1. Never stop recruiting, Buzz.
2. Harris?
3. Will this change Pierce's commitment?
4. Does this change the approach to getting Ellenson/Stone.
5. Does this change Ellenson/Stone's attitude toward MU?
6. I REALLY want Buzz to take the team on on overseas trip in August to get them some extra practices and extra time together. So many newcomers to bring up to speed.
I think Harris really hurt his high major cbb chances when he got kicked off the team his senior year. I'm not sure Pierce was ever anything more than a future back up. I doubt it changes Ellenson or Stone's attitude towards MU. If they don't think they can beat out Luke Fisher for playing time, then they probably aren't one and done type of players anyway. I agree... get them overseas!
Maybe I'm wrong but I think this team is a borderline NCAA team next year with or without mayo. Almost wish he doesn't come back and run with the young guys to set up a big 2016 and 2017 run.
Just tweeted. He's a Warrior!
Not sure what's going on with STjr, but this might be a positive development for him. Based on interviews, never appeared playing center was what he wanted. Keeps him at his more natural positions as an upperclassman.
1. Whoop!
2. My guess is that he is gone, but I have no inside information
3. I don't think so. I doubt Buzz would have promised him significant playing time right away. We have top 50 recruits fighting for 10 mpg, I doubt a 2.5 star really expected to come in and start
4. My guess is that we would probably only sign one of them, instead of 2. Otherwise, it doesn't change
5. Ellenson, maybe. Stone, no. A top 10 player really doesn't need to worry about who else is on the depth chart. Fischer has perimeter game, he could be a stretch 4 to Stone's 5.
6. Couldn't agree more.
BQ: Why are so many people assuming that Mayo is gone next year? Did I miss something? Or are we still on the "Mayo wore different shoes than everybody else, he must hate it here" train?
It was alsways assumed by a lot of people that Mayo does not like school and would follow Blue overseas. I have no idea, but if Harris is coming than someone is leaving. It will be interesting to see, if Buzz continues recruiting for this class? That would give us a strong indication that someone is transferring. As far as Harris wee have no idea if he is meeting any conditions Buzz might have put on him.
Quote from: bilsu on January 05, 2014, 01:27:01 PM
It will be interesting to see, if Buzz continues recruiting for this class? That would give us a strong indication that someone is transferring.
::)
WELCOME, Luuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuke!
Do we thank CTC for not cockblocking MU on this transfer?!
Quote from: 77ncaachamps on January 05, 2014, 01:50:20 PM
WELCOME, Luuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuke!
Do we thank CTC for not cockblocking MU on this transfer?!
No. He couldn't (from a PR standpoint).
Quote from: 77ncaachamps on January 05, 2014, 01:50:20 PM
WELCOME, Luuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuke!
Do we thank CTC for not cockblocking MU on this transfer?!
Sure. He coulda been a prick but this time he wasn't. Just as we would have ripped him a new one if he blocked it, he gets a thumbs-up for not doing so.
So, does this complete the trade. MU traded Crean to IU for a player to be named later and this is the player? MU came out ahead. ;D
Quote from: tower912 on January 05, 2014, 01:57:25 PM
So, does this complete the trade. MU traded Crean to IU for a player to be named later and this is the player? MU came out ahead. ;D
Not sure about MU coming out ahead. Wade/Crean took us to a final 4. Now if Fischer can do the same, then we are ahead.
Quote from: willie warrior on January 05, 2014, 03:01:28 PM
Not sure about MU coming out ahead. Wade/Crean took us to a final 4. Now if Fischer can do the same, then we are ahead.
Quote from: Jay Bee on January 05, 2014, 01:51:21 PM
No. He couldn't (from a PR standpoint).
Actually, he could have--after all he is that big of a rumdum.
Believe it or not, TC and Buzz have a great relationship and TC still loves Marquette. I'm sure once TC knew he had lost Fischer, he actually encouraged him to look at Marquette
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on January 05, 2014, 03:41:11 PM
TC still loves Marquette
He just doesn't like the Marquette Men's Soccer Team
Hey Willie are you happy about this?
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on January 05, 2014, 03:41:11 PM
Believe it or not, TC and Buzz have a great relationship and TC still loves Marquette. I'm sure once TC knew he had lost Fischer, he actually encouraged him to look at Marquette
If there is such a great relationship there, why isn't there a home and home deal--would be a natural.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on January 05, 2014, 03:41:11 PM
Believe it or not, TC and Buzz have a great relationship and TC still loves Marquette. I'm sure once TC knew he had lost Fischer, he actually encouraged him to look at Marquette
+1
Buzz has said many times that they talk all the time, almost everyday, and considers TC a close friend.
Fischer coming to MU is good for TC, they will never play (unless they meet in the tourney) so he doesn't have to worry about running into him in a future season and having him burn IU.
Quote from: willie warrior on January 05, 2014, 08:47:36 PM
If there is such a great relationship there, why isn't there a home and home deal--would be a natural.
How does that benefit IU? If they win IU nation gets about as excited as beating say NC State. If IU loses to us, it's a huge embarrassment for TC.
No upside for IU.
TC also maintains a close relationship with Dick Strong--like a father-son. TC was afraid to speak with Strong when he was taking the II, II job because he knew Strong would convince him to stay.
Quote from: Heisenberg on January 05, 2014, 08:47:59 PM
+1
Buzz has said many times that they talk all the time, almost everyday, and considers TC a close friend.
I've never heard or seen a quote from either TC or Buzz about the other guy. Link please.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on January 05, 2014, 09:14:07 PM
I've never heard or seen a quote from either TC or Buzz about the other guy. Link please.
Few years ago it was talked about here ... I assume it has not changed.
I was reading the IU blogs about the Fischer transfer. Some highlights:
- They are very bitter and feel IU is in trouble next year since they will have no front line. They feel their freshman center will go pro at the end of the year.
- Luke hurt his shoulder and missed most of the preseason. He was getting more playing time recently and they saw a lot of potential in him.
- Not that it matters, but not a lot of love for TC.
Quote from: Heisenberg on January 05, 2014, 09:17:53 PM
Few years ago it was talked about here ... I assume it has not changed.
Really? Again, I have NEVER seen or heard either of them as much as mention the other, let alone say they talk daily or are best pals. Don't for a minute believe it.
I'm hoping that Pierce will be forced to get halfway decent minutes next year in non conference games and will have some experience under his belt for conference play. Having a 6 11 guy and 6 10 guy playing at a good level would be really nice.
Assuming Duane Wilson was healthy, who wins a scrimmage right now between the these two teams:
Blue:
Otule
Gardner
J. Wilson
J. Thomas
De. Wilson
Gold:
Fischer
S. Taylor Jr.
Burton
J. Johnson
Du. Wilson
Quote from: GoldenWarrior11 on January 05, 2014, 10:13:06 PM
Assuming Duane Wilson was healthy, who wins a scrimmage right now between the these two teams:
Blue:
Otule
Gardner
J. Wilson
J. Thomas
De. Wilson
Gold:
Fischer
S. Taylor Jr.
Burton
J. Johnson
Du. Wilson
Too soon to say for sure, but of course the only player who may not end up as good (or much better, of course) as the one he is guarding is Steve. But he still has plenty of potential left. I could definitely see the Gold team winning now anyway.
Quote from: GoldenWarrior11 on January 05, 2014, 10:13:06 PM
Assuming Duane Wilson was healthy, who wins a scrimmage right now between the these two teams:
Blue:
Otule
Gardner
J. Wilson
J. Thomas
De. Wilson
Gold:
Fischer
S. Taylor Jr.
Burton
J. Johnson
Du. Wilson
Playing today...is that a serious questions. Blue wins handily...a year or two from now I'd take Gold
Quote from: Lennys Tap on January 05, 2014, 09:43:03 PM
Really? Again, I have NEVER seen or heard either of them as much as mention the other, let alone say they talk daily or are best pals. Don't for a minute believe it.
Why not? TC did bring Buzz to MU, I'm sure Buzz is very appreciative of that...and has no reason to hold the grudge that most here do. Doesn't seem too difficult to believe to me.
Quote from: Heisenberg on January 05, 2014, 08:51:45 PM
How does that benefit IU? If they win IU nation gets about as excited as beating say NC State. If IU loses to us, it's a huge embarrassment for TC.
No upside for IU.
Who cares about IU. And I guess the position is that there is no benefit for any team to play MU. Crean still recruits in Wisc., so there could be a benefit there. MU is in the Midwest along with Indiana so there would be interest there.
Quote from: willie warrior on January 06, 2014, 08:07:20 AM
Who cares about IU. And I guess the position is that there is no benefit for any team to play MU. Crean still recruits in Wisc., so there could be a benefit there. MU is in the Midwest along with Indiana so there would be interest there.
He already plays UW and Northwestern.
Quote from: GoldenWarrior11 on January 05, 2014, 10:13:06 PM
Assuming Duane Wilson was healthy, who wins a scrimmage right now between the these two teams:
Blue:
Otule
Gardner
J. Wilson
J. Thomas
De. Wilson
Gold:
Fischer
S. Taylor Jr.
Burton
J. Johnson
Du. Wilson
Assuming Duane and S. Taylor Jr. were both healthy, Blue would win. The only person on Gold to even score would be Burton, the rest would just get shut down.
For people who saw Fischer play in high school, how good is he? What is his ceiling? I have read that he is fundamentally sound, shoots well out to 15 ft, runs the floor well, finishes well around the basket with either hand. What are his weaknesses? I know that he hurt his shoulder during preseason workouts at IU. Was that the reason his early season numbers weren't spectacular?
Quote from: tower912 on January 05, 2014, 01:57:25 PM
So, does this complete the trade. MU traded Crean to IU for a player to be named later and this is the player? MU came out ahead. ;D
There were also cash considerations. Valley Fields gave up 100k in this deal.
Quote from: willie warrior on January 05, 2014, 03:01:28 PM
Not sure about MU coming out ahead. Wade/Crean took us to a final 4. Now if Fischer can do the same, then we are ahead.
Of course, we did. Wade is ANOTHER GUARD! WE NEED FOUR STAR+ BIGS!!!!!
Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on January 06, 2014, 06:56:15 AM
Why not? TC did bring Buzz to MU, I'm sure Buzz is very appreciative of that...and has no reason to hold the grudge that most here do. Doesn't seem too difficult to believe to me.
I'm sure Buzz is appreciative but what does that have to do with being best friends who talk daily? They are very different people.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on January 06, 2014, 09:55:48 AM
I'm sure Buzz is appreciative but what does that have to do with being best friends who talk daily? They are very different people.
I know this is nitpicky, but do you actually know these guys personally?
Buzz is certainly more likable than TC, but that doesn't mean they can't be close friends.
I watched Luke's AAU videos. Good hands, nice touch, finishes with either hand, nice help defender, needs to get stronger, doesn't finish strong through contact. The first two are vital, the second come with age, experience, body filling out. A couple of months wrestling with Otule and Gardner while working with Todd Smith can potentially work wonders with this kid. A really great foundation has been set. If he is able to build on it, he could be the most complete MU big since......uhhhhhhhh.......damn. I understand the IU faithful comparing him to Zeller.
Footwork looked really good as well. Good base for them to build on.
Quote from: Guns n Ammo on January 06, 2014, 10:05:51 AM
I know this is nitpicky, but do you actually know these guys personally?
Buzz is certainly more likable than TC, but that doesn't mean they can't be close friends.
Crean is very close to Calipari, who has a radically different personality and outlook on the game, so I'd agree it's not far-fetched that Buzz and Crean remain in contact.
Quote from: tower912 on January 06, 2014, 10:30:51 AM
I watched Luke's AAU videos. Good hands, nice touch, finishes with either hand, nice help defender, needs to get stronger, doesn't finish strong through contact. The first two are vital, the second come with age, experience, body filling out. A couple of months wrestling with Otule and Gardner while working with Todd Smith can potentially work wonders with this kid. A really great foundation has been set. If he is able to build on it, he could be the most complete MU big since......uhhhhhhhh.......damn. I understand the IU faithful comparing him to Zeller.
I didnt want to mention this earlier but yes, many of the local Hoosiers I work with had started comparing him to Zeller.
*fingers crossed*
Quote from: muarmy81 on January 06, 2014, 11:00:00 AM
I didnt want to mention this earlier but yes, many of the local Hoosiers I work with had started comparing him to Zeller.
*fingers crossed*
That is probably more so due to looks. Luke looks exactly like Zeller in the Indiana uni's. Like spitting image.
Quote from: Guns n Ammo on January 06, 2014, 10:05:51 AM
I know this is nitpicky, but do you actually know these guys personally?
Buzz is certainly more likable than TC, but that doesn't mean they can't be close friends.
Only a little. I don't have any "inside info" on their relationship.
My point is that TAMU and Heisenberg have stated as fact that they are best buds who talk daily. Heisenberg claims that fact was established on Scoop years ago. That was never the case as far as I can recall.
Is it possible that they're BFF's who have each other on speed dial? I guess, but to me it's unlikely and I've certainly never heard it. Less than 2 years ago, Crean said the only guys offering encouragement to him when things were tough at IU were Izzo and his new best buddy John Calipari. When Buzz refers to TC it's "the guys who were here before us" or "coach Crean". Not disrespectful, but not warm.
One other thing. Rest assured that if there was evidence that they are close Chicos and his minions would have shared it with us ad nauseam as "proof" that TC is a good guy. Every time a sportswriter, coach or former player says anything remotely positive about the guy it's published as gospel here.
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on January 06, 2014, 11:02:35 AM
That is probably more so due to looks. Luke looks exactly like Zeller in the Indiana uni's. Like spitting image.
So he'll be MU's very own "Big Handsome" minus the huge and oft broken proboscis.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on January 06, 2014, 11:13:29 AM
Only a little. I don't have any "inside info" on their relationship.
My point is that TAMU and Heisenberg have stated as fact that they are best buds who talk daily. Heisenberg claims that fact was established on Scoop years ago. That was never the case as far as I can recall.
Is it possible that they're BFF's who have each other on speed dial? I guess, but to me it's unlikely and I've certainly never heard it. Less than 2 years ago, Crean said the only guys offering encouragement to him when things were tough at IU were Izzo and his new best buddy John Calipari. When Buzz refers to TC it's "the guys who were here before us" or "coach Crean". Not disrespectful, but not warm.
One other thing. Rest assured that if there was evidence that they are close Chicos and his minions would have shared it with us ad nauseam as "proof" that TC is a good guy. Every time a sportswriter, coach or former player says anything remotely positive about the guy it's published as gospel here.
What good does it do CTC for CTC to mention little old Buzz Williams when he's got much bigger names to drop? Doesn't mean anything other than CTC being CTC.
Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on January 06, 2014, 11:27:45 AM
What good does it do CTC for CTC to mention little old Buzz Williams when he's got much bigger names to drop? Doesn't mean anything other than CTC being CTC.
I agree, Warrior, but it's that very quality of TC's that would make Buzz, at least in private, cringe.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on January 06, 2014, 11:13:29 AM
Only a little. I don't have any "inside info" on their relationship.
My point is that TAMU and Heisenberg have stated as fact that they are best buds who talk daily. Heisenberg claims that fact was established on Scoop years ago. That was never the case as far as I can recall.
Is it possible that they're BFF's who have each other on speed dial? I guess, but to me it's unlikely and I've certainly never heard it. Less than 2 years ago, Crean said the only guys offering encouragement to him when things were tough at IU were Izzo and his new best buddy John Calipari. When Buzz refers to TC it's "the guys who were here before us" or "coach Crean". Not disrespectful, but not warm.
One other thing. Rest assured that if there was evidence that they are close Chicos and his minions would have shared it with us ad nauseam as "proof" that TC is a good guy. Every time a sportswriter, coach or former player says anything remotely positive about the guy it's published as gospel here.
That's fair... they may or may not be close. I have no idea.
I'm just responding specifically to the ideas that:
A. The average fan knows who these coaches really are (we all have fun speculating, but we don't really know these guys)
And
B. The implication that people who are very different can't be close friends
Quote from: bilsu on January 05, 2014, 01:27:01 PM
It was alsways assumed by a lot of people that Mayo does not like school and would follow Blue overseas. I have no idea, but if Harris is coming than someone is leaving. It will be interesting to see, if Buzz continues recruiting for this class? That would give us a strong indication that someone is transferring. As far as Harris wee have no idea if he is meeting any conditions Buzz might have put on him.
It could be Juan Anderson and it would me happy. I wouldn't find if he transferred out.
Buzz gave a coaching speech to my buddy's sales division a couple years ago -
My friend, who has no affiliation with MU, said the one thing he took from him was how connected Buzz was. Buzz said he either calls or writes a handwritten note to someone from his past (a mentor, someone he's helped, etc) every single day.
So I'm sure him and Crean talk. Maybe not everyday, but I see no reason they don't.
Juan is going to be vital next year. Senior glue guys who turn into leaders are priceless.
Quote from: tower912 on January 06, 2014, 12:04:16 PM
Juan is going to be vital next year. Senior glue guys who turn into leaders are priceless.
I totally agree.
Juan 2015 = Lockett 2013
Quote from: MarsupialMadness on January 06, 2014, 11:48:55 AM
Buzz gave a coaching speech to my buddy's sales division a couple years ago -
My friend, who has no affiliation with MU, said the one thing he took from him was how connected Buzz was. Buzz said he either calls or writes a handwritten note to someone from his past (a mentor, someone he's helped, etc) every single day.
So I'm sure him and Crean talk. Maybe not everyday, but I see no reason they don't.
A.Buzz calls or write someone from his past every day
B.Tom Crean is from Buzz's past
C.Ergo, you're sure buzz and TC talk
False syllogism.
I just don't think it's as far fetched of an idea as you make it sound.
I'm 95% sure I remember a published Buzz comment that him and TC still talk every few weeks. I tried searching for it, and haven't found it yet. However, I am fairly certain it was said.
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/one-one-buzz-williams-133300832--ncaab.html
QuoteA: We share texts and voicemails. We don't talk every day or anything like that. I know he's doing an outstanding job down there. I'm happy for any success that they have. He's part of the reason why this program is in the condition it is in. I never try to take credit for how this program got to this point, because I didn't have anything to do with it. It's all about what Coach Crean had done the previous nine years, not to mention what all the coaches before him had done. I just want to make sure I'm accountable for what happens beyond this point.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on January 06, 2014, 02:10:58 PM
A.Buzz calls or write someone from his past every day
B.Tom Crean is from Buzz's past
C.Ergo, you're sure buzz and TC talk
False syllogism.
Well, actually an invalid argument. You can have valued logical arguments with completely false statements. But the argument is valid.
Quote from: MarsupialMadness on January 06, 2014, 02:29:51 PM
I just don't think it's as far fetched of an idea as you make it sound.
I didn't say it was far fetched. You're the one who is "sure", not me.
Is it sorta weird or super weird that you guys are debating the nature and extent of the friendship/bromance between two men none of you know?
Quote from: Pakuni on January 06, 2014, 02:58:20 PM
Is it sorta weird or super weird that you guys are debating the nature and extent of the friendship/bromance between two men none of you know?
TAMU stated that Buzz has "stated many times that they talk all the time, almost every day, and that they share a close friendship". The fact is he hasn't said that once, let alone many times.
There is one person over his career for whom Buzz took a demotion to work for: Tom Crean.
Every other move--from student asssistant at Navarro to head coach at UNO was an upward move.
And please don't even claim UNO's slow post-Katrina recovery as justification--it was neither so bad that Buzz couldn't have worked with the situation for another year (and received major props in coaching circles for fighting for his players in a very challenging situation), nor was Marquette the employer of last resort and his only option.
And in making this move, Buzz took two major risks
--he would probably not get another shot at a D1 head coaching job (short of promotion) for the foreseeable future. And Buzz has admitted this himself. ADs are understandibly skittish about hiring a guy who quit his last D1 job after only one season.
--he subjected himself to hundreds of thousands of dollars in possible buyout costs because he never bothered to actually challenge UNO on any of the alleged contract breaches--he simply quit before bringing forth any legal challenge.
Its hard to accept that there isn't some relationship between him and Crean--nobody makes the types of moves with the size of the risks that Buzz did without having a very strong relationship with the guy hiring him.
If Buzz were out of work, yeah, fine, you could argue he took the job out of convenience and didn't hold Crean in high regard. But Buzz wasn't out of work--he had a multi-year contract with an outstanding first recruiting class.
And then one has to consider which of his assistants did Crean recommend to MU as his replacement. Not Buckely. Not Seltzer.
Is that "proof"? No. But its at least a common sense basis that they still speak. At one point Buzz felt strongly enough about Crean that he took a huge career risk to work for him, and subsequently Crean recommended him to MU for the open head coaching job. That doesnt' sound like the actions of two parties disinterested in one another.
Quote from: The Equalizer on January 06, 2014, 03:43:53 PM
There is one person over his career for whom Buzz took a demotion to work for: Tom Crean.
Every other move--from student asssistant at Navarro to head coach at UNO was an upward move.
And please don't even claim UNO's slow post-Katrina recovery as justification--it was neither so bad that Buzz couldn't have worked with the situation for another year (and received major props in coaching circles for fighting for his players in a very challenging situation), nor was Marquette the employer of last resort and his only option.
And in making this move, Buzz took two major risks
--he would probably not get another shot at a D1 head coaching job (short of promotion) for the foreseeable future. And Buzz has admitted this himself. ADs are understandibly skittish about hiring a guy who quit his last D1 job after only one season.
--he subjected himself to hundreds of thousands of dollars in possible buyout costs because he never bothered to actually challenge UNO on any of the alleged contract breaches--he simply quit before bringing forth any legal challenge.
Its hard to accept that there isn't some relationship between him and Crean--nobody makes the types of moves with the size of the risks that Buzz did without having a very strong relationship with the guy hiring him.
If Buzz were out of work, yeah, fine, you could argue he took the job out of convenience and didn't hold Crean in high regard. But Buzz wasn't out of work--he had a multi-year contract with an outstanding first recruiting class.
And then one has to consider which of his assistants did Crean recommend to MU as his replacement. Not Buckely. Not Seltzer.
Is that "proof"? No. But its at least a common sense basis that they still speak. At one point Buzz felt strongly enough about Crean that he took a huge career risk to work for him, and subsequently Crean recommended him to MU for the open head coaching job. That doesnt' sound like the actions of two parties disinterested in one another.
(http://johannasvisions.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/Joni-Mitchell1.jpg)
Quote from: Lennys Tap on January 06, 2014, 03:12:42 PM
TAMU stated that Buzz has "stated many times that they talk all the time, almost every day, and that they share a close friendship". The fact is he hasn't said that once, let alone many times.
Buzz works very hard on relationships. I do not remember the number but he writes several letters a month to other coaches.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on January 06, 2014, 03:12:42 PM
TAMU stated that Buzz has "stated many times that they talk all the time, almost every day, and that they share a close friendship". The fact is he hasn't said that once, let alone many times.
You know everything Buzz has ever said?
And .... who cares? Why is important to you that Buzz not be friendly with Crean? Would that force you to reconsider your view of Crean? Of Buzz? Why would anyone care either way? Maybe they despise one another. Why does it matter?
Is this the dumbest Crean/Buzz tangent ever?
Seriously, we're arguing if they still talk? Can we just make "Crean" a curse word that gets auto-blocked like....unnatural carnal knowledge.
Quote from: Aughnanure on January 06, 2014, 04:57:13 PM
Is this the dumbest Crean/Buzz tangent ever?
Seriously, we're arguing if they still talk? Can we just make "Crean" a curse word that gets auto-blocked like....unnatural carnal knowledge.
Yes. Can we go back to the "demise of scoop thread?"
Quote from: Pakuni on January 06, 2014, 04:52:25 PM
You know everything Buzz has ever said?
And .... who cares? Why is important to you that Buzz not be friendly with Crean? Would that force you to reconsider your view of Crean? Of Buzz? Why would anyone care either way? Maybe they despise one another. Why does it matter?
It's not "important to me that Buzz not be friendly with Crean", but when TAMU or anyone else claims as fact information that isn't true about an MU coach, player, etc. chances are he'll get called on it. Sorry if his misstatement doesn't rise to a level fit for calling out on your personal importance-o-meter. From here on out I'll run everything by you before posting.
Quote from: Gato78 on January 05, 2014, 08:56:21 PM
TC also maintains a close relationship with Dick Strong--like a father-son. TC was afraid to speak with Strong when he was taking the II, II job because he knew Strong would convince him to stay.
Funny how you never hear about how Crean has befriended the janitor or paid the school fees of the admin assistant's child. But have some celebrity, personal wealth, or political power and Tanned Tommy's on you like stink on sh1t. What a self-serving jackass.
I bet Crean stops talking to Buzz over our illegal recruitment of Luke Fischer.
/gasOnTheFire
Quote from: Lennys Tap on January 06, 2014, 05:27:02 PM
It's not "important to me that Buzz not be friendly with Crean", but when TAMU or anyone else claims as fact information that isn't true about an MU coach, player, etc. chances are he'll get called on it. Sorry if his misstatement doesn't rise to a level fit for calling out on your personal importance-o-meter. From here on out I'll run everything by you before posting.
That's long overdue.
Quote from: The Equalizer on January 06, 2014, 03:43:53 PM
There is one person over his career for whom Buzz took a demotion to work for: Tom Crean.
Every other move--from student asssistant at Navarro to head coach at UNO was an upward move.
And please don't even claim UNO's slow post-Katrina recovery as justification--it was neither so bad that Buzz couldn't have worked with the situation for another year (and received major props in coaching circles for fighting for his players in a very challenging situation), nor was Marquette the employer of last resort and his only option.
And in making this move, Buzz took two major risks
--he would probably not get another shot at a D1 head coaching job (short of promotion) for the foreseeable future. And Buzz has admitted this himself. ADs are understandibly skittish about hiring a guy who quit his last D1 job after only one season.
--he subjected himself to hundreds of thousands of dollars in possible buyout costs because he never bothered to actually challenge UNO on any of the alleged contract breaches--he simply quit before bringing forth any legal challenge.
Its hard to accept that there isn't some relationship between him and Crean--nobody makes the types of moves with the size of the risks that Buzz did without having a very strong relationship with the guy hiring him.
If Buzz were out of work, yeah, fine, you could argue he took the job out of convenience and didn't hold Crean in high regard. But Buzz wasn't out of work--he had a multi-year contract with an outstanding first recruiting class.
And then one has to consider which of his assistants did Crean recommend to MU as his replacement. Not Buckely. Not Seltzer.
Is that "proof"? No. But its at least a common sense basis that they still speak. At one point Buzz felt strongly enough about Crean that he took a huge career risk to work for him, and subsequently Crean recommended him to MU for the open head coaching job. That doesnt' sound like the actions of two parties disinterested in one another.
Joani tells it like it is!
Quote from: The Equalizer on January 06, 2014, 03:43:53 PM
There is one person over his career for whom Buzz took a demotion to work for: Tom Crean.
Every other move--from student asssistant at Navarro to head coach at UNO was an upward move.
And please don't even claim UNO's slow post-Katrina recovery as justification--it was neither so bad that Buzz couldn't have worked with the situation for another year (and received major props in coaching circles for fighting for his players in a very challenging situation), nor was Marquette the employer of last resort and his only option.
And in making this move, Buzz took two major risks
--he would probably not get another shot at a D1 head coaching job (short of promotion) for the foreseeable future. And Buzz has admitted this himself. ADs are understandibly skittish about hiring a guy who quit his last D1 job after only one season.
--he subjected himself to hundreds of thousands of dollars in possible buyout costs because he never bothered to actually challenge UNO on any of the alleged contract breaches--he simply quit before bringing forth any legal challenge.
Its hard to accept that there isn't some relationship between him and Crean--nobody makes the types of moves with the size of the risks that Buzz did without having a very strong relationship with the guy hiring him.
If Buzz were out of work, yeah, fine, you could argue he took the job out of convenience and didn't hold Crean in high regard. But Buzz wasn't out of work--he had a multi-year contract with an outstanding first recruiting class.
And then one has to consider which of his assistants did Crean recommend to MU as his replacement. Not Buckely. Not Seltzer.
Is that "proof"? No. But its at least a common sense basis that they still speak. At one point Buzz felt strongly enough about Crean that he took a huge career risk to work for him, and subsequently Crean recommended him to MU for the open head coaching job. That doesnt' sound like the actions of two parties disinterested in one another.
You are truly
delusional. Yes, Buzz did not quit his first head coaching job to become an assistant for Tom Crean. The proof is the risk factors that you yourself point out that such a moronic decision would entail. Nor is Buzz the kind of person to walk away from a commitment like he had accepted at UNO without seeing that he had been misled regarding the University's commitment to the program. In your universe, Buzz is the kind of man to coach kids for a year, recruit kids to come into his program and then leaves them high and dry for the opportunity to trash his reputation, walk away from his dream since he starting coaching (leading his own Division I program), take a pay cut, move his family to a part of the country unknown to him, all for the wonderment of being an assistant to Tom Crean. I suppose in the Equalizer universe, Crean already knew that Sampson would be fired and that 4I's would hire him as the next coach. Evidently, he also knew that Buzz would be willing to quit UNO in order to get the MU job a year down the road, so he called Buzz to set the whole plot in motion.
Quote from: BrewCity BallCrusher on January 06, 2014, 12:44:30 PM
I totally agree.
Juan 2015 = Lockett 2013
Except Trent actually did something. Points, assists, rebounds. So Juan is kinda like Trent in the way that Honda Civic is a BMW M3.
Quote from: setyoursightsnorth on January 06, 2014, 06:37:50 PM
Except Trent actually did something. Points, assists, rebounds. So Juan is kinda like Trent in the way that Honda Civic is a BMW M3.
So Juan is more reliable and gets better mileage than Trent?
Barely knew eachother -- and are not close now.
Hope all is well --
Jeff Goodman
Sent from my iPhone
On Jan 6, 2014, at 6:44 PM, Tony House <anthonykhouse@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Jeff,
As our designated expert on all things Buzz Williams, settle a dispute between 2 Marquette fans. My friend claims that Buzz and Tom Crean are close going way back. He says that's why William's took a "demotion" to come to Marquette and that they remain in almost daily communication to this day. I think they barely knew each other before Buzz came to MU and he didn't view it as a demotion but an escape from an untenable situation at UNO. Further, my impression is that their relationship, while cordial, is not close. What's the real deal?
Thanks,
Tony
Bottom is my email to Jeff Goodman. Above it is his response. Hope this clears things up for those who care (TAMU, Heisenberg, equalizer, etc.). Others please disregard.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on January 06, 2014, 07:10:10 PM
Barely knew eachother -- and are not close now.
Hope all is well --
Jeff Goodman
Sent from my iPhone
On Jan 6, 2014, at 6:44 PM, Tony House <anthonykhouse@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Jeff,
As our designated expert on all things Buzz Williams, settle a dispute between 2 Marquette fans. My friend claims that Buzz and Tom Crean are close going way back. He says that's why William's took a "demotion" to come to Marquette and that they remain in almost daily communication to this day. I think they barely knew each other before Buzz came to MU and he didn't view it as a demotion but an escape from an untenable situation at UNO. Further, my impression is that their relationship, while cordial, is not close. What's the real deal?
Thanks,
Tony
Bottom is my email to Jeff Goodman. Above it is his response. Hope this clears things up for those who care (TAMU, Heisenberg, equalizer, etc.). Others please disregard.
Out-f#cking-Standing!
Quote from: keefe on January 06, 2014, 06:57:01 PM
So Juan is more reliable and gets better mileage than Trent?
Very, very clever. That one is a basic player, or vehicle in this case, and the other is a high octane individual that gives you a thrill and better driving experience (or stats in this case).
Quote from: setyoursightsnorth on January 06, 2014, 07:42:11 PM
Very, very clever. That one is a basic player, or vehicle in this case, and the other is a high octane individual that gives you a thrill and better driving experience (or stats in this case).
Minute per minute, Juan gets more points, rebounds, assists and steals as a junior than Trent did as a senior....
Quote from: Lennys Tap on January 06, 2014, 03:12:42 PM
TAMU stated that Buzz has "stated many times that they talk all the time, almost every day, and that they share a close friendship". The fact is he hasn't said that once, let alone many times.
I said they have a great relationship. I have no idea how often they talk.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on January 06, 2014, 09:50:28 PM
I said they have a great relationship. I have no idea how often they talk.
Jeff Goodman would disagree with that statement. Not surprised Buzz Williams would put some distance between himself and the Bronzed Beast. No one likes to get the stench on them, really.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on January 06, 2014, 09:50:28 PM
I said they have a great relationship. I have no idea how often they talk.
Apologies, TAMU. It was Heisenberg (expanding on your assertion that they have a great relationship and TC likely steered Fischer Buzz's way) who claimed that Buzz had said many times that they talk almost daily.
But either way, you, Heisenberg, Equalizer and others have imagined a relationship that according to Buzz's closest confidant in the media never existed. What's the source of your facts/opinion?
Quote from: GooooMarquette on January 06, 2014, 08:38:20 PM
Minute per minute, Juan gets more points, rebounds, assists and steals as a junior than Trent did as a senior....
Trent also played more and got more minutes, so that accounts for the skew.
Quote from: setyoursightsnorth on January 06, 2014, 10:19:44 PM
Trent also played more and got more minutes, so that accounts for the skew.
One thing Juan needs to do is cut down on his fouls.
He paints himself in a corner by picking up fouls quickly.
There's no doubting his energy, bloodhound nose for the ball around the rim, and a stroke that needs to be displayed more, but Trent played smarter and controlled his fouls situations.
Quote from: setyoursightsnorth on January 06, 2014, 10:19:44 PM
Trent also played more and got more minutes, so that accounts for the skew.
So the "skew" is Trent from having more empty minutes? Ummmm, OK.
I love Trent - he's a great kid and came on strong at the end. But I'll take Juan. And he still has a season to go.
Quote from: GooooMarquette on January 06, 2014, 11:01:13 PM
So the "skew" is Trent from having more empty minutes? Ummmm, OK.
I love Trent - he's a great kid and came on strong at the end. But I'll take Juan. And he still has a season to go.
I don't understand why anyone is so high on Juan. He's completely replaceable. I would take Trent in a heartbeat because while heart is important, in the end, the team that wins is the one that scores more. Trent, in one year, made a bigger impact that Juan will make in 4 years. I've been a part of teams and have had both standouts and ones that are "glue" guys, and from my experience, I didn't mind seeing the glue guys graduate. Someone took their spot. Replacing someone that scored a consistent amount of goals (I played water polo in high school) is much more difficult than someone who just fills in a body. So back to my original point, after all these commits and transfers that are coming in, I wouldn't be surprised if Juan transfers.
Quote from: setyoursightsnorth on January 07, 2014, 12:50:31 AM
...I wouldn't be surprised if Juan transfers.
I would be very surprised. If he was going to transfer, last year would have been the year to do it. Someone would likely have to give him two years of scholarship for one year of play. I personally like him as a solid rebounder and an energy guy off the bench and am happy to have him stay. He needs the freedom to take the wide open 3.
Quote from: GooooMarquette on January 06, 2014, 11:01:13 PM
So the "skew" is Trent from having more empty minutes? Ummmm, OK.
I love Trent - he's a great kid and came on strong at the end. But I'll take Juan. And he still has a season to go.
Juan has more upside than Trent. He is MUCH more athletic and, when he's confidently stepping into his shot, has a better touch.
However ...
Juan tends to play out of control. He seems to try to make himself go in several directions at once. It often appears he doesn't "think" a good game. Those are all correctable, although I would have thought he'd be in a little better control by his junior year.
Scott Skiles was once asked about the energy young Bulls forward Tyrus Thomas brought. Skiles replied that some guys are good at displaying energy without that energy really translating to success on the court. "Flying around for the sake of flying around."
I'm not saying that's all Juan does, but if he channeled his considerable energy a little better, he could be more like Lockett -- except better!
Quote from: setyoursightsnorth on January 07, 2014, 12:50:31 AM
I don't understand why anyone is so high on Juan. He's completely replaceable. I would take Trent in a heartbeat because while heart is important, in the end, the team that wins is the one that scores more. Trent, in one year, made a bigger impact that Juan will make in 4 years. I've been a part of teams and have had both standouts and ones that are "glue" guys, and from my experience, I didn't mind seeing the glue guys graduate. Someone took their spot. Replacing someone that scored a consistent amount of goals (I played water polo in high school) is much more difficult than someone who just fills in a body. So back to my original point, after all these commits and transfers that are coming in, I wouldn't be surprised if Juan transfers.
Funny, but you praise Trent and then call Juan a "glue guy" whom you won't mind seeing graduate...but Trent played 26.6 mpg last season and averaged 7 ppg, 5.1 rpg, 1.8 apg and 0.7 spg - pretty similar to Juan's numbers and a classic example of a "glue guy."
Trent was not a star - far from it - but he was a great addition as a glue guy.
Quote from: GooooMarquette on January 07, 2014, 08:07:35 AM
Funny, but you praise Trent and then call Juan a "glue guy" whom you won't mind seeing graduate...but Trent played 26.6 mpg last season and averaged 7 ppg, 5.1 rpg, 1.8 apg and 0.7 spg - pretty similar to Juan's numbers and a classic example of a "glue guy."
Trent was not a star - far from it - but he was a great addition as a glue guy.
Trent was more than a glue guy. He was a leader on that team. He came up big when it was necessary. Juan? I don't have any faith in him whatsoever in tight situations.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on January 06, 2014, 10:08:33 PM
Apologies, TAMU. It was Heisenberg (expanding on your assertion that they have a great relationship and TC likely steered Fischer Buzz's way) who claimed that Buzz had said many times that they talk almost daily.
But either way, you, Heisenberg, Equalizer and others have imagined a relationship that according to Buzz's closest confidant in the media never existed. What's the source of your facts/opinion?
TC didn't steer Luke MU's way. Buzz knew the Fischers when he was recruiting Luke. I'm sure TC said some nice things about MU, but this is about 99% on Buzz and about 1% on TC...and I am being generous to TC.
And while I am sure they are cordial with one another and absolutely have no reason to have a poor relationship, I have heard from others that they aren't close. (And no keefe, Buzz isn't "putting some distance" between him and TC. If you worked with a guy you barely knew for a year, you probably wouldn't have much of a relationship with them a few years later either.)
Quote from: setyoursightsnorth on January 07, 2014, 08:56:14 AM
Trent was more than a glue guy. He was a leader on that team. He came up big when it was necessary. Juan? I don't have any faith in him whatsoever in tight situations.
The team leader was Junior, with Vander and Jamil being our "go-to" guys in tight situations. I liked Trent a lot - had an opportunity to meet him at he Sweet Sixteen, and he was the nicest, most polite guy you'd ever want to meet. But he was neither the team leader or go-to guy. He was a very effective glue guy.
Trent made some nice plays down the stretch in tight games...but they were usually rebounds - the same kinds of nice plays Juan makes when he is in.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on January 06, 2014, 10:08:33 PM
Apologies, TAMU. It was Heisenberg (expanding on your assertion that they have a great relationship and TC likely steered Fischer Buzz's way) who claimed that Buzz had said many times that they talk almost daily.
But either way, you, Heisenberg, Equalizer and others have imagined a relationship that according to Buzz's closest confidant in the media never existed. What's the source of your facts/opinion?
Lenny, I have no idea why you're so exercised about this topic. Why does it upset that buzz and TC might have been friends?
All I said was I remember reading that here in the first year or so of Buzz's HC tenure. So 2008 or 2009. I seem to recall Buzz saying they talked regularly on the phone. That is all.
This whole stupid thread.
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The ripples from Fischer coming to MU is that it gives something to sell to recruits after this season, which right now appears to be a disappointment. It is important to be able to sell success. Buzz can offset this year by selling that he has another top class coming in, plus a redshirt freshmen and a mid-season transfer. Add to that a healthy Taylor and Buzz can put out a very positive vibe to next years potential recruits.
Quote from: Heisenberg on January 07, 2014, 09:41:36 AM
Lenny, I have no idea why you're so exercised about this topic. Why does it upset that buzz and TC might have been friends?
All I said was I remember reading that here in the first year or so of Buzz's HC tenure. So 2008 or 2009. I seem to recall Buzz saying they talked regularly on the phone. That is all.
It wouldn't so much upset me as it would surprise me. But why are you trying to make this about me?
You made something up out of whole cloth - "Buzz has said many times that they talk all the time, almost every day, and (he) considers TC a close friend".
Your unequivocal and declarative statement didn't ring true to me. As a fan of MU and Buzz I'm interested in what he has to say and I didn't recall Buzz saying any such thing even once, let alone many times.
You respond vaguely about an old Scoop thread. Another poster weighs in, saying that Buzz and TC were close before Buzz even arrived at MU - otherwise Buzz never would have come here. That also is at odds with my recollection, so I email Jeff Goodman of ESPN.
He confirms that Buzz barely knew TC when he came to Marquette and that they are not close even today.
You backtrack, now stating "I seem to recall Buzz saying that they talked regularly on the phone" 5 or 6 years ago. "That is all".
Well, that is not all - it's very different. Your original statement carried no "seem" or "recall". It was stated as fact. It turns out it's fiction, a fiction that you and others seem vested in. Why?
So when do we have definitive info on how much eligibility Fischer will have left? It sounds like 2 1/2 years from what most are saying. That kind of sucks for him--so he will only have played 3 full year if that is accurate? Of course, there are plenty of NCAA rules that do not make much sense.
Quote from: willie warrior on January 07, 2014, 11:31:53 AM
So when do we have definitive info on how much eligibility Fischer will have left? It sounds like 2 1/2 years from what most are saying. That kind of sucks for him--so he will only have played 3 full year if that is accurate? Of course, there are plenty of NCAA rules that do not make much sense.
He will get 2.5 years unless he gets some sort of waiver from the NCAA, which is highly unlikely.
Why is Jeff Goodman the arbiter of the Crean and Buzz relationship? How would he know what their relationship is? Are Buzz and Goodman on speed dial on their iphones? Do they text everyday? Is Goodman Buzz's spokesman now? Or is he just a reporter that Buzz sometimes talks to?
Quote from: The Sultan of Syncopation on January 07, 2014, 09:04:04 AM
TC didn't steer Luke MU's way. Buzz knew the Fischers when he was recruiting Luke. I'm sure TC said some nice things about MU, but this is about 99% on Buzz and about 1% on TC...and I am being generous to TC.
And while I am sure they are cordial with one another and absolutely have no reason to have a poor relationship, I have heard from others that they aren't close. (And no keefe, Buzz isn't "putting some distance" between him and TC. If you worked with a guy you barely knew for a year, you probably wouldn't have much of a relationship with them a few years later either.)
I don't know if this is completely accurate. My media buddy says that Buzz and Crean are pretty friendly and that Crean wasn't happy about the transfer, but "it made his day" that he got a) he got stick it to Bo by not going to WI and b) he got to stick it to Bo again when he chose MU. I don't know what role Crean played, but from all that I'm hearing, Luke thought WI might be a possibility (and his first choice) and it was clearly was not. He is buddies with Showalter, Koenig and Dekker, so it makes sense. The press release, "out of respect for Coach Crean . . ." was laughable. There is a story on the whole thing which is yet to come out.
Quote from: Aughnanure on January 07, 2014, 09:54:13 AM
This whole stupid thread.
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About right!
Quote from: Norm on January 07, 2014, 11:56:37 AM
Why is Jeff Goodman the arbiter of the Crean and Buzz relationship? How would he know what their relationship is? Are Buzz and Goodman on speed dial on their iphones? Do they text everyday? Is Goodman Buzz's spokesman now? Or is he just a reporter that Buzz sometimes talks to?
Because people on Scoop who follow college basketball would accept him as such. They are close enough that everyone from Chicos to Ners acknowledges that when Jeff Goodman speaks about Buzz it's as good as Buzz speaking about Buzz. If you prefer a source who's never met either BW or TC but thinks he remembers other guys who have never met them either saying something about it 5 years ago by all means go ahead.
Quote from: GooooMarquette on January 06, 2014, 08:38:20 PM
Minute per minute, Juan gets more points, rebounds, assists and steals as a junior than Trent did as a senior....
Not arguing with your statement but stats were never what made Trent valuable. He did all the little things, like cut off the opponents trailer on the break. What he did won ball games. Astute basketball minds point these plays out. (I am not an astute basketball mind, but I know a couple)
Let's face it. Juan is not very likely to be a 15 7 guy as a senior. He has all the makings of a great glue guy.
Quote from: Freeport Warrior on January 07, 2014, 12:54:34 PM
I don't know if this is completely accurate. My media buddy says that Buzz and Crean are pretty friendly and that Crean wasn't happy about the transfer, but "it made his day" that he got a) he got stick it to Bo by not going to WI and b) he got to stick it to Bo again when he chose MU. I don't know what role Crean played, but from all that I'm hearing, Luke thought WI might be a possibility (and his first choice) and it was clearly was not. He is buddies with Showalter, Koenig and Dekker, so it makes sense. The press release, "out of respect for Coach Crean . . ." was laughable. There is a story on the whole thing which is yet to come out.
I don't think what you are saying is necessarily different from what I am saying. Being "pretty friendly" means different things to different people. I have heard from others that they don't communicate all that often, but that doesn't mean that they aren't friendly when they do.
But *I think* the main reason that Luke didn't go to UW was because he would have lost a year of eligibility under B10 rules. (He would have only had 1.5 left then.) So I am not sure that TC "stuck it to Bo" as much as TC benefited from circumstances that made it difficult for Luke to get to UW.
Quote from: The Sultan of Syncopation on January 07, 2014, 11:35:33 AM
He will get 2.5 years unless he gets some sort of waiver from the NCAA, which is highly unlikely.
If McKay hadn't transferred, would we have been able to pick him up? I assume he is using our 13th scholarship for the spring 2014 semester.
Also, if he decided to sit out all of next season, would he then be eligible for 3 years at MU? Not that I'd want or expect him to do that, just curious.
Quote from: CTWarrior on January 07, 2014, 01:30:59 PM
If McKay hadn't transferred, would we have been able to pick him up? I assume he is using our 13th scholarship for the spring 2014 semester.
My understanding is that he is paying his own way for this semester. Once MU used the scholarship for McKay...even if it is for one semester...it is gone for the year. (And to be honest, that's a good thing. You don't want coaches running off players mid-year if a big time transfer wants to come.)
Quote from: CTWarrior on January 07, 2014, 01:30:59 PM
Also, if he decided to sit out all of next season, would he then be eligible for 3 years at MU? Not that I'd want or expect him to do that, just curious.
Yes, but I am not sure he could be on scholarship, or even on the roster, for this semester then. Jaybee probably knows better than I do.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on January 07, 2014, 11:28:07 AM
It wouldn't so much upset me as it would surprise me. But why are you trying to make this about me?
You made something up out of whole cloth - "Buzz has said many times that they talk all the time, almost every day, and (he) considers TC a close friend".
Your unequivocal and declarative statement didn't ring true to me. As a fan of MU and Buzz I'm interested in what he has to say and I didn't recall Buzz saying any such thing even once, let alone many times.
You respond vaguely about an old Scoop thread. Another poster weighs in, saying that Buzz and TC were close before Buzz even arrived at MU - otherwise Buzz never would have come here. That also is at odds with my recollection, so I email Jeff Goodman of ESPN.
He confirms that Buzz barely knew TC when he came to Marquette and that they are not close even today.
You backtrack, now stating "I seem to recall Buzz saying that they talked regularly on the phone" 5 or 6 years ago. "That is all".
Well, that is not all - it's very different. Your original statement carried no "seem" or "recall". It was stated as fact. It turns out it's fiction, a fiction that you and others seem vested in. Why?
Lenny, you have to get control of yourself. It's ok if Buzz and TC are friendly, and it's ok if they are not. I remember what I remember and Goodman's opinion does nothing to change it.
It's incredible you contacted Goodman over this ... Not something important like the status of STj, or Duane, or why Mayo doesn't start, or recruiting. No, you got so agitated about the possibly that Buzz and TC are friends you took it upon yourself to contact Goodman over this issue, unbelievable!!
I should repost this in the decline and fall of MU scoop as this is yet another good example at how this board provides little information and concerns itself with unimportant stuff.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on January 07, 2014, 01:06:25 PM
Because people on Scoop who follow college basketball would accept him as such. They are close enough that everyone from Chicos to Ners acknowledges that when Jeff Goodman speaks about Buzz it's as good as Buzz speaking about Buzz. If you prefer a source who's never met either BW or TC but thinks he remembers other guys who have never met them either saying something about it 5 years ago by all means go ahead.
No, I just think its funny that Goodman is considered "as good as Buzz speaking about Buzz." He's a sportswriter, who is right some of the time and wrong some of the time.
Quote from: Heisenberg on January 07, 2014, 02:00:11 PM
concerns itself with unimportant stuff.
Not sure this is a valid conclusion.
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"So, let me get this straight. What you are saying, Jeff, is that Buzz and Crean rarely speak and have virtually no personal relationship? Let me ask about the impact this will have on our military operations in Afghanistan and would a détente between these two coaches improve the access of common Americans to affordable health care?"
Quote from: Lennys Tap on January 06, 2014, 10:08:33 PM
But either way, you, Heisenberg, Equalizer and others have imagined a relationship that according to Buzz's closest confidant in the media never existed. What's the source of your facts/opinion?
Personally, my source is a personal friend of both Buzz and TC. I haven't talked to said friend about the two coaches for awhile now, so it is possible my information is dated. But I do know when TC first left, Buzz and him still had a great relationship. I also know that TC has never harbored any sort of ill will towards Marquette.
Of course, its possible that these things were said just for the sake of good PR.
Quote from: The Sultan of Syncopation on January 07, 2014, 01:42:43 PM
My understanding is that he is paying his own way for this semester.
Is there any reason MU couldn't give him a schollie this semester for academics or just for being a good guy?
Quote from: Heisenberg on January 07, 2014, 02:00:11 PM
Lenny, you have to get control of yourself. It's ok if Buzz and TC are friendly, and it's ok if they are not. I remember what I remember and Goodman's opinion does nothing to change it.
It's incredible you contacted Goodman over this ... Not something important like the status of STj, or Duane, or why Mayo doesn't start, or recruiting. No, you got so agitated about the possibly that Buzz and TC are friends you took it upon yourself to contact Goodman over this issue, unbelievable!!
I should repost this in the decline and fall of MU scoop as this is yet another good example at how this board provides little information and concerns itself with unimportant stuff.
My goodness, Heisenberg, you really must get control over yourself. It's okay if Buzz and TC are extremely close friends who are in communication nearly daily (as you submitted as fact) and it's okay if that is total made up BS (as it is).
But here's the thing. YOU are the one who decided that this extremely tight relationship was important enough to share with Scoop in the first place, not me. I merely asked you for a source because my memory was at odds with yours. When you got fuzzy and vague, I asked a guy who would know. Sorry the facts he shared don't mesh with your recollections. I guess that makes the issue that you brought up suddenly not important enough for discussion. How convenient.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on January 07, 2014, 02:28:49 PM
Personally, my source is a personal friend of both Buzz and TC. I haven't talked to said friend about the two coaches for awhile now, so it is possible my information is dated. But I do know when TC first left, Buzz and him still had a great relationship. I also know that TC has never harbored any sort of ill will towards Marquette.
Of course, its possible that these things were said just for the sake of good PR.
TAMU, I really have no argument with you as I think a "great relationship" can, as you point out, run the gamut from personal friendship to good PR. My complaint is with those who characterize it as something that it demonstrably isn't.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on January 07, 2014, 02:28:49 PM
I also know that TC has never harbored any sort of ill will towards Marquette.
Why the hell would TC potentially harbor ill will towards MU?
I can certainly understand why MU and their fans would harbor ill will against TC--he is the one who left under the cover of nightfall, not us.
Quote from: mr.MUskie on January 07, 2014, 03:02:45 PM
Is there any reason MU couldn't give him a schollie this semester for academics or just for being a good guy?
Yes, but they would have to be careful. They can give him a financial aid / academic scholarship package, but they would have to make sure it is consistent with what they give "general" students in similar financial and academic circumstances. If the NCAA audits it, and finds otherwise, MU could get into trouble.
EDIT: And such audits are more common than you may think. In fact, they *may* have to provide certain data to the NCAA for every non-scholarship player on their roster already.
Quote from: Freeport Warrior on January 07, 2014, 12:54:34 PM
I don't know if this is completely accurate. My media buddy says that Buzz and Crean are pretty friendly and that Crean wasn't happy about the transfer, but "it made his day" that he got a) he got stick it to Bo by not going to WI and b) he got to stick it to Bo again when he chose MU. I don't know what role Crean played, but from all that I'm hearing, Luke thought WI might be a possibility (and his first choice) and it was clearly was not. He is buddies with Showalter, Koenig and Dekker, so it makes sense. The press release, "out of respect for Coach Crean . . ." was laughable. There is a story on the whole thing which is yet to come out.
Can you not just give us the gist of the story?
Quote from: jesmu84 on January 07, 2014, 04:51:28 PM
Can you not just give us the gist of the story?
Hear, hear! I would love to hear the details of that story!
Quote from: jesmu84 on January 07, 2014, 04:51:28 PM
Can you not just give us the gist of the story?
Sorry if I didn't make it clear -- I'm told there is a story, I just don't know it yet.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on January 07, 2014, 03:11:25 PM
My goodness, Heisenberg, you really must get control over yourself. It's okay if Buzz and TC are extremely close friends who are in communication nearly daily (as you submitted as fact) and it's okay if that is total made up BS (as it is).
But here's the thing. YOU are the one who decided that this extremely tight relationship was important enough to share with Scoop in the first place, not me. I merely asked you for a source because my memory was at odds with yours. When you got fuzzy and vague, I asked a guy who would know. Sorry the facts he shared don't mesh with your recollections. I guess that makes the issue that you brought up suddenly not important enough for discussion. How convenient.
Lenny,
Why don't you and you BFF goodman read these posts, after all you wanted links ...
Are Buzz and Crean "Boys"
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=9202.0
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Williams told Dennis Krause that he still speaks to Crean every single day.
Quote from: Gato78 on January 05, 2014, 08:56:21 PM
TC also maintains a close relationship with Dick Strong--like a father-son. TC was afraid to speak with Strong when he was taking the II, II job because he knew Strong would convince him to stay.
Nothin' good goes down when sons don't communicate with fathers, a'ina?
Quote from: Heisenberg on January 07, 2014, 10:52:57 PM
Lenny,
Why don't you and you BFF goodman read these posts, after all you wanted links ...
Are Buzz and Crean "Boys"
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=9202.0
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=9146.0
Williams told Dennis Krause that he still speaks to Crean every single day.
That was a month after he was hired for chrissakes. He probably needed security codes, names of freaking people, etc.
Know how I know they're not friends? Crean has no friends. He's a pariah...a douche bag...A social climbing, phony ass turd.
Buzz is none of those things.
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on January 09, 2014, 03:57:51 PM
That was a month after he was hired for chrissakes. He probably needed security codes, names of freaking people, etc.
I'm still on the exact same terms I was on with everyone 5 1/2 years ago.
Quote from: chapman on January 09, 2014, 03:59:30 PM
I'm still on the exact same terms I was on with everyone 5 1/2 years ago.
same here, everyone still thinks I'm an a@@
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on January 09, 2014, 03:57:51 PM
Know how I know they're not friends? Crean has no friends. He's a pariah...a douche bag...A social climbing, phony ass turd.
Quit beating around the bush, Nightmare! Tell us how you really feel!
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I still don't understand why he would only have 2.5 years of eligibility. He's just a freshman right? He gets 4 years of eligibility. So, how can he play for half a year and but lose a year and half of eligibility? I thought that's why they sit out a full year...to maintain that eligibility. If he loses it anyways, why can't he play right away? Jamail Jones transferred after his sophomore year, but he still gets 2 years of eligibility after he sat out last year.
Quote from: Aughnanure on January 09, 2014, 04:25:56 PM
I still don't understand why he would only have 2.5 years of eligibility. He's just a freshman right? He gets 4 years of eligibility. So, how can he play for half a year and but lose a year and half of eligibility? I thought that's why they sit out a full year...to maintain that eligibility. If he loses it anyways, why can't he play right away? Jamail Jones transferred after his sophomore year, but he still gets 2 years of eligibility after he sat out last year.
From what I've read, there are basically no "half years". Any season you play in removes an entire year of eligibility.
He'll come to Marquette with 3 years of eligibility remaining, but won't be able to play the first semester. If he plays the second semester, he basically burns an entire year of eligibility for half a year of playing time.
So, he still has 3 years, but he'd only be able to be on the court for Marquette for 2 and a half.
Quote from: Utile et Dulce on January 09, 2014, 04:33:15 PM
From what I've read, there are basically no "half years". Any season you play in removes an entire year of eligibility.
He'll come to Marquette with 3 years of eligibility remaining, but won't be able to play the first semester. If he plays the second semester, he basically burns an entire year of eligibility for half a year of playing time.
So, he still has 3 years, but he'd only be able to be on the court for Marquette for 2 and a half.
That is correct.