Mark Miller @WisBBYearbook 1m
Sun Prairie and Playground Elite guard Nick Noskowiak has committed to Marquette.
Im honestly not excited about this. We need bigs!
Yippeee!!! How about the buddy he really wants to play with now?
Quote from: ThatDude on May 01, 2014, 06:50:42 PM
Im honestly not excited about this. We need bigs!
And you are honestly lost.
Welcome, Nick. Glad to have you part of the MU family.
Excellent!!!
Nick Noskowiak @NickNoskowiak 1m
It is a Done Deal, no person I trust more on this earth than my future head coach !! We are in GREAT hands Marquette fans !!
He's two years out as of now. Super excited about this news!
Welcome (back), Nick!
Now go tell Matt Ryan we want him!!!
I think it's hilarious that he said "done deal." Well played.
Great news!
Never lost hope on Nick recommitting. He's obviously a fairly smart young man if he reopened his recruitment so he could get to know Wojo and the new staff more before deciding.
Quote from: ThatDude on May 01, 2014, 06:50:42 PM
Im honestly not excited about this. We need bigs!
You are aware we have additional scholarships to offer, aren't you? Landing Noskowiak will be helpful on MU's pursuit of Henry Ellenson.
Quote from: ThatDude on May 01, 2014, 06:50:42 PM
Im honestly not excited about this. We need bigs!
Just silly. No its worse than that.
Nick Noskowiak @NickNoskowiak 14m
I just committed to the University of Marquette! I can't wait to be playing for coach Wojo in 2 years!!
4:41 PM - 1 May 2014
Any way you say it... It still sounds good to me!
Great news. Welcome Nick!
just curious,how will this help with Ellenson? Good friends?
Quote from: 6kings on May 01, 2014, 06:59:22 PM
just curious,how will this help with Ellenson? Good friends?
They play on the same AAU team and work very well together.
He is a top 50 recruit. Love this!
Edit - 4 star - Ranked #53 by Scout
MU nation sings
The prodigal son returns
In the Nick of time
Excellent news! This is a huge get since we're losing 3 guards after this year.
Welcome back to the MU family, Nick! You will love it here.
This is HUGE for our new Coach. He's proving he can recruit to Marquette!
Welcome to the family Nick.
Quote from: ThatDude on May 01, 2014, 06:50:42 PM
Im honestly not excited about this. We need bigs!
The players we lose next year are 6'1", 6'2", 6'3", and 6'6". There are also two spots open for this year or next. We don't need to fill those spots with six bigs. We do need to fill them with talent - this is talent.
Awesome!
Noskowiak opens the flood gates...awesome news!
Quote from: chapman on May 01, 2014, 07:09:10 PM
The players we lose next year are 6'1", 6'2", 6'3", and 6'6". There are also two spots open for this year or next. We don't need to fill those spots with six bigs. We do need to fill them with talent - this is talent.
Agree completely. This is a great get. I'm confident Wojo is going after quality bigs.
Here's to hoping he lands some size but this is a great start to laying the foundation for what Wojo wants to do here.
Awesome!
Great to have you, Nick!
Quote from: Sharpie on May 01, 2014, 06:53:57 PM
I think it's hilarious that he said "done deal." Well played.
Well played, indeed. ;D
Since he's friends with Heldt, Ellenson and Pritzl I have a good feeling of at least one of those playground warriors joining him. Think 2015 is going to be mostly Wisconsin guys, and I'm totally cool with that.
Much more fun to read a thread like this than say, one about some guy's house.
Anyway, welcome (back) Nick! ;D ;D
Quote from: Heavy Gear on May 01, 2014, 06:56:38 PM
You are aware we have additional scholarships to offer, aren't you? Landing Noskowiak will be helpful on MU's pursuit of Henry Ellenson.
Im not gonna say what I want to say because I will get ran off of muscoop. I'll just stfu and read comments lol
Great news! Welcome to MU Nick. Great to see Wojo get this commitment as Buzz offered at VaTech, and Groce at Illinois, along with Izzo and MSU recently getting involved. Plus the "Done Deal" tweet was very well played...he's a playmaker already!
Quote from: Ners on May 01, 2014, 07:28:04 PM
Great news! Welcome to MU Nick. Great to see Wojo get this commitment as Buzz offered at VaTech, and Groce at Illinois, along with Izzo and MSU recently getting involved. Plus the "Done Deal" tweet was very well played...he's a playmaker already!
UNLV also just recently offered.
Hooray! Can't wait to watch you play for Marquette! Welcome Nick!
First domino from 2015 WI class falls to us.
Next Stone, Ellenson, and Heldt.
That class would be right up there if not ahead of O'Neill's 1990 coup of McIllvaine, Key, and Logterman (Brakes transferred not counting him).
Great going Coach Woj and staff!
If the kid knows #donedeal and used it purposefully I really like his wit and sense of humor.
Quote from: ThatDude on May 01, 2014, 06:50:42 PM
Im honestly not excited about this. We need bigs!
Get the best players you can, period. Nick qualifies. Good get Wojo!!!
Awesome news! Allows Wojo to use his time on other players and pitch that they can play with a solid point going forward... and it allows Noskowiak to recruit for us.
Any other players with polish names we can add?
Quote from: ThatDude on May 01, 2014, 07:23:03 PM
Im not gonna say what I want to say because I will get ran off of muscoop. I'll just stfu and read comments lol
When you have a Top 50 guy in your state who loves your school and wants to play there, you are crazy if you don't offer him. Not just because you're letting a great player go but because you're burning bridges in the state.
Quote from: VegasWarrior77 on May 01, 2014, 06:58:24 PM
Nick Noskowiak @NickNoskowiak 14m
I just committed to the University of Marquette! I can't wait to be playing for coach Wojo in 2 years!!
4:41 PM - 1 May 2014
Any way you say it... It still sounds good to me!
Maybe the University of Marquette can get a game at Wrigley Stadium!
Hey, I kid because I love.
Obviously, I'm very happy about the signing. I'm also happy about the entire process. Hopefully, next time a kid re-opens his recruiting, we don't think the worst. The kid did every single thing the right way, and so did Wojo!
Those of you bashing this need help. This is a big get. Welcome home, Nick.
Nick (K)Nos where he belongs
Welcome Nick!
I am starting to turn the corner on my feelings about Wojo.
I am pleased that Coach Wojo was able to establish an adequate level of comfort with another one of Buzz's recruits from Wisconsin. This is a quality re-commit. And I hope it is only the start of great things.
Yeah Nick!!! Welcome back!
Mark Miller is all over recruiting news around the state. Can the Journal hire him to cover MU? If I had a Twitter account, he'd be the first person I'd set myself to follow.
Quote from: ThatDude on May 01, 2014, 07:23:03 PM
Im not gonna say what I want to say because I will get ran off of muscoop. I'll just stfu and read comments lol
Yeah, don't be That Dude.
Welcome back, Nick!
Matt Ryan @Matt_Ryan32 28m
HUGE shoutout to my brotha @NickNoskowiak !!! Just committed to Marquette University to ball in a couple of years
What was the story of UW's interest (or maybe lack of) in him- were Bo and staff on him? That seems the elephant in the room, he's right in their backyard, but really never heard about them during the process.
There has been the usual Badger blather about high school issues and whether or not he is really any good. Or if they want to spend one of their rare scholarships on him, as they don't have that many going forward.
Quote from: MU82 on May 01, 2014, 07:55:06 PM
Maybe the University of Marquette can get a game at Wrigley Stadium!
Duane Wilson said the same thing as he put on his MU hat at the presser to announce his commitment. Won't be the last time, hopefully they have it straight once they're on campus.
Yessssssss! :o
Quote from: tower912 on May 01, 2014, 08:32:42 PM
There has been the usual Badger blather about high school issues and whether or not he is really any good. Or if they want to spend one of their rare scholarships on him, as they don't have that many going forward.
I'll have to check out the Kohl Center board- consensus will probably be what a dirtball and stiff he is I'll bet. Amazing how you go 47 years without sniffing the NCAA's, only NCAA title was when it was only arguably the most important post-season tournament, score 32 points in an NCAA game in the modern era, etc. etc., and now their you know what doesn't stink.
http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=193&f=2565&t=12852910
Wiscy's take.
http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=193&f=2565&t=12790987
Or this one.
Not surprisingly, they are a little full of themselves right now.
Quote from: tower912 on May 01, 2014, 08:41:00 PM
http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=193&f=2565&t=12852910
Wiscy's take.
http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=193&f=2565&t=12790987
Or this one.
Not surprisingly, they are a little full of themselves right now.
Typical Vadger blather.
A mid-major to D2 player.
Comparable to Zak Showalter.
Overrated
Just not a Big 10 guy.
Don't get the top 100 hype.
I guess for Badger fans, when you've had the pleasure of watching guys like Tim Jarmusz, Jason Bohannon, and Gasser (who truly is overrated), guys like Noskowiak are just going to naturally pale in comparison.
Quote from: ThatDude on May 01, 2014, 06:50:42 PM
Im honestly not excited about this. We need bigs!
Are you kidding? Shut up.
Glad the young man did it the right way and respected the process.
Quote from: LloydMooresLegs on May 01, 2014, 09:46:34 PM
Glad the young man did it the right way and respected the process.
+1000
Awesome news. The use of the DONE DEAL was fantastically done. (It also probably proves that recruits do read MUscoop)
I think this could be the first domino in a chain of several cheeseheads committing in 2015. Bring me Stone, Ellenson, and Heldt!
Thanks Nick! Fantastic news and welcome. Laugh at the fact that because you aren't 6'10" that there is a group on this board that will be disappointed. The other 95% are elated.
They drink the kool aid over there. I wrote something about Nick recommitting to MU and this kid I know started ripping on him also. Its like they think theyre Kansas or Kentucky and top 50 recruits are too good for them.
Update: Its up to two guys now ripping on my Noskowiak post. Eff them all.
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on May 01, 2014, 09:06:56 PM
A mid-major to D2 player.
Comparable to Zak Showalter.
Overrated
Just not a Big 10 guy.
Don't get the top 100 hype.
I guess for Badger fans, when you've had the pleasure of watching guys like Tim Jarmusz, Jason Bohannon, and Gasser (who truly is overrated), guys like Noskowiak are just going to naturally pale in comparison.
I'm a fan of both MU and UW, and I'm not defending what they're saying about NN, but Gasser (and Bohannon if included) is far from overrated. Do you watch college bball? It's not like he/they are All-Americans. Either way, the future is looking even brighter for MU with NN on board! Go MU!
Quote from: WarhawkWarrior on May 01, 2014, 10:23:59 PM
Thanks Nick! Fantastic news and welcome. Laugh at the fact that because you aren't 6'10" that there is a group on this board that will be disappointed. The other 95% are elated.
And the group goes by the name
ThatDude.
Is anyone interested that he seemed even more positive about this than his original commitment? I think Wojo knows what's up.
Quote from: Heavy Gear on May 01, 2014, 10:43:54 PM
And the group goes by the name ThatDude.
And 95% of you didn't care that he de-committed ..stop fronting
Quote from: ThatDude on May 01, 2014, 11:15:24 PM
And 95% of you didn't care that he de-committed ..stop fronting
Frankly speaking, ThatDude has a point.
When a kid signs there is a thundering herd of welcomes. When that same kid decommits there is a herd of bashing.
........but does he get the Patrick Reed Stamp of Approval??.........
Quote from: oneposteagle on May 01, 2014, 11:21:52 PM
........but does he get the Patrick Reed Stamp of Approval??.........
A man driving a Chevy can dream of steering a Porsch...
Quote from: keefe on May 01, 2014, 11:18:35 PM
Frankly speaking, ThatDude has a point.
When a kid signs there is a thundering herd of welcomes. When that same kid decommits there is a herd of bashing.
+1000
Quote from: keefe on May 01, 2014, 11:18:35 PM
Frankly speaking, ThatDude has a point.
When a kid signs there is a thundering herd of welcomes. When that same kid decommits there is a herd of bashing.
Some truth to this. But from what I saw, most people were not pleased about the decommit. They were hopeful that Wojo would real him back in. There definitely was a contingent of people who started to bash him. But I would label them as the loud minority.
It is the trend on Scoop (and life really). When bad news comes up, it is easy for the naysayers to come out and yell their opinions, even if they are the minority. It's hard to be openly positive in those times.
Great re-get. Next year will be a transitional year for Wojo and the team as he inputs his system and style until he gets players that fit his system. Wojo understands the importance of recruiting his own backyard as a backbone to success. NN is a great get for the future and could draw more in state talent to MU. A highly rated big would be huge to open up that pipeline for others to follow and I think it will happen sooner than later with Wojo on the job.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on May 01, 2014, 10:12:05 PM
Awesome news. The use of the DONE DEAL was fantastically done. (It also probably proves that recruits do read MUscoop)
I think this could be the first domino in a chain of several cheeseheads committing in 2015. Bring me Stone, Ellenson, and Heldt!
Done Deal was also very big on Twitter, just saying ;D
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on May 01, 2014, 11:28:51 PM
When bad news comes up, it is easy for the naysayers to come out and yell their opinions, even if they are the minority. It's hard to be openly positive in those times.
Thank God there are those made of sterner stuff!
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The "University of Marquette".... ?-(
Ah, really? Where's that at?
Is it anywhere near Marquette University in Milwaukee?
Not very bright am I? LOL.
Just asking... :)
Seriously though, there are many young recruits who have made such a mistake if you can call it such.
I am encouraged by his genuine excitement of making what seems like his life changing announcement.
Good guards is the name of the game in the college game and in also in hoops in general so it is great to see MU is getting quality guys of this character in our own backyard.
I see he can shoot...that is always good to see and has some size and wiggle.
Lets welcome Nick to the University decision . . . of a Lifetime here at MU!
As I said in another thread, Noskowiak is well worth it. He has everything you would want in a point guard besides elite athleticism. He can shoot and has great court vision. He will be able to score at the next level, something we haven't seen from the PG spot the last few years. I think Bo realized early on that Noskowiak preferred Marquette so he didn't want to waste his time.
Quote from: ThatDude on May 01, 2014, 06:50:42 PM
Im honestly not excited about this. We need bigs!
Of course, because as 2013-2014 proved, you don't need a point guard, if you have enough bigs.
Quote from: 77ncaachamps on May 01, 2014, 06:52:30 PM
He's two years out as of now. Super excited about this news!
Welcome (back), Nick!
Actually, it will be just a little more than a year, as I suspect that he will be on campus in the summer of 2015 to get started.
Quote from: LittleMurs on May 02, 2014, 05:57:58 AM
Actually, it will be just a little more than a year, as I suspect that he will be on campus in the summer of 2015 to get started.
An idle thought. Since NN has committed, if he is academically able to do it, could he come to MU's campus this summer, take a class or two, work out on campus, and still be eligible in the fall for high school?
Quote from: tower912 on May 01, 2014, 08:32:42 PM
There has been the usual Badger blather about high school issues and whether or not he is really any good. Or if they want to spend one of their rare scholarships on him, as they don't have that many going forward.
I found something in one comment that I think says a lot about why Nick would have a difficult time in Bo's system.
"I do think Noskowiak fits MSU in that
he always wants to play fast."
Great re-get by Wojo. Between Duane's recruiting and getting NN's recommit, hopefully the dominoes start falling MU's way.
Welcome back to the Warrior clan Nick!!!!
Personally, I think Duane Wilson was a key factor in getting Nick back to MU, from what i noticed at the tourney a couple weeks ago. Duane was giving Nick lots of encouragement during Elites game. Great job DW!!!
Quote from: Sharpie on May 01, 2014, 06:53:57 PM
I think it's hilarious that he said "done deal." Well played.
For that alone I want this kid. Welcome Nick!
I really do not know, but my take is that Nick never had any interest in UW, so Bo therefore would not waste his time trying to recruit him. This is a huge get for Wojo and an early commitment is a seed to a big recruting class. However, I would be very surprised if the class included Stone.
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on May 01, 2014, 09:06:56 PM
Don't get the top 100 hype.
To be honest, there have been other places where I have seen this besides Badger boards. He's very smart and can shoot, but there is some concern about whether or not he can defend at the high D1 level.
But I am very glad that he recommitted.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on May 01, 2014, 10:12:05 PM
Awesome news. The use of the DONE DEAL was fantastically done. (It also probably proves that recruits do read MUscoop)
I think this could be the first domino in a chain of several cheeseheads committing in 2015. Bring me Stone, Ellenson, and Heldt!
Really hope so. Also looks like he is really recruiting Matt Ryan on his first day back on the MU beat. Love how the kids are recruiting for Wojo as well. Have to think that this helps on the Ellenson front a bit with his PG joining the ranks.
Great work by Wojo (and Duane) to bring him back into the fold. I think we are set at PG for the next few years at least. But we definitely need to add a quality big man in the 2015 class.
Someone needs to update the scholarship table:
Right now I see that we have 11 scholarships used for 2014-15.
And after Nick's recommit, 8 used for 2015-16 assuming no one else is added for 2014-15.
Wojo really has a lot of options here.
Quote from: Sharpie on May 01, 2014, 06:53:57 PM
I think it's hilarious that he said "done deal." Well played.
x2
I know its a looong way down the road but does anyone think after Duane graduates/finishes his pro career he could come back to MU to be a stud recruiter?
Quote from: The Sultan of Slurpery on May 02, 2014, 08:36:45 AM
Someone needs to update the scholarship table:
Right now I see that we have 11 scholarships used for 2014-15.
And after Nick's recommit, 8 used for 2015-16 assuming no one else is added for 2014-15.
Wojo really has a lot of options here.
Seriously. I think this is why we are seeing such a 2015 push by Wojo right now. Outside of the Houston two, there isn't a ton of quality frontcourt players to pick up this late in the game. A big push for Stone, Ellenson, Ryan, et al. is where the difference making will happen. Lotta open schollies. Keep up the good work, Wojo.
Quote from: The Sultan of Slurpery on May 02, 2014, 08:21:10 AM
To be honest, there have been other places where I have seen this besides Badger boards. He's very smart and can shoot, but there is some concern about whether or not he can defend at the high D1 level.
But I am very glad that he recommitted.
Have seen him play and do not think he will have a problem defending. He is more than athletic enough. Defense often comes down to just wanting to do it.
Quote from: frozena pizza on May 02, 2014, 08:22:20 AM
Great work by Wojo (and Duane) to bring him back into the fold. I think we are set at PG for the next few years at least. But we definitely need to add a quality big man in the 2015 class.
Given everything I've read about Duane's recruiting efforts with numerous players, if he doesn't go on to have a pro career he'd be a great assistant coach down the line!
OK, OK, let's let the kid be a big-time player for us first!!!
Here is a link to a WI State Journal article on NN recommit: http://host.madison.com/sports/prep-boys-basketball-sun-prairie-s-nick-noskowiak-back-with/article_7a15706e-d194-11e3-9fc6-0019bb2963f4.html
Quote from: MU82 on May 02, 2014, 09:28:14 AM
Given everything I've read about Duane's recruiting efforts with numerous players, if he doesn't go on to have a pro career he'd be a great assistant coach down the line!
OK, OK, let's let the kid be a big-time player for us first!!!
That thought has occurred to me too. I have a feeling we're going to love this kid...and for a lot more than his skills and athletic ability. Seems like he has the potential to be a real leader on and off the court.
Quote from: ThatDude on May 01, 2014, 11:15:24 PM
And 95% of you didn't care that he de-committed ..stop fronting
When he de-committed he didn't reject Marquette, I believe he even said MU was still his top choice and that he wanted to see what his options were since he didn't know Wojo. What's wrong with that? And as far as not liking this because he's not a big, if this past season taught us anything it's that you can't have enough guards.
Polish kid commits to Polish coach...never a doubt.
Quote from: GooooMarquette on May 02, 2014, 09:45:53 AM
That thought has occurred to me too. I have a feeling we're going to love this kid...and for a lot more than his skills and athletic ability. Seems like he has the potential to be a real leader on and off the court.
Definitely agree...and also think Deonte Burton will be a great rep from Marquette. As I recall when Buzz left, Burton and Duane were the first two kids to re-affirm their commitment to Marquette...as a school/university...even before new coach was hired. Milwaukee kids who want to do great things in Milwaukee and be example for others in the city.
Can't wait for next season to kick off....think it will be a really good season...Mayo and Burton will be stars...and our PG position will be vastly upgraded...those few things alone will help offset the loss of Jamil and Davante.
Quote from: Ners on May 02, 2014, 09:55:36 AM
Definitely agree...and also think Deonte Burton will be a great rep from Marquette. As I recall when Buzz left, Burton and Duane were the first two kids to re-affirm their commitment to Marquette...as a school/university...even before new coach was hired. Milwaukee kids who want to do great things in Milwaukee and be example for others in the city.
Can't wait for next season to kick off....think it will be a really good season...Mayo and Burton will be stars...and our PG position will be vastly upgraded...those few things alone will help offset the loss of Jamil and Davante.
The three I have been impressed with are Duane, Dawson and Burton. In the interviews post Wojo it was nice to hear them talk about how they committed to Marquette, not a coach. It's hard not to really like the young guys on this roster. Sounds like Nick is going to be another one of those guys that we will really enjoy when he gets here.
Quote from: LittleMurs on May 02, 2014, 05:55:35 AM
Of course, because as 2013-2014 proved, you don't need a point guard, if you have enough bigs.
Ha
+1000
Quote from: keefe on May 02, 2014, 12:57:25 AM
Thank God there are those made of sterner stuff!
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This was an excellent post.
Quote from: ThatDude on May 01, 2014, 06:50:42 PM
Im honestly not excited about this. We need bigs!
Annnnd ignored. This was really the second post after our new coach lands a top 60 recruit. Sad.
Alright, alright, alright!!
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Quote from: Ners on May 02, 2014, 09:55:36 AM
Definitely agree...and also think Deonte Burton will be a great rep from Marquette. As I recall when Buzz left, Burton and Duane were the first two kids to re-affirm their commitment to Marquette...as a school/university...even before new coach was hired. Milwaukee kids who want to do great things in Milwaukee and be example for others in the city.
Can't wait for next season to kick off....think it will be a really good season...Mayo and Burton will be stars...and our PG position will be vastly upgraded...those few things alone will help offset the loss of Jamil and Davante.
I kind of feel like we lost Jamil when we lost Vander. Last year, he really wasn't nearly the player he was as a junior.
Quote from: LittleMurs on May 02, 2014, 11:22:36 AM
I kind of feel like we lost Jamil when we lost Vander. Last year, he really wasn't nearly the player he was as a junior.
Haha. Yeah. I mean it isn't like he scored more points, grabbed more boards, dished out more assists than the previous season. Oh wait. He did all those things.
Quote from: keefe on May 01, 2014, 11:22:47 PM
A man driving a Chevy can dream of steering a Porsch...
...or living in a 13000 sf Mc Mansion.
Quote from: The Sultan of Slurpery on May 02, 2014, 08:21:10 AM
To be honest, there have been other places where I have seen this besides Badger boards. He's very smart and can shoot, but there is some concern about whether or not he can defend at the high D1 level.
But I am very glad that he recommitted.
What better mentor to learn how to play defense than coach Wojo; not too concerned.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on May 02, 2014, 01:34:40 PM
What better mentor to learn how to play defense than coach Wojo; not too concerned.
Oh I agree, but that criticism of his game isn't limited to Badger boards.
Quote from: The Sultan of Slurpery on May 02, 2014, 01:36:12 PM
Oh I agree, but that criticism of his game isn't limited to Badger boards.
So youre saying Derrick should stay an extra yea to be a game changer on defense?
Quote from: keefe on May 01, 2014, 11:22:47 PM
A man driving a Chevy can dream of steering a Porsch...
Have you seen the new vette? I'd take that Chevy over a Porsche any day.
Quote from: buckchuckler on May 02, 2014, 12:41:08 PM
Haha. Yeah. I mean it isn't like he scored more points, grabbed more boards, dished out more assists than the previous season. Oh wait. He did all those things.
I'm glad Jamil was able to live up to your expectations last season. That makes one of you.
Quote from: MU82 on May 02, 2014, 02:53:44 PM
I'm glad Jamil was able to live up to your expectations last season. That makes one of you.
The statement was he wasn't nearly the player he was the year before. That is just statistically untrue.
And I'm sorry Jamil let you down. So sad for you. Frown.
Quote from: VegasWarrior77 on May 01, 2014, 06:58:24 PM
Nick Noskowiak @NickNoskowiak 14m
I just committed to the University of Marquette! I can't wait to be playing for coach Wojo in 2 years!!
4:41 PM - 1 May 2014
Any way you say it... It still sounds good to me!
Small college in Northern Michigan?
Quote from: Marqevans on May 02, 2014, 03:08:15 PM
Small college in Northern Michigan?
That school is going to be pretty good with Nick and Duane both attending.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on May 02, 2014, 03:21:48 PM
That school is going to be pretty good with Nick and Duane both attending.
I heard they weren't recruiting enough bigs.
Quote from: buckchuckler on May 02, 2014, 03:01:12 PM
The statement was he wasn't nearly the player he was the year before. That is just statistically untrue.
And I'm sorry Jamil let you down. So sad for you. Frown.
The game is more than numbers, Chuckler. I like Jamil, but fact is he disappeared last year when he was most needed and with VB here, that likely would not have happened.
Quote from: Richie on May 02, 2014, 03:43:05 PM
The game is more than numbers, Chuckler. I like Jamil, but fact is he disappeared last year when he was most needed and with VB here, that likely would not have happened.
Probably not, because it would have been Vander in the spotlight, no one would have been looking at Jamil.
Quote from: Marqevans on May 02, 2014, 03:08:15 PM
Small college in Northern Michigan?
Northern Michigan University alums also get pissed when you call it the University of Northern Michigan
This is great stuff and a good sign that Wojo can get it done.
Sucks he couldn't keep Hill and company but that was understandable in such a short time frame.
Great that he has kept the in state kids so far
Quote from: Richie on May 02, 2014, 03:43:05 PM
The game is more than numbers, Chuckler. I like Jamil, but fact is he disappeared last year when he was most needed and with VB here, that likely would not have happened.
Couple points - As posted, Jamil improved in Points, Assists, Rebounds over his junior season...but really, what do you want from the guy when he was consistently rolled out with this lineup:
Derrick, Jake, Juan, Chris
You are an opposing coach - who are you trying to take away? Jamil having to play with the worst starting and max minute backcourt in the last 15 years of MU basketball resulted in Jamil not taking the huge step up many thought...
Hell he went to Portsmouth tourney and scored 18...named to tourney team, with Gardner being named MVP. So ironic they were able to play at a high level when playing with a capable backcourt.
Jamil as a junior was missing in action just like this year until March. He played hard in NCAA tournament games, but was not motivated in the regualr season games. Same thing as a sophomore.
Quote from: bilsu on May 02, 2014, 06:35:31 PM
Jamil as a junior was missing in action just like this year until March. He played hard in NCAA tournament games, but was not motivated in the regualr season games. Same thing as a sophomore.
That was the rap on him in HS too. The guy can be a real talent when he gets his head in the game.
Quote from: bilsu on May 02, 2014, 06:35:31 PM
Jamil as a junior was missing in action just like this year until March. He played hard in NCAA tournament games, but was not motivated in the regualr season games. Same thing as a sophomore.
I don't buy that assessment at all of Jamil. Never saw him dogging it. Say what you want about Buzz, but he demanded effort and passion from his players. Jamil is a finesse player, nothing more than that.
I think Jamil needed to find his "onions" as Raftery likes to say. Case in point- end of double OT against St. John's, senior day, MU down a point, ball is in Jamil's hands with under 10 seconds and he passes to Derrick Wilson for another clank off the rim. No way should he have given up that ball in that situation.
Quote from: Ners on May 02, 2014, 06:07:06 PM
Couple points - As posted, Jamil improved in Points, Assists, Rebounds over his junior season...but really, what do you want from the guy when he was consistently rolled out with this lineup:
Derrick, Jake, Juan, Chris
You are an opposing coach - who are you trying to take away?
+1, exactly
Quote from: buckchuckler on May 02, 2014, 12:41:08 PM
Haha. Yeah. I mean it isn't like he scored more points, grabbed more boards, dished out more assists than the previous season. Oh wait. He did all those things.
Don't forget that he almost lead MU to it's first losing season in 15 years. Who can forget four straight losses to end the season? But, wow, in four more minutes a game, he scored 2 more points, got one more rebound, and almost one more assist. What else went up? Turnovers and personal fouls. But, not everything went up. Especially not offensive efficiency. How can it when you have more turnovers, and you hit the trifecta with a drop in FG%, 3pt FG%, and FT%.
Sorry if I rained on your fond memories of Marquette's glorious season past with all those stirring last minute heroics from Jamil to pull out close games.
Quote from: buckchuckler on May 02, 2014, 03:54:31 PM
Probably not, because it would have been Vander in the spotlight, no one would have been looking at Jamil.
Yeah, I guess that's why Jamil disappeared at the end of the Davidson game.
Quote from: bilsu on May 02, 2014, 06:35:31 PM
Jamil as a junior was missing in action just like this year until March. He played hard in NCAA tournament games, but was not motivated in the regualr season games. Same thing as a sophomore.
I think that is a completely wrong answer. I don't think Jamil dogged it one bit. Jamil has never been the player we expected him to be....peaked in high school.
Quote from: Ners on May 02, 2014, 06:07:06 PM
Couple points - As posted, Jamil improved in Points, Assists, Rebounds over his junior season...but really, what do you want from the guy when he was consistently rolled out with this lineup:
Derrick, Jake, Juan, Chris
You are an opposing coach - who are you trying to take away? Jamil having to play with the worst starting and max minute backcourt in the last 15 years of MU basketball resulted in Jamil not taking the huge step up many thought...
Hell he went to Portsmouth tourney and scored 18...named to tourney team, with Gardner being named MVP. So ironic they were able to play at a high level when playing with a capable backcourt.
So - getting back to the original point - it seems you're saying that Jamil
was affected by the loss of Vander.
Quote from: LittleMurs on May 02, 2014, 08:26:18 PM
Yeah, I guess that's why Jamil disappeared at the end of the Davidson game.
OK dude, so what's your point? He is better when playing with better players? Thanks for breaking that ground.
He posted career bests in points, boards and assists. To say he wasn't nearly the player is idiotic. He was better. Would he have performed better with Vander on the team? Probably, he wouldn't have been the focus for the defense. Every single player on the team would have been better with Vander to draw the defense, create opportunities and score buckets.
Scoop stats says Jamil was SOG 2 times this season. One less than last season
Jamil isn't comfortable being "the guy" is what we learned this past season. I think everyone expected JW to step into that Lazar/JB/Jae role and it just didn't happen. Buzz could have helped by playing the young kids more over Jake and Derrick but Jamil doesn't seem to flip the switch on every time. All that said, I think Jamil could make an NBA roster because he has the NBA body and a good skillset. When JW is playing for a contract to play the game he loves for a living the switch will be turned on.
Quote from: savwa on May 02, 2014, 09:52:53 PM
Jamil isn't comfortable being "the guy" is what we learned this past season. I think everyone expected JW to step into that Lazar/JB/Jae role and it just didn't happen. Buzz could have helped by playing the young kids more over Jake and Derrick but Jamil doesn't seem to flip the switch on every time. All that said, I think Jamil could make an NBA roster because he has the NBA body and a good skillset. When JW is playing for a contract to play the game he loves for a living the switch will be turned on.
What "good skillset" does Jamil have?
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on May 02, 2014, 08:15:56 PM
I don't buy that assessment at all of Jamil. Never saw him dogging it. Say what you want about Buzz, but he demanded effort and passion from his players. Jamil is a finesse player, nothing more than that.
I think Jamil needed to find his "onions" as Raftery likes to say. Case in point- end of double OT against St. John's, senior day, MU down a point, ball is in Jamil's hands with under 10 seconds and he passes to Derrick Wilson for another clank off the rim. No way should he have given up that ball in that situation.
I don't think you understand what the term "onions" means in basketball/when Raftery uses it. When someone cuts an onion, or you smell raw onions up close, sometimes it causes your eyes to tear up. In basketball, a high arching shot that goes in is called a "teardrop." So when someone hits a high arching runner, Raftery calls it "onions!" because it is a "teardrop." It has nothing to do with attitude or toughness.
Quote from: wadesworld on May 02, 2014, 10:59:22 PM
I don't think you understand what the term "onions" means in basketball/when Raftery uses it. When someone cuts an onion, or you smell raw onions up close, sometimes it causes your eyes to tear up. In basketball, a high arching shot that goes in is called a "teardrop." So when someone hits a high arching runner, Raftery calls it "onions!" because it is a "teardrop." It has nothing to do with attitude or toughness.
I don't think you understand what the term "onions" means in basketball/when Raftery uses it.
http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/blog/the_dagger/post/Ian-Eagle-shares-the-origin-story-of-Bill-Rafter?urn=ncaab,133366
Quote from: wadesworld on May 02, 2014, 10:59:22 PM
I don't think you understand what the term "onions" means in basketball/when Raftery uses it. When someone cuts an onion, or you smell raw onions up close, sometimes it causes your eyes to tear up. In basketball, a high arching shot that goes in is called a "teardrop." So when someone hits a high arching runner, Raftery calls it "onions!" because it is a "teardrop." It has nothing to do with attitude or toughness.
I don't mind being told when I'm wrong when that person knows what they're talking about, which is clearly not the case with you. I understood it exactly how the Ian Eagle Yahoo link explained it and referenced it in the right context.
You're exactly right, Hutch!
Quote from: buckchuckler on May 02, 2014, 09:07:22 PM
OK dude, so what's your point? He is better when playing with better players? Thanks for breaking that ground.
He posted career bests in points, boards and assists. To say he wasn't nearly the player is idiotic. He was better. Would he have performed better with Vander on the team? Probably, he wouldn't have been the focus for the defense. Every single player on the team would have been better with Vander to draw the defense, create opportunities and score buckets.
Hey, if you want to schooled any further, you gonna have to pay tuition.
Quote from: wadesworld on May 02, 2014, 10:59:22 PM
I don't think you understand what the term "onions" means in basketball/when Raftery uses it. When someone cuts an onion, or you smell raw onions up close, sometimes it causes your eyes to tear up. In basketball, a high arching shot that goes in is called a "teardrop." So when someone hits a high arching runner, Raftery calls it "onions!" because it is a "teardrop." It has nothing to do with attitude or toughness.
It gotta tell you, I'd more than tear up if someone was cuttin' on me onions!
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on May 02, 2014, 11:25:01 PM
I don't mind being told when I'm wrong when that person knows what they're talking about, which is clearly not the case with you. I understood it exactly how the Ian Eagle Yahoo link explained it and referenced it in the right context.
Nothing to take personally HutchwasClutch - it's par for the course for wadesworld to be off point. Though I must say his definition of "onions" was some great deductive reasoning and quite entertaining to read.
Must have missed something, was it Jamil who got Noskowiak to recommit?
Quote from: LittleMurs on May 02, 2014, 08:29:15 PM
So - getting back to the original point - it seems you're saying that Jamil was affected by the loss of Vander.
Jamil...Davante...and the whole team were affected more by the loss of Junior Cadougan than Vander Blue. Yes, losing Blue hurt, yet Todd Mayo easily could have replaced Blue's stats if given 33 minutes a night. If Blue were playing alongside Derrick Wilson this past season, he wouldn't have been nearly the player he was as a Junior...perhaps part of that factored into his decision to leave early - that playing alongside a very challenged offensive PG as a senior wasn't going to make the game easier for him. Blue's driving lanes would have been shut off, as would his mid-range pull up in many cases with Derrick's defender generally always helping off of Derrick.
I just don't think some of you realize how incredibly inept our combined backcourt of Derrick and Jake being paired together was. One guy can't make a 3 pt shot, and the other guy, your shooting guard, can't make a 2 point. Bad combo and thats on Buzz for putting them both in that position.
Quote from: Ners on May 03, 2014, 08:35:27 AM
I just don't think some of you realize how incredibly inept our combined backcourt of Derrick and Jake being paired together was. One guy can't make a 3 pt shot, and the other guy, your shooting guard, can't make a 2 point. Bad combo and thats on Buzz for putting them both in that position.
Well now that you put it this way I understand now -- you are right -- please stop.
::)
I've seen a couple of references to Nick being a "Polish" kid, but it my little burg in MA is any guide, it's probably Slovak. That might not seem like a big difference, but it's akin to an Easterner confusing Wisconsin residents with the FIB's.
Quote from: mileskishnish72 on May 03, 2014, 10:07:18 AM
I've seen a couple of references to Nick being a "Polish" kid, but it my little burg in MA is any guide, it's probably Slovak. That might not seem like a big difference, but it's akin to an Easterner confusing Wisconsin residents with the FIB's.
"Japanese, Chinese...what's the difference? They all look alike..."
"All blacks look alike..."
"Indian, Arab? They all wear towels on their head..."
"Polish, Russian? It's all the same..."
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on May 02, 2014, 11:25:01 PM
I don't mind being told when I'm wrong when that person knows what they're talking about, which is clearly not the case with you. I understood it exactly how the Ian Eagle Yahoo link explained it and referenced it in the right context.
Haha my bad. I always thought he said it when a player made a teardrop and never looked up the meaning of it.
Quote from: Ners on May 03, 2014, 08:29:36 AM
Nothing to take personally HutchwasClutch - it's par for the course for wadesworld to be off point. Though I must say his definition of "onions" was some great deductive reasoning and quite entertaining to read.
Hilarious. I got a term used by a color commentator wrong that has nothing to do with a basketball skill. So the guy who thinks a player can only develop by getting playing time in games thinks he knows everything. That's awesome.
Quote from: Ners on May 03, 2014, 08:35:27 AM
Jamil...Davante...and the whole team were affected more by the loss of Junior Cadougan than Vander Blue. Yes, losing Blue hurt, yet Todd Mayo easily could have replaced Blue's stats if given 33 minutes a night. If Blue were playing alongside Derrick Wilson this past season, he wouldn't have been nearly the player he was as a Junior...perhaps part of that factored into his decision to leave early - that playing alongside a very challenged offensive PG as a senior wasn't going to make the game easier for him. Blue's driving lanes would have been shut off, as would his mid-range pull up in many cases with Derrick's defender generally always helping off of Derrick.
I just don't think some of you realize how incredibly inept our combined backcourt of Derrick and Jake being paired together was. One guy can't make a 3 pt shot, and the other guy, your shooting guard, can't make a 2 point. Bad combo and thats on Buzz for putting them both in that position.
Ners, I love that you have your opinions and try like hell to get people to buy in - and I'm 100% genuinely serious about that. I like discussing this and other topics. It's a pleasure debating and you very, very rarely get personal or start attacking - a pleasant change from other posters.
Having said that... you've totally jumped the shark with that comment.
Quote from: mileskishnish72 on May 03, 2014, 10:07:18 AM
I've seen a couple of references to Nick being a "Polish" kid, but it my little burg in MA is any guide, it's probably Slovak. That might not seem like a big difference, but it's akin to an Easterner confusing Wisconsin residents with the FIB's.
Yes. Having spent significant time living in both IL and WI, I can speak of the intense discomfort I've experienced when being thought of as a Cheese Head or a FIB. Oh, wait.....
Quote from: wadesworld on May 03, 2014, 01:15:10 PM
Haha my bad. I always thought he said it when a player made a teardrop and never looked up the meaning of it.
Hilarious. I got a term used by a color commentator wrong that has nothing to do with a basketball skill. So the guy who thinks a player can only develop by getting playing time in games thinks he knows everything. That's awesome.
Ahh no Wades....the debate was whether a guy gets better DURING the season in practice or in games...guys don't do much skill development in the season, and rarely is their 5-5 up and down play. A lot of shell work in the halfcourt and implementation of scouting report. For a freshman, it is invaluable for them to get game experience and play in game situations, that cannot be replicated in practice.
Guys improve the most during the entire offseason...NOT during practice in the season.
Jamil's statistical improvement is a perfect case of numbers being incredibly deceptive.
He had the talent to be the next star forward at Marquette but didn't come close. Was he too nice too often, as some claim? Maybe, I don't know him. Did he not have the personality to be a take-charge guy very often? Perhaps, I don't know him. Did he have any help from his backcourt? Precious little. Did he go into the tank or fail to hustle? No, that is not what anybody means by saying he disappeared for long stretches. It just means he often had 5 or 8 or 10-minute stretches during which he didn't even attempt a shot, didn't assert himself.
To me, Jamil was the biggest disappointment last season because he didn't take the next step, didn't become the leader, didn't come anywhere near meeting expectations or realizing his potential.
I don't need numbers because I saw every game, but for those who insist upon numbers, here's what Jamil did over the last 5 games -- when the Warriors were desperately trying to keep slim NCAA (and NIT) hopes alive:
41 points (8.2 ppg), 14-42 from the field (.333 FG pct), 8-13 from the foul line (.615 FT pct), 11 turnovers.
Again, he didn't have much help. We all know that. But here were Gardner's numbers over those last five games: 15.8 ppg on .556 from the field and .829 from the line. And Davante was even more dependent on others getting him the basketball.
Quote from: mileskishnish72 on May 03, 2014, 10:07:18 AM
I've seen a couple of references to Nick being a "Polish" kid, but it my little burg in MA is any guide, it's probably Slovak. That might not seem like a big difference, but it's akin to an Easterner confusing Wisconsin residents with the FIB's.
My mistake, and it does make a difference. In the ancestry website says possible origins as Lithuanian, Russian, Slovenian, Polish, but who knows. Shouldn't have assumed.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on May 04, 2014, 01:53:11 PM
My mistake, and it does make a difference. In the ancestry website says possible origins as Lithuanian, Russian, Slovenian, Polish, but who knows. Shouldn't have assumed.
The reality is that between the Mongols and the Cossacks everyone in Eastern Europe has common DNA
If one travels from Hungary through the steppes and Crimea, the Stans and into China you can see evidence that the Mongols came and conquered. Fascinating.
I'm of Slovenian ancestry. Our people are athletic freaks.
Quote from: Stone Cold on May 04, 2014, 03:36:31 PM
I'm of Slovenian ancestry. Our people are athletic freaks.
(http://www.everyculture.com/images/ctc_04_img0988.jpg)
White men cant jump
Chico's you are forgetting Riverdance
Quote from: keefe on May 04, 2014, 02:27:38 PM
The reality is that between the Mongols and the Cossacks everyone in Eastern Europe has common DNA
If one travels from Hungary through the steppes and Crimea, the Stans and into China you can see evidence that the Mongols came and conquered. Fascinating.
Keefe,
You'd appreciate this. My wife took me to me a Tatar village, where everyone is descended from the Mongols, who were invited by the Polish king a very long time ago to fight either Prussians or Russians. (I don't remember?) The villages are more tourist attractions now as the villages are of a very small population and it's very odd to see a town full of Asiatic looking people that are Muslim in the middle of Poland. Besides the multi-100 year old mosque, you visit the ancient cemetery where the names on tombstones read in an Arabic-Polish twist like "Ali Mucharski" or "Nasar Abdulski".