predicting the starting lineup: post-madness

[GGGG]

Gardner is off the charts efficient in the post so that's where he'll be most of the time. But against a zone or maybe a really big, tough inside defender why not move him out to the high post? He can shoot it better than anyone on the team other than Jake and he has great hands and court vision. I'd love to see us run a little of Bill Self's high/low offense, with Davante and Steve as interchangeable parts. Doesn't work as well with Chris (he can't play outside), don't know yet about Jameel.

He can shoot it better on any member of the team...but mostly from very close.  (FT line and in.)

[GOO]

If McKay is going to get any PT, this is how he is going to have to get it.  He seems a high motor, athletic player, but I just don't see how his game fits with the pieces we have.  Very tiny sample size, but unless McKay can play the high low there is no way he and Gardner play together, leaving him to only play with Otule.

McKay may be on the bench a lot.  Redshirt?  I sure don't see him starting this year, not with the guys in front of him. Hope I'm wrong.

I think Juan and Jamil will play some 4 in a back up roll. I don't see Juan guarding quicker 2's, so he is a 3 that can play the 4.

When Gardner is in, we need guys on the floor, especially at the 4, that can hit open 3's to draw defenders out of the lane and out of zones.

[mu03eng]

McKay may be on the bench a lot.  Redshirt?  I sure don't see him starting this year, not with the guys in front of him. Hope I'm wrong.

I think Juan and Jamil will play some 4 in a back up roll. I don't see Juan guarding quicker 2's, so he is a 3 that can play the 4.

When Gardner is in, we need guys on the floor, especially at the 4, that can hit open 3's to draw defenders out of the lane and out of zones.

Buzz has said(I'm too lazy to look up where) that Juan is going to play the two, I think he is plenty quick enough to do that and his length makes up for any quickness he doesn't have.  The Juan at the 4 experiment failed I don't see him ever down there again.

As far as Jamil, I suppose in certain situations it makes sense to have him at the 4 but his real potential and place to succeed in this league or the adult league is going to be playing the 3.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

I just don't think Gardner is a natural 4.  I see him as a undersized short 5.

I don't think undersized fits ox's build, lol

[Lennys Tap]

He can shoot it better on any member of the team...but mostly from very close.  (FT line and in.)

I think you're selling him short. He's established as our best shooter from 15'. Judging from what I've seen (late last season and this year's Madness) he just as effortless and very accurate from beyond the arc, too.

[GGGG]

Buzz has said(I'm too lazy to look up where) that Juan is going to play the two, I think he is plenty quick enough to do that and his length makes up for any quickness he doesn't have.  The Juan at the 4 experiment failed I don't see him ever down there again.

He didn't say he was going to play "the two."  He said that he was moving to guard.  Since this is basically a three guard offense, I am pretty sure that means he will play in the position that Trent did last year...and Vander the year before.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

I love the versatility we have this year. No matter the situation we have a lineup to answer:

Balanced
De Wilson
Johnson
J Wilson
Taylor
Gardner

Lockdown
De Wilson
Mayo
Anderson
J Wilson
Otule

Run and Gun
Du Wilson
Mayo
Johnson
J Wilson
McKay

Sharpshooters
Du Wilson
Mayo
Johnson
Burton
J Wilson

Bruisers
De Wilson
Anderson
J Wilson
Garnder
Otule

Ok so maybe we will never see the sharpshooters lineup, but any of these packages could be theoretically rolled out as well as a dozen others. Provided our guards find their shot this year, we will be able to respond to any kind of defense. Buzz's analytics and SportVU will be extremely helpful this year.

[GGGG]

McKay may be on the bench a lot.  Redshirt?  I sure don't see him starting this year, not with the guys in front of him. Hope I'm wrong.

I think McKay is going to play quite a bit.  In fact by the end of the year, I think he is going to be viewed as one of those guys who does a lot of the little things and the dirty work that we have seen from other Warriors.  

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

McKay may be on the bench a lot.  Redshirt?  I sure don't see him starting this year, not with the guys in front of him. Hope I'm wrong.

Actually, that's an interesting question.

I have no idea on McKay specifically (never seen him play).

But, theoretically, if MU wants to continue to take JC players, maybe it's a good idea for them to redshirt and give themselves an extra year to complete their coursework to graduate.

I don't have any particular angst over MU bringing in JC players, but I do want MU to graduate players, and if redshirting these kids helps, maybe it's a good option for some future JC guys.

[brewcity77]

Actually, that's an interesting question.

I have no idea on McKay specifically (never seen him play).

But, theoretically, if MU wants to continue to take JC players, maybe it's a good idea for them to redshirt and give themselves an extra year to complete their coursework to graduate.

I don't have any particular angst over MU bringing in JC players, but I do want MU to graduate players, and if redshirting these kids helps, maybe it's a good option for some future JC guys.

McKay shouldn't be a problem. Because he committed a year early he was able to tailor all his courses at IHCC so they would transfer to Marquette and he would be on track to graduate. For other JUCOs, I could definitely see that, just not in this case.

[NersEllenson]

I'd like to see how teams choose to defend Davante and Chris in the lineup together.  That's some serious size not many teams in Big East can defend.  Davante should be able to adequately cover most 4's..if not and he gets beat off the bounce - Otule is their to defend rim.

Chris showed an improving offensive game last year - you can't put an undersized 5 on him - so he draws the oppositions largest/strongest player most likely.  That leaves DG to deal with likely a smaller man who he can flat out abuse in the post...and I'd say DG can far more abuse that type of defender than can that defender abuse DG on offensive end.

[ChitownSpaceForRent]

I love the versatility we have this year. No matter the situation we have a lineup to answer:

Balanced
De Wilson
Johnson
J Wilson
Taylor
Gardner

Lockdown
De Wilson
Mayo
Anderson
J Wilson
Otule

Run and Gun
Du Wilson
Mayo
Johnson
J Wilson
McKay

Sharpshooters
Du Wilson
Mayo
Johnson
Burton
J Wilson

Bruisers
De Wilson
Anderson
J Wilson
Garnder
Otule

Ok so maybe we will never see the sharpshooters lineup, but any of these packages could be theoretically rolled out as well as a dozen others. Provided our guards find their shot this year, we will be able to respond to any kind of defense. Buzz's analytics and SportVU will be extremely helpful this year.

I have seen no prof of Deonte being a sharp shooter.

[MU82]

Gardner is off the charts efficient in the post so that's where he'll be most of the time. But against a zone or maybe a really big, tough inside defender why not move him out to the high post? He can shoot it better than anyone on the team other than Jake and he has great hands and court vision. I'd love to see us run a little of Bill Self's high/low offense, with Davante and Steve as interchangeable parts. Doesn't work as well with Chris (he can't play outside), don't know yet about Jameel.

How do we know yet? I mean, JJJ supposedly can really shoot, and Duane Wilson hit 55% of his 3's in high school. 55%!! You can say it's only high school, but did Jake shoot 55% on 3's in high school?

I'm at least hopeful that two or three players emerge who not only shoot every bit as well as (or better than) Jake but also can help in other ways.

[willie warrior]

I love the versatility we have this year. No matter the situation we have a lineup to answer:

Balanced
De Wilson
Johnson
J Wilson
Taylor
Gardner

Lockdown
De Wilson
Mayo
Anderson
J Wilson
Otule

Run and Gun
Du Wilson
Mayo
Johnson
J Wilson
McKay

Sharpshooters
Du Wilson
Mayo
Johnson
Burton
J Wilson

Bruisers
De Wilson
Anderson
J Wilson
Garnder
Otule

Ok so maybe we will never see the sharpshooters lineup, but any of these packages could be theoretically rolled out as well as a dozen others. Provided our guards find their shot this year, we will be able to respond to any kind of defense. Buzz's analytics and SportVU will be extremely helpful this year.

Sorry to burst your bubble but JWilson and Juan Anderson are not lock down defenders. Wilson is good at help and blocking shots, but also gets blown by quick opponents. Same with Anderson, but less shot blocking ability.

[ATL MU Warrior]

Sorry to burst your bubble but JWilson and Juan Anderson are not lock down defenders. Wilson is good at help and blocking shots, but also gets blown by quick opponents. Same with Anderson, but less shot blocking ability.

I am hoping this was just a poorly constructed sentence...

[Lennys Tap]

How do we know yet? I mean, JJJ supposedly can really shoot, and Duane Wilson hit 55% of his 3's in high school. 55%!! You can say it's only high school, but did Jake shoot 55% on 3's in high school?

I'm at least hopeful that two or three players emerge who not only shoot every bit as well as (or better than) Jake but also can help in other ways.

Your correct about Duane, he has a really nice stroke. JJJ looked like a very good player at Madness, but given a shooting form that makes Vander's look like Steve Novak's, he looks more like a scorer than a shooter to me.

[MU82]

Your correct about Duane, he has a really nice stroke. JJJ looked like a very good player at Madness, but given a shooting form that makes Vander's look like Steve Novak's, he looks more like a scorer than a shooter to me.

Fair enough. I haven't seen either of them play one second, so I will defer to you and others who have.

[bilsu]

He didn't say he was going to play "the two."  He said that he was moving to guard.  Since this is basically a three guard offense, I am pretty sure that means he will play in the position that Trent did last year...and Vander the year before.

In Buzz's system the 2-3 is interchangeable. Juan's overall game is better than any other 2 or 3 MU has on the team. Some are better outside shooters. Some may be better ball handlers. None are better passers. No one else puts out so much effort. The only thing bad about Juan's defense is he outs in so much effort he gets out of position. However, I suspect that he would be the best defender, if Buzz told him to lock down on a specific player. As far as comparing him to Jamil. Jamil had 30 blocks in 881 minutes. Juan had 12 blocks in 455 minutes. Adjusting to 855 minutes would equate to 23 blocks, which indicates Jamil is the better shot blocker, but at less than 1 a game it is not a big item. As long as I was looking at that I also looked at steals. Wilson had 20 steals in 881 minutes and Juan had 22 steals in 455 minutes. Adjusting Juan's number to 881 minutes played would result in Juan having 42 steals to Jamil's 20.

[ChitownSpaceForRent]

Your correct about Duane, he has a really nice stroke. JJJ looked like a very good player at Madness, but given a shooting form that makes Vander's look like Steve Novak's, he looks more like a scorer than a shooter to me.

I had no problem with JJJs shot. It was certainly falling.

[wadesworld]

In Buzz's system the 2-3 is interchangeable. Juan's overall game is better than any other 2 or 3 MU has on the team. Some are better outside shooters. Some may be better ball handlers. None are better passers. No one else puts out so much effort. The only thing bad about Juan's defense is he outs in so much effort he gets out of position. However, I suspect that he would be the best defender, if Buzz told him to lock down on a specific player. As far as comparing him to Jamil. Jamil had 30 blocks in 881 minutes. Juan had 12 blocks in 455 minutes. Adjusting to 855 minutes would equate to 23 blocks, which indicates Jamil is the better shot blocker, but at less than 1 a game it is not a big item. As long as I was looking at that I also looked at steals. Wilson had 20 steals in 881 minutes and Juan had 22 steals in 455 minutes. Adjusting Juan's number to 881 minutes played would result in Juan having 42 steals to Jamil's 20.

That is a very large difference in blocks relative to how many blocks each has.  A total of 7 blocks may not seem huge, but when there are 30 blocks throughout an entire season that's a pretty big percentage.

[wadesworld]

Your correct about Duane, he has a really nice stroke. JJJ looked like a very good player at Madness, but given a shooting form that makes Vander's look like Steve Novak's, he looks more like a scorer than a shooter to me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alVtQ1xQj9U

There is definitely nothing wrong with Johnson's stroke.  Starts it a bit low, but that's an easy fix.  Every once in a while he brings it up from the side but that's more the defense forcing it that way and him forcing up the shot.  I know the exact play you're basing his shooting stroke off of from Madness, and that was just him forcing up a shot when it wasn't there and having to shoot it from his left because it would've been stripped if he went straight up.  That is not how he normally shoots the ball.

[bilsu]

That is a very large difference in blocks relative to how many blocks each has.  A total of 7 blocks may not seem huge, but when there are 30 blocks throughout an entire season that's a pretty big percentage.

Based on 30 blocks 7 is a large percentage. However, 7 blocks in 35 games is .2 blocks per game or one block every five games. A lot of blocks end up in the offensive teams hands, so the actual effect is not great.

[Lennys Tap]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alVtQ1xQj9U

There is definitely nothing wrong with Johnson's stroke.  Starts it a bit low, but that's an easy fix.  Every once in a while he brings it up from the side but that's more the defense forcing it that way and him forcing up the shot.  I know the exact play you're basing his shooting stroke off of from Madness, and that was just him forcing up a shot when it wasn't there and having to shoot it from his left because it would've been stripped if he went straight up.  That is not how he normally shoots the ball.

I hope your right.

[Ellenson Guerrero]

I hope your right.

He is right about his form. His shot is a bit long developing, but certainly is solid for an incoming frosh. I'm excited to see what he can do. If he can bulk up a bit he looks like he'll be a beast.

[raul]

De. Wilson
Mayo
Juan A.
J.Wilson
Otule

But there will be so many substitutions that it doesn't really matter who starts. Gardner will  be on the floor during the last 5 min. of the game even though he may not be in the starting lineup. I don't see Otule and Gardner  on the floor at the same time for more than a couple min. at a time.