Duane Wilson is transferring next season. It's a rumor, but I believe it.
Buzz's quote the other day that Diane could play but he decided to redshirt was the final nail in the coffin for me.
I hope I'm wrong.
Hope you are wrong as well. One question, why not transfer in December and play 2nd semester next season?
Quote from: Skatastrophy on January 25, 2014, 08:05:46 AM
Duane Wilson is transferring next season. It's a rumor, but I believe it.
Buzz's quote the other day that Diane could play but he decided to redshirt was the final nail in the coffin for me.
I hope I'm wrong.
I haven't heard any rumors like this. Care to share a source?
What good could possibly be gained by starting a thread like this?
Quote from: Skatastrophy on January 25, 2014, 08:05:46 AM
Duane Wilson is transferring next season. It's a rumor, but I believe it.
Buzz's quote the other day that Diane could play but he decided to redshirt was the final nail in the coffin for me.
I hope I'm wrong.
So he sits another season if he transfers.
Why didn't he transfer three weeks ago, then he could have been eligible in December?
We have to stop this parlor game of guessing who is going to transfer. With this post, I think we have at least one thread on every non-senior transferring.
I believe that with a medical hardship waiver he won't have to sit out.
Luke Fischer said Duane was one of the first to reach out and welcome him to the team. Doesn't sound like a guy who wants to transfer to me at all.
hudafuq is Diane?
The kid wears the uni in the bench every have and jacks around with the other freshman prior to tip.
I'm not seeing it, IMO.
Nah...don't think he's going anywhere.
Quote from: Skatastrophy on January 25, 2014, 08:05:46 AM
Duane Wilson is transferring next season. It's a rumor, but I believe it.
Buzz's quote the other day that Diane could play but he decided to redshirt was the final nail in the coffin for me.
I hope I'm wrong.
Other than being able to brag about this, with an "I called it!", what is the point of this post?
Maybe just keep this one to yourself?
I'd believe JJJ before I'd believe Duane.
Hell, I'd believe Buzz is going to SMU before ... oh wait ...
Quote from: Skatastrophy on January 25, 2014, 08:17:35 AM
I believe that with a medical hardship waiver he won't have to sit out.
He dresses and is eligible to play so he hasn't been granted that yet. That would be granted this summer long after he would make the decision to transfer.
He would have to transfer first and hope he would have the waiver second. If he left, all MU has to do is say he sat because he is no good, no waiver and he sits another year.
Quote from: Skatastrophy on January 25, 2014, 08:05:46 AM
Buzz's quote the other day that Diane could play but he decided to redshirt was the final nail in the coffin for me.
Diane shoots like a girl anyways.
Quote from: Guns n Ammo on January 25, 2014, 08:32:38 AM
Other than being able to brag about this, with an "I called it!", what is the point of this post?
Maybe just keep this one to yourself?
Message boards are rumor mills. Nobody else in the world cares about the rumblings I'm hearing from the athletic department.
It's a rumor, not just a gut feeling. That's the value.
I think I've proven by now that I don't frequently post unsubstantiated conjecture that I dreamed up on my own.
I'm just hoping the rumor mill is broken on this one.
Sorry about the Diane thing. Swype doesn't play nice with Duane's name :)
I'm calling it now, too:
Between now and the end of the season, at least a dozen Scoopers will start threads speculating wildly that Duane, JJJ, Deonte and/or STJ will transfer.
Did I say a dozen? I'd probably take the "over" on that prediction!
Quote from: Skatastrophy on January 25, 2014, 08:05:46 AM
Duane Wilson is transferring next season. It's a rumor, but I believe it.
Buzz's quote the other day that Diane could play but he decided to redshirt was the final nail in the coffin for me.
I hope I'm wrong.
Well anything is possible, but logically you would not redshirt if you wre going to transfer. You would not dressing for games to be a part of the team, if you were planning on transferring.
Hope he's transferrin' from off guard to point guard.
Quote from: murara1994 on January 25, 2014, 08:13:19 AM
What good could possibly be gained by starting a thread like this?
Absolutely nothing can be gained. I do not know why people get their panties in a bunch about transfers anyway. Player turnover is the nature of college basketball. When one player leaves it opens the door for the next.
Duane stays but Diane goes.
Quote from: DoggyDaddy on January 25, 2014, 09:05:25 AM
Duane stays but Diane goes.
Not buying this either, but the kid has not said anything all year, and everybody's boy Buzz has been less than transparent about it. Hopefully not true. Ballistics will fly if true.
Quote from: Skatastrophy on January 25, 2014, 08:40:55 AM
It's a rumor, not just a gut feeling. That's the value.
We'll that changes things ... You would never post anything you made up, instead you post things others have made up.
Boo. I was hoping for a bold prediction of a big win today. Instead you gotta bring me down. Double boo.
Quote from: Skatastrophy on January 25, 2014, 08:05:46 AMBuzz's quote the other day that Duane could play but he decided to redshirt was the final nail in the coffin for me.
Thinking about this a little more, I'm wondering if maybe we're reading too much into it. Once Duane was healed, he was always eligible to play. His decision was his alone, but you know Buzz guided it. Perhaps watching STJr struggle to get back into playing shape was enough to put him over the edge. No sense in burning a year to not see the court.
I don't know what your other info is, so that might make me rethink, but his "deciding" to redshirt doesn't seem like a big deal to me...
Quote from: Utile et Dulce on January 25, 2014, 09:34:29 AM
Thinking about this a little more, I'm wondering if maybe we're reading too much into it.
This never happens on Scoop!
Quote from: Skatastrophy on January 25, 2014, 08:17:35 AM
I believe that with a medical hardship waiver he won't have to sit out.
Interesting rumor, but doesn't really make sense. Based on what Buzz has stated to the media, I would surprised if he had any shot at a medical waiver. He is participating in practices, dressing for games, and it has been noted by Buzz that he could be used in an emergency situation. Makes quite the high hurdle to qualify for the (non-guaranteed) waiver, doesn't it?. Also, Marquette has publicly stated that he is using a redshirt. Would that lock him in?
With that fact pattern, I would be shocked to see him transfer....not playing again until 2016...doesn't make sense. Especially with the minutes becoming avialable and talent we have.
I wasn't going to bring this topic up but now that it's here... Just like the "my best friends cousin" line of sources, I have a source linked to Dominican that talked to Duane's dad and he said DW was forced to redshirt because buzz doesn't like him because he's selfish and uncoachable. Said they're looking at FSU and Clemson as possibles to transfer to. I called BS but if others are hearing things.
Also heard, and I really hope it's crap, that stone doesn't like Wilson. And it might be one or the other at marquette. Like merrit and d Harris.
Quote from: thanooj on January 25, 2014, 09:53:05 AM
I wasn't going to bring this topic up but now that it's here... Just like the "my best friends cousin" line of sources, I have a source linked to Dominican that talked to Duane's dad and he said DW was forced to redshirt because buzz doesn't like him because he's selfish and uncoachable. Said they're looking at FSU and Clemson as possibles to transfer to. I called BS but if others are hearing things.
Also heard, and I really hope it's crap, that stone doesn't like Wilson. And it might be one or the other at marquette. Like merrit and d Harris.
"selfish and uncoachable" usually aren't terms associated with players that are the ones that reach out to Fischer and Matthews to come to Marquette. Seems a like some of these things don't fit and Duane wouldn't be reaching out to have these guys the team if he didn't like the atmosphere of the school.
Shenanigans.
Quote from: thanooj on January 25, 2014, 09:53:05 AM
I wasn't going to bring this topic up but now that it's here... Just like the "my best friends cousin" line of sources, I have a source linked to Dominican that talked to Duane's dad and he said DW was forced to redshirt because buzz doesn't like him because he's selfish and uncoachable. Said they're looking at FSU and Clemson as possibles to transfer to. I called BS but if others are hearing things.
Also heard, and I really hope it's crap, that stone doesn't like Wilson. And it might be one or the other at marquette. Like merrit and d Harris.
As noted above, if Duane leaves he is sitting out next year too. So, if this was true, it was true three weeks ago. He should have left at the end of the semester so he could play next December.
I think your BFFs cousin was confused and was talking about Jaymeel McKay.
Duane is going nowhere
It's a beautiful day in the neighborhood.
Remember the last time there were rumors floating around the athletic department? Oh yeah it was shortly before Vander declared for the draft. I remember people talking about how it was nonsense then too.
Quote from: Skatastrophy on January 25, 2014, 08:05:46 AM
Duane Wilson is transferring next season. It's a rumor, but I believe it.
Buzz's quote the other day that Diane could play but he decided to redshirt was the final nail in the coffin for me.
I hope I'm wrong.
pretty confident you don't have to hope your wrong.
Hey, it is what it is. I like Duane as a playa. But, if he chooses to bolt, the sun will still rise in the East. Someone's backyard is someone else's front lawn. Somebody's trash is another's treasure. Don't sweat the small stuff.
Quote from: Utile et Dulce on January 25, 2014, 09:34:29 AM
Thinking about this a little more, I'm wondering if maybe we're reading too much into it. Once Duane was healed, he was always eligible to play. His decision was his alone, but you know Buzz guided it. Perhaps watching STJr struggle to get back into playing shape was enough to put him over the edge. No sense in burning a year to not see the court.
I don't know what your other info is, so that might make me rethink, but his "deciding" to redshirt doesn't seem like a big deal to me...
I listened to that podcast twice--Buzz said he could play but never said how the RS decision was made. Somebody said that Buzz said in that podcast that the decision was Duane's. Buzz did not say that. Nobody has really said what is going on, other than he can play but is being redshirted. The kid has said nothing publically. Something to see here?
Quote from: mueron on January 25, 2014, 10:38:11 AM
Remember the last time there were rumors floating around the athletic department? Oh yeah it was shortly before Vander declared for the draft. I remember people talking about how it was nonsense then too.
No, the last rumor was Fisher was going to UW
Before that STj was going to transfer.
Before that STj was going to red shirt.
Before that the rumor was JJJ was going to transfer.
Before that the rumor was Dawson was going to transfer
Before that the rumor was Mayo was going to transfer
Before that was McKay would start at the 5
Before that Stone had eliminated MU
Before that Hill had eliminated MU
Before that Pierce was going to FSU
Before that Juan was transferring
Before that Jake was transferring
Before that Buzz was leaving
Then we get to the rumor Vander was leaving early rumor.
So, yes, if you go through life automatically believing every rumor here is crap you look like Nosterdamus.
Duane is not leaving.
Quote from: willie warrior on January 25, 2014, 10:44:02 AM
I listened to that podcast twice--Buzz said he could play but never said how the RS decision was made. Somebody said that Buzz said in that podcast that the decision was Duane's. Buzz did not say that. Nobody has really said what is going on, other than he can play but is being redshirted. The kid has said nothing publically. Something to see here?
Here you go willie, you usually are not going to get more than this:
"After thorough conversations with Duane and his family, we have decided it's best for his career that he redshirt this year," Williams said.
Read more from Journal Sentinel: http://www.jsonline.com/newswatch/237515661.html#ixzz2rQkrlGCS
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Willie and thanooj are full of shenanigans, but skat is not. He certainly had thoughts about it while the redshirt decision was being made, but after everything was settled those thoughts, too, settled. I would be surprised, but those thoughts may have crept back into his head. I will see...
Quote from: 4everwarriors on January 25, 2014, 10:43:53 AM
Hey, it is what it is. I like Duane as a playa. But, if he chooses to bolt, the sun will still rise in the East. Someone's backyard is someone else's front lawn. Somebody's trash is another's treasure. Don't sweat the small stuff.
I wish everyone had this perspective.
This would really bum me out if true. Duane has always been a big ambassador for the Marquette program...I remember his tweets about recruiting JJJ when he was deciding to come here. He does seem very energetic and like he enjoys being part of the team when watching him on the bench though, so hopefully it's unfounded.
Quote from: mueron on January 25, 2014, 10:38:11 AM
Remember the last time there were rumors floating around the athletic department? Oh yeah it was shortly before Vander declared for the draft. I remember people talking about how it was nonsense then too.
No one stated that the rumor mill about Vander leaving early was nonsense. It was the full on smack down between him and Buzz that people questioned. I believe Buzz just even addressed that in an interview with Homer. He said (paraphrasing), I don't know where the rumor started that Vander and I broke bad, we talk to each other every day.
Quote from: Heisenberg on January 25, 2014, 11:00:42 AM
No, the last rumor was Fisher was going to UW
Before that STj was going to transfer.
Before that STj was going to red shirt.
Before that the rumor was JJJ was going to transfer.
Before that the rumor was Dawson was going to transfer
Before that the rumor was Mayo was going to transfer
Before that was McKay would start at the 5
Before that Stone had eliminated MU
Before that Hill had eliminated MU
Before that Pierce was going to FSU
Before that Juan was transferring
Before that Jake was transferring
Before that Buzz was leaving
Then we get to the rumor Vander was leaving early rumor.
So, yes, if you go through life automatically believing every rumor here is crap you look like Nosterdamus.
Duane is not leaving.
Well correct me if I'm wrong but the examples you listed were more conjecture than rumor. I specifically stated rumors floating around the athletic department. That being said I don't know the OP. Could be a stand up guy or full of crap. Perhaps his "source" is a stand up guy or is full of crap. Who knows. Good day sir.
Quote from: mueron on January 25, 2014, 11:29:22 AM
Well correct me if I'm wrong but the examples you listed were more conjecture than rumor. I specifically stated rumors floating around the athletic department. That being said I don't know the OP. Could be a stand up guy or full of crap. Perhaps his "source" is a stand up guy or is full of crap. Who knows. Good day sir.
Just admit your source is full of it and move on, anyone that would really know (the coaching staff, Duane and his parents) are not telling you so you can post it on scoop.
Quote from: Heisenberg on January 25, 2014, 11:41:19 AM
Just admit your source is full of it and move on, anyone that would really know (the coaching staff, Duane and his parents) are not telling you so you can post it on scoop.
Huh? I don't have a source. I think you're confusing me with OP. It's ok though. We all have our moments.
Duane would have to sit a year. He could gain a sixth year of eligibility at the end of his career based on this year's injury, but unless he won an appeal he would have to sit a year.
I'm not too worried, but if it happens, it happens. Life goes on.
That's the attitude. Now you're talkin'.
Quote from: MURFC on January 25, 2014, 11:01:33 AM
Here you go willie, you usually are not going to get more than this:
"After thorough conversations with Duane and his family, we have decided it's best for his career that he redshirt this year," Williams said.
Read more from Journal Sentinel: http://www.jsonline.com/newswatch/237515661.html#ixzz2rQkrlGCS
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You are probably right--no more than this. I was quoting what was not said on the most recent Homer show. Somebody stated that Buzz said it was Duane's decision. Buzz did not say that.
Only concern now is Who made the decision and why? Buzzspeak: We have decided
Quote from: wadesworld on January 25, 2014, 11:02:17 AM
Willie and thanooj are full of shenanigans, but skat is not. He certainly had thoughts about it while the redshirt decision was being made, but after everything was settled those thoughts, too, settled. I would be surprised, but those thoughts may have crept back into his head. I will see...
Thank you wade's wong--but I am not unlike you, full of shenanigans.
So, dreadman states jjj has already told buzz he's going to transfer. Now skat and thanooj are hearing negative things about Duane and his possible transfer.
Always be recruiting, eh?
Quote from: Heisenberg on January 25, 2014, 11:00:42 AM
No, the last rumor was Fisher was going to UW
Before that STj was going to transfer.
Before that STj was going to red shirt.
Before that the rumor was JJJ was going to transfer.
Before that the rumor was Dawson was going to transfer
Before that the rumor was Mayo was going to transfer
Before that was McKay would start at the 5
Before that Stone had eliminated MU
Before that Hill had eliminated MU
Before that Pierce was going to FSU
Before that Juan was transferring
Before that Jake was transferring
Before that Buzz was leaving
Then we get to the rumor Vander was leaving early rumor.
So, yes, if you go through life automatically believing every rumor here is crap you look like Nosterdamus.
Duane is not leaving.
+1000
Just a stupid thread - If there were actually 'rumors' out there, Buzz would have spoken to Duane and would not allow him anywhere near a Marquette uni if true.
Our "insider" needs to go back to watching TMZ - it would seem to be more his style.
Duane and Jamil are cousins, if Duane didn't know Buzz's style prior to coming to Marquette, it's not saying much about Duane or his family. On that same line, if Buzz wasn't talking to Jamil or Duane's coaches, which I can't see Buzz not doing, it doesn't say much about Buzz. This has been a TOUGH year for all of us...to those stoking the rumor mill, don't for the LOVE OF GOD!
I don't see what can possibly be gained by starting a thread like this. It is 7th grade gossiping at its worst. Obviously the original poster is no fan of the Marquette program.
Quote from: jesmu84 on January 25, 2014, 12:13:40 PM
So, dreadman states jjj has already told buzz he's going to transfer. Now skat and thanooj are hearing negative things about Duane and his possible transfer.
Always be recruiting, eh?
As I said, these guys wouldn't be anywhere near a Marquette uniform if they told Buzz they were transferring.
I heard a rumor Marquette is moving to Chicago - the whole school. Makes sense since DePaul is such a mess and especially in the light of the fact that there is a new arena being built and they want to be able to fill it to get the revenue.
Not sayin' it's true - but I heard the rumor and if somebody said it I have to think it is true.
Quote from: brandx on January 25, 2014, 12:19:46 PM
As I said, these guys wouldn't be anywhere near a Marquette uniform if they told Buzz they were transferring.
I heard a rumor Marquette is moving to Chicago - the whole school. Makes sense since DePaul is such a mess and especially in the light of the fact that there is a new arena being built and they want to be able to fill it to get the revenue.
Not sayin' it's true - but I heard the rumor and if somebody said it I have to think it is true.
I thought the rumor was Gary, IN and were going to change the name to Notre Dame pt. II and the mascots was going to be an egg.
Quote from: DCWarriors04 on January 25, 2014, 12:22:25 PM
I thought the rumor was Gary, IN and were going to change the name to Notre Dame pt. II and the mascots was going to be an egg.
Just proves it is true if there's more than one rumor. Obviously one person just got a few of the details wrong.
Quote from: Heavy Gear on January 25, 2014, 12:17:30 PM
I don't see what can possibly be gained by starting a thread like this. It is 7th grade gossiping at its worst. Obviously the original poster is no fan of the Marquette program.
How is he not a fan of the program?? He heard something which may or not be true...a couple of other posters have heard similar rumblings. Take it for what it's worth.
Quote from: brandx on January 25, 2014, 12:19:46 PM
As I said, these guys wouldn't be anywhere near a Marquette uniform if they told Buzz they were transferring.
I heard a rumor Marquette is moving to Chicago - the whole school. Makes sense since DePaul is such a mess and especially in the light of the fact that there is a new arena being built and they want to be able to fill it to get the revenue.
Not sayin' it's true - but I heard the rumor and if somebody said it I have to think it is true.
Yeah it was just a coincidence that right after Pat Hazel was caught stealing money by using someone else's debit card he saw 0 minutes the rest of the season but remained in uniform on the bench. Nobody knew he would be transferring after the season though ::) which is why he was allowed to stay on the bench. And nobody in the athletic department and basketball program ever has an idea when a kid is looking to transfer after the season before they make that announcement ::). Again, I would be surprised if it happened but the rumors are not unfounded. If you think players only make their intentions known when a public announcement is made then you don't know how these things work.
Not to mention, imagine how that would look to potential recruits and their parents. "Hey guys, if you go to Marquette and realize it's not the best situation for you and people find out before the season is over they'll just kick you off the team!" Keeping it classy. Not to mention situations like Juan and Jake who decide they want to transfer, things within the program change, and they decide to stay. That'd happen if their uniform was taken away midseason ::)
Quote from: The Sultan of Syncopation on January 25, 2014, 11:52:46 AM
Duane would have to sit a year. He could gain a sixth year of eligibility at the end of his career based on this year's injury, but unless he won an appeal he would have to sit a year.
I'm not too worried, but if it happens, it happens. Life goes on.
2 years of not playing in a game is a loooooong time for a college kid. I don't see anyway he doesn't get 25 minutes next year, so he would really want out to transfer. I just don't see it.
The VB rumors made sense. This doesn't.
Duane isnt transferring.... close thread
Quote from: Nevada233 on January 25, 2014, 12:49:52 PM
Duane isnt transferring.... close thread
I'll second. Close thread.
Crap, he's not wearing marquette sleeves. We're doomed.
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Quote from: 4everwarriors on January 25, 2014, 10:43:53 AM
Hey, it is what it is. I like Duane as a playa. But, if he chooses to bolt, the sun will still rise in the East. Someone's backyard is someone else's front lawn. Somebody's trash is another's treasure. Don't sweat the small stuff.
And you dare call yourself a fan?
Quote from: mubuzz on January 25, 2014, 12:27:02 PM
How is he not a fan of the program?? He heard something which may or not be true...a couple of other posters have heard similar rumblings. Take it for what it's worth.
As an unsubstantiated rumor, all this does is raise the anxiety level of the fans of the program during a disappointing season.
JJJ is so likely to transfer that he's the dude in the middle of the huddle dancing pre-game. ::)
Funky chicken? That's how he's appeased.
Duane would be the last freshman to go, I'd believe JJJ or Burton first, especially if Burton thinks Taylor will take most of his minutes next season.
Quote from: ecompt on January 25, 2014, 02:02:00 PM
Duane would be the last freshman to go, I'd believe JJJ or Burton first, especially if Burton thinks Taylor will take most of his minutes next season.
Hopefully you're not a bettin' man.
Quote from: wadesworld on January 25, 2014, 02:18:46 PM
Hopefully you're not a bettin' man.
I am not, I want them all to stay. But we are one over the limit if all the recruits make it to campus.
Quote from: Heisenberg on January 25, 2014, 11:00:42 AM
No, the last rumor was Fisher was going to UW
Before that STj was going to transfer.
Before that STj was going to red shirt.
Before that the rumor was JJJ was going to transfer.
Before that the rumor was Dawson was going to transfer
Before that the rumor was Mayo was going to transfer
Before that was McKay would start at the 5
Before that Stone had eliminated MU
Before that Hill had eliminated MU
Before that Pierce was going to FSU
Before that Juan was transferring
Before that Jake was transferring
Before that Buzz was leaving
Then we get to the rumor Vander was leaving early rumor.
So, yes, if you go through life automatically believing every rumor here is crap you look like Nosterdamus.
Duane is not leaving.
+ infinity
before the Villanova game I thought no way... watching Buzz trot offensively challenged lineups over and over and over - why would these kids stay...
Quote from: madtownwarrior on January 25, 2014, 04:46:52 PM
before the Villanova game I thought no way... watching Buzz trot offensively challenged lineups over and over and over - why would these kids stay...
Offensively challenged lineups? Not sure what game you were watching, but the offense after the first 4 minutes was not the problem. We scored 77 points in regulation. If it's constantly an offensively challenged lineup, wouldn't we be more towards the 35 we scored against Ohio State? 77 points is not bad at all. The defensive side of the court...well, that's another case.
I have also heard there's friction there. A lot can change between now and the end of the year, but this isn't just people stirring up the pot for no reason. Smoke and fire and all that.
I'll stick with my prediction that he's not going anywhere but I've also heard the rumors/rumblings.
Quote from: madtownwarrior on January 25, 2014, 04:46:52 PM
before the Villanova game I thought no way... watching Buzz trot offensively challenged lineups over and over and over - why would these kids stay...
Seems like a logical response.
Quote from: brandx on January 25, 2014, 12:19:46 PM
As I said, these guys wouldn't be anywhere near a Marquette uniform if they told Buzz they were transferring.
I don't agree with your comment. The last thing any coach wants to do is burn bridges within the recruiting trails. Buzz is a pro. If the young man said he is leaving, what would Buzz gain by banishing him, unless his conduct is detrimental to the team. I have more respect for a coach that would allow a kid to continue to stay and learn. What is to be gained by booting him? Assuming any of this is true, DW is still with the team now and likely with Buzz's blessing. Hopefully he is a Warrior in the future, if not wish him well and move on.
imagine what we could score if we had a PG who could score or create for others and a SG who could actually register a tally in the pts column?
Quote from: wadesworld on January 25, 2014, 04:56:57 PM
Offensively challenged lineups? Not sure what game you were watching, but the offense after the first 4 minutes was not the problem. We scored 77 points in regulation. If it's constantly an offensively challenged lineup, wouldn't we be more towards the 35 we scored against Ohio State? 77 points is not bad at all. The defensive side of the court...well, that's another case.
Quote from: madtownwarrior on January 25, 2014, 06:40:53 PM
imagine what we could score if we had a PG who could score or create for others and a SG who could actually register a tally in the pts column?
7 assists isn't creating for others? Todd didn't score?
starting SG - 0 pts. Todd rides bench most of game and then rescues the game - scratching head on that one....
so 70 plus minutes between Wilson and Thomas and 6 pts is good in your book? at 11 - 9, it's really workin gwith Wilson leading the team, keep defending him...
Quote from: wadesworld on January 25, 2014, 06:42:59 PM
7 assists isn't creating for others? Todd didn't score?
Quote from: madtownwarrior on January 25, 2014, 06:52:50 PM
starting SG - 0 pts. Todd rides bench most of game and then rescues the game - scratching head on that one....
so 70 plus minutes between Wilson and Thomas and 6 pts is good in your book? at 11 - 9, it's really workin gwith Wilson leading the team, keep defending him...
You just completely changed your argument. Well done, you win.
I started with offensively challenged that you challenged - 6 pts in 70+ minutes from 2 starters is not offensively challenged?
Quote from: wadesworld on January 25, 2014, 06:56:07 PM
You just completely changed your argument. Well done, you win.
Derrick is just not a startin' point guard at this level. He is what he is. In the scheme of life, it ain't no big deal.
Quote from: madtownwarrior on January 25, 2014, 06:57:31 PM
I started with offensively challenged that you challenged - 6 pts in 70+ minutes from 2 starters is not offensively challenged?
No, you said we don't have a point guard who can create shots for other people. I said our point guard gave us 7 assists against the #4 team in the country today. Seems to me that he created shots for others. 7 assists is quite a few.
You also said we did not have a shooting guard who could put a tally in the points column. Todd had 10 in 30 seconds and 18 points overall for the game. Seems to me he had quite a few tallies in the points column.
Then in your next post you said our point guard and shooting guard combined for 6 points. Totally different argument.
last post - 6 pts in 70+ minutes from 2 starters, all is good...
Quote from: wadesworld on January 25, 2014, 07:05:42 PM
No, you said we don't have a point guard who can create shots for other people. I said our point guard gave us 7 assists against the #4 team in the country today. Seems to me that he created shots for others. 7 assists is quite a few.
You also said we did not have a shooting guard who could put a tally in the points column. Todd had 10 in 30 seconds and 18 points overall for the game. Seems to me he had quite a few tallies in the points column.
Then in your next post you said our point guard and shooting guard combined for 6 points. Totally different argument.
Quote from: madtownwarrior on January 25, 2014, 07:07:39 PM
last post - 6 pts in 70+ minutes from 2 starters, all is good...
Exactly my point. You changed your argument completely.
Quote from: Heavy Gear on January 25, 2014, 12:17:30 PMObviously the original poster is no fan of the Marquette program.
The don't make fanatics more passionate about their team than Skat.
So next year the following players are gone JJJ,Dawson,StJ, Du Wilson.? Might as well be a poor mans Kentucky with roster turnover like that.
Speaking of the term "poor mans". I loved Brian Wardles pre draft comparison. Poor mans Dan Majerle.
Quote from: KenoshaWarrior on January 25, 2014, 08:18:30 PM
So next year the following players are gone JJJ,Dawson,StJ, Du Wilson.? Might as well be a poor mans Kentucky with roster turnover like that.
Speaking of the term "poor mans". I loved Brian Wardles pre draft comparison. Poor mans Dan Majerle.
Don't forget Mayo!
The only way I see this being true is if Dawson was going to be ahead of him on the depth chart. In which case, he should transfer, best of luck to him and may he find greener pastures. But I wouldn't lose any sleep over it because all my team would be losing is a third string PG when Derrick Wilson is the number 1.
Quote from: MURFC on January 25, 2014, 09:46:20 AM
Interesting rumor, but doesn't really make sense. Based on what Buzz has stated to the media, I would surprised if he had any shot at a medical waiver. He is participating in practices, dressing for games, and it has been noted by Buzz that he could be used in an emergency situation. Makes quite the high hurdle to qualify for the (non-guaranteed) waiver, doesn't it?. Also, Marquette has publicly stated that he is using a redshirt. Would that lock him in?
With that fact pattern, I would be shocked to see him transfer....not playing again until 2016...doesn't make sense. Especially with the minutes becoming avialable and talent we have.
Actually, it makes a lot of sense.
--He was recruited over in his position in his same class (he committed first, Buzz later decided he also needed Dawson).
--What type of player of any reasonable talent and no medical issue would decide to preserve his 2017-18 eligiblity when his team is struggling specifically because of a lack of talent at one's natural position? Its not like he's fighting for minutes behind Davante Gardner.
--Next year the PG position won't be any more settled. If you can't beat out Wilson and Dawson now, what makes you think you'll get more minutes next year.
--Buzz has another Top 100 PG (Noskowiak) arriving in what will now be Duane's sophomore year. And Dawson will still be here (and for the next two years).
--Buzz is continuing to look at additional PGs, to arrive as early as next year (which barring transfer would put 4 PGs on the roster for next season.
--The team is already overcommitted for next year, so we know someone currently projected to be here won't be around.
Derrick had 7 assists?! There's either some serious home cooking going on and/or the MU stats crew is incompetent.
Quote from: The Equalizer on January 25, 2014, 09:24:24 PM
--The team is already overcommitted for next year, so we know someone currently projected to be here won't be around.
Just remember that Malek Harris has yet to sign his LOI.
I would be very surprised if Wilson ends up leaving.
I would be very surprised too.Duane obviously had alot to do with Luke Fischer transferring here.Duane is a smart kid.I am sure he is frustrated with the injury.He wants to play.Any competitor would.He knows the pg position is wide open and if he delivers he will get most of the minutes.I think any guard is also apprehensive when he sees no quality bigs on the roster after this year.Then McKay leaves and it is magnified,but with Luke Fischer here now and possibly Diamond Stone it is a whole new ball game for a point guard.Duane will see many open looks with Fischer and Stone in the game.A point guards dream.
Quote from: The Equalizer on January 25, 2014, 09:24:24 PM
Actually, it makes a lot of sense.
--He was recruited over in his position in his same class (he committed first, Buzz later decided he also needed Dawson).
--What type of player of any reasonable talent and no medical issue would decide to preserve his 2017-18 eligiblity when his team is struggling specifically because of a lack of talent at one's natural position? Its not like he's fighting for minutes behind Davante Gardner.
--Next year the PG position won't be any more settled. If you can't beat out Wilson and Dawson now, what makes you think you'll get more minutes next year.
--Buzz has another Top 100 PG (Noskowiak) arriving in what will now be Duane's sophomore year. And Dawson will still be here (and for the next two years).
--Buzz is continuing to look at additional PGs, to arrive as early as next year (which barring transfer would put 4 PGs on the roster for next season.
--The team is already overcommitted for next year, so we know someone currently projected to be here won't be around.
Boy are you confused ...
He was recruited over in his position in his same class. Duane is supposed to feel disrespected because we recruited a 3* PG from NM? Are we supposed to not recruit any PG until he leaves? Duane is not good enough to beat any of these guys out?
talent and no medical issue? Are you not paying attention? He broke his freaking leg!!!! Only in the last 10 days has he been able to go full practice.
If you can't beat out Wilson and Dawson now, what makes you think you'll get more minutes next year. Well I have issues with Dwill and Dawson but they are better than Duane with a broken leg. Further if he cannot beat out Dwill and/or Dawson than he should transfer to UWM or Green Bay.
Buzz has another Top 100 PG (Noskowiak) arriving in what will now be Duane's sophomore year. And Dawson will still be here (and for the next two years). Noskowiak has no problem coming knowing that Duane will be here. If Noskowiak thinks he can beat him out, then maybe Duane should transfer to Whitewater.
Quote from: Aircraftcarrier on January 26, 2014, 09:35:29 AM
I would be very surprised too.Duane obviously had alot to do with Luke Fischer transferring here.Duane is a smart kid.I am sure he is frustrated with the injury.He wants to play.Any competitor would.He knows the pg position is wide open and if he delivers he will get most of the minutes.I think any guard is also apprehensive when he sees no quality bigs on the roster after this year.Then McKay leaves and it is magnified,but with Luke Fischer here now and possibly Diamond Stone it is a whole new ball game for a point guard.Duane will see many open looks with Fischer and Stone in the game.A point guards dream.
If Duane wanted to transfer he should have left already as he would have to sit out again next year, he wants to be a pro, I do not see it either.
Quote from: Utile et Dulce on January 25, 2014, 08:13:46 PM
The don't make fanatics more passionate about their team than Skat.
Stop it, you're making me blush ;)
Quote from: thanooj on January 25, 2014, 09:53:05 AM
I wasn't going to bring this topic up but now that it's here... Just like the "my best friends cousin" line of sources, I have a source linked to Dominican that talked to Duane's dad and he said DW was forced to redshirt because buzz doesn't like him because he's selfish and uncoachable. Said they're looking at FSU and Clemson as possibles to transfer to. I called BS but if others are hearing things.
Also heard, and I really hope it's crap, that stone doesn't like Wilson. And it might be one or the other at marquette. Like merrit and d Harris.
Ok, if we assume he is leaving because he cannot beat out Dwill and Dawson for time at the 1 ...
He going to FSU? Remember he would sit another year and then have to beat out Soph Aaron Thomas (12 ppg, 42% 3FG) who is tons better than Dwill or Dawson. And if they get JaQuan Lyle, a recruit that has offers from Kansas and Uconn, he'll beat him out but not Dawson?
He's going to Clemson? A team that missed the NCAA that last 2 years. A team that is in the ACC meaning if everything breaks their way, they will finish between 7 and 12 in the conference. Good luck on Tourney Sunday. Oh, and they are over-signed by 2 for next year too.
I do not believe that Wilson will transfer, but with Buzzo, who really knows? There is something wrong with this RS that is not being explained. Have not heard one word from the kid, but plenty of rumors from others. Why hasn't Duane said publically that he wanted to RS? Could it be because Buzzo forced it on him? No, guess not--Buzz would never do that.
Quote from: BCHoopster on January 26, 2014, 09:40:36 AM
If Duane wanted to transfer he should have left already as he would have to sit out again next year, he wants to be a pro, I do not see it either.
Hope you're right (and I have no information that you're not) but maybe there's not an open scholarship at the schools that Duane is considering and maybe his family doesn't have the means to pay his way for a semester. And if we're really looking at Jarvis Garrett for 2014 he would likely replace a point guard on the roster.
Do I think there was differences in the Wilson camp with Buzz.-Yes
Do I think that is worked out.- Possibly
Do I think Duane Wilson would have been the first to reach out to Luke Fischer and encourage him to transfer to MU if Duane knew himself that he was leaving MU after this year.- Absolutely not.
Quote from: thanooj on January 25, 2014, 09:53:05 AM
I wasn't going to bring this topic up but now that it's here... Just like the "my best friends cousin" line of sources, I have a source linked to Dominican that talked to Duane's dad and he said DW was forced to redshirt because buzz doesn't like him because he's selfish and uncoachable. Said they're looking at FSU and Clemson as possibles to transfer to. I called BS but if others are hearing things.
Also heard, and I really hope it's crap, that stone doesn't like Wilson. And it might be one or the other at marquette. Like merrit and d Harris.
If he does end up going to FSU, I hope he has better dietary habits than other FSU recruits from Milwaukee.
DuWil beats out Dawson by wide margin. He is far more advanced player than Dawson and highly doubt the competition is scaring him at all. The kid is high level PG and will have great D1 career.
Watching Duane on the bench, it looks like he is a good teammate, not pouting sitting there. I think the year out for all freshman is good for maturity, weight room, etc. All 3 frosh seem to
be OK with there teammates, it is hard being a frosh. Wait till next year, there is lots of bodies that will want to play, 13, if all are healthy 4 will not see to much court time. Same discussion
next year. Next year you have 3 average seniors, think they will be happy sitting?
Fisher, Pierce
Burton, Taylor
Juan, Shayok, JJJ
Mayo, Cohen, Hill
Wilson, Dawson, Wilson
I can see all 3 seniors having playing problems as all 3 will not be difference makers, except maybe Todd. If Derrick gets the majority of minutes next year, they will have the same problem
as this year, 4 on 5.
For a past example, I look at Jamal Ferguson from last year. When something good would happen, like a big play, he showed no emotion and seemed to be tuned out and not caring. I have not seen that this year from JJJ, Duane, Steve, Dawson, or any other guys you CONSTANTLY talk about transferring. Please stop talking about it and just wait to see what happens. We don't want any of the players to see these false rumors.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on January 25, 2014, 06:58:43 PM
Derrick is just not a startin' point guard at this level. He is what he is. In the scheme of life, it ain't no big deal.
Well said. Seems like a good kid, capable of playing at this level but just not in that role. Backup PG, 10-15 min a game.
Quote from: Heisenberg on January 26, 2014, 09:39:56 AM
Boy are you confused ...
He was recruited over in his position in his same class. Duane is supposed to feel disrespected because we recruited a 3* PG from NM? Are we supposed to not recruit any PG until he leaves? Duane is not good enough to beat any of these guys out?
I think you're confused. Duane was, in fact, overrecruted. That's what we call it when a coach recruits another player at the same position.
Are we supposed to not recruit any PG until he leaves? No, but there's a big difference beteween recruiting another PG after Derrick graduates when Duane is a junior, and recruiting aonther one as part of the same class before he steps foot on campus.
Quote from: Heisenberg on January 26, 2014, 09:39:56 AM
Buzz has another Top 100 PG (Noskowiak) arriving in what will now be Duane's sophomore year. And Dawson will still be here (and for the next two years). Noskowiak has no problem coming knowing that Duane will be here. If Noskowiak thinks he can beat him out, then maybe Duane should transfer to Whitewater.
If Noskowiak comes to MU thinking that he will beat Duane for the starting role and lion's share of PG minutes, wouldn't you grant that its possible that Duane sees the exact same writing on the wall, making a transfer more likely?
Quote from: The Equalizer on January 26, 2014, 01:48:40 PM
I think you're confused. Duane was, in fact, overrecruted. That's what we call it when a coach recruits another player at the same position.
Are we supposed to not recruit any PG until he leaves? No, but there's a big difference beteween recruiting another PG after Derrick graduates when Duane is a junior, and recruiting aonther one as part of the same class before he steps foot on campus.
If Noskowiak comes to MU thinking that he will beat Duane for the starting role and lion's share of PG minutes, wouldn't you grant that its possible that Duane sees the exact same writing on the wall, making a transfer more likely?
I think you underestimate the amount of confidence players have in themselves. If we had landed Tyus Jones, okay, then I can see Duane being concerned about his future PT. But if Duane doesn't think he can beat out John Dawson and Nick Noskowiak for the starting gig, then he has bigger problems than his future PT.
There were a fair number of people who believed that Duane was more of a combo guard than a true point guard.
Quote from: AWegrzyn17 on January 26, 2014, 02:00:09 PM
I think you underestimate the amount of confidence players have in themselves. If we had landed Tyus Jones, okay, then I can see Duane being concerned about his future PT. But if Duane doesn't think he can beat out John Dawson and Nick Noskowiak for the starting gig, then he has bigger problems than his future PT.
Wouldn't that same confidence lead him to believe that he could save MU's season if he gave up the redshirt and took over as PG for the rest of the season?
Quote from: The Sultan of Syncopation on January 26, 2014, 02:05:21 PM
There were a fair number of people who believed that Duane was more of a combo guard than a true point guard.
The same could be said for Dawson, no ?
Quote from: willie warrior on January 26, 2014, 10:06:16 AM
I do not believe that Wilson will transfer, but with Buzzo, who really knows? There is something wrong with this RS that is not being explained. Have not heard one word from the kid, but plenty of rumors from others. Why hasn't Duane said publically that he wanted to RS? Could it be because Buzzo forced it on him? No, guess not--Buzz would never do that.
The young man does not owe you any explanation. He is a 19 year old college student. Why do you feel he owes you any comment on his situation. What he does or does not do is up to him, his family and the coaches. You have no bearing on this nor does any fan
Quote from: Utile et Dulce on January 25, 2014, 08:13:46 PM
The don't make fanatics more passionate about their team than Skat.
So spreading rumors that raise the anxiety level of the fan base during a down year is "passionate"...what dictionary are you using? I'd call it destructive.
Another option for Duane would be to transfer to a Juco...and then another four year school with three years remaining.
Not saying that I have heard anything related to that, but it is a possibility that someone in another forum mentioned.
Quote from: Goose on January 26, 2014, 10:44:29 AM
DuWil beats out Dawson by wide margin. He is far more advanced player than Dawson and highly doubt the competition is scaring him at all. The kid is high level PG and will have great D1 career.
That's a pretty bold statement. Dawson has a much better body to play at this level already - much stronger than Duane. Duane needs to add about 15 pounds. Early word out of practice was that Duane was struggling in a number of areas - Buzz said the potential is there - but that he had a LONG way to go.
Playing D-4 High School Ball in Wisconsin isn't exactly a great barometer for how a kid is going to be able to come in and contribute as a freshman right away. Dawson is a very good prospect. Think he and Duane could play really well TOGETHER moving forward..
Quote from: madtownwarrior on January 25, 2014, 04:46:52 PM
before the Villanova game I thought no way... watching Buzz trot offensively challenged lineups over and over and over - why would these kids stay...
Blind squirrels occasionally find nuts, but I see no reason why these freshman would leave if the issue is PT. So many minutes available for underclassmen next year.
John at PG.
Duane at SG.
Heck, play all 4 like Nova and we may be playing fast MU ball again.
Quote from: Heavy Gear on January 26, 2014, 02:50:03 PM
So spreading rumors that raise the anxiety level of the fan base during a down year is "passionate"...what dictionary are you using? I'd call it destructive.
Wow. You guys don't relent, do you? He had some information and shared it. He's not rooting for Duane to leave.
I know the guy and he loves Marquette University and the men's basketball team. It's really pretty funny how much malice we assign on this board.
Quote from: Utile et Dulce on January 26, 2014, 08:33:35 PM
I know the guy and he loves Marquette University and the men's basketball team. It's really pretty funny how much malice we assign on this board.
Been going on a long time around here....don't say the right thing and you're not a fan or told to cheer for someone else, etc, etc. Long long time.
Duane absolutely loves Marquette. He is the point guard of our future. The only place he's going is the NBA after a successful career at MU.
Quote from: Buzz Williams' Spillproof Chiclets Cup on January 26, 2014, 07:54:39 PM
Blind squirrels occasionally find nuts, but I see no reason why these freshman would leave if the issue is PT. So many minutes available for underclassmen next year.
Because upperclassmen gets the benefit here. We already see it this year.
Quote from: 79Warrior on January 26, 2014, 02:41:08 PM
The young man does not owe you any explanation. He is a 19 year old college student. Why do you feel he owes you any comment on his situation. What he does or does not do is up to him, his family and the coaches. You have no bearing on this nor does any fan
Her's why: Because I do not buy into the circuitous Buzzspeak--let the kid say he wanted to RS. If he doesn't the rumors/speculation continue, which is cancerous. And why do you blindly subscribe to what Buzz says? Did you buy the Brooklyn Bridge? And by the way, I never said he owes me an explanation. He owes the fans an explanation.
Quote from: THEultimateWARRIOR on January 26, 2014, 11:35:00 PM
Duane absolutely loves Marquette. He is the point guard of our future. The only place he's going is the NBA after a successful career at MU.
Now that is good news!
Quote from: Utile et Dulce on January 26, 2014, 08:33:35 PM
Wow. You guys don't relent, do you? He had some information and shared it. He's not rooting for Duane to leave.
I know the guy and he loves Marquette University and the men's basketball team. It's really pretty funny how much malice we assign on this board.
There is no real benefit for making that prediction or posting that rumor right now.
His transfer isn't imminent.
It's not really news.
It just stirs people up and ultimately could get back to the player(s), which is less than ideal.
I'm not questioning anybody's fanhood, I'm questioning their discretion.
Quote from: willie warrior on January 27, 2014, 07:32:59 AM
Her's why: Because I do not buy into the circuitous Buzzspeak--let the kid say he wanted to RS. If he doesn't the rumors/speculation continue, which is cancerous. And why do you blindly subscribe to what Buzz says? Did you buy the Brooklyn Bridge? And by the way, I never said he owes me an explanation. He owes the fans an explanation.
No he doesn't. And the explanation is pretty obvious to pretty much everyone anyway.
Quote from: The Sultan of Syncopation on January 27, 2014, 08:44:25 AM
No he doesn't. And the explanation is pretty obvious to pretty much everyone anyway.
Yeah you are right Sultan--Buzz's my way or the highway style is perfect for you. Latest dictator is OK. You do not want to hear any reason that may cast some doubt on your god and idol. Part of a coach's job is to communicate to the fans. Especially in this case. Haven't heard anything from Wilson. Wonder why? Because you say it is none of our business. With that logic of yours, then whatever Buzz does with the team, rotations, players, results, etc. is none of your business. But you do not believe it so then it is all right. And just because you say "No he doesn't" doesn't make it so. Last time I checked, you are the same guy that said Otule is our best big, then denied it, then tried to spin it. You should run for public office. Keep slurping.
Quote from: willie warrior on January 27, 2014, 09:38:13 AM
Yeah you are right Sultan--Buzz's my way or the highway style is perfect for you. Latest dictator is OK. You do not want to hear any reason that may cast some doubt on your god and idol. Part of a coach's job is to communicate to the fans. Especially in this case. Haven't heard anything from Wilson. Wonder why? Because you say it is none of our business. With that logic of yours, then whatever Buzz does with the team, rotations, players, results, etc. is none of your business. But you do not believe it so then it is all right. And just because you say "No he doesn't" doesn't make it so. Last time I checked, you are the same guy that said Otule is our best big, then denied it, then tried to spin it. You should run for public office. Keep slurping.
<sigh>
This isn't a democracy. Buzz doesn't get to rule basketball like a dictator, but he certainly doesn't owe me or anyone else a reason for why a player is redshirting. Especially considering it is relatively obvious...Duane Wilson had a stress fracture. What exactly do you want him to say?
And I love how you keep bringing up the Otule comment as if I said it yesterday. I made that comment on January 23, 2011. Here is the thread:
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=23852.msg264680#msg264680
Now clearly Ox is better now...hell is was better later on that year. But when I made the statement, it was correct. All you have to do is look at the game logs to compare.