Ripples from Fischer coming to MU

[setyoursightsnorth]

I totally agree.

Juan 2015 = Lockett 2013

Except Trent actually did something. Points, assists, rebounds. So Juan is kinda like Trent in the way that Honda Civic is a BMW M3.

[keefe]

Except Trent actually did something. Points, assists, rebounds. So Juan is kinda like Trent in the way that Honda Civic is a BMW M3.

So Juan is more reliable and gets better mileage than Trent?

[Lennys Tap]

Barely knew eachother -- and are not close now.

Hope all is well --

Jeff Goodman

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 6, 2014, at 6:44 PM, Tony House <anthonykhouse@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Jeff,

As our designated expert on all things Buzz Williams, settle a dispute between 2 Marquette fans. My friend claims that Buzz and Tom Crean are close going way back. He says that's why William's took a "demotion" to come to Marquette and that they remain in almost daily communication to this day. I think they barely knew each other before Buzz came to MU and he didn't view it as a demotion but an escape from an untenable situation at UNO. Further, my impression is that their relationship, while cordial, is not close. What's the real deal?

Thanks,
Tony

Bottom is my email to Jeff Goodman. Above it is his response. Hope this clears things up for those who care (TAMU, Heisenberg, equalizer, etc.). Others please disregard.

[keefe]

Barely knew eachother -- and are not close now.

Hope all is well --

Jeff Goodman

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 6, 2014, at 6:44 PM, Tony House <anthonykhouse@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Jeff,

As our designated expert on all things Buzz Williams, settle a dispute between 2 Marquette fans. My friend claims that Buzz and Tom Crean are close going way back. He says that's why William's took a "demotion" to come to Marquette and that they remain in almost daily communication to this day. I think they barely knew each other before Buzz came to MU and he didn't view it as a demotion but an escape from an untenable situation at UNO. Further, my impression is that their relationship, while cordial, is not close. What's the real deal?

Thanks,
Tony

Bottom is my email to Jeff Goodman. Above it is his response. Hope this clears things up for those who care (TAMU, Heisenberg, equalizer, etc.). Others please disregard.

Out-f#cking-Standing!

[setyoursightsnorth]

So Juan is more reliable and gets better mileage than Trent?

Very, very clever. That one is a basic player, or vehicle in this case, and the other is a high octane individual that gives you a thrill and better driving experience (or stats in this case).

[GooooMarquette]

Very, very clever. That one is a basic player, or vehicle in this case, and the other is a high octane individual that gives you a thrill and better driving experience (or stats in this case).

Minute per minute, Juan gets more points, rebounds, assists and steals as a junior than Trent did as a senior....

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

TAMU stated that Buzz has "stated many times that they talk all the time, almost every day, and that they share a close friendship". The fact is he hasn't said that once, let alone many times.

I said they have a great relationship. I have no idea how often they talk.

[keefe]

I said they have a great relationship. I have no idea how often they talk.

Jeff Goodman would disagree with that statement. Not surprised Buzz Williams would put some distance between himself and the Bronzed Beast. No one likes to get the stench on them, really.

[Lennys Tap]

I said they have a great relationship. I have no idea how often they talk.

Apologies, TAMU. It was Heisenberg (expanding on your assertion that they have a great relationship and TC likely steered Fischer Buzz's way) who claimed that Buzz had said many times that they talk almost daily.

But either way, you, Heisenberg, Equalizer and others have imagined a relationship that according to Buzz's closest confidant in the media never existed. What's the source of your facts/opinion?

[setyoursightsnorth]

Minute per minute, Juan gets more points, rebounds, assists and steals as a junior than Trent did as a senior....

Trent also played more and got more minutes, so that accounts for the skew.

[77ncaachamps]

Trent also played more and got more minutes, so that accounts for the skew.

One thing Juan needs to do is cut down on his fouls.
He paints himself in a corner by picking up fouls quickly.

There's no doubting his energy, bloodhound nose for the ball around the rim, and a stroke that needs to be displayed more, but Trent played smarter and controlled his fouls situations.

[GooooMarquette]

Trent also played more and got more minutes, so that accounts for the skew.

So the "skew" is Trent from having more empty minutes?  Ummmm, OK.

I love Trent - he's a great kid and came on strong at the end.  But I'll take Juan.  And he still has a season to go.

[setyoursightsnorth]

So the "skew" is Trent from having more empty minutes?  Ummmm, OK.

I love Trent - he's a great kid and came on strong at the end.  But I'll take Juan.  And he still has a season to go.

I don't understand why anyone is so high on Juan. He's completely replaceable. I would take Trent in a heartbeat because while heart is important, in the end, the team that wins is the one that scores more. Trent, in one year, made a bigger impact that Juan will make in 4 years. I've been a part of teams and have had both standouts and ones that are "glue" guys, and from my experience, I didn't mind seeing the glue guys graduate. Someone took their spot. Replacing someone that scored a consistent amount of goals (I played water polo in high school) is much more difficult than someone who just fills in a body. So back to my original point, after all these commits and transfers that are coming in, I wouldn't be surprised if Juan transfers.

[CTWarrior]

...I wouldn't be surprised if Juan transfers.

I would be very surprised.  If he was going to transfer, last year would have been the year to do it.  Someone would likely have to give him two years of scholarship for one year of play.  I personally like him as a solid rebounder and an energy guy off the bench and am happy to have him stay.  He needs the freedom to take the wide open 3.

[MU82]

So the "skew" is Trent from having more empty minutes?  Ummmm, OK.

I love Trent - he's a great kid and came on strong at the end.  But I'll take Juan.  And he still has a season to go.

Juan has more upside than Trent. He is MUCH more athletic and, when he's confidently stepping into his shot, has a better touch.

However ...

Juan tends to play out of control. He seems to try to make himself go in several directions at once. It often appears he doesn't "think" a good game. Those are all correctable, although I would have thought he'd be in a little better control by his junior year.

Scott Skiles was once asked about the energy young Bulls forward Tyrus Thomas brought. Skiles replied that some guys are good at displaying energy without that energy really translating to success on the court. "Flying around for the sake of flying around."

I'm not saying that's all Juan does, but if he channeled his considerable energy a little better, he could be more like Lockett -- except better!

[GooooMarquette]

I don't understand why anyone is so high on Juan. He's completely replaceable. I would take Trent in a heartbeat because while heart is important, in the end, the team that wins is the one that scores more. Trent, in one year, made a bigger impact that Juan will make in 4 years. I've been a part of teams and have had both standouts and ones that are "glue" guys, and from my experience, I didn't mind seeing the glue guys graduate. Someone took their spot. Replacing someone that scored a consistent amount of goals (I played water polo in high school) is much more difficult than someone who just fills in a body. So back to my original point, after all these commits and transfers that are coming in, I wouldn't be surprised if Juan transfers.

Funny, but you praise Trent and then call Juan a "glue guy" whom you won't mind seeing graduate...but Trent played 26.6 mpg last season and averaged 7 ppg, 5.1 rpg, 1.8 apg and 0.7 spg - pretty similar to Juan's numbers and a classic example of a "glue guy."

Trent was not a star - far from it - but he was a great addition as a glue guy.

[setyoursightsnorth]

Funny, but you praise Trent and then call Juan a "glue guy" whom you won't mind seeing graduate...but Trent played 26.6 mpg last season and averaged 7 ppg, 5.1 rpg, 1.8 apg and 0.7 spg - pretty similar to Juan's numbers and a classic example of a "glue guy."

Trent was not a star - far from it - but he was a great addition as a glue guy.

Trent was more than a glue guy. He was a leader on that team. He came up big when it was necessary. Juan? I don't have any faith in him whatsoever in tight situations.

[GGGG]

Apologies, TAMU. It was Heisenberg (expanding on your assertion that they have a great relationship and TC likely steered Fischer Buzz's way) who claimed that Buzz had said many times that they talk almost daily.

But either way, you, Heisenberg, Equalizer and others have imagined a relationship that according to Buzz's closest confidant in the media never existed. What's the source of your facts/opinion?

TC didn't steer Luke MU's way.  Buzz knew the Fischers when he was recruiting Luke.  I'm sure TC said some nice things about MU, but this is about 99% on Buzz and about 1% on TC...and I am being generous to TC.

And while I am sure they are cordial with one another and absolutely have no reason to have a poor relationship, I have heard from others that they aren't close.  (And no keefe, Buzz isn't "putting some distance" between him and TC.  If you worked with a guy you barely knew for a year, you probably wouldn't have much of a relationship with them a few years later either.)

[GooooMarquette]

Trent was more than a glue guy. He was a leader on that team. He came up big when it was necessary. Juan? I don't have any faith in him whatsoever in tight situations.

The team leader was Junior, with Vander and Jamil being our "go-to" guys in tight situations.  I liked Trent a lot - had an opportunity to meet him at he Sweet Sixteen, and he was the nicest, most polite guy you'd ever want to meet.  But he was neither the team leader or go-to guy.  He was a very effective glue guy.

Trent made some nice plays down the stretch in tight games...but they were usually rebounds - the same kinds of nice plays Juan makes when he is in.

[Tugg Speedman]

Apologies, TAMU. It was Heisenberg (expanding on your assertion that they have a great relationship and TC likely steered Fischer Buzz's way) who claimed that Buzz had said many times that they talk almost daily.

But either way, you, Heisenberg, Equalizer and others have imagined a relationship that according to Buzz's closest confidant in the media never existed. What's the source of your facts/opinion?

Lenny, I have no idea why you're so exercised about this topic.  Why does it upset that buzz and TC might have been friends?

All I said was I remember reading that here in the first year or so of Buzz's HC tenure.  So 2008 or 2009.  I seem to recall Buzz saying they talked regularly on the phone.  That is all.

[Aughnanure]

This whole stupid thread.

[bilsu]

The ripples from Fischer coming to MU is that it gives something to sell to recruits after this season, which right now appears to be a disappointment. It is important to be able to sell success. Buzz can offset this year by selling that he has another top class coming in, plus a redshirt freshmen and a mid-season transfer. Add to that a healthy Taylor and  Buzz can put out a very positive vibe to next years potential recruits.

[Lennys Tap]

Lenny, I have no idea why you're so exercised about this topic.  Why does it upset that buzz and TC might have been friends?

All I said was I remember reading that here in the first year or so of Buzz's HC tenure.  So 2008 or 2009.  I seem to recall Buzz saying they talked regularly on the phone.  That is all.

It wouldn't so much upset me as it would surprise me. But why are you trying to make this about me?

You made something up out of whole cloth - "Buzz has said many times that they talk all the time, almost every day, and (he) considers TC a close friend".

Your unequivocal and declarative statement didn't ring true to me. As a fan of MU and Buzz I'm interested in what he has to say and I didn't recall Buzz saying any such thing even once, let alone many times.

You respond vaguely about an old Scoop thread. Another poster weighs in, saying that Buzz and TC were close before Buzz even arrived at MU - otherwise Buzz never would have come here. That also is at odds with my recollection, so I email Jeff Goodman of ESPN.

He confirms that Buzz barely knew TC when he came to Marquette and that they are not close even today.

You backtrack, now stating "I seem to recall Buzz saying that they talked regularly on the phone" 5 or 6 years ago. "That is all".

Well, that is not all - it's very different. Your original statement carried no "seem" or "recall". It was stated as fact. It turns out it's fiction, a fiction that you and others seem vested in. Why?

[willie warrior]

So when do we have definitive info on how much eligibility Fischer will have left? It sounds like 2 1/2 years from what most are saying. That kind of sucks for him--so he will only have played 3 full year if that is accurate? Of course, there are plenty of NCAA rules that do not make much sense.

[GGGG]

So when do we have definitive info on how much eligibility Fischer will have left? It sounds like 2 1/2 years from what most are saying. That kind of sucks for him--so he will only have played 3 full year if that is accurate? Of course, there are plenty of NCAA rules that do not make much sense.

He will get 2.5 years unless he gets some sort of waiver from the NCAA, which is highly unlikely.