I'm basing this on Buzz's comments in the press conference yesterday and on performances and my observing of players at madness. I see a few unknowns still but two of the five positions now seem to be set in stone (the 5 and the 1). I see a few potential lineups:
5) Oxtule
4) Steve
3) Jamil
2) Jajuan
1) Derrick
or
5) Oxtule
4) Steve
3) Jamil
2) Juan
1) Derrick
or
5) Oxtule
4) Jamil
3) Juan
2) Jajuan
1) Derrick
I would have guessed Mayo would have started but Buzz said that is unlikely as he is still recovering, which was hard to tell because he was a beast at madness. Juan looks much improved and he could start. Derrick as always will be fantastic on D but still isn't fully there offensively, but he is improving, and Duane probably isn't ready yet. Jajuan looks like the real deal and Buzz seems to like him a lot so I think he is likely to start at the 2. Not fully sure how Buzz will set up the 2-4 spots as their are a bunch of ways to make the lineup. I would like to hear people's inputs.
I think it will be:
Derrick
Mayo
Wilson
Taylor
Otule.
I would like to see:
Derrick
D. Wilson
Wilson
Taylor
Gardner
Based on last night (I know what can you take from a scrimmage) and how well Dawson was composed. I think a real solid lineup would be. Great size defensive intensity with Mayo and Anderson and shot blockers in Wilson and Otule. 1-4 can all shoot the 3 effectively and I was impressed with how Dawson was willing to play within himself and the system.
Dawson
Mayo
Anderson
Wilson
Otule
Not a starting lineup per say, but a solid one.
Did any of y'all catch Davante's media day interview? He ranked Dawson above Duane.
I know these interviews and the scrimmage might not mean much, but come actual game time I'm excited about any combination we put out there!
I see Buzz starting...
1 Derrick W
2 Juan A
3 Jamil W
4 Davante G
5 Chris O
I'm sticking with...
PG DeWil
SG Mayo
SF Jamil
PF McKay
C Otule
Though it wouldn't surprise me to see Taylor supplant McKay at the 4.
Quote from: brewcity77 on October 12, 2013, 02:29:37 PM
I'm sticking with...
PG DeWil
SG Mayo
SF Jamil
PF McKay
C Otule
Though it wouldn't surprise me to see Taylor supplant McKay at the 4.
Taylor looked much better last night. Just a scrimmage, but McKay seemed overpowered by the physical play.
Buzz said he wants to play fast, so I think he goes with:
D. Wilson
Mayo
Anderson
J. Wilson
Otule
5. Otule -Gardner would never win the opening tip.
4. Wilson-but I could see Gardner there in a gimmick lineup or Taylor because of hustle. No matter what Wilson plays high minutes at 4.
3. Anderson-Wilson a possiblity in gimmick lineup, JJJ will get minutes, but Juan will get majority of minutes.
2. Mayo who will will have breakout year and follow Blue's poor decision making, JJJ will get as many minutes as his defense allows.
1. Derrick
Quote from: brewcity77 on October 12, 2013, 02:29:37 PM
I'm sticking with...
PG DeWil
SG Mayo
SF Jamil
PF McKay
C Otule
Though it wouldn't surprise me to see Taylor supplant McKay at the 4.
Agreed
1. De Wilson
2. Mayo
3. Juan
4. Jamil
5. Otule
1) Gardner
2) Jamil
3) Taylor, Jr.
4) McKay
5) Otule
I just wish we could recruit a big. Just 1.
Quote from: wadesworld on October 12, 2013, 04:23:29 PM
1) Gardner
2) Jamil
3) Taylor, Jr.
4) McKay
5) Otule
Buzz always has a guy who puts the ball on the floor and takes it into the paint. This line up doesn't have it.
Doubt Buzz will start a frosh, but going to go for a wildcard.
Derrick
Mayo
JaJuan
Jamil
Otule
Gardner;our leading, returning, scorer, will start!
Quote from: denverMU on October 12, 2013, 04:30:33 PM
Gardner;our leading, returning, scorer, will start!
He won't start over Otule. Only way he starts is at the 4, especially considering he rarely started even when CO was injured during Gardner's sophomore year.
Quote from: brewcity77 on October 12, 2013, 04:43:50 PM
He won't start over Otule. Only way he starts is at the 4, especially considering he rarely started even when CO was injured during Gardner's sophomore year.
I agree, I think he will start at the 4 not at center.
I think Otule starts but Gardner gets the most minutes....and they will mostly be at the 5.
1. Derrick
2. Todd
3. Jake
4. Jamil
5. Chris
1. Derrick Wilson
2. JJJ (Mayo if "100%")
3. Jamil Wilson
4. Steve Taylor
5. Chris Otule
1) Derrick
2) Mayo
3) Juan
4) Jamil
5) Chris
However, JaJuan Johnson is loaded with so much talent i think he starts at some point in the season. I don't think we have seen this much talent in a player since D Wade.
Quote from: The Sultan of Syncopation on October 12, 2013, 11:01:45 PM
Jake who???
Clearly sliding into the Lockett role after his six rebound performance in the scrimmage. Even if Flood outscored him.
Quote from: NCMUFan on October 12, 2013, 10:23:20 PM
1) Derrick
2) Mayo
3) Juan
4) Jamil
5) Chris
However, JaJuan Johnson is loaded with so much talent i think he starts at some point in the season. I don't think we have seen this much talent in a player since D Wade.
this, but I think Mayo starts most of the season.
Otule will start, with Gardner getting more minutes. Juan and Jamil start up front. Hopefully, as a senior, JWilson is over his tendency to commit the stupid early foul. Juan starts in the role that Lockett played last year. DeWilson starts at the point. 2G is a coin flip. I will go with Mayo, based on experience. However, I can see starting JJJ, and bringing Mayo off of the bench, particularly when DeWilson needs a break, because I think Buzz is going to be very reluctant to have an all-frosh backcourt, particularly early and against the big boys.
First I thought Brew had it, then new York giants, then ners. What a nice problem to have! Going with DeWil, Todd, Juan, Jamil, and O'Tule.
Whoever starts I am F'ing READY!
Buzz always starts players and yanks one out.
I think Juan fits that mold again. Allowing for Steve to study the defense as well as protecting him from early fouls.
Yet, Buzz rewards guys (with starting spots) who practice hard and well, especially during the exhibition/non-conf games.
But I think, he eventually goes with those he trusts the most:
Chris
Juan
Jamil
Mayo
Derrick
Otule
Gardner
Jamil
Mayo
Derrick Wilson
Think Otule will get roughly 15-18 minutes a game, with Steve Taylor, McKay, Juan picking up the remaining 25 minutes left over from Otule...with Gardner then shifting to the 5. Think Gardner gets 30 minutes a game, and McKay and Taylor and Juan give get his 10 minutes on the bench.
Jamil gets 30 minutes per game, Juan and Deonte compete to get his other 10 minutes..
See JJJ and Mayo likely splitting minutes at the 2 guard - each getting close to 20.
Derrick gets 25 at point, with Du Wilson/Dawson, possibly Mayo picking up the remaining 15 point guard minutes.
Think Deonte, Dawson, and Jake are the 3 who aren't part of the usual rotation.
I think its gonna be
Derrick
Juan/Mayo
Jamil
Steve
Otule
Its buzz though so it could be something completely out of the box.
I've got:
Derrick
Juan (Mayo's play at madness gives me some hope but I'm still not sold)
Jamil
Jameel
Chris
This lineup has size, speed, and a ridiculous amount of athleticism. We will be able to abuse most defenses. Love it.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on October 13, 2013, 02:50:00 PM
I've got:
Derrick
Juan (Mayo's play at madness gives me some hope but I'm still not sold)
Jamil
Jameel
Chris
This lineup has size, speed, and a ridiculous amount of athleticism. We will be able to abuse most defenses. Love it.
It has size, speed, and athleticism, but if we were frustrating about our lack of shooting last year...
Quote from: wadesworld on October 13, 2013, 03:19:38 PM
It has size, speed, and athleticism, but if we were frustrating about our lack of shooting last year...
Lack of shooting and inability to create their own shot.
I really do think that it will be De Wilson, Juan, Jamil, Chris....and either Todd or JJJ.
Gardner and otule both start. Seniors. At first timeout Steve take jr enters for one of them and than, along with McKay, a rotation plays out for the rest of the way. Gardner starts and finishes the game.
Quote from: thanooj on October 13, 2013, 03:48:47 PM
Gardner and otule both start. Seniors. At first timeout Steve take jr enters for one of them and than, along with McKay, a rotation plays out for the rest of the way. Gardner starts and finishes the game.
There is some good logic based upon observation is this.
Quote from: thanooj on October 13, 2013, 03:48:47 PM
Gardner and otule both start. Seniors. At first timeout Steve take jr enters for one of them and than, along with McKay, a rotation plays out for the rest of the way. Gardner starts and finishes the game.
Completely agree..
Quote from: bilsu on October 12, 2013, 03:18:04 PM
5. Otule -Gardner would never win the opening tip.
4. Wilson-but I could see Gardner there in a gimmick lineup or Taylor because of hustle. No matter what Wilson plays high minutes at 4.
3. Anderson-Wilson a possiblity in gimmick lineup, JJJ will get minutes, but Juan will get majority of minutes.
2. Mayo who will will have breakout year and follow Blue's poor decision making, JJJ will get as many minutes as his defense allows.
1. Derrick
I think Wilson plays the 3 more than the 4 this season. And any minutes he plays at the 3 causes BIG problems for opposing teams.
We have Mckay, Gardner, STJ who are all able to play the 4...When Otule is in the game, that will give us a chance to have Jamil play the 3.
Quote from: thanooj on October 13, 2013, 03:48:47 PM
Gardner and otule both start. Seniors. At first timeout Steve take jr enters for one of them and than, along with McKay, a rotation plays out for the rest of the way. Gardner starts and finishes the game.
Buzz isn't going to start someone just because they are seniors.
The problem I have is that Gardner and Otule on the same floor worked for one game....when Syracuse didn't know how to handle Gardner at the high post. They completely took that away in the Elite 8 game. IMO, that line up is a change up at best.
Juan started all last year. I see no reason why that would change. They moved his position to the spot that Trent played last year for a reason. He will start and get minutes there.
Jamil will not play the 4 much this season, no reason for him to with Gardner, Taylor, and McKay. Depending on how Mayo is recovering from his injury, handling life in general I think the starting line-up is
DeWil
Mayo
Jamil
Taylor
Otule
Anderson and Gardner are the first of the bench
Quote from: The Sultan of Syncopation on October 14, 2013, 08:34:47 AM
Buzz isn't going to start someone just because they are seniors.
The problem I have is that Gardner and Otule on the same floor worked for one game....when Syracuse didn't know how to handle Gardner at the high post. They completely took that away in the Elite 8 game. IMO, that line up is a change up at best.
Juan started all last year. I see no reason why that would change. They moved his position to the spot that Trent played last year for a reason. He will start and get minutes there.
I tend to think both Otule and Gardner are more advanced, better and ready to play their "natural" positions of the 5 and 4, than have they been in past years. Davante has said he and Otule will be on the floor a good bit together this year. Yet to your point, Buzz has also said he thinks speed beats size so it would seem a little against the grain of his coaching belief to play both together. However, just because you start them together, doesn't necessarily mean they play long stretches together in the game.
So much flexibility Buzz has with this year's team. Exciting to consider all the options.
I just don't think Gardner is a natural 4. I see him as an undersized 5.
Quote from: mu03eng on October 14, 2013, 08:49:14 AM
Jamil will not play the 4 much this season, no reason for him to with Gardner, Taylor, and McKay. Depending on how Mayo is recovering from his injury, handling life in general I think the starting line-up is
DeWil
Mayo
Jamil
Taylor
Otule
Anderson and Gardner are the first of the bench
I think this will be the lineup, but, I do think that Gardner will start at times for Otule. It will be depend on the game. I like rotating starters better than starting both of them, unless we are playing a team will bigger and slower PF's and C's who slow it and us down. Then they both could start, but I still don't like starting both of our natural 5's. They are natural 5's and one needs to be the backup, even if they pretty much split time.
When we need more offense inside or the game is slowing down, Gardner gets more time as we pound the ball inside. When we play fast, I can see both of them on the bench, but not too often, as they both offer so much at the 5. When we need defense against a C with size, I see Otule getting more time.
I could see both starting like Buzz has done, to reward effort, with one getting pulled, as mentioned. I hope not, as this is more gimmicky and doesn't seem very effective.
The 5 spot will be fluid this year, I suspect. Two great talents who bring different game dimensions to the team.
Anderson or Jamil will play some back up 4 this year as well as the 3.
McKay will be on the bench to start the season. I hope their is consideration to red-shirting him, but I doubt it, given our history of not red-shirting players.
Quote from: The Sultan of Syncopation on October 14, 2013, 09:02:56 AM
I just don't think Gardner is a natural 4. I see him as an undersized 5.
This is where we definitely disagree. Gardner has elements of his game that are conducive to playing the 5, but his skill set is so much more than that. Look at what he did to Syracuse, he played a mid-range game and tore them apart. I expect to see much more of that, he can face-up and shoot, he even has the quickness to drive it if his man checks hard on the shot. I view Gardner right now as a middle class man's Zack Randolph. Making him playing the 5 exclusively hampers a lot of his other capabilities.
Where he could spend time at the 5 is if defense is not a big concern and Buzz wants to spread the other team like say a 2-3 zone.
Quote from: mu03eng on October 14, 2013, 09:37:52 AM
This is where we definitely disagree. Gardner has elements of his game that are conducive to playing the 5, but his skill set is so much more than that. Look at what he did to Syracuse, he played a mid-range game and tore them apart. I expect to see much more of that, he can face-up and shoot, he even has the quickness to drive it if his man checks hard on the shot. I view Gardner right now as a middle class man's Zack Randolph. Making him playing the 5 exclusively hampers a lot of his other capabilities.
Where he could spend time at the 5 is if defense is not a big concern and Buzz wants to spread the other team like say a 2-3 zone.
Again, I would like to see a sample size of more than one game to show what he can do at the four. Also I would argue that he played that game more as a high post center and not as a power forward.
Furthermore, most of the damage he did was when Steve Taylor was on the floor and not Chris Otule. Why? Because I don't think Davante can adequately guard the other team's 4. And IMO that is a huge problem with Davante. He isn't quick enough to play the "middle class Randolph" role on the defensive end.
I guess I just don't see why we have this desire to have the two of them on the floor at the same time. I can see running Davante out of the high post, but I would argue that it would work much better with McKay or Taylor than with Otule.
With Buzz I see
Derrick
Todd/Juan-I could see this one go either way
Jamil
Jameel (Unless Ox can keep up with the team)
Otule
Quote from: The Sultan of Syncopation on October 14, 2013, 09:46:32 AM
Again, I would like to see a sample size of more than one game to show what he can do at the four. Also I would argue that he played that game more as a high post center and not as a power forward.
Furthermore, most of the damage he did was when Steve Taylor was on the floor and not Chris Otule. Why? Because I don't think Davante can adequately guard the other team's 4. And IMO that is a huge problem with Davante. He isn't quick enough to play the "middle class Randolph" role on the defensive end.
I guess I just don't see why we have this desire to have the two of them on the floor at the same time. I can see running Davante out of the high post, but I would argue that it would work much better with McKay or Taylor than with Otule.
I agree with the defensive portion of your statement, Gardner hasn't to date been able to stay with the opponents 4, but we'll see what happens early in the season. I think the OxTule line up in intriguing but not necessary. Ultimately I would rather see Gardner and Taylor play together in the front court and we go without a true 5. What we suffer defensively I think we more than make up in rebounding and offensive firepower. Plus if you have Juan, Jamil, and DeWil in this line-up puts a premium on the other team even getting an entry pass in limiting the impact of Ox on the defensive end.
Quote from: mu03eng on October 14, 2013, 09:37:52 AM
This is where we definitely disagree. Gardner has elements of his game that are conducive to playing the 5, but his skill set is so much more than that. Look at what he did to Syracuse, he played a mid-range game and tore them apart. I expect to see much more of that, he can face-up and shoot, he even has the quickness to drive it if his man checks hard on the shot. I view Gardner right now as a middle class man's Zack Randolph. Making him playing the 5 exclusively hampers a lot of his other capabilities.
Where he could spend time at the 5 is if defense is not a big concern and Buzz wants to spread the other team like say a 2-3 zone.
Good call on the Zack Randolph comparison. On the offensive end, Davante has an outstanding post up game, but he also a good face up shooter, passer and ball handler. He doesn't rebound it like Randolph, but very few do. I'm way out on a limb here, but I think Gardner is our best all around offensive player since Wade.
Defense? That's the rub. Not quite tall enough to defend the 5, not quite quick enough to defend the 4. And stamina has been a problem - but he looks to be in pretty good shape this year.
Quote from: The Sultan of Syncopation on October 14, 2013, 09:46:32 AM
Again, I would like to see a sample size of more than one game to show what he can do at the four. Also I would argue that he played that game more as a high post center and not as a power forward.
Furthermore, most of the damage he did was when Steve Taylor was on the floor and not Chris Otule. Why? Because I don't think Davante can adequately guard the other team's 4. And IMO that is a huge problem with Davante. He isn't quick enough to play the "middle class Randolph" role on the defensive end.
I guess I just don't see why we have this desire to have the two of them on the floor at the same time. I can see running Davante out of the high post, but I would argue that it would work much better with McKay or Taylor than with Otule.
I agree. Just because Gardner can hit a couple of jumpers doesn't mean he's suddenly a PF. Also, I'm still not sure that Buzz even wants Gardner to take those shots, given that Gardner is so efficient in the post. Why waste an attempt with a jumper... unless it's the only shot he can get (zone defense).
With this said, I can see Buzz starting them both together, and then subbing early and rotating from there on out. It gives Buzz a lot of flexibility in the first 5-8min of the game because he can sub out 1 or both of them if he wants to change the pace of the game.
The key to all of this will be McKay, Jamil, and Steve's versatility. If Buzz trusts those guys to guard bigger players, then he can risk putting Gardner and Otule in the game at the same time... and I think the first 5min. of each half might be the best time to do it.
Quote from: Guns n Ammo on October 14, 2013, 10:06:56 AM
I agree. Just because Gardner can hit a couple of jumpers doesn't mean he's suddenly a PF. Also, I'm still not sure that Buzz even wants Gardner to take those shots, given that Gardner is so efficient in the post. Why waste an attempt with a jumper... unless it's the only shot he can get (zone defense).
Gardner is off the charts efficient in the post so that's where he'll be most of the time. But against a zone or maybe a really big, tough inside defender why not move him out to the high post? He can shoot it better than anyone on the team other than Jake and he has great hands and court vision. I'd love to see us run a little of Bill Self's high/low offense, with Davante and Steve as interchangeable parts. Doesn't work as well with Chris (he can't play outside), don't know yet about Jameel.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on October 14, 2013, 10:19:45 AM
Gardner is off the charts efficient in the post so that's where he'll be most of the time. But against a zone or maybe a really big, tough inside defender why not move him out to the high post? He can shoot it better than anyone on the team other than Jake and he has great hands and court vision. I'd love to see us run a little of Bill Self's high/low offense, with Davante and Steve as interchangeable parts. Doesn't work as well with Chris (he can't play outside), don't know yet about Jameel.
If McKay is going to get any PT, this is how he is going to have to get it. He seems a high motor, athletic player, but I just don't see how his game fits with the pieces we have. Very tiny sample size, but unless McKay can play the high low there is no way he and Gardner play together, leaving him to only play with Otule.
Quote from: The Sultan of Syncopation on October 14, 2013, 09:46:32 AMBecause I don't think Davante can adequately guard the other team's 4. And IMO that is a huge problem with Davante. He isn't quick enough to play the "middle class Randolph" role on the defensive end.
This exactly. I love Davante, and he has worked tremendously hard on his defense, but his game is not covering a true inside-out 4. Buzz loves having the center flash a hand into the face of the ball-handler on the perimeter before drifting back to the low post. That works well with Otule, but not nearly as well with Gardner. The only way I see Gardner and Otule working effectively together on defense (which is where it matters) is if CO can guard the 4. Against some teams, that may work. But Otule seems fine playing 15-20 minutes, and I'm fine with Gardner playing 20-25. If there's some overlap, so be it, but I don't think we need to see CO getting 25 and DG getting 30 just because. Otherwise why have both McKay and Taylor on the roster?
Quote from: Lennys Tap on October 14, 2013, 10:19:45 AM
Gardner is off the charts efficient in the post so that's where he'll be most of the time. But against a zone or maybe a really big, tough inside defender why not move him out to the high post? He can shoot it better than anyone on the team other than Jake and he has great hands and court vision. I'd love to see us run a little of Bill Self's high/low offense, with Davante and Steve as interchangeable parts. Doesn't work as well with Chris (he can't play outside), don't know yet about Jameel.
Yea, I love high low against a 2-3 zone. In specific situations, yes, Davante shouldn't hesitate to look for and/or shoot a jumper.
I'm just not as enamored with his outside shot as some other fans. He certainly has some ability, but looking for that kind of shot on a regular basis is probably a wasted opportunity. I know Buzz is a stat nerd, so certainly he understands efficiency and the opportunity cost of a Gardner jumpshot.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on October 14, 2013, 10:19:45 AM
Gardner is off the charts efficient in the post so that's where he'll be most of the time. But against a zone or maybe a really big, tough inside defender why not move him out to the high post? He can shoot it better than anyone on the team other than Jake and he has great hands and court vision. I'd love to see us run a little of Bill Self's high/low offense, with Davante and Steve as interchangeable parts. Doesn't work as well with Chris (he can't play outside), don't know yet about Jameel.
He can shoot it better on any member of the team...but mostly from very close. (FT line and in.)
Quote from: mu03eng on October 14, 2013, 10:36:12 AM
If McKay is going to get any PT, this is how he is going to have to get it. He seems a high motor, athletic player, but I just don't see how his game fits with the pieces we have. Very tiny sample size, but unless McKay can play the high low there is no way he and Gardner play together, leaving him to only play with Otule.
McKay may be on the bench a lot. Redshirt? I sure don't see him starting this year, not with the guys in front of him. Hope I'm wrong.
I think Juan and Jamil will play some 4 in a back up roll. I don't see Juan guarding quicker 2's, so he is a 3 that can play the 4.
When Gardner is in, we need guys on the floor, especially at the 4, that can hit open 3's to draw defenders out of the lane and out of zones.
Quote from: GOO on October 14, 2013, 11:08:28 AM
McKay may be on the bench a lot. Redshirt? I sure don't see him starting this year, not with the guys in front of him. Hope I'm wrong.
I think Juan and Jamil will play some 4 in a back up roll. I don't see Juan guarding quicker 2's, so he is a 3 that can play the 4.
When Gardner is in, we need guys on the floor, especially at the 4, that can hit open 3's to draw defenders out of the lane and out of zones.
Buzz has said(I'm too lazy to look up where) that Juan is going to play the two, I think he is plenty quick enough to do that and his length makes up for any quickness he doesn't have. The Juan at the 4 experiment failed I don't see him ever down there again.
As far as Jamil, I suppose in certain situations it makes sense to have him at the 4 but his real potential and place to succeed in this league or the adult league is going to be playing the 3.
Quote from: The Sultan of Syncopation on October 14, 2013, 09:02:56 AM
I just don't think Gardner is a natural 4. I see him as a undersized short 5.
I don't think undersized fits ox's build, lol
Quote from: The Sultan of Syncopation on October 14, 2013, 11:04:39 AM
He can shoot it better on any member of the team...but mostly from very close. (FT line and in.)
I think you're selling him short. He's established as our best shooter from 15'. Judging from what I've seen (late last season and this year's Madness) he just as effortless and very accurate from beyond the arc, too.
Quote from: mu03eng on October 14, 2013, 11:21:27 AM
Buzz has said(I'm too lazy to look up where) that Juan is going to play the two, I think he is plenty quick enough to do that and his length makes up for any quickness he doesn't have. The Juan at the 4 experiment failed I don't see him ever down there again.
He didn't say he was going to play "the two." He said that he was moving to guard. Since this is basically a three guard offense, I am pretty sure that means he will play in the position that Trent did last year...and Vander the year before.
I love the versatility we have this year. No matter the situation we have a lineup to answer:
Balanced
De Wilson
Johnson
J Wilson
Taylor
Gardner
Lockdown
De Wilson
Mayo
Anderson
J Wilson
Otule
Run and Gun
Du Wilson
Mayo
Johnson
J Wilson
McKay
Sharpshooters
Du Wilson
Mayo
Johnson
Burton
J Wilson
Bruisers
De Wilson
Anderson
J Wilson
Garnder
Otule
Ok so maybe we will never see the sharpshooters lineup, but any of these packages could be theoretically rolled out as well as a dozen others. Provided our guards find their shot this year, we will be able to respond to any kind of defense. Buzz's analytics and SportVU will be extremely helpful this year.
Quote from: GOO on October 14, 2013, 11:08:28 AM
McKay may be on the bench a lot. Redshirt? I sure don't see him starting this year, not with the guys in front of him. Hope I'm wrong.
I think McKay is going to play quite a bit. In fact by the end of the year, I think he is going to be viewed as one of those guys who does a lot of the little things and the dirty work that we have seen from other Warriors.
Quote from: GOO on October 14, 2013, 11:08:28 AM
McKay may be on the bench a lot. Redshirt? I sure don't see him starting this year, not with the guys in front of him. Hope I'm wrong.
Actually, that's an interesting question.
I have no idea on McKay specifically (never seen him play).
But, theoretically, if MU wants to continue to take JC players, maybe it's a good idea for them to redshirt and give themselves an extra year to complete their coursework to graduate.
I don't have any particular angst over MU bringing in JC players, but I do want MU to graduate players, and if redshirting these kids helps, maybe it's a good option for some future JC guys.
Quote from: Guns n Ammo on October 14, 2013, 11:42:55 AM
Actually, that's an interesting question.
I have no idea on McKay specifically (never seen him play).
But, theoretically, if MU wants to continue to take JC players, maybe it's a good idea for them to redshirt and give themselves an extra year to complete their coursework to graduate.
I don't have any particular angst over MU bringing in JC players, but I do want MU to graduate players, and if redshirting these kids helps, maybe it's a good option for some future JC guys.
McKay shouldn't be a problem. Because he committed a year early he was able to tailor all his courses at IHCC so they would transfer to Marquette and he would be on track to graduate. For other JUCOs, I could definitely see that, just not in this case.
I'd like to see how teams choose to defend Davante and Chris in the lineup together. That's some serious size not many teams in Big East can defend. Davante should be able to adequately cover most 4's..if not and he gets beat off the bounce - Otule is their to defend rim.
Chris showed an improving offensive game last year - you can't put an undersized 5 on him - so he draws the oppositions largest/strongest player most likely. That leaves DG to deal with likely a smaller man who he can flat out abuse in the post...and I'd say DG can far more abuse that type of defender than can that defender abuse DG on offensive end.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on October 14, 2013, 11:36:22 AM
I love the versatility we have this year. No matter the situation we have a lineup to answer:
Balanced
De Wilson
Johnson
J Wilson
Taylor
Gardner
Lockdown
De Wilson
Mayo
Anderson
J Wilson
Otule
Run and Gun
Du Wilson
Mayo
Johnson
J Wilson
McKay
Sharpshooters
Du Wilson
Mayo
Johnson
Burton
J Wilson
Bruisers
De Wilson
Anderson
J Wilson
Garnder
Otule
Ok so maybe we will never see the sharpshooters lineup, but any of these packages could be theoretically rolled out as well as a dozen others. Provided our guards find their shot this year, we will be able to respond to any kind of defense. Buzz's analytics and SportVU will be extremely helpful this year.
I have seen no prof of Deonte being a sharp shooter.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on October 14, 2013, 10:19:45 AM
Gardner is off the charts efficient in the post so that's where he'll be most of the time. But against a zone or maybe a really big, tough inside defender why not move him out to the high post? He can shoot it better than anyone on the team other than Jake and he has great hands and court vision. I'd love to see us run a little of Bill Self's high/low offense, with Davante and Steve as interchangeable parts. Doesn't work as well with Chris (he can't play outside), don't know yet about Jameel.
How do we know yet? I mean, JJJ supposedly can really shoot, and Duane Wilson hit 55% of his 3's in high school. 55%!! You can say it's
only high school, but did Jake shoot 55% on 3's in high school?
I'm at least hopeful that two or three players emerge who not only shoot every bit as well as (or better than) Jake but also can help in other ways.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on October 14, 2013, 11:36:22 AM
I love the versatility we have this year. No matter the situation we have a lineup to answer:
Balanced
De Wilson
Johnson
J Wilson
Taylor
Gardner
Lockdown
De Wilson
Mayo
Anderson
J Wilson
Otule
Run and Gun
Du Wilson
Mayo
Johnson
J Wilson
McKay
Sharpshooters
Du Wilson
Mayo
Johnson
Burton
J Wilson
Bruisers
De Wilson
Anderson
J Wilson
Garnder
Otule
Ok so maybe we will never see the sharpshooters lineup, but any of these packages could be theoretically rolled out as well as a dozen others. Provided our guards find their shot this year, we will be able to respond to any kind of defense. Buzz's analytics and SportVU will be extremely helpful this year.
Sorry to burst your bubble but JWilson and Juan Anderson are not lock down defenders. Wilson is good at help and blocking shots, but also gets blown by quick opponents. Same with Anderson, but less shot blocking ability.
Quote from: willie warrior on October 14, 2013, 01:49:58 PM
Sorry to burst your bubble but JWilson and Juan Anderson are not lock down defenders. Wilson is good at help and blocking shots, but also gets blown by quick opponents. Same with Anderson, but less shot blocking ability.
I am hoping this was just a poorly constructed sentence...
Quote from: MU82 on October 14, 2013, 12:51:10 PM
How do we know yet? I mean, JJJ supposedly can really shoot, and Duane Wilson hit 55% of his 3's in high school. 55%!! You can say it's only high school, but did Jake shoot 55% on 3's in high school?
I'm at least hopeful that two or three players emerge who not only shoot every bit as well as (or better than) Jake but also can help in other ways.
Your correct about Duane, he has a really nice stroke. JJJ looked like a very good player at Madness, but given a shooting form that makes Vander's look like Steve Novak's, he looks more like a scorer than a shooter to me.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on October 14, 2013, 02:54:02 PM
Your correct about Duane, he has a really nice stroke. JJJ looked like a very good player at Madness, but given a shooting form that makes Vander's look like Steve Novak's, he looks more like a scorer than a shooter to me.
Fair enough. I haven't seen either of them play one second, so I will defer to you and others who have.
Quote from: The Sultan of Syncopation on October 14, 2013, 11:35:31 AM
He didn't say he was going to play "the two." He said that he was moving to guard. Since this is basically a three guard offense, I am pretty sure that means he will play in the position that Trent did last year...and Vander the year before.
In Buzz's system the 2-3 is interchangeable. Juan's overall game is better than any other 2 or 3 MU has on the team. Some are better outside shooters. Some may be better ball handlers. None are better passers. No one else puts out so much effort. The only thing bad about Juan's defense is he outs in so much effort he gets out of position. However, I suspect that he would be the best defender, if Buzz told him to lock down on a specific player. As far as comparing him to Jamil. Jamil had 30 blocks in 881 minutes. Juan had 12 blocks in 455 minutes. Adjusting to 855 minutes would equate to 23 blocks, which indicates Jamil is the better shot blocker, but at less than 1 a game it is not a big item. As long as I was looking at that I also looked at steals. Wilson had 20 steals in 881 minutes and Juan had 22 steals in 455 minutes. Adjusting Juan's number to 881 minutes played would result in Juan having 42 steals to Jamil's 20.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on October 14, 2013, 02:54:02 PM
Your correct about Duane, he has a really nice stroke. JJJ looked like a very good player at Madness, but given a shooting form that makes Vander's look like Steve Novak's, he looks more like a scorer than a shooter to me.
I had no problem with JJJs shot. It was certainly falling.
Quote from: bilsu on October 14, 2013, 03:31:00 PM
In Buzz's system the 2-3 is interchangeable. Juan's overall game is better than any other 2 or 3 MU has on the team. Some are better outside shooters. Some may be better ball handlers. None are better passers. No one else puts out so much effort. The only thing bad about Juan's defense is he outs in so much effort he gets out of position. However, I suspect that he would be the best defender, if Buzz told him to lock down on a specific player. As far as comparing him to Jamil. Jamil had 30 blocks in 881 minutes. Juan had 12 blocks in 455 minutes. Adjusting to 855 minutes would equate to 23 blocks, which indicates Jamil is the better shot blocker, but at less than 1 a game it is not a big item. As long as I was looking at that I also looked at steals. Wilson had 20 steals in 881 minutes and Juan had 22 steals in 455 minutes. Adjusting Juan's number to 881 minutes played would result in Juan having 42 steals to Jamil's 20.
That is a very large difference in blocks relative to how many blocks each has. A total of 7 blocks may not seem huge, but when there are 30 blocks throughout an entire season that's a pretty big percentage.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on October 14, 2013, 02:54:02 PM
Your correct about Duane, he has a really nice stroke. JJJ looked like a very good player at Madness, but given a shooting form that makes Vander's look like Steve Novak's, he looks more like a scorer than a shooter to me.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alVtQ1xQj9U
There is definitely nothing wrong with Johnson's stroke. Starts it a bit low, but that's an easy fix. Every once in a while he brings it up from the side but that's more the defense forcing it that way and him forcing up the shot. I know the exact play you're basing his shooting stroke off of from Madness, and that was just him forcing up a shot when it wasn't there and having to shoot it from his left because it would've been stripped if he went straight up. That is not how he normally shoots the ball.
Quote from: wadesworld on October 14, 2013, 05:08:40 PM
That is a very large difference in blocks relative to how many blocks each has. A total of 7 blocks may not seem huge, but when there are 30 blocks throughout an entire season that's a pretty big percentage.
Based on 30 blocks 7 is a large percentage. However, 7 blocks in 35 games is .2 blocks per game or one block every five games. A lot of blocks end up in the offensive teams hands, so the actual effect is not great.
Quote from: wadesworld on October 14, 2013, 05:10:38 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alVtQ1xQj9U
There is definitely nothing wrong with Johnson's stroke. Starts it a bit low, but that's an easy fix. Every once in a while he brings it up from the side but that's more the defense forcing it that way and him forcing up the shot. I know the exact play you're basing his shooting stroke off of from Madness, and that was just him forcing up a shot when it wasn't there and having to shoot it from his left because it would've been stripped if he went straight up. That is not how he normally shoots the ball.
I hope your right.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on October 14, 2013, 08:06:44 PM
I hope your right.
He is right about his form. His shot is a bit long developing, but certainly is solid for an incoming frosh. I'm excited to see what he can do. If he can bulk up a bit he looks like he'll be a beast.
De. Wilson
Mayo
Juan A.
J.Wilson
Otule
But there will be so many substitutions that it doesn't really matter who starts. Gardner will be on the floor during the last 5 min. of the game even though he may not be in the starting lineup. I don't see Otule and Gardner on the floor at the same time for more than a couple min. at a time.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on October 14, 2013, 11:26:24 AM
I think you're selling him short. He's established as our best shooter from 15'. Judging from what I've seen (late last season and this year's Madness) he just as effortless and very accurate from beyond the arc, too.
Exhibition and game are two different things. Since his freshman year DG has been draining threes at the Pro Am, but he still hasn't hit one when it mattered (and that one against SU didn't matter). As a practice shooter, Jake is the best I've seen since Novak, but until he does it in games he's going to be rutted in single-digit minutes. Similarly, Gardner may be able to hit them in warmups, but until he shows he can hit some shots from range with consistency, it doesn't matter.
If Gardner even attempts a 3-pointer in a real game I'd be surprised. And if he does, I think he's probably out of the game at the next opportunity for a "teaching moment".
Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on October 15, 2013, 07:13:39 AM
If Gardner even attempts a 3-pointer in a real game I'd be surprised. And if he does, I think he's probably out of the game at the next opportunity for a "teaching moment".
Really wouldnt shock me at all to be honest. If Otule and him are on the court at the same time I can see Davante playing a stretch 4. Hes a guard trapped in a big mans body hes pretty decent off the dribble and I see him making more 3s then Derrick this year.
Quote from: esard2011 on October 15, 2013, 11:05:43 AM
Really wouldnt shock me at all to be honest. If Otule and him are on the court at the same time I can see Davante playing a stretch 4. Hes a guard trapped in a big mans body hes pretty decent off the dribble and I see him making more 3s then Derrick this year.
No...Gardner is not "a guard trapped in a big man's body." Gardner is a throwback post player who can occasionally step out an hit an outside shot. But that is not a regular part of his game, and until he can hit something consistently in a *real game situation*, that is what his game is.
Quote from: The Sultan of Syncopation on October 15, 2013, 11:12:25 AM
No...Gardner is not "a guard trapped in a big man's body." Gardner is a throwback post player who can occasionally step out an hit an outside shot. But that is not a regular part of his game, and until he can hit something consistently in a *real game situation*, that is what his game is.
Do you not remember when he ran the break capped off with a eurostep against Butler last year?
Quote from: esard2011 on October 15, 2013, 11:14:01 AM
Do you not remember when he ran the break capped off with a eurostep against Butler last year?
Obviously. That doesn't mean he's a guard. It means he has basketball skills that he can use when he has to.
Don't use the outlier to project his game. The outlier is simply the outlier.
Quote from: The Sultan of Syncopation on October 15, 2013, 11:15:47 AM
Obviously. That doesn't mean he's a guard. It means he has basketball skills that he can use when he has to.
Don't use the outlier to project his game. The outlier is simply the outlier.
What about the fact he played PG growing up? Does that help the case for a guard in a big man's body?
Quote from: BagpipingBoxer on October 15, 2013, 12:31:38 PM
What about the fact he played PG growing up? Does that help the case for a guard in a big man's body?
Just look at his game now. Look at what he does. It is not only a big man's game, but it is a throwback to an earlier era, below the rim, big man's game. Yeah, can he dribble when he has to? Sure. Did his childhood point guard skills help? Sure. But that's really not what his bread and butter is.
Kevin Durant is a guard trapped in a big man's body. Magic Johnson was one too. In some ways, so is Lebron James.
Quote from: BagpipingBoxer on October 15, 2013, 12:31:38 PM
What about the fact he played PG growing up? Does that help the case for a guard in a big man's body?
Why would we want him regulary outside when he's proven he can pick up points on the O-boards? While STJ may also pick up points that way, isn't it better to have both pounding the boards, or at least alternating?
The one thing I am absolutely certain about is that Chris starts every single game he's healthy and available. Sure the tip is important. But all one has to do is listen to the Lifetime Achievement Award presentation to understand.
What I'm interested in at the moment is the order for introductions as I believe Buzz takes that somewhat seriously. Personally, I'd begin with JWill and finish with Chris but my instincts tell me it'll be: Chris, Juan/Todd (whoever starts), DeWill, Ox/Steve/Jameel, with Wilson being introduced in the 'Michael Jordan' final slot.
(You'll note that DWade continues to be the 'Jordan' introduction with the Heat. He's earned that right in my mind.)
Quote from: Archies Bat on October 15, 2013, 01:00:54 PM
Why would we want him regulary outside when he's proven he can pick up points on the O-boards? While STJ may also pick up points that way, isn't it better to have both pounding the boards, or at least alternating?
Woah woah woah I at no point suggested I wanted DG regularly outside. I'd like to see him play a bit of Jae and Zar style power forward with the occasional trailer three but don't want him playing the 3 and definitelly not rotating up top. While I think he could do it his physical abilities (weight and endurance) prevent him.
I think you'll see DG take a *lot* more free-throw length shots, from the elbow, maybe from the corners, especially in Big East play. He will probably be our opponent's #1 defensive priority, and they will try to make life difficult for his play at the basket. If he can step out to the elbow and drain it regularly (as he did in one of the Syracuse games last year I believe), then he will be harder to stop. But even that mid-range shot, which I think everyone is pretty comfortable with him taking, was relatively rare last year. Let's see him do that regularly before we start asking him to take 3's in normal game situations.
Quote from: The Sultan of Syncopation on October 15, 2013, 11:15:47 AM
Obviously. That doesn't mean he's a guard. It means he has basketball skills that he can use when he has to.
Don't use the outlier to project his game. The outlier is simply the outlier.
It's only an outlier because Buzz hasn't allowed it, not because Davante doesn't have the skills. In the past Buzz has given his seniors some leeway in showcasing their talent. Unlike ATL, I won't be surprised if Davante takes a 3 in a "real game". I won't even be surprised if it becomes part of the normal game plan. He's that talented, IMO.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on October 15, 2013, 02:20:32 PM
It's only an outlier because Buzz hasn't allowed it, not because Davante doesn't have the skills. In the past Buzz has given his seniors some leeway in showcasing their talent. Unlike ATL, I won't be surprised if Davante takes a 3 in a "real game". I won't even be surprised if it becomes part of the normal game plan. He's that talented, IMO.
I'll put the over/under on 3pt attempts this season at 10.
I'm taking the under.
And, I don't say this because I think DG can't do it, I say it because Buzz is going to want DG running to get into the post and see if he can get position early in a possession. I don't think they are going to have DG shooting trailing 3's. That's Jamil and Steve's area.
Quote from: THRILLHO on October 15, 2013, 02:09:43 PM
I think you'll see DG take a *lot* more free-throw length shots, from the elbow, maybe from the corners, especially in Big East play. He will probably be our opponent's #1 defensive priority, and they will try to make life difficult for his play at the basket. If he can step out to the elbow and drain it regularly (as he did in one of the Syracuse games last year I believe), then he will be harder to stop. But even that mid-range shot, which I think everyone is pretty comfortable with him taking, was relatively rare last year. Let's see him do that regularly before we start asking him to take 3's in normal game situations.
If DG can shoot a reverse pivot baseline jumper, it will really complete his post game, and he'll be really tough to double team.
Quote from: Guns n Ammo on October 15, 2013, 02:51:23 PM
If DG can shoot a reverse pivot baseline jumper, it will really complete his post game, and he'll be really tough to double team.
Jumper? Davante doesn't do jumpers?
Quote from: Lennys Tap on October 15, 2013, 03:00:35 PM
Jumper? Davante doesn't do jumpers?
HA.
Let's call it a "jumper".
Quote from: Guns n Ammo on October 15, 2013, 02:51:23 PM
If DG can shoot a reverse pivot baseline jumper, it will really complete his post game, and he'll be really tough to double team.
Don't forget the Jabbar Sky Hook that he is developing.
Quote from: Guns n Ammo on October 15, 2013, 02:49:33 PM
I'll put the over/under on 3pt attempts this season at 10.
I'm taking the under.
And, I don't say this because I think DG can't do it, I say it because Buzz is going to want DG running to get into the post and see if he can get position early in a possession. I don't think they are going to have DG shooting trailing 3's. That's Jamil and Steve's area.
He will shoot a minium of 30.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on October 15, 2013, 02:20:32 PM
It's only an outlier because Buzz hasn't allowed it, not because Davante doesn't have the skills. In the past Buzz has given his seniors some leeway in showcasing their talent. Unlike ATL, I won't be surprised if Davante takes a 3 in a "real game". I won't even be surprised if it becomes part of the normal game plan. He's that talented, IMO.
This is not a knock against DG as I think he could probably make them at a decent clip if he took them.
But in my opinion one of the worst things that could happen to this team is for DG to make a few 3 pointers. This team doesn't want or need DG hitting a few outside shots and then all the sudden thinking that's part of his game and floating around out on the perimeter. We need him banging down low, establishing position for either a post entry pass or to be in position to rebound, and we need him drawing fouls and making free throws. That's his game, dominating on the inside.
The only three pointer I'd be ok with from DG is of the Damon Key variety at the top of the key trailing the break. And only in VERY limited quantities...probably in games where the outcome is already decided.
Quote from: bilsu on October 15, 2013, 04:32:21 PM
He will shoot a minium of 30.
Three pointers?
You realize he has shot 6 during his three years here, and the only one he made was in garbage time against Syracuse in the E8, right?
Why are we projecting him to be something he hasn't been previously?
Quote from: Lennys Tap on October 15, 2013, 02:20:32 PM
It's only an outlier because Buzz hasn't allowed it, not because Davante doesn't have the skills. In the past Buzz has given his seniors some leeway in showcasing their talent. Unlike ATL, I won't be surprised if Davante takes a 3 in a "real game". I won't even be surprised if it becomes part of the normal game plan. He's that talented, IMO.
Based on what evidence?
I simply don't buy into the idea that DG has these offensive skills that Buzz wouldn't let him use. Why wouldn't he? Why wouldn't he try to help a team that needed outside shooting last year?
Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on October 15, 2013, 04:41:22 PM
This is not a knock against DG as I think he could probably make them at a decent clip if he took them.
But in my opinion one of the worst things that could happen to this team is for DG to make a few 3 pointers. This team doesn't want or need DG hitting a few outside shots and then all the sudden thinking that's part of his game and floating around out on the perimeter. We need him banging down low, establishing position for either a post entry pass or to be in position to rebound, and we need him drawing fouls and making free throws. That's his game, dominating on the inside.
The only three pointer I'd be ok with from DG is of the Damon Key variety at the top of the key trailing the break. And only in VERY limited quantities...probably in games where the outcome is already decided.
Absolutely agree. If DG is out at the 3 pt line that means he is not underneath where he has been a force both at scoring and drawing fouls. That is where he helps the team the most and where he needs to be.
He has also not proven that he is a 3 pt threat under game conditions.
So with the departure of McKay and the injury to Duane I have a new lineup for the beginning of the season. New predictions on playing time as well:
1: De Wilson 25 mpg, 4.7 ppg, 3.2 apg
2: Johnson 24 mpg, 9.8 ppg
3: Anderson 19 mpg, 6.6 ppg 3.8 rpg
4: J Wilson 30 mpg 14.4 ppg, 4.8 rpg
5. Otule 20 mpg, 6.4 ppg, 3.5 rpg, 1.5 bpg
Bench:
1. Gardner 24 mpg, 14.2 ppg, 5.2 rpg
2. Mayo 22 mpg, 9.1 ppg, 2.7 apg
3. Taylor 18 mpg, 6.2 ppg, 4.1 rpg
4. Thomas 8 mpg, 2.2 ppg
5. Dawson 7 mpg, 1.7 ppg, 1.2 apg
6. Burton 3 mpg, 0.8 ppg
The numbers are complete guesses and speculation. Some will balk at Mayo not starting but I think his role will be similar to Buycks' when we had the micro guards. Mayo will backup both the 1 and the 2. I think this gives us a solid 8 man rotation with three players on the bench who have talent to play bigger minutes if we need them.
Only 15 days, 9 hours, 11 minutes, and 7 seconds until the season tips off...
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on October 24, 2013, 10:41:38 AM
So with the departure of McKay and the injury to Duane I have a new lineup for the beginning of the season. New predictions on playing time as well:
1: De Wilson 25 mpg, 4.7 ppg, 3.2 apg
2: Johnson 24 mpg, 9.8 ppg
3: Anderson 19 mpg, 6.6 ppg 3.8 rpg
4: J Wilson 30 mpg 14.4 ppg, 4.8 rpg
5. Otule 20 mpg, 6.4 ppg, 3.5 rpg, 1.5 bpg
Bench:
1. Gardner 24 mpg, 14.2 ppg, 5.2 rpg
2. Mayo 22 mpg, 9.1 ppg, 2.7 apg
3. Taylor 18 mpg, 6.2 ppg, 4.1 rpg
4. Thomas 8 mpg, 2.2 ppg
5. Dawson 7 mpg, 1.7 ppg, 1.2 apg
6. Burton 3 mpg, 0.8 ppg
The numbers are complete guesses and speculation. Some will balk at Mayo not starting but I think his role will be similar to Buycks' when we had the micro guards. Mayo will backup both the 1 and the 2. I think this gives us a solid 8 man rotation with three players on the bench who have talent to play bigger minutes if we need them.
Only 15 days, 9 hours, 11 minutes, and 7 seconds until the season tips off...
Really doubt Jamil plays the 4 this year. With Duane out I really think Buzz takes advantage of the size and puts Steve at the 4, Jamil at the 3 and Juan at the 2.
Quote from: esard2011 on October 24, 2013, 11:48:03 AM
Really doubt Jamil plays the 4 this year. With Duane out I really think Buzz takes advantage of the size and puts Steve at the 4, Jamil at the 3 and Juan at the 2.
With all of the lineup changes that Buzz uses during a game, Jamil will play some 4.
But it won't be as a regular rotation and will be pretty limited.
Quote from: LLRj Since 1986 on October 12, 2013, 01:27:38 PM
Did any of y'all catch Davante's media day interview? He ranked Dawson above Duane.
I know these interviews and the scrimmage might not mean much, but come actual game time I'm excited about any combination we put out there!
Bump. Reminder.
Quote from: THRILLHO on October 15, 2013, 02:09:43 PM
I think you'll see DG take a *lot* more free-throw length shots, from the elbow, maybe from the corners, especially in Big East play. He will probably be our opponent's #1 defensive priority, and they will try to make life difficult for his play at the basket. If he can step out to the elbow and drain it regularly (as he did in one of the Syracuse games last year I believe), then he will be harder to stop. But even that mid-range shot, which I think everyone is pretty comfortable with him taking, was relatively rare last year. Let's see him do that regularly before we start asking him to take 3's in normal game situations.
As long as we're revisiting a months-old thread let me just point out how wrong my prediction was. Turns out that they basically couldn't stop him on the low block so there was no need to go further out. If you would've told me that at the beginning of the season I probably would've been expecting a much better record!
Interesting to go back and re-read the predictions. The one clear shocker for everyone was that Jake Thomas not only started, but he also got the 2nd most minutes on the team. Everyone pegged Mayo or JJJ for his spot...and the reports from the Madness scrimmage all indicated Todd looked really good...and of course he dropped 20 points in first tightly contested game against Southern...in 22 minutes of action.
Will never understand why Todd wasn't given 30+ per game from at least the beginning of conference play and against all of the tough non-conference opponents.
Then again, there were a lot of head scratching things about this season.
Quote from: Ners on March 16, 2014, 09:28:16 AM
Interesting to go back and re-read the predictions. The one clear shocker for everyone was that Jake Thomas not only started, but he also got the 2nd most minutes on the team. Everyone pegged Mayo or JJJ for his spot...and the reports from the Madness scrimmage all indicated Todd looked really good...and of course he dropped 20 points in first tightly contested game against Southern...in 22 minutes of action.
Will never understand why Todd wasn't given 30+ per game from at least the beginning of conference play and against all of the tough non-conference opponents.
Then again, there were a lot of head scratching things about this season.
What is there not to understand about it Ners? Same reason for slurping Derrick. In Buzz we trust!