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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: WadeATKBurton on March 31, 2014, 12:17:31 PM
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For those of you who thinks Martin wont do this program any good. Has any of you thought about what the PROGRAM/SCHOOL can do for Martin? With the resources we have, the money we spend, great tradition as well. Martin will excel here at Marquette! Have we ever had a coach who played in the NBA? This guy WANTS to come here and you guys are being downright disrespectful to this man's credentials like hes not "worthy" enough to be our next coach. Ponder on that before you comment/reply
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For those of you who thinks Martin wont do this program any good. Has any of you thought about what the PROGRAM/SCHOOL can do for Martin? With the resources we have, the money we spend, great tradition as well. Martin will excel here at Marquette! Have we ever had a coach who played in the NBA? This guy WANTS to come here and you guys are being downright disrespectful to this man's credentials like hes not "worthy" enough to be our next coach. Ponder on that before you comment/reply
We have pondered Martin in several different threads already. Why do we need another one? Why does someone need to be @ MU to succeed? They should be able to succeed already. What is Martin going to do? Recruit players with his 3 game stint as a Buck? I'm sure that recruiting spiel would go a long way. That's probably the exact reason that he cannot consistently get solid talent. Take away Bruce Pearl's Seniors on the team and what do you have left? Can you answer that question?
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For those of you who thinks Martin wont do this program any good. Has any of you thought about what the PROGRAM/SCHOOL can do for Martin? With the resources we have, the money we spend, great tradition as well. Martin will excel here at Marquette! Have we ever had a coach who played in the NBA? This guy WANTS to come here and you guys are being downright disrespectful to this man's credentials like hes not "worthy" enough to be our next coach. Ponder on that before you comment/reply
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I don't think playing in the NBA has any bearing on NCAA coaching success. Coach K never played. Jim Boeheim and Rick Pitino didn't, either.
Clyde Drexler did but that didn't work out so well. Neither did Isiah Thomas.
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Got Al from Belmont Abbey, promoted Hank from assistant, promoted Rick from assistant, got Dukiet from St. Peter's, got Kevin O'Neill from Arizona as an assistant, got Mike Deane from Siena, got Crean as an assistant from MSU, promoted Buzz from assistant.
Yet poaching an SEC coach fresh off an S16 with high level college playing experience and a cup of coffee in the NBA is looked upon as a travesty by some. Some people's perspective is quite humorous.
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Well fellas let me tell you this then I'll be done with it: Like Barack is our PRESIDENT, CUONZO is our coach so we better respect the man!
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Done Deal?
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Not anti-Martin. Like many here, I just want the best guy for the job, whoever that may be.
But dude, give it a rest. Martin rumors pop up on the 26th, and so does your account. Whether you're truly a Cuonzo supporter or a jaded Vols fan, at least make it a conversation instead of just spouting inane volumes of gibberish and calling out anyone who has the right to question his candidacy.
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Done Deal?
However you wanna spin it bruh
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Well fellas let me tell you this then I'll be done with it: Like Barack is our PRESIDENT, CUONZO is our coach so we better respect the man!
This makes no sense whatsoever.
I'm not saying cuonzo Martin is a bad choice or a good choice for that matter. I think MU will make the right decision and put whoever is our next coach in a great spot to succeed given our resources and dedication to basketball.
But you are acting like the dude is john wooden. Relax and don't post until the acid wears off fella. (Not sure I can call you fella because you seem to be entering your teenage years)
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Not anti-Martin. Like many here, I just want the best guy for the job, whoever that may be.
But dude, give it a rest. Martin rumors pop up on the 26th, and so does your account. Whether you're truly a Cuonzo supporter or a jaded Vols fan, at least make it a conversation instead of just spouting inane volumes of gibberish and calling out anyone who has the right to question his candidacy.
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Been lurking since 08, but ok
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Well fellas let me tell you this then I'll be done with it: Like Barack is our PRESIDENT, CUONZO is our coach so we better respect the man!
Dude...we get it. You like Cuonzo (who knows, maybe you are Cuonzo). You've chimed in on countless threads endorsing the hire.
Give. It. A. Rest.
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Well fellas let me tell you this then I'll be done with it: Like Barack is our PRESIDENT, CUONZO is our coach so we better respect the man!
Wait - we have to respect someone simply because they're chosen for their position? Someone should have told that to the Buzz critics this past season...or the IU fans ripping on Crean...or the thousands of UT fans who tried to get Cuonzo fired.
Respect has to be earned...not decreed by the BOT.
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Wait - we have to respect someone simply because they're chosen for their position? Someone should have told that to the Buzz critics this past season...or the IU fans ripping on Crean...or the thousands of UT fans who tried to get Cuonzo fired.
Respect has to be earned...not decreed by the BOT.
I agree. But I think a base level of respect should be expected. I won't declare the new coach a savior, but I also won't assume he will fail. He starts in the middle and his accomplishments from that point on will determine his legacy at Marquette.
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atk13thst IS Cuonzo Martin.
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atk13thst IS Cuonzo Martin.
And if he says done deal well then.... he literally IS the source
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atk13thst IS Cuonzo Martin.
He clearly wants the job.
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My concern is his recruiting record. Maybe he could hire assistants that are top notch recruiters to make up for it. This certainly wouldn't feel like the "impact" hire many on here have promised.
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After all, building positive relationships on the Scoop is the primary ingredient for a coach to have success as MU.
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My concern is his recruiting record. Maybe he could hire assistants that are top notch recruiters to make up for it. This certainly wouldn't feel like the "impact" hire many on here have promised.
Cuonzo would still be an impact hire, just a negative impact rather than a positive one.
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May be the quickest timeline from creating an account to being ignored, for my ignore list at least.
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He clearly wants the job.
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Now that is funny. Well done!
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I agree. But I think a base level of respect should be expected. I won't declare the new coach a savior, but I also won't assume he will fail. He starts in the middle and his accomplishments from that point on will determine his legacy at Marquette.
I will still buy season tix, and still cheer for MU to win...under whomever is hired. I have never booed or hoped for failure by any MU player or active coach. If that's what you mean by "base level of respect," then I agree.
But to me, real repect is something that has to be earned...day in and day out.
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As I sit on a chair lift pondering MU...yes, sad, but it is a 2.5 mile ride which takes some time....I ask myself how excited I would be about hiring a guy that made zero NCAA bids his first five years and in his sixth he made it as a play in team and beat a team that was coached by someone who had his kid in surgery for cancer less than 15 hours before the game. Not sure how focused Fran was.
I want to believe, I'm just struggling with that many years why more success didn't happen.
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If atk13thst is Cuonzo Martin, then his writing skills and temperament are on par with his recruiting ability.
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For those of you who thinks Martin wont do this program any good. Has any of you thought about what the PROGRAM/SCHOOL can do for Martin? With the resources we have, the money we spend, great tradition as well. Martin will excel here at Marquette! Have we ever had a coach who played in the NBA? This guy WANTS to come here and you guys are being downright disrespectful to this man's credentials like hes not "worthy" enough to be our next coach. Ponder on that before you comment/reply
Umm that one guy Al McGuire? Remember the great story of him stopping Cousy by fouling him 5 times?
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However you wanna spin it bruh
Are you the agent, wife or someone else? March 24th registered and you certainly have a flavor flave.
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atk13thst IS Cuonzo Martin.
We will hire Martin, but his contract will be negated when his background check shows that he was posting furiously on Scoop.
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Probably reading too much of Keefe's writings, but anyone know if there is someone working around 13th St with the initials ATK. Maybe someone at the AL that's on whats left of the basketball staff who is trying his(her) best to convince us that Cuonzo Martin will be a good hire?
My two cents, hire Martin and we're basically saying that we are the Providence of the midwest, at best. Just a team trying to squeeze into the tourney every year until we finally move on from Martin in 3 or 4 long years.
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Probably reading too much of Keefe's writings, but anyone know if there is someone working around 13th St with the initials ATK. Maybe someone at the AL that's on whats left of the basketball staff who is trying his(her) best to convince us that Cuonzo Martin will be a good hire?
My two cents, hire Martin and we're basically saying that we are the Providence of the midwest, at best. Just a team trying to squeeze into the tourney every year until we finally move on from Martin in 3 or 4 long years.
Six years ago, we had a solid day or so before the Buzz hire was announced when all of a sudden the boards lit up with praises of our one year assistant coach.
I'm getting a real strong similar vibe here about Martin.
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Probably reading too much of Keefe's writings, but anyone know if there is someone working around 13th St with the initials ATK. Maybe someone at the AL that's on whats left of the basketball staff who is trying his(her) best to convince us that Cuonzo Martin will be a good hire?
My two cents, hire Martin and we're basically saying that we are the Providence of the midwest, at best. Just a team trying to squeeze into the tourney every year until we finally move on from Martin in 3 or 4 long years.
Only person I see listed in the directory is Allison Kellaher. Don't know her middle name. http://www.gomarquette.com/genrel/allison_kellaher_860954.html
Seems a little too "illuminati" for me to believe.
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Only person I see listed in the directory is Allison Kellaher. Don't know her middle name. http://www.gomarquette.com/genrel/allison_kellaher_860954.html
Seems a little too "illuminati" for me to believe.
13th Street in Knoxville (at K) ends in front of the American Mathematical Society on campus. Cuonzo must be checking his KenPom numbers in between posts. Mystery solved.
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Keep it coming...
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We will hire Martin, but his contract will be negated when his background check shows that he was posting furiously on Scoop.
Lol. .needed that
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We will hire Martin, but his contract will be negated when his background check shows that he was posting furiously on Scoop.
Have to get my rank up for the "this is my house!" people
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13th Street in Knoxville (at K) ends in front of the American Mathematical Society on campus. Cuonzo must be checking his KenPom numbers in between posts. Mystery solved.
Ok, so someone in Knoxville looking to pawn Cuonzo off on MU and take $1.3 or $2.6 million from us as an extra little bonus. Seems about right.
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Probably reading too much of Keefe's writings, but anyone know if there is someone working around 13th St with the initials ATK. Maybe someone at the AL that's on whats left of the basketball staff who is trying his(her) best to convince us that Cuonzo Martin will be a good hire?
My two cents, hire Martin and we're basically saying that we are the Providence of the midwest, at best. Just a team trying to squeeze into the tourney every year until we finally move on from Martin in 3 or 4 long years.
Cuz all black coaches are the same?
Could you give me the similarities between the two coaches?
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Ok, so someone in Knoxville looking to pawn Cuonzo off on MU and take $1.3 or $2.6 million from us as an extra little bonus. Seems about right.
Lol guy u created an account to tell me that. Get a life
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For those "questioning"
13TH & ATKINSON BORN AND RAISED BABY...moving right along>>>>>>>>
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For those "questioning"
13TH & ATKINSON BORN AND RAISED BABY...moving right along>>>>>>>>
That's only 3 blocks from Keefe. The secret is coming full circle and everything will be revealed!
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As I sit on a chair lift pondering MU...yes, sad, but it is a 2.5 mile ride which takes some time....I ask myself how excited I would be about hiring a guy that made zero NCAA bids his first five years and in his sixth he made it as a play in team and beat a team that was coached by someone who had his kid in surgery for cancer less than 15 hours before the game. Not sure how focused Fran was.
I want to believe, I'm just struggling with that many years why more success didn't happen.
No fun being a MU fan right now if we are only going to look at the negatives. Our top 3 choices are:
1.) Martin - who made 1 NCAA tournament and the Tennessee fan base wanted him fired.
2.) Howland - who was trending downward and was ousted at UCLA. Is difficult to work for or play for. Long list of players who opted off of Howland's teams over the years. If we think the transfer rates were high with Tanboy and Buzzcut, just wait if he gets hired.
3.) Wojo - well if the name WOJO doesn't illicit a gagging reflex, I don't know what does. He is a Duke assistant coach who frankly hasn't done anything except ride Coach K's coattails.
Is there anyway we can go back to Shaka and offer him double our last offer in the hope that he changes his mind????
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Six years ago, we had a solid day or so before the Buzz hire was announced when all of a sudden the boards lit up with praises of our one year assistant coach.
I'm getting a real strong similar vibe here about Martin.
I'm seeing the exact same thing. Except I see very little support anywhere for the Martin hiring. Scared that you may be right. Dodds is over on his board with words like "interesting" etc and suddenly in support. Color me concerned that this hire will be mike dean 2.0...
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That's only 3 blocks from Keefe. The secret is coming full circle and everything will be revealed!
Dang! You beat me to it.
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No fun being a MU fan right now if we are only going to look at the negatives. Our top 3 choices are:
1.) Martin - who made 1 NCAA tournament and the Tennessee fan base wanted him fired.
2.) Howland - who was trending downward and was ousted at UCLA. Is difficult to work for or play for. Long list of players who opted off of Howland's teams over the years. If we think the transfer rates were high with Tanboy and Buzzcut, just wait if he gets hired.
3.) Wojo - well if the name WOJO doesn't illicit a gagging reflex, I don't know what does. He is a Duke assistant coach who frankly hasn't done anything except ride Coach K's coattails.
Is there anyway we can go back to Shaka and offer him double our last offer in the hope that he changes his mind????
My thoughts are that Shaka bolts for the NBA when the right job comes along. His Career arc is quite similar to Brad Stephens......hmmm.
Speaking of the NBA.... is there anyone there that would be a good hire?
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For those of you who thinks Martin wont do this program any good. Has any of you thought about what the PROGRAM/SCHOOL can do for Martin? With the resources we have, the money we spend, great tradition as well. Martin will excel here at Marquette! Have we ever had a coach who played in the NBA? This guy WANTS to come here and you guys are being downright disrespectful to this man's credentials like hes not "worthy" enough to be our next coach. Ponder on that before you comment/reply
I agree with you. Martin has an excellent background and has proved he can win under adverse circumstances . Also his journey from the depths of East St Louis is something to be admired and respected .
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I would love to find out that ATK13thst is Duane Wilson messing with all of us.
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As I sit on a chair lift pondering MU...yes, sad, but it is a 2.5 mile ride which takes some time....I ask myself how excited I would be about hiring a guy that made zero NCAA bids his first five years and in his sixth he made it as a play in team and beat a team that was coached by someone who had his kid in surgery for cancer less than 15 hours before the game. Not sure how focused Fran was.
I want to believe, I'm just struggling with that many years why more success didn't happen.
I know all this waiting, conjecture and anticipation can be rather consuming to loyal alums like us, Chicos; but please let it go for just awhile and enjoy your vacation.
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I would love to find out that ATK13thst is Duane Wilson messing with all of us.
Wow, you are really intrigued huh?
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As I sit on a chair lift pondering MU...yes, sad, but it is a 2.5 mile ride which takes some time....I ask myself how excited I would be about hiring a guy that made zero NCAA bids his first five years and in his sixth he made it as a play in team and beat a team that was coached by someone who had his kid in surgery for cancer less than 15 hours before the game. Not sure how focused Fran was.
I want to believe, I'm just struggling with that many years why more success didn't happen.
Sharpie this one in, people. This is the basic line Chicos will use for the next six years about Martin.
Done Deal.
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We have pondered Martin in several different threads already. Why do we need another one? Why does someone need to be @ MU to succeed? They should be able to succeed already. What is Martin going to do? Recruit players with his 3 game stint as a Buck? I'm sure that recruiting spiel would go a long way. That's probably the exact reason that he cannot consistently get solid talent. Take away Bruce Pearl's Seniors on the team and what do you have left? Can you answer that question?
As I said in another thread, the biggest misconception is that Martin did it mostly with Pearl's players. There were only 2 holdovers this year from the Pearl era. Also, Martin signed 2 5* recruits in 3 years at UT. How many did Williams sign while at Marquette?
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As I said in another thread, the biggest misconception is that Martin did it mostly with Pearl's players. There were only 2 holdovers this year from the Pearl era. Also, Martin signed 2 5* recruits in 3 years at UT. How many did Williams sign while at Marquette?
1 in 6 years
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Sharpie this one in, people. This is the basic line Chicos will use for the next six years about Martin.
Done Deal.
Do you think it is a legitimate question to ask about a coach who has 1 NCAA bid in his 6 years and that was this year as a play-in?
Seems legit question to me. Others may differ.
If anything, I'm giving the SID and others prep time when these questions come up.
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VolFan, in YOUR opinion do u think Martin is an upgrade over Brent?
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Sharpie this one in, people. This is the basic line Chicos will use for the next six years about Martin.
Done Deal.
indeed.
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Do you think it is a legitimate question to ask about a coach who has 1 NCAA bid in his 6 years and that was this year as a play-in?
Seems legit question to me. Others may differ.
If anything, I'm giving the SID and others prep time when these questions come up.
Sure, it's a legit question. One that I am looking forward to you repeating for years.
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Do you think it is a legitimate question to ask about a coach who has 1 NCAA bid in his 6 years and that was this year as a play-in?
Seems legit question to me. Others may differ.
If anything, I'm giving the SID and others prep time when these questions come up.
Context is your friend.
At Missouri State, he took over a program that has one tourney appearance since 1992 and played in a conference that typically gets a couple of bids at best.
At Tennessee, he took over a team that had lost 7 of its top 10 players, including five of the top six scorers, from the prior season.
Neither situation was ripe for immediate success.
Would you prefer a coach who got one tourney appearance in his first seven seasons (Howland)?
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Wow, you are really intrigued huh?
I gotta admit, I'm kinda warming up to Martin.
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VolFan, in YOUR opinion do u think Martin is an upgrade over Brent?
I don't know a lot about Williams, but I would say they are in the same tier. I always thought Williams sideline antics were a little over the top and I was surprised to read he only got one 5* in 6 years, but he seemed to be an above-average X's and O's coach. You will get no sideline antics with Martin, which some won't like probably, and he has often been accused of not being a great X's and O's coach and not good at making adjustments. However, his players would run through a wall for him and he was a really good player at Purdue, so I think that carries a lot of credibility with 18-20 year-old kids.
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1 in 6 years
Brent Williams: 1 five-star recruit. 9 four-star recruits.
Cuonzo Martin: 2 five-star recruits (one handed to him). 1 four-star recruit.
Not a contest.
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I don't know a lot about Williams, but I would say they are in the same tier. I always thought Williams sideline antics were a little over the top and I was surprised to read he only got one 5* in 6 years, but he seemed to be an above-average X's and O's coach. You will get no sideline antics with Martin, which some won't like probably, and he has often been accused of not being a great X's and O's coach and not good at making adjustments. However, his players would run through a wall for him and he was a really good player at Purdue, so I think that carries a lot of credibility with 18-20 year-old kids.
Im sorry but Brent and X's and O's dont go together
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Brent Williams: 1 five-star recruit. 9 four-star recruits.
Cuonzo Martin: 2 five-star recruits (one handed to him). 1 four-star recruit.
Not a contest.
How many of those 9 four stars panned out? Riiiight
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Im sorry but Brent and X's and O's dont go together
That was definitely an outsider's perspective of him.
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How many of those 9 four stars panned out? Riiiight
What's your point? We're talking recruiting, not player development. And in that department, there's not much of a comparison to be made between Brent and Cuonzo.
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That was definitely an outsider's perspective of him.
Coaches ranked Buzz in the top 15 for X's and O's.
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Brent Williams: 1 five-star recruit. 9 four-star recruits.
Cuonzo Martin: 2 five-star recruits (one handed to him). 1 four-star recruit.
Not a contest.
As I posted in another thread, Stokes wasn't handed to him. In fact, once Pearl was ousted, Stokes actually took UT off his list, but Martin was able to re-recruit him and convince him to come to UT. Martin actually did a helluva job recruiting Stokes IMO. Also, depending on which service you read Martin has had more than one 4*. AJ Davis (son of former NBA player, Antonio Davis) was a 4* per some recruiting services if I'm not mistaken.
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As I posted in another thread, Stokes wasn't handed to him. In fact, once Pearl was ousted, Stokes actually took UT off his list, but Martin was able to re-recruit him and convince him to come to UT. Martin actually did a helluva job recruiting Stokes IMO. Also, depending on which service you read Martin has had more than one 4*. AJ Davis (son of former NBA player, Antonio Davis) was a 4* per some recruiting services if I'm not mistaken.
Thanks for the clarification. Gives me a bit more hope for this guy.
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What's your point? We're talking recruiting, not player development. And in that department, there's not much of a comparison to be made between Brent and Cuonzo.
I know nothing about Williams's development of players, but one of Martin's 5-stars (Stokes) has dramatically improved over 3 years and turned himself into an NBA player and a 4-star (Richardson) has turned into a shutdown defender and very good scorer. Martin's other 5-star (Hubbs) had a shoulder injury this season and took a medical redshirt after playing a few games, so hard to know. Martin's other player development is still up in the air.
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Brent Williams: 1 five-star recruit. 9 four-star recruits.
Cuonzo Martin: 2 five-star recruits (one handed to him). 1 four-star recruit.
Not a contest.
You're completely wrong about Stokes. After Pearl was fired, Stokes removed Tennessee from his list. Martin had to recruit him from scratch.
Although, there was a time when Tennessee was close to pulling the coup and getting Stokes committed.
"I wasn't going to commit early, but I knew that's where I wanted to go," Stokes said of his love affair with Bruce Pearl's Vols. "I used to love the way he played, I watched every one of his games. I wanted to be a more physical Tobias Harris."
And then it happened. Chaos broke loose in Knoxville, Pearl got fired and the Vols vanished from Stokes' list. They would re-appear but it took a whim.
"I messed around and answered one of their calls," Stokes said. "At first I wasn't picking up after Bruce Pearl left. Then I talked to [new coach Cuonzo Martin] and he's got NBA experience. I was blown away by what he knew."
Tennessee, once dead in the water, was back in the mix.
http://espn.go.com/college-sports/recruiting/basketball/mens/story/_/id/6912761/jarnell-stokes-earned-respect
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I know nothing about Williams's development of players, but one of Martin's 5-stars (Stokes) has dramatically improved over 3 years and turned himself into an NBA player and a 4-star (Richardson) has turned into a shutdown defender and very good scorer. Martin's other 5-star (Hubbs) had a shoulder injury this season and took a medical redshirt after playing a few games, so hard to know. Martin's other player development is still up in the air.
If Hubbs gets his medical redshirt and decided to follow Martin to MU, would he be eligble right away?
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What's your point? We're talking recruiting, not player development. And in that department, there's not much of a comparison to be made between Brent and Cuonzo.
You can be a Brent slurper if u want but a lot of those 4 stars Brent recruited transferred. You cant recruit TOP talent and not play them! C'mon maaaaan
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You're completely wrong about Stokes. After Pearl was fired, Stokes removed Tennessee from his list. Martin had to recruit him from scratch.
Although, there was a time when Tennessee was close to pulling the coup and getting Stokes committed.
"I wasn't going to commit early, but I knew that's where I wanted to go," Stokes said of his love affair with Bruce Pearl's Vols. "I used to love the way he played, I watched every one of his games. I wanted to be a more physical Tobias Harris."
And then it happened. Chaos broke loose in Knoxville, Pearl got fired and the Vols vanished from Stokes' list. They would re-appear but it took a whim.
"I messed around and answered one of their calls," Stokes said. "At first I wasn't picking up after Bruce Pearl left. Then I talked to [new coach Cuonzo Martin] and he's got NBA experience. I was blown away by what he knew."
Tennessee, once dead in the water, was back in the mix.
http://espn.go.com/college-sports/recruiting/basketball/mens/story/_/id/6912761/jarnell-stokes-earned-respect
This is exactly what I've been saying. The kids really seem to respond to and respect Martin. I think he will actually recruit well at Marquette and surprise a lot of you guys.
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If Hubbs gets his medical redshirt and decided to follow Martin to MU, would he be eligble right away?
I hope not!!! Lol. We need him next year. He's from TN for whatever that's worth.
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You're completely wrong about Stokes. After Pearl was fired, Stokes removed Tennessee from his list. Martin had to recruit him from scratch.
Although, there was a time when Tennessee was close to pulling the coup and getting Stokes committed.
"I wasn't going to commit early, but I knew that's where I wanted to go," Stokes said of his love affair with Bruce Pearl's Vols. "I used to love the way he played, I watched every one of his games. I wanted to be a more physical Tobias Harris."
And then it happened. Chaos broke loose in Knoxville, Pearl got fired and the Vols vanished from Stokes' list. They would re-appear but it took a whim.
"I messed around and answered one of their calls," Stokes said. "At first I wasn't picking up after Bruce Pearl left. Then I talked to [new coach Cuonzo Martin] and he's got NBA experience. I was blown away by what he knew."
Tennessee, once dead in the water, was back in the mix.
http://espn.go.com/college-sports/recruiting/basketball/mens/story/_/id/6912761/jarnell-stokes-earned-respect
KEY WORD(S ): NBA EXPERIENCE
I told yall, kids respect that. That HELPS bring TOP talent to your program
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Thanks for the input/feedback VolFan but you seem to be selling him pretty hard...gotta admit, that seems awfully suspicious. Especially considering that some on the TN boards are hoping CM leaves.
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Context is your friend.
At Missouri State, he took over a program that has one tourney appearance since 1992 and played in a conference that typically gets a couple of bids at best.
At Tennessee, he took over a team that had lost 7 of its top 10 players, including five of the top six scorers, from the prior season.
Neither situation was ripe for immediate success.
Would you prefer a coach who got one tourney appearance in his first seven seasons (Howland)?
Um...yeah...because he had three final fours in his last seven...
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As I posted in another thread, Stokes wasn't handed to him. In fact, once Pearl was ousted, Stokes actually took UT off his list, but Martin was able to re-recruit him and convince him to come to UT. Martin actually did a helluva job recruiting Stokes IMO. Also, depending on which service you read Martin has had more than one 4*. AJ Davis (son of former NBA player, Antonio Davis) was a 4* per some recruiting services if I'm not mistaken.
Hopefully he can repeat that feat with 'med Hill & Cohen
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Thanks for the input/feedback VolFan but you seem to be selling him pretty hard...gotta admit, that seems awfully suspicious. Especially considering that some on the TN boards are hoping CM leaves.
Haha, yes, because we make the final decision.
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Thanks for the input/feedback VolFan but you seem to be selling him pretty hard...gotta admit, that seems awfully suspicious. Especially considering that some on the TN boards are hoping CM leaves.
Lol. I understand your concern. I think I said it in another thread, if Martin leaves then I wouldn't be surprised or blame him after all the crap he dealt with from UT admin and fans. I also won't lose any sleep as I think there are a number of equivalent, if not better, viable options out there (i.e. Howland, Marshall, Manning, etc.). However, if he stays at UT, I am also fine with that too. He is by all accounts a top notch guy from a character standpoint, which is a huge plus in his column, especially considering the character of a lot of coaches in this day and age.
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Um...yeah...because he had three final fours in his last seven...
Actually two.
And at UCLA, where getting to final fours is slightly easier than at Missouri State.
As I've said, I'd be happy with Howland. But knocking Martin because he didn't get to the NCAAs in his first three years at Missouri State makes as much sense as knocking Howland for not getting to the NCAAs in his first three years at Northern Arizona.
Howland took over Pitt and three years later had them in the Sweet 16 = great coach!
Martin took over Tennessee and three years later had them in the Sweet 16 = terrible coach!
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Actually two.
And at UCLA, where getting to final fours is slightly easier than at Missouri State.
As I've said, I'd be happy with Howland. But knocking Martin because he didn't get to the NCAAs in his first three years at Missouri State makes as much sense as knocking Howland for not getting to the NCAAs in his first three years at Northern Arizona.
Howland took over Pitt and three years later had them in the Sweet 16 = great coach!
Martin took over Tennessee and three years later had them in the Sweet 16 = terrible coach!
Haha. Good post!
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Actually two.
And at UCLA, where getting to final fours is slightly easier than at Missouri State.
As I've said, I'd be happy with Howland. But knocking Martin because he didn't get to the NCAAs in his first three years at Missouri State makes as much sense as knocking Howland for not getting to the NCAAs in his first three years at Northern Arizona.
Howland took over Pitt and three years later had them in the Sweet 16 = great coach!
Martin took over Tennessee and three years later had them in the Sweet 16 = terrible coach!
Fair point. You're right on that.
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Martin's recruiting classes at UT by year. Star ratings from ESPN.
2011
Jarnell Stokes 5 stars ESPN100 #18
Josh Richardson 3 stars
Wesley Waspun 2 stars
Quinton Chievous 2 stars
Yemi Makanjuola 2 stars
Dwight Miller JC no rating
2012
Armani Moore 2 stars
Derek Reese 2 stars
D'Montre Edwards JC no rating
2013
Robert Hubbs 4 stars ESPN100 #29 (two spots below JJJ)
A. J. Davis 3 stars
Darius Thompson 3 stars
Rawane Ndiaye JC no rating
2014 (30th ranked class nationally)
Phil Cofer 4 stars
Larry Austin 3 stars
C. J. Turman 3 stars
Jordan Cornish 3 stars
Not exactly setting the world on fire for a team in a BCS conference.
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Martin" recruiting classes at UT by year. Star ratings from ESPN.
2011
Jarnell Stokes 5 stars ESPN100 #18
Josh Richardson 3 stars
Wesley Waspun 2 stars
Quinton Chievous 2 stars
Yemi Makanjuola 2 stars
Dwight Miller JC no rating
2012
Armani Moore 2 stars
Derek Reese 2 stars
D'Montre Edwards JC no rating
2013
Robert Hubbs 4 stars ESPN100 #29 (two spots below JJJ)
A. J. Davis 3 stars
Darius Thompson 3 stars
Rawane Ndiaye JC no rating
2014 (30th ranked class nationally)
Phil Cofer 4 stars
Larry Austin 3 stars
C. J. Turman 3 stars
Jordan Cornish 3 stars
Not exactly setting the world on fire for a team in a BCS conference.
Recruiting with no resources. Must be fun.
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Martin's recruiting classes at UT by year. Star ratings from ESPN.
2011
Jarnell Stokes 5 stars ESPN100 #18
Josh Richardson 3 stars
Wesley Waspun 2 stars
Quinton Chievous 2 stars
Yemi Makanjuola 2 stars
Dwight Miller JC no rating
2012
Armani Moore 2 stars
Derek Reese 2 stars
D'Montre Edwards JC no rating
2013
Robert Hubbs 4 stars ESPN100 #29 (two spots below JJJ)
A. J. Davis 3 stars
Darius Thompson 3 stars
Rawane Ndiaye JC no rating
2014 (30th ranked class nationally)
Phil Cofer 4 stars
Larry Austin 3 stars
C. J. Turman 3 stars
Jordan Cornish 3 stars
Not exactly setting the world on fire for a team in a BCS conference.
Yeah....... but they were top 20 on Ken POM for offensive/defensive efficiency. Remember.... that's all that matters according to Martin supporters. Oh.....and that they got those two 5 star recruits.
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Recruiting with no resources. Must be fun.
He had resources. Boosters cut them back when he wasn't producing good enough results on the recruiting front.
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He had resources. Boosters cut them back when he wasn't producing good enough results on the recruiting front they woke up and discovered he wasn't Bruce Pearl.
FTFY.
And it's hard to imagine why he'd consider leaving.
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Have we ever had a coach who played in the NBA? /reply
Did not Al McGuire spend a few years in the NBA?
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Recruiting with no resources. Must be fun.
UT was number one last year in overall recruiting budget, if I'm not mistaken.
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UT was number one last year in overall recruiting budget, if I'm not mistaken.
So that includes Football..... Which, if I'm not mistaken, they would be pouring all of their cash into that since they've not gone to a bowl game since 2010. Isn't that almost sacrilegious in the SEC? - to not be invited to a bowl game?
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UT was number one last year in overall recruiting budget, if I'm not mistaken.
Football recruiting budget has nothing to do with MU. Cuonzo had no where near the budget that MU has.
I wouldn't be surprised if the women's team at UT had a bigger recruiting budget than the men.
See if you can find the men's basketball recruiting budget for us. Women's was over $400,000.
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As I said in another thread, the biggest misconception is that Martin did it mostly with Pearl's players. There were only 2 holdovers this year from the Pearl era. Also, Martin signed 2 5* recruits in 3 years at UT. How many did Williams sign while at Marquette?
So what you're telling me is that his teams grossly underperform?
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I know all this waiting, conjecture and anticipation can be rather consuming to loyal alums like us, Chicos; but please let it go for just awhile and enjoy your vacation.
Thanks dude...don't worry, I am. It's snowing like a mother right now here in Tahoe. Ran into a Marquette grad in his 60s I would guess on Sunday. He helped get my kids squared away for ski school and he saw I was wearing a MU hat. He graduated many years ago, huge MU fan and I'm guessing he is semi-retired now and just living the ski bum life. I believe he said his roommate in college became a Journal or Sentinel writer..Mcgowan??? Ring a bell with anyone? This guy's name was Charlie.
All good....I can only enjoy vacation so much anyway with about 50 emails and a few texts from work that had to be answered, so it is what it is. MU takes my mind off that craziness.
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1 in 6 years
Maybe two if you include JJJ - and what did Buzz do with JJJ? Benched him all 2nd half of the season while playing a guy who made I think 4, 2 pt FG's for the whole year from shooting guard position..
Some real idiots showing up in this thread....Martin will do a really good job at MU. And, as to who people think would be better that would take the job?? Howland? That is arguable...and he might possibly do a better job...but recruiting to MU is not recruiting to UCLA, nor even Pitt in the old Big East.
Suspect players will connect a hell of a lot better with Martin than the 57 year old Howland.
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Sure, it's a legit question. One that I am looking forward to you repeating for years.
If he's here in 6 years, likely I won't have to repeat it because he is doing well. If I have to ask it every year, that would like mean he isn't doing well and perhaps we have a come to Jesus moment a few years from now and say "wait, we knew this guy had only 1 NCAA bid in 6 years and we hired him?"
I'm hoping for the former, not the latter. Nevertheless, that's the risk when hiring this kind of guy.
I'll still take Gregg Marshall....what does he do, go to the NCAAs about 85% in his career?
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Maybe two if you include JJJ - and what did Buzz do with JJJ? Benched him all 2nd half of the season while playing a guy who made I think 4, 2 pt FG's for the whole year from shooting guard position..
Some real idiots showing up in this thread....Martin will do a really good job at MU. And, as to who people think would be better that would take the job?? Howland? That is arguable...and he might possibly do a better job...but recruiting to MU is not recruiting to UCLA, nor even Pitt in the old Big East.
Suspect players will connect a hell of a lot better with Martin than the 57 year old Howland.
Can't say I agree with using this as a knock on Howland. Beilein and Fischer seem to be doing just fine at their ages.
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Context is your friend.
At Missouri State, he took over a program that has one tourney appearance since 1992 and played in a conference that typically gets a couple of bids at best.
At Tennessee, he took over a team that had lost 7 of its top 10 players, including five of the top six scorers, from the prior season.
Neither situation was ripe for immediate success.
Would you prefer a coach who got one tourney appearance in his first seven seasons (Howland)?
Would I hire Howland to coach MU out of Northern Arizona? No...for exactly that reason. Yes, Martin took over a team that had no been to the NCAAs since 1992, but they did have 7 straight winning seasons until his first season in which they won 10 games. I assume there were defections, no talent in the cupboard, etc..who knows.
I guess I'm just surprised that the success we have had, the money we are willing to pay, that we would get a guy with that kind of success in terms of getting to the tournament. Was Tennessee about to go on probation and had only 1 player that played like 40 minutes or something?
Probably the thing that strikes me most is that if he leaves, UT fans know they can get someone as good or better. Wouldn't that be a great feeling to have at MU right now....not such a risk.
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Actually two.
And at UCLA, where getting to final fours is slightly easier than at Missouri State.
As I've said, I'd be happy with Howland. But knocking Martin because he didn't get to the NCAAs in his first three years at Missouri State makes as much sense as knocking Howland for not getting to the NCAAs in his first three years at Northern Arizona.
Howland took over Pitt and three years later had them in the Sweet 16 = great coach!
Martin took over Tennessee and three years later had them in the Sweet 16 = terrible coach!
He (Howland) also finished back to back Big East regular season titles in the Big East, which is a better league back then the SEC). The Sweet 16 stuff is a crap shoot. Playing Mercer rather than Duke, helps. Lots of luck involved. Getting to the tournament is half the battle, after that its a crap shoot.
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Recruiting with no resources. Must be fun.
No resources? Sure about that?
Also, recruiting as the big state school....must be fun. Has some advantages.
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He (Howland) also finished back to back Big East regular season titles in the Big East, which is a better league back then the SEC). The Sweet 16 stuff is a crap shoot. Playing Mercer rather than Duke, helps. Lots of luck involved. Getting to the tournament is half the battle, after that its a crap shoot.
It'll be interesting to see what happens with Howland. We're not hearing his name much with MU or Wake and the WSU just filled their spot with Ernie Kent. With the Cal job now opening up it'll be interesting to see the interest level there.
If Howland goes through this offseason without serious considersation there's probably something more to the story.
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Well fellas let me tell you this then I'll be done with it: Like Barack is our PRESIDENT, CUONZO is our coach so we better respect the man!
We respect him, just not an SS quality coach or a Howland. Not even close.
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No resources? Sure about that?
Also, recruiting as the big state school....must be fun. Has some advantages.
Had resources - but nowhere near what Marquette has.
Maybe less than the women's BB program as well. Statistics are hard to find.
All women's programs had about $500,000 to spend. All Men's programs, except football had about $600,000.
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P.S, Chicos -- please don't talk about snow or cold 8-)
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P.S, Chicos -- please don't talk about snow or cold 8-)
I'm enjoying it. Ski season up here has been terrible. Within one hour of us arriving, major snowstorm dropped 10". Yesterday was great. Expecting another 10" to 14" tonight...tomorrow is going to be great...lots of powder.
Let is snow let it snow let it snow. The more the merrier today and tonight.
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Had resources - but nowhere near what Marquette has.
Maybe less than the women's BB program as well. Statistics are hard to find.
All women's programs had about $500,000 to spend. All Men's programs, except football had about $600,000.
I think this cuts both ways. Wisconsin's recruiting budget is much smaller than ares, yet they land good recruits all the times. That is because they are the big state school. Tennessee has this built in advantage as well. So while the resources might not be the same, the academic standards are lower at UT and the SEC and you have the built in Vols love, too.