagle1090 on November 14, 2014, 09:55:20 PM
He is definitely hurt. Spent more time on the courtside bike than on the court
I'm glad we don't have to see Derrick for 30 MPG This year.... Hope it stays this way....
Hahaha, Wojo on the sideline after that dunk.
Buzz-like ;D
This is a tournament team. A lot of talent here. Great energy.
I Juan-t some of what he is having.
Did they practice free throws?
Steal + Assist, JJJ
This team looks like they're having fun. Huge difference from last year. Like the difference in attitude and body language between Jay Cutler and Rodgers.
Oh by the way, I couldn't be more pleased that it's airing live in Charlotte, NC.
Quote from: Knight Commission on November 14, 2014, 10:07:54 PM
This is a tournament team. A lot of talent here. Great energy.
bold! Ill hold my judgment until we play osu next Tuesday
Dumb shot, STjr. Carlino with a weak foul following up with a T. Not smart.
Quote from: Knight Commission on November 14, 2014, 10:07:54 PM
This is a tournament team. A lot of talent here. Great energy.
Love the enthusiasm but let's simmer down. Still in consistent in this game alone .
Quote from: Aughnanure on November 14, 2014, 09:33:17 PM
No one cares.
I feel good...no need to steel. The advertising ratings count, the people that gave the Big East hundreds of millions of dollars can feel vindicated...it helps MU short term and long term.
People care. I can sleep at night.
This team is not ready to have Duane running the point with Carlino on the bench. If Derrick isn't able to go right now....man, this could get tight.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on November 14, 2014, 10:12:46 PM
I feel good...no need to steel. The advertising ratings count, the people that gave the Big East hundreds of millions of dollars can feel vindicated...it helps MU short term and long term.
People care. I can sleep at night.
Different thread. Please.
Quote from: tower912 on November 14, 2014, 10:14:25 PM
This team is not ready to have Duane running the point with Carlino on the bench. If Derrick isn't able to go right now....man, this could get tight.
Let's not get ahead of ourselves right now...
UTM stepping up their D and Duane struggling to get the team into its offense.
Plenty of good tonight, but plenty of mistakes that are on tape. Missed defensive rebounds. Missed rotations. Early shots.
Just get the win and learn all you can from it. Still more positives than negatives from this game so far.
Quote from: tower912 on November 14, 2014, 10:14:25 PM
This team is not ready to have Duane running the point with Carlino on the bench. If Derrick isn't able to go right now....man, this could get tight.
Uh okay. Please don't start with this crap.
Carlino and Burton in foul trouble. Derrick hurt. Dawson only coming in due to foul trouble. Here is your 5 for the next few minutes.
Nice d
SOTG will be an easy call
No way JJJ improved that much in one year. In the words of Steve Taylor "F**k Buzz"
Jeez I know the last few years our 3 shooting as been poor .
But this announcer acts like MU teams have always shot like a 1 armed blind kid.
Thank God Buzz left - and these players all stayed!
4 players with 4 fouls!
Cohen with two treys in the second half!
Sandy lookin' like he belongs
Skycarp
I'd like to see this team with Chris Otule. Hopefully Fischer can fill that role and more.
Congratulations on your first victory Coach Wojo!
Quote from: chapman on November 14, 2014, 10:35:07 PM
I'd like to see this team with Chris Otule. Hopefully Fischer can fill that role and more.
Thought the exact same thing as I watched the 2nd half. Shouldn't he have a couple more years of eligibility?
Quote from: ChitownJuan on November 14, 2014, 10:25:57 PM
No way JJJ improved that much in one year. In the words of Steve Taylor "F**k Buzz"
Steve was right on regarding Buzz of last year...Character revealed. But, it was a great 5 year run prior to that.
At least owe Buzz some due for having gotten these guys to MU in the first place, but what's odd is that usually when a coach leaves that recruited a player originally - they are much more likely to transfer than to stay...whereas if Buzz stayed...JJJ and Steve were gone.
Good thing Jake got all that experience last season instead of JJJ. ::)
Quote from: tower912 on November 14, 2014, 10:14:25 PM
This team is not ready to have Duane running the point with Carlino on the bench. If Derrick isn't able to go right now....man, this could get tight.
I want Carlino running things. He's a baller.
Quote from: ChitownJuan on November 14, 2014, 10:25:57 PM
No way JJJ improved that much in one year. In the words of Steve Taylor "F**k Buzz"
Ha. Now we know why Buzz kept him on the bench all year ::)
Quote from: rocky_warrior on November 14, 2014, 10:26:41 PM
Dawson
Well if you voted Dawson, you could just as easily vote Derrick. They produced about the same although Dawson with one less turnover...if you are keeping score at home.
So the early indications are that J3 is going to fare much better under this management than last year's.
Real nice game, J3. ;D
Quote from: AZWarrior on November 14, 2014, 10:39:42 PM
So the early indications are that J3 is going to fare much better under this management than last year's.
Real nice game, J3. ;D
+1
As will every returning player...book that.
Quote from: ChitownJuan on November 14, 2014, 10:25:57 PM
No way JJJ improved that much in one year. In the words of Steve Taylor "F**k Buzz"
I vaguely remember this quote: what was the context?
Quote from: Ellenson Guerrero on November 14, 2014, 10:42:06 PM
I vaguely remember this quote: what was the context?
When I was talking to him the other week.
Wojo ties Brad Autry's MU record 1.000 winning percentage. :D
JJJ hasn't had that much fun playing basketball in a long time. And great to see Juan being the game instead of getting lost in it.
Quote from: NersEllenson on November 14, 2014, 10:39:35 PM
Well if you voted Dawson, you could just as easily vote Derrick. They produced about the same although Dawson with one less turnover...if you are keeping score at home.
Difficult to have any turnovers if you never touched the ball
Quote from: T Diamond Smith34 on November 14, 2014, 10:44:13 PM
Difficult to have any turnovers if you never touched the ball
Good one. I won't get into all the darts that can be thrown in your guy...let's just say he certainly wasn't missed in the 2nd half. MU Basketball oddly became fun to watch again.
Quote from: NersEllenson on November 14, 2014, 10:48:45 PM
Good one. I won't get into all the darts that can be thrown in your guy...let's just say he certainly wasn't missed in the 2nd half. MU Basketball oddly became fun to watch again.
There isn't a "my guy".
Your ridiculous insistence on making every thread a Derrick vs. Dawson thread? Not going to play.
Quote from: T Diamond Smith34 on November 14, 2014, 10:50:36 PM
There isn't a "my guy".
Ahh okay T Diamond. Whatever you say sir. Whatever.
Quote from: NersEllenson on November 14, 2014, 10:39:35 PM
Well if you voted Dawson, you could just as easily vote Derrick. They produced about the same although Dawson with one less turnover...if you are keeping score at home.
And two less blocks and one less assist. If you are keeping score at home ;)
Quote from: NersEllenson on November 14, 2014, 10:36:41 PM
Steve was right on regarding Buzz of last year...Character revealed. But, it was a great 5 year run prior to that.
At least owe Buzz some due for having gotten these guys to MU in the first place, but what's odd is that usually when a coach leaves that recruited a player originally - they are much more likely to transfer than to stay...whereas if Buzz stayed...JJJ and Steve were gone.
Good thing Jake Mayo got all that experience last season instead of JJJ. ::)
FIFY
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on November 14, 2014, 11:36:07 PM
And two less blocks and one less assist. If you are keeping score at home ;)
Of course...in 3 times the amount of playing time. Looks like Dawson will be the 9th man at this point so I won't have a lot to say on that...but for the love of God it was great to see Carlino and Duane running things in the second half. Duane looks promising, and in my view, there is little reason as to why by conference play he's not the starting PG on this team.
Jeff Maillet @jeff_maillet 36 minutes ago Milwaukee, WI
#mubb forward Juan Anderson: "It's a breath of fresh air when you know you're going to see the floor."
Quote from: NersEllenson on November 14, 2014, 10:41:34 PM
+1
As will every returning player...book that.
Hope so since they've had another off-season of training, etc.
I think there was even a famous quote from Al about the situation...
Quote from: jesmu84 on November 15, 2014, 02:00:27 AM
Hope so since they've had another off-season of training, etc.
I think there was even a famous quote from Al about the situation...
Whatever fits your narrative. I thank Buzz for what he did years 1-5 but he did a grave injustice to JJJ last year. No way he becomes that good from no game experience. I have been around basketball too long and have nevery seen a jump like that.
Steve Taylor: "F**k Buzz"
Quote from: ChitownJuan on November 15, 2014, 03:01:18 AM
Whatever fits your narrative. I thank Buzz for what he did years 1-5 but he did a grave injustice to JJJ last year. No way he becomes that good from no game experience. I have been around basketball too long and have nevery seen a jump like that.
Steve Taylor: "F**k Buzz"
There's no narrative. I could care less who is running our program as long as everything else is functioning the waway it should be. Every returning player should, by definition of their timeline as a college basketball player, be better this season.
Oh, and something about freshmen becoming sophomores. Did Al have a narrative too?
Quote from: AZWarrior on November 14, 2014, 10:39:42 PM
So the early indications are that J3 is going to fare much better under this management than last year's.
Real nice game, J3. ;D
He did have a nice game, never meeting a shot he did not like either.
Quote from: willie warrior on November 15, 2014, 06:30:51 AM
He did have a nice game, never meeting a shot he did not like either.
JJJ looks for the fast break to others first . The shots he took where makeable and he made them. He has a winning mentality.
Quote from: willie warrior on November 15, 2014, 06:30:51 AM
He did have a nice game, never meeting a shot he did not like either.
I thought he only took one bad shot (though I didn't see the first 8 minutes). Along with one bad pass.
Only 1 TO, 0 PF, and 6-9 from the floor. Extremely efficient.
Quote from: NersEllenson on November 14, 2014, 11:39:22 PM
Of course...in 3 times the amount of playing time. Looks like Dawson will be the 9th man at this point so I won't have a lot to say on that...but for the love of God it was great to see Carlino and Duane running things in the second half. Duane looks promising, and in my view, there is little reason as to why by conference play he's not the starting PG on this team.
Duane this season would have been an improvement over Derrick last season. I'll definitely agree to that. And I think he will be an improvement over Derrick this season as well. However, I honestly thought Duane was was the least impressive of the seven who got playing time tonight. Four fouls, took some unnecessary erratic drives, and missed some open shots. But he showed a lot of potential. I'm excited to see what he can grow into. However, based on last night, I think Carlino is our starting PG. Duane is either a backup PG or SG
Quote from: ChitownJuan on November 15, 2014, 03:01:18 AM
Whatever fits your narrative. I thank Buzz for what he did years 1-5 but he did a grave injustice to JJJ last year. No way he becomes that good from no game experience. I have been around basketball too long and have nevery seen a jump like that.
Steve Taylor: "F**k Buzz"
Whatever fits your narrative. Keep in mind that you have only heard Steve's side of the story. Of course, the player thinks he was benched unfairly. I also thought it was unfair when I was grounded for taking my dad's Camaro for a joyride. Depending on who you talk to, it was either the players fault or the coach's fault. What it sounds like to me personally is that Steve and JJJ deserved to be benched last season, but not for as long or as often as they were.
All that being said, I'm ecstatic we have Wojo. Because while Buzz may have had to make a tough choice whether or not to bench JJJ and Steve. Wojo did him 5 steps better and just eliminated the need for that decision in the first place. That is the sign of a great coach. We've got a great one in the making leading our team.
Quote from: jesmu84 on November 15, 2014, 02:00:27 AM
Hope so since they've had another off-season of training, etc.
I think there was even a famous quote from Al about the situation...
Give me a break. Where was this improvement then from Derrick and Juan through even their first 3 years at MU? That was half the point of last season...if by the end of your junior year...after getting max PT and playing more minutes than any other guy on the team, you still produced at an abysmal level - enough already. At least you could excuse Juan's production or lack thereof as he as jerked around all 3 of his first 3 years while at MU by Buzz. Hard to get consistent performance when you have radically inconsistent PT.
Quote from: NersEllenson on November 15, 2014, 10:38:56 AM
Give me a break. Where was this improvement then from Derrick and Juan through even their first 3 years at MU? That was half the point of last season...if by the end of your junior year...after getting max PT and playing more minutes than any other guy on the team, you still produced at an abysmal level - enough already. At least you could excuse Juan's production or lack thereof as he as jerked around all 3 of his first 3 years while at MU by Buzz. Hard to get consistent performance when you have radically inconsistent PT.
So you believe that derrick and Juan did not improve even 1% since they arrived at MU until this year? I don't believe that to be true.
Juan and Derrick both steadily improved each year. Neither made an impressive leap however. It's very early but it looks like Juan might do that this year.
Quote from: NersEllenson on November 14, 2014, 11:39:22 PM
for the love of God it was great to see Carlino and Duane running things in the second half.
It definitely was great to see a PG or two who could hit a free throw in the second half!
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on November 15, 2014, 10:25:30 AM
Whatever fits your narrative. Keep in mind that you have only heard Steve's side of the story. Of course, the player thinks he was benched unfairly. I also thought it was unfair when I was grounded for taking my dad's Camaro for a joyride. Depending on who you talk to, it was either the players fault or the coach's fault. What it sounds like to me personally is that Steve and JJJ deserved to be benched last season, but not for as long or as often as they were.
All that being said, I'm ecstatic we have Wojo. Because while Buzz may have had to make a tough choice whether or not to bench JJJ and Steve. Wojo did him 5 steps better and just eliminated the need for that decision in the first place. That is the sign of a great coach. We've got a great one in the making leading our team.
I'll trust the player more than the coach who told JJJ that he could be the man right away in order to get him away from Memphis.
Quote from: ChitownJuan on November 15, 2014, 01:46:10 PM
I'll trust the player more than the coach who told JJJ that he could be the man right away in order to get him away from Memphis.
JJJ wasn't being recruited by Memphis. He chose MU over Alabama and Miami.
Quote from: ChitownJuan on November 15, 2014, 01:46:10 PM
I'll trust the player more than the coach who told JJJ that he could be the man right away in order to get him away from Memphis.
Of course. Because Buzz is gone and he was losing last season. If he had been winning, you would have been telling JJJ to take a hike.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on November 15, 2014, 03:10:53 PM
Of course. Because Buzz is gone and he was losing last season. If he had been winning, you would have been telling JJJ to take a hike.
I'm just repeating what I hear.
Quote from: ChitownJuan on November 15, 2014, 04:10:10 PM
I'm just repeating what I hear.
So you heard that Buzz gave JJJ a line to get him away from Memphis...even though he wasn't being recruited by Memphis?
Perhaps the people you are hearing this stuff shouldn't be believed.
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on November 15, 2014, 01:24:39 PM
Juan and Derrick both steadily improved each year. Neither made an impressive leap however. It's very early but it looks like Juan might do that this year.
How has Derrick steadily improved in your opinion, in all seriousness? I think offensively he has regressed.
Quote from: Wojo'sMojo on November 15, 2014, 04:30:18 PM
How has Derrick steadily improved in your opinion, in all seriousness? I think offensively he has regressed.
Shoots better. Handles better. Defends OK. Marginal improvements.
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on November 15, 2014, 04:36:09 PM
Shoots better. Handles better. Defends OK. Marginal improvements.
But does he really shoot better? His ft% has went down every year and his 3pt% regressed last year as well.
Quote from: Wojo'sMojo on November 15, 2014, 04:42:05 PM
But does he really shoot better? His ft% has went down every year and his 3pt% regressed last year as well.
His overall FG% has gone up.
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on November 15, 2014, 01:24:39 PM
Juan and Derrick both steadily improved each year. Neither made an impressive leap however. It's very early but it looks like Juan might do that this year.
I think that's right. And I believe that Wojo's coaching is the reason. Juan has looked very good in the two games I've seen.
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on November 15, 2014, 04:27:22 PM
So you heard that Buzz gave JJJ a line to get him away from Memphis...even though he wasn't being recruited by Memphis?
Perhaps the people you are hearing this stuff shouldn't be believed.
Straight from the horses mouth. May have gotten the schools mixed up but there was a pry.
Quote from: ChitownJuan on November 15, 2014, 05:28:34 PM
Straight from the horses mouth. May have gotten the schools mixed up but there was a pry.
Sure.
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on November 15, 2014, 05:59:06 PM
Sure.
I have a job on campus where I can get a lot of info. Glow and chick can confirm.
Edit: Sorry to put you on the spot like this glow and chick. I'll take it down if you request.
Quote from: ChitownJuan on November 15, 2014, 07:30:04 PM
I have a job on campus where I can get a lot of info. Glow and chick can confirm.
Edit: Sorry to put you on the spot like this glow and chick. I'll take it down if you request.
I'm not doubting you hear stuff. I am doubting that JJJ told you flat out that Buzz lied to him.
Quote from: ChitownJuan on November 15, 2014, 07:30:04 PM
I have a job on campus where I can get a lot of info. Glow and chick can confirm.
Edit: Sorry to put you on the spot like this glow and chick. I'll take it down if you request.
Your parents?
Quote from: jesmu84 on November 15, 2014, 01:20:21 PM
So you believe that derrick and Juan did not improve even 1% since they arrived at MU until this year? I don't believe that to be true.
Okay - you got me. Maybe they improved by 3%. But it was minimal, and in Juan's case I can at least understand partially why - he has always been yanked around with his PT/role. For Derrick, he got as good of opportunity as a college player could ever ask for last season, he his numbers actually regressed as far as 3 pt shooting and FTs...and I can't put much value on FG percentage when the only FGs you take as a guard are within 2 feet of the basket.
You essentially were trying to downplay the big step up we saw from JJJ last night. A guy doesn't simply be non-worthy of getting into games at the end of his freshman year, when he's playing behind a highly ineffective senior - to being the star of the first game of sophomore year.
And I suspect Juan will continue to play solidly with consistent playing time and good/normal coaching by Wojo.
Quote from: NersEllenson on November 15, 2014, 09:12:15 PM
You essentially were trying to downplay the big step up we saw from JJJ last night. A guy doesn't simply be non-worthy of getting into games at the end of his freshman year, when he's playing behind a highly ineffective senior - to being the star of the first game of sophomore year
I wasn't. I was a fan of jjj last year and wanted him to see th court more. I will acknowledge that wojo could have improved jjj beyond what buzz was able to do. I was merely stating that it is not uncommon for players to make a big leap between freshmen and sophomore years.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on November 14, 2014, 11:37:30 PM
FIFY
I don't understand why you keep saying Mayo blocked JJJ instead of Jake. You keep saying we needed Jake to stretch the defense. Pretty sure JJJ was a threat from 3 last night and he would've been last year too. JJJ is a shooting guard, same as Jake.
Quote from: Wojo'sMojo on November 15, 2014, 10:10:52 PM
I don't understand why you keep saying Mayo blocked JJJ instead of Jake. You keep saying we needed Jake to stretch the defense. Pretty sure JJJ was a threat from 3 last night and he would've been last year too. JJJ is a shooting guard, same as Jake.
JJJ was shooting sub .300 last season. Jake was near .400. JJJ shot it well last night, you may have noticed that the awkward hitch in his shot is gone. He was not known for his shooting ability coming out of high school...his talent was slashing.
JJJ is not a shooting guard. He is a combo guard or wing, whatever you want to call it. Jake is a pure shooting guard. Mayo played the same role as JJJ. JJJ could not bring what Jake could last season. Playing JJJ and Mayo at the same time would have been a disaster last season.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on November 15, 2014, 10:26:10 PM
JJJ was shooting sub .300 last season. Jake was near .400. JJJ shot it well last night, you may have noticed that the awkward hitch in his shot is gone. He was not known for his shooting ability coming out of high school...his talent was slashing.
JJJ is not a shooting guard. He is a combo guard or wing, whatever you want to call it. Jake is a pure shooting guard. Mayo played the same role as JJJ. JJJ could not bring what Jake could last season. Playing JJJ and Mayo at the same time would have been a disaster last season.
Was Michael Jordan a shooting guard? Just because a player can drive and slash doesn't mean they aren't a shooting guard. Jordan was a shooting guard, as was Steve Kerr. Who was more valuable? JJJ not only could have brought what Jake did last year, he would have brought a whole added dimension. My point is Shooting guards come in all different forms and JJJ would have been able to keep defenses honest with his outside shot. I think Mayo and JJJ would have been great together last year. Two players who could drive and shoot, is better than having one guy out there who was a one trick pony for 30 minutes a game.
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on November 15, 2014, 04:36:09 PM
Shoots better.
I have seen no evidence that Derrick shoots better. Certainly didn't see it either last night -- when he bricked two free throws, his only shots longer than a foot -- or last season, when I'm not sure he made three shots from beyond three feet.
I
want to see it. Wanting something and having it actually happen are two different things.
His career percentages are .368 FGs, .083 on 3's and .440 on FTs. If he isn't the worst-shooting PG in college basketball, I'd like to hear who is.
Defending him by saying he has proven he is shooting better -- even incrementally better -- hurts one's credibility.
Quote from: Wojo'sMojo on November 15, 2014, 11:04:20 PM
Was Michael Jordan a shooting guard? Just because a player can drive and slash doesn't mean they aren't a shooting guard. Jordan was a shooting guard, as was Steve Kerr. Who was more valuable? JJJ not only could have brought what Jake did last year, he would have brought a whole added dimension. My point is Shooting guards come in all different forms and JJJ would have been able to keep defenses honest with his outside shot. I think Mayo and JJJ would have been great together last year. Two players who could drive and shoot, is better than having one guy out there who was a one trick pony for 30 minutes a game.
Michael Jordan's ability to drive didn't keep him from being a SG. But JJJ's inability to hit a three at decent clip kept him from being a shooting guard.
Fans look at players in terms of what position do they play. Coaches look at players based on what role can they play. For example, Lebron didn't play the point guard position for Miami, but he often played the role of point guard. Mayo and JJJ played the exact same role last season. They were slashing guards. As a general rule, you don't play two slashing guards together when your best player is an immobile post and your PG doesn't need a defender on the perimeter. That paint would have gotten more stuffed than a thanksgiving turkey. So yes, Jake and JJJ were both 2s, but they played completely different roles.
Mayo barely hit threes at a .300 clip. JJJ was sub .300. To call either a shooter would have been a fallacy. Slashers are most effective when paired with a shooter. Jake the Snake fit this role perfectly. Our most effective lineup last season was when Mayo and Jake were on the court at the same time. JJJ could have theoretically replicated what Mayo brought, but there was no way he was going to replicate Jake's shooting.
Now, if yesterday's performance is indicative of how he will shoot now that that the awkward hitch is out of his form, than maybe this season's JJJ would have been able to fill the role of both slasher and shooter. I think so and I hope so.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on November 16, 2014, 01:57:39 AM
Michael Jordan's ability to drive didn't keep him from being a SG. But JJJ's inability to hit a three at decent clip kept him from being a shooting guard.
Fans look at players in terms of what position do they play. Coaches look at players based on what role can they play. For example, Lebron didn't play the point guard position for Miami, but he often played the role of point guard. Mayo and JJJ played the exact same role last season. They were slashing guards. As a general rule, you don't play two slashing guards together when your best player is an immobile post and your PG doesn't need a defender on the perimeter. That paint would have gotten more stuffed than a thanksgiving turkey. So yes, Jake and JJJ were both 2s, but they played completely different roles.
Mayo barely hit threes at a .300 clip. JJJ was sub .300. To call either a shooter would have been a fallacy. Slashers are most effective when paired with a shooter. Jake the Snake fit this role perfectly. Our most effective lineup last season was when Mayo and Jake were on the court at the same time. JJJ could have theoretically replicated what Mayo brought, but there was no way he was going to replicate Jake's shooting.
Now, if yesterday's performance is indicative of how he will shoot now that that the awkward hitch is out of his form, than maybe this season's JJJ would have been able to fill the role of both slasher and shooter. I think so and I hope so.
Michael Jordan and Scottie Pippen are both 32% career 3 point shooters. It didn't seem to hamper the Bulls, who put together some of the best teams ever. Mayo hit 33.3% and JJJ 29% on threes last year. It could have been done and would have worked out better for us than having Jake on the floor for 30mpg. Jake hit 3's at a 39% clip last year, the year prior, under 28%. I look for a similar jump from JJJ this year.
Quote from: MU82 on November 15, 2014, 11:23:14 PM
I have seen no evidence that Derrick shoots better. Certainly didn't see it either last night -- when he bricked two free throws, his only shots longer than a foot -- or last season, when I'm not sure he made three shots from beyond three feet.
I want to see it. Wanting something and having it actually happen are two different things.
His career percentages are .368 FGs, .083 on 3's and .440 on FTs. If he isn't the worst-shooting PG in college basketball, I'd like to hear who is.
Defending him by saying he has proven he is shooting better -- even incrementally better -- hurts one's credibility.
Even though it is objectively accurate if you look at FG%.
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on November 15, 2014, 08:10:08 PM
I'm not doubting you hear stuff. I am doubting that JJJ told you flat out that Buzz lied to him.
Let it go Sultan. And Chitown, of course you hear things directly from players. So does my kid. But understand that everything they say is filtered through their own 19 y/o lens. Carry on men.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on November 16, 2014, 01:57:39 AM
Fans look at players in terms of what position do they play. Coaches look at players based on what role can they play. For example, Lebron didn't play the point guard position for Miami, but he often played the role of point guard. Mayo and JJJ played the exact same role last season. They were slashing guards. As a general rule, you don't play two slashing guards together when your best player is an immobile post and your PG doesn't need a defender on the perimeter. That paint would have gotten more stuffed than a thanksgiving turkey. So yes, Jake and JJJ were both 2s, but they played completely different roles.
Which leads to another thing I've contemplated. All will recall that Derrick had a tough time with his entry pass to the post last year. We were built around 'the big fella' and really struggled to get him the ball effectively. I wonder how Carlino would have done? And I'm very glad that we're back to a motion offense. On Friday I don't think I remember a single forced shot as the shot clock wound down. And from what little I remember, Luke can move and pass with the best of them so when he returns.....
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on November 16, 2014, 07:38:08 AM
Even though it is objectively accurate if you look at FG%.
If you think going from hitting 30% of one's layups to hitting 40% of one's layups is a sign of improved shooting ability, you win. I can't argue with that.
Quote from: Wojo'sMojo on November 15, 2014, 04:30:18 PM
How has Derrick steadily improved in your opinion, in all seriousness? I think offensively he has regressed.
Last year in his first four games he scored 3 points total and finished the season averaging 5.0 ppg. That is a significant improvement. He went from not being able to make a layup to being able to make layups. That does not make him a good player, but he did improve throughout the year.
Quote from: T Diamond Smith34 on November 15, 2014, 07:05:53 AM
I thought he only took one bad shot (though I didn't see the first 8 minutes). Along with one bad pass.
Only 1 TO, 0 PF, and 6-9 from the floor. Extremely efficient.
We had 7 turnovers and two of them involved passes to Burton. The one, which I think you are referring to was a long pass to Burton anticipating him continuing to the basket and the other one was a pass from Cohen anticipating Burton moving to the basket. In both cases Burton stopped and the passes went awry. It was liking watching Rodgers throw an incompletion, because the receiver did not do what was expected.
Quote from: Wojo'sMojo on November 16, 2014, 07:23:49 AM
Michael Jordan and Scottie Pippen are both 32% career 3 point shooters. It didn't seem to hamper the Bulls, who put together some of the best teams ever.
The Bulls were a different animal. Steve Kerr and John Paxson were called point guards when they played with Jordan/Pippen but they were no such things. While Pippen (point forward) and Jordan dominated the ball, they played off the ball and shot jump shots.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on November 16, 2014, 01:57:39 AM
Michael Jordan's ability to drive didn't keep him from being a SG. But JJJ's inability to hit a three at decent clip kept him from being a shooting guard.
Fans look at players in terms of what position do they play. Coaches look at players based on what role can they play. For example, Lebron didn't play the point guard position for Miami, but he often played the role of point guard. Mayo and JJJ played the exact same role last season. They were slashing guards. As a general rule, you don't play two slashing guards together when your best player is an immobile post and your PG doesn't need a defender on the perimeter. That paint would have gotten more stuffed than a thanksgiving turkey. So yes, Jake and JJJ were both 2s, but they played completely different roles.
Mayo barely hit threes at a .300 clip. JJJ was sub .300. To call either a shooter would have been a fallacy. Slashers are most effective when paired with a shooter. Jake the Snake fit this role perfectly. Our most effective lineup last season was when Mayo and Jake were on the court at the same time. JJJ could have theoretically replicated what Mayo brought, but there was no way he was going to replicate Jake's shooting.
Now, if yesterday's performance is indicative of how he will shoot now that that the awkward hitch is out of his form, than maybe this season's JJJ would have been able to fill the role of both slasher and shooter. I think so and I hope so.
I assume that you are kidding. A"perfect" shooting guard is a guy that shoots 36% and averages 7+ pts. a game?
Quote from: Lennys Tap on November 16, 2014, 10:02:36 AM
The Bulls were a different animal. Steve Kerr and John Paxson were called point guards when they played with Jordan/Pippen but they were no such things. While Pippen (point forward) and Jordan dominated the ball, they played off the ball and shot jump shots.
The NBA is a different animal. As far as positions go, you are what you can guard.