We need just one big from 2014.....any info on this one?
He goes by the nickname "Blammers" b/c of his thunderous dunks.
(http://media.kens5.com/images/BKH+Alamo+Heights+center+Ben+Lammers1.jpg)
http://www.kens5.com/community/blogs/featured-blogs/Alamo-Heights-Lammers-commands-attention-on-both-ends-of-basketball-court-187529011.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OcThnPro6IU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2c85QJHCnk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4TWztjp8Pg
Seriously, no chance in my mind. Way to far away.
Quote from: BCHoopster on August 12, 2013, 06:16:40 PM
Seriously, no chance in my mind. Way to far away.
like san antonio is way to far away from milwaukee???
How is someone "who has the potential to be one of the best high school post players in San Antonio history" only a 2.5 star? Is the talent pool that thin down there?
Quote from: 77ncaachamps on August 12, 2013, 06:08:31 PM
(http://media.kens5.com/images/BKH+Alamo+Heights+center+Ben+Lammers1.jpg)
Is that his fifth grade picture?
Incredible mixtapes
The kid has a great personality :)
Pretty sure the Fan Favorite Ben Peavy was a Alamo Heights Alum.....
Just what we need, a solid center. No switchable.
I'm Brett Roseboro, and I'm a beast.
What's the opposite of quick?
Blamm.
Not saying that I don't want this kid to commit but I feel he's more in the Roseboro, Mbao, McMorrow family than the Ousmane Barro, Otule, McIlvine family.
Quote from: BagpipingBoxer on August 13, 2013, 03:35:23 PM
Not saying that I don't want this kid to commit but I feel he's more in the Roseboro, Mbao, McMorrow family than the Ousmane Barro, Otule, McIlvine family.
Hopefully Buzz will be able to work with him the same way he has with Otule. Doesn't Buzz always say that statistically speaking Chris was the worst basketball player to ever come out of Texas 6'8 or taller (something along those lines)? Also Wainwright will probably be pitching his Tim Duncan spiel to get this kid on board, playing that San Antonio connection.
Quote from: BagpipingBoxer on August 13, 2013, 03:35:23 PM
Not saying that I don't want this kid to commit but I feel he's more in the Roseboro, Mbao, McMorrow family than the Ousmane Barro, Otule, McIlvine family.
What? You don't see the family resemblance?
(http://thehotread.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/Jim-mcilvaine.jpg)
(http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=39456.0;attach=4243;image)
Seriously... add a Breath-Right and you've got yourself a Jimmy Mac doppelganger.
Quote from: BagpipingBoxer on August 13, 2013, 03:35:23 PM
Not saying that I don't want this kid to commit but I feel he's more in the Roseboro, Mbao, McMorrow family than the Ousmane Barro, Otule, McIlvine family.
Maybe. But the kid also has offers from Baylor, Miami, Kansas State and Oklahoma State, so some pretty respectable schools seem to think he's worth a shot.
Can't recall who else offered Roseboro, but I thought we were one of the only high majors ever to offer(?)
From all that I've read he's dominant on the defensive end and runs the floor very well. Seems like he has very good potential. He's ranked right around the top 10 high school players in Texas.
But by all means continue to rip a high school kid on a public forum.
Quote from: BagpipingBoxer on August 13, 2013, 03:35:23 PM
Not saying that I don't want this kid to commit but I feel he's more in the Roseboro, Mbao, McMorrow family than the Ousmane Barro, Otule, McIlvine family.
http://vmedia.rivals.com/uploads/948/1418843.pdf
Rated by Texas Hoops the number 12 player in Texas. One spot ahead of Khadeem Lattin who was mentioned on this board.
Quote from: QuetteHoops on August 13, 2013, 08:13:19 PM
From all that I've read he's dominant on the defensive end and runs the floor very well. Seems like he has very good potential. He's ranked right around the top 10 high school players in Texas.
But by all means continue to rip a high school kid on a public forum.
Bingo. Especially one that Buzz is recruiting.
Quote from: QuetteHoops on August 13, 2013, 08:13:19 PM
From all that I've read he's dominant on the defensive end and runs the floor very well. Seems like he has very good potential. He's ranked right around the top 10 high school players in Texas.
But by all means continue to rip a high school kid on a public forum.
I agree ripping on high school kids is not right under any circumstances. I think some of the problem for some people is forgetting to take into consideration age context, especially with bigs.
The first youtube video is really not all that exciting, until you realize it is 2 years old. He was likely 14 or 15 in it (6'8" already), given that context he is already well developed skill wise and is sell coordinated, not easy for a 6'8" 15 year old.
Quote from: QuetteHoops on August 13, 2013, 08:13:19 PM
From all that I've read he's dominant on the defensive end and runs the floor very well. Seems like he has very good potential. He's ranked right around the top 10 high school players in Texas.
But by all means continue to rip a high school kid on a public forum.
True, ripping on high school kids, especially those that Buzz isn't recruiting isn't great, but where in this thread was this happening???? I see one questioning if he's quick and a one other saying they "have a feeling" that he may compare to other players. Hardly any criticism really.
Looks like he could develop into a good player under Buzz. I'd be ecstatic to have him here.
Quote from: QuetteHoops on August 13, 2013, 08:13:19 PM
From all that I've read he's dominant on the defensive end and runs the floor very well. Seems like he has very good potential. He's ranked right around the top 10 high school players in Texas.
But by all means continue to rip a high school kid on a public forum.
Who is really ripping the kid?, but by all means keep building those straw men.
Well, at least if he does come, he won't be seen in any bars - he looks like the opposite of Greg Oden, who always looked to me as if he were thirty.
The story on him is he has had a real good summer, Played on a under the Radar AAU team. has good hands, Long arms, good timing on blocking shots, gets up and down the floor well for a 6-10 kid and from the pictures is probably just now growing into his Frame.
Big Kids with Good hands and nimble feet and good timing is all you really want to see in the college center's, that means they can really be taught and improve. If they have bad hands, clumsy feet and bad timing they can only improve so much.
Davante has really good hands and feet and look how much he has improved and contributed at the college level as a borderline High Major recruit.
Who would be the last Center MU has signed that was rated higher coming out of high school?
I thought he looked very solid in the Video. Blocked shots without fouling, seemed to be able to catch the ball in traffic, and transitioned from the Off end to the Def end fairly quickly.
Get him with MU's S&C coach for 16 months and he could be really good. The 12th best player in Texas is a borderline 4 star recruit. they typically have 4 ***** and about another 6-8****.
Quote from: teddycoke on August 13, 2013, 03:12:45 PM
Pretty sure the Fan Favorite Ben Peavy was a Alamo Heights Alum.....
yup, he is ... Ben lives in San Antonio with his family.
Quote from: hairyworthen on August 14, 2013, 06:53:43 AM
Who is really ripping the kid?, but by all means keep building those straw men.
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=39456.msg510004#msg510004
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=39456.msg510007#msg510007
And you.
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=39456.msg510015#msg510015
Quote from: kmwtrucks on August 14, 2013, 08:19:43 AM
The story on him is he has had a real good summer, Played on a under the Radar AAU team. has good hands, Long arms, good timing on blocking shots, gets up and down the floor well for a 6-10 kid and from the pictures is probably just now growing into his Frame.
Big Kids with Good hands and nimble feet and good timing is all you really want to see in the college center's, that means they can really be taught and improve. If they have bad hands, clumsy feet and bad timing they can only improve so much.
Davante has really good hands and feet and look how much he has improved and contributed at the college level as a borderline High Major recruit.
Who would be the last Center MU has signed that was rated higher coming out of high school?
I thought he looked very solid in the Video. Blocked shots without fouling, seemed to be able to catch the ball in traffic, and transitioned from the Off end to the Def end fairly quickly.
Get him with MU's S&C coach for 16 months and he could be really good. The 12th best player in Texas is a borderline 4 star recruit. they typically have 4 ***** and about another 6-8****.
Could not agree more. Large talent pool in Texas. People see 1 picture and the star rating and quickly comes to the conclusion he's not good enough for us - despite the fact that Buzz is recruiting him. "He's Roseboro....He's Mbao." I don't think so.
After watching some of the videos of him, he has great hands and good footwork. Could it improve? Of course it can, but he's got a really nice drop step and really knows how to seal the defender and cover ground with it. High release on his jumpshot and can hook with both hands. He's very long and can replace O'Tule as a serviceable defensive anchor in the middle. The guy averaged 5+BPG (I'll have to find the link to that).
http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/high_school/high_school_boys_basketball/article/Boys-basketball-playoff-preview-3337659.php#ixzz1n1annDnY
Quote from: Terror Skink on August 14, 2013, 08:53:26 AM
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=39456.msg510004#msg510004
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=39456.msg510007#msg510007
And you.
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=39456.msg510015#msg510015
Hey all I did was offer an opinion for every post on a potential recruit or committed recruit there's dozens of mostly negative posts. I said I wouldn't mind him committing because I trust Buzz. I just also stated my guy feeling.
Quote from: BagpipingBoxer on August 14, 2013, 09:11:07 AM
Hey all I did was offer an opinion for every post on a potential recruit or committed recruit there's dozens of mostly negative posts. I said I wouldn't mind him committing because I trust Buzz. I just also stated my guy feeling.
Did you click on the links? I didn't include yours.
Quote from: Terror Skink on August 14, 2013, 08:53:26 AM
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=39456.msg510004#msg510004
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=39456.msg510007#msg510007
And you.
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=39456.msg510015#msg510015
Ok whatever. I don't really see any serious attacks on the kid. Seemed a little self righteous post to me.
as far as myself, I was simply answering 4evers question. I rarely comment on recruits good or bad, the coaches would know what they want better than any poster on MU Scoop. Besides you never know what you have until he starts playing.
Quote from: BagpipingBoxer on August 13, 2013, 03:35:23 PM
Not saying that I don't want this kid to commit but I feel he's more in the Roseboro, Mbao, McMorrow family than the Ousmane Barro, Otule, McIlvine family.
Jim McIlvaine is at least one family group up from Barro and Otule. I put Jimmy Mac around the bottom of the group of Marquette centers who were
NBA first round picks.
None of us know a thing about this kid. Watching a few video clips is meaningless.
If Buzz really offered him, and the other programs listed did, too, I don't see why we wouldn't want a tall drink o' water with some talent and lots of upside.
If he doesn't work out, he doesn't work out. Welcome to recruiting. If he does work out, we're a better team for several years.
Jeff Borzello @jeffborzello 27 Jul
My second time watching Ben Lammers this week. Big body, finishes well around the basket, doesn't mind contact, good rebounder. Big 12.
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Hoopniks @Hoopniks 27 Jul
Plently of interest in S. Texas Spurs and Florida Elite. Texas big men Ben Lammers and David Wacker both intriguing. #Super64
Quote from: Terror Skink on August 14, 2013, 09:15:15 AM
Did you click on the links? I didn't include yours.
Mine showed up on one of the links maybe it was below the post you were going for or something I just got defensive
Quote from: LittleMurs on August 14, 2013, 10:16:54 AM
Jim McIlvaine is at least one family group up from Barro and Otule. I put Jimmy Mac around the bottom of the group of Marquette centers who were NBA first round picks.
True I was just listing successful centers not discriminating how successful
Whatever happened to "In Buzz We Trust"???
If the coaching staff goes to watch him play, he's worth a look.
If Buzz is recruiting him, he's worth the time.
If Buzz offers him a scholarship, he's worth the consideration.
If Buzz gets him on campus, he has to be a Warrior.
No stars, stats, or commentary will convince me otherwise.
Quote from: Benny B on August 14, 2013, 12:25:00 PM
Whatever happened to "In Buzz We Trust"???
If the coaching staff goes to watch him play, he's worth a look.
If Buzz is recruiting him, he's worth the time.
If Buzz offers him a scholarship, he's worth the consideration.
If Buzz gets him on campus, he has to be a Warrior.
No stars, stats, or commentary will convince me otherwise.
+1
Whatever!!!! Sign him! 6-10 or 6-11 growing body.
Quote from: Benny B on August 14, 2013, 12:25:00 PM
Whatever happened to "In Buzz We Trust"???
It still applies, unless Scoopers have a different opinion.
Aug. 29 - Official visit to MU
Come on down, but the vid says hes 6'9" 205!
We've seen that star ratings are helpful, but as with our current bigs, don't tell the whole story. In the past 4 months, Myles Turner has gone from "who" to top-100 to top-25 to top-10 to arguably the best big in the 2014 class. Who's to say that Lammers couldn't do the same? Buzz saw it in McGary, Embiid, and Turner, but they all blew up a little too soon for us to land them. Maybe this kid is next. Considering our need for a big next year, I'd be happy to see Lammers come in and get a shot. Best case scenario, he's an athletic rebounder that can contribute on both ends from day one. Worst case scenario, he's the second coming of Mbao. And how much did having Yous here hurt the long term prospects of the program under Buzz? Not a damn bit.
Could recruiting this kid be a sign that Buzz and the staff are feeling less confident about being able to sign Stone and figure they've got to get a center? If Ben were to accept during his visit have we lost the chance to get Stone? It seemed like signing D Wilson that we had a real shot at Stone and he could have been the missing piece.
Quote from: NotAnAlum on August 14, 2013, 10:51:50 PM
Could recruiting this kid be a sign that Buzz and the staff are feeling less confident about being able to sign Stone and figure they've got to get a center? If Ben were to accept during his visit have we lost the chance to get Stone? It seemed like signing D Wilson that we had a real shot at Stone and he could have been the missing piece.
To answer your question, no. First of all, they're different classes. Buzz has said he wants one center and one point guard in each class. If we get Lammers, he is the center for the recruiting class of 2014. Stone could still definitely be the center for the recruiting class of 2015. Second of all, we need a center for the 2014-2015 season, as we will have none on the roster without Lammers. Third of all, if Stone is afraid of a little competition, especially from a guy who is not in the top 100 nationally and is a 2.5 star recruit, then he doesn't have the mental makeup to be a high major player. If he's going to go to Kentucky, Kansas, Duke, or North Carolina, he's going to face much stiffer competition for playing time than Ben Lammers (not a slam on Lammers). If he's scared of competition like Lammers, then he shouldn't be ranked in the top 10 in the country, shouldn't be a 5 star recruit, and will never see the NBA. He should go to South Dakota State and dominate the 6'6" posts he'll play against.
Lammers looks like a Cole Aldrich in the making.
He's going to have to bulk up for the bruising on the block, keep the energy and fitness up for going baseline to baseline, and develop more of a frontcourt gameas he will probably play tat at the next level.
Quote from: NotAnAlum on August 14, 2013, 10:51:50 PM
Could recruiting this kid be a sign that Buzz and the staff are feeling less confident about being able to sign Stone and figure they've got to get a center? If Ben were to accept during his visit have we lost the chance to get Stone? It seemed like signing D Wilson that we had a real shot at Stone and he could have been the missing piece.
The intent could be to have a center for Stone to go against during practice and someone who can help teach stone our system from a center's standpoint.
Quote from: NotAnAlum on August 14, 2013, 10:51:50 PMCould recruiting this kid be a sign that Buzz and the staff are feeling less confident about being able to sign Stone and figure they've got to get a center?
Wades covered most of this regarding Stone, but what this is more likely a sign of is that the ship has sailed on Turner and Okonoboh. Not really a surprise.
Quote from: NotAnAlum on August 14, 2013, 10:51:50 PM
Could recruiting this kid be a sign that Buzz and the staff are feeling less confident about being able to sign Stone and figure they've got to get a center? If Ben were to accept during his visit have we lost the chance to get Stone? It seemed like signing D Wilson that we had a real shot at Stone and he could have been the missing piece.
In my opinion this would increase the chance of getting Stone. Stone is higher rated so he should not be afraid of MU signing another center. However, he would be crazy to go to MU, if he was the only big body on the team. To improve you need to pratice against other big people. Besides that how many minutes does a center realistically play in a game? I would say an average of 28 minutes a game for a starting center would be a lot, so there are plenty of minutes for two centers.
Quote from: Slim on August 14, 2013, 06:47:56 PM
Aug. 29 - Official visit to MU
Right during the Harley 110th! It will be crazy in Milwaukee that Thursday-Sunday.
Quote from: 77ncaachamps on August 15, 2013, 12:42:12 AM
Lammers looks like a Cole Aldrich in the making.
He's going to have to bulk up for the bruising on the block, keep the energy and fitness up for going baseline to baseline, and develop more of a frontcourt gameas he will probably play tat at the next level.
I remember watching Joe Wolf in HS. Something like 6'10", 210. 2 years at NC and he was a beast.
Quote from: mu-rara on August 15, 2013, 10:43:56 AM
I remember watching Joe Wolf in HS. Something like 6'10", 210. 2 years at NC and he was a beast.
I hope you're not comparing Lammers to Joe Wolf.
Quote from: Red Stripe on August 15, 2013, 09:11:48 AM
Right during the Harley 110th! It will be crazy in Milwaukee that Thursday-Sunday.
How does he get a hotel room in town, I am sure they are all booked
Quote from: bilsu on August 15, 2013, 08:54:39 AM
In my opinion this would increase the chance of getting Stone. Stone is higher rated so he should not be afraid of MU signing another center. However, he would be crazy to go to MU, if he was the only big body on the team. To improve you need to pratice against other big people. Besides that how many minutes does a center realisically play in a game? I would say an average of 28 minutes a game for a starting center would be a lot, so there are plenty of minutes for two centers.
That makes sense. Still shows Stone is our #1 priority while not leaving MU totally "centerless" if we fail to sign him. Also if Stone goes 1 and done or 2 and done you have an upper classman to play the 5 (maturity is really important for post players) until you can replace him.
Quote from: BCHoopster on August 15, 2013, 11:06:13 AM
How does he get a hotel room in town, I am sure they are all booked
It's an official visit so he'll stay with the team
Where will his parents stay?
Quote from: swoopem on August 15, 2013, 11:11:28 AM
It's an official visit so he'll stay with the team
I guess at this point, they'll be lucky to find a room at the No-Tell Motel in Cudahy.
I love how we get all worried about stuff like this. I'm sure Buzz and Co. have it figured out. (I wouldn't doubt that MU has rooms set aside somewhere for all sorts of campus visitors.)
Quote from: bilsu on August 15, 2013, 08:54:39 AM
In my opinion this would increase the chance of getting Stone. Stone is higher rated so he should not be afraid of MU signing another center. However, he would be crazy to go to MU, if he was the only big body on the team. To improve you need to pratice against other big people. Besides that how many minutes does a center realisically play in a game? I would say an average of 28 minutes a game for a starting center would be a lot, so there are plenty of minutes for two centers.
Blammers. ("+1" is so cliche)
If you disagree, see the example of Chris Otule & Davante Gardner.
Quote from: MuMark on August 15, 2013, 11:26:40 AM
Where will his parents stay?
Spare bedrooms at cribs in my hood are goin' for $250+/night.
Quote from: Groin_pull on August 15, 2013, 11:01:58 AM
I hope you're not comparing Lammers to Joe Wolf.
Not at all. Only talking about capacity to fill out.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DceVS83AUOQ
Here's a highlight tape of his team when he was a sophomore created by one of his teammates.
Quote from: clieck on August 16, 2013, 04:41:12 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DceVS83AUOQ
Here's a highlight tape of his team when he was a sophomore. He broke his schools all-time career blocks record in one season. The kid was one of the most dominant players on the floor when he was 15 and he has only improved since. The ranking system of players in high school is flawed. If you don't go to a well known prep school you normally don't get much exposure (which is the case here). His basketball IQ, defensive game, and passing ability make him a top player in the nation in my opinion.
Welcome to the board! I hope your son enjoys MU on his visit!
Quote from: clieck on August 16, 2013, 04:41:12 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DceVS83AUOQ
Here's a highlight tape of his team when he was a sophomore. He broke his schools all-time career blocks record in one season. The kid was one of the most dominant players on the floor when he was 15 and he has only improved since. The ranking system of players in high school is flawed. If you don't go to a well known prep school you normally don't get much exposure (which is the case here). His basketball IQ, defensive game, and passing ability make him a top player in the nation in my opinion.
That teams pretty damn good for high schoolers. Although, I laugh everytime I see a mix tape of an all-white team with background music shouting the n-word every 5 seconds.
I agree the ranking system is flawed. Buzz must like this kid and he looks mobile and poised to me, and plays D.
In Buzz We Trust. So far we have a good class going on, lets finish it up with a center!
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on August 16, 2013, 04:59:35 PM
Welcome to the board! I hope your son enjoys MU on his visit!
I would bet that his son is Dylan, not Ben.
We need a big and Ben sounds like an athletic center who likes to be physical. 2 years and 20 pounds later and we have a big after Mckay
Quote from: raul on August 16, 2013, 09:58:31 PM
We need a big and Ben sounds like an athletic center who likes to be physical. 2 years and 20 pounds later and we have a big after Mckay
Two years from now we have Diamond Stone running the interior.
Quote from: BagpipingBoxer on August 16, 2013, 10:47:16 PM
Two years from now we have Diamond Stone running the interior.
So even if Buzz thinks Lammers can be a very good college center, he shouldn't sign him because Stone might come to Marquette? And because it's never a good idea to have more than one capable center on a college roster?
Quote from: MU82 on August 16, 2013, 10:57:25 PM
So even if Buzz thinks Lammers can be a very good college center, he shouldn't sign him because Stone might come to Marquette? And because it's never a good idea to have more than one capable center on a college roster?
Wow... you got all that from me saying that we'll have Stone? You're reading wayyy too much into things. All I was saying was that Lammers wouldn't start.
Quote from: BagpipingBoxer on August 16, 2013, 11:11:38 PM
Wow... you got all that from me saying that we'll have Stone? You're reading wayyy too much into things. All I was saying was that Lammers wouldn't start.
A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush
Quote from: BagpipingBoxer on August 16, 2013, 10:47:16 PM
Two years from now we have Diamond Stone running the interior.
I appreciate the optimism, but where is this coming from? Aside from conflicting "insider" reports, I haven't seen anything to suggest Stone is locked up for anyone.
Quote from: AWegrzyn17 on August 16, 2013, 11:28:02 PM
I appreciate the optimism, but where is this coming from? Aside from conflicting "insider" reports, I haven't seen anything to suggest Stone is locked up for anyone.
It's coming from about 4 and a half beers in an optimistic person's system.
Quote from: MU82 on August 16, 2013, 10:57:25 PM
So even if Buzz thinks Lammers can be a very good college center, he shouldn't sign him because Stone might come to Marquette? And because it's never a good idea to have more than one capable center on a college roster?
Right on, does anybody think that you need 2 centers at least, Stone even if he comes to MU will not play 40 minutes a game. I will give him 30 as a freshman, tops. MU will sign 2 bigs
this fall or spring, has anybody heard the word, competition!
Quote from: MUCrew on August 16, 2013, 11:18:49 PM
A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush
I never got the meaning of that saying.
Quote from: BagpipingBoxer on August 16, 2013, 11:41:47 PM
I never got the meaning of that saying.
Applied to big men, it would mean that having one solid player committed would be better than having two solid big men considering MU. Better to actually have something tangible than the mere possibility of something better.
Back in the day there used to be bushes, now there's a lot more goin' to hardwood flooring.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on August 17, 2013, 06:58:35 AM
Back in the day there used to be bushes, now there's a lot more goin' to hardwood flooring.
True. Hardwood is easier to keep clean and doesn't smell as bad. It does get very slippery when wet however.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on August 15, 2013, 11:58:53 AM
Spare bedrooms at cribs in my hood are goin' for $250+/night.
They can charge whatever they want, but they better get it up front. I wouldn't want to step in front of a big, bearded, ornery cuss dressed in leather and blue jeans on the way to his Harley.
Quote from: Terror Skink on August 15, 2013, 11:29:03 AM
I guess at this point, they'll be lucky to find a room at the No-Tell Motel in Cudahy.
I love how we get all worried about stuff like this. I'm sure Buzz and Co. have it figured out. (I wouldn't doubt that MU has rooms set aside somewhere for all sorts of campus visitors.)
I suspect Buzz knows every year that this is the time of year players are going to visit and that hotel rooms are reserved in January, if not sooner. Buzz not only is going make sure he has the best hotel, but he will know exactly which floor and rooms he wants. I also expect he knows which parents would think Harley Fest is cool and which would not. You bring in a recruit and parents that are intersted in Harley's for Harley Fest and if you are recruiting an recruit with Irish heritage you bring them in during Irish fest. I doubt that much of anything outside of weather is left to chance.
Big Ben Blammers looks like a solid get.
Sexy? No. But neither was the Big Sexy Ox.
Assuming status quo, McKay-STjr-Juan-Deonte-MHarris......there would not be a huge burden on this kid right away, particularly offensively. Big body, decent footwork, instincts, court sense.....nothing not to like. Would be a really nice addition to an already solid class.
I'd love to see him here. Tremendous upside based on the clips I saw. Footwork and mobility looked great, coaching can do the rest.
Quote from: tower912 on August 18, 2013, 04:06:31 PM
Assuming status quo, McKay-STjr-Juan-Deonte-MHarris......there would not be a huge burden on this kid right away, particularly offensively. Big body, decent footwork, instincts, court sense.....nothing not to like. Would be a really nice addition to an already solid class.
Juan is now a guard.
Juan is a switchable. Care to predict how many different positions he guards in the coming year? I will say all 5. I also predict he will play all 3 of the switchable wing positions on offense.
Quote from: tower912 on August 18, 2013, 06:22:20 PM
Juan is a switchable. Care to predict how many different positions he guards in the coming year? I will say all 5. I also predict he will play all 3 of the switchable wing positions on offense.
I predict three, you can leave out the 1 and the 5 (and most of the time the 4), at least by design. Everyone can get caught unintentionally in bad matchup due to switch offs, but Buzz won't start Juan out guarding the one or the five, and the practice of having Juan guard the four will be cut way back this coming year, if Buzz is to be believed,
bitch.*
*Sorry, just finished watching Breaking Bad.
Quote from: LittleMurs on August 18, 2013, 05:40:22 PM
Juan is now has always beena guard/wing.
Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on August 18, 2013, 05:46:12 PM
FIFY
Yet, last year he spent much of his time on defense covering the other team's 4.
Quote from: LittleMurs on August 18, 2013, 10:53:45 PM
Yet, last year he spent much of his time on defense covering the other team's 4.
Yes he did. Out of his natural position.
Quote from: LittleMurs on August 18, 2013, 10:48:20 PM
I predict three, you can leave out the 1 and the 5 (and most of the time the 4), at least by design. Everyone can get caught unintentionally in bad matchup due to switch offs, but Buzz won't start Juan out guarding the one or the five, and the practice of having Juan guard the four will be cut way back this coming year, if Buzz is to be believed, bitch.*
*Sorry, just finished watching Breaking Bad.
I can remember Butler coving the point guard, so I could see Juan getting that assignment. He has the length and energy to do it. Of course this would be an indication that Duane Wilson cannot guard the other team's point.
Quote from: bilsu on August 18, 2013, 11:11:46 AM
I suspect Buzz knows every year that this is the time of year players are going to visit and that hotel rooms are reserved in January, if not sooner. Buzz not only is going make sure he has the best hotel, but he will know exactly which floor and rooms he wants. I also expect he knows which parents would think Harley Fest is cool and which would not. You bring in a recruit and parents that are intersted in Harley's for Harley Fest and if you are recruiting an recruit with Irish heritage you bring them in during Irish fest. I doubt that much of anything outside of weather is left to chance.
Is that what we did for Jameel McKay?
Quote from: bilsu on August 19, 2013, 08:38:14 AM
I can remember Butler coving the point guard, so I could see Juan getting that assignment. He has the length and energy to do it. Of course this would be an indication that Duane Wilson cannot guard the other team's point.
Butler became one of those very rare guys who can guard little (Tu Holloway), medium (Brooks) or big (Lebron) guys who attack the basket. Loooong way to go before Juan gets there, but he does have some of Jimmy's physical attributes.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on August 19, 2013, 09:02:03 AM
Butler became one of those very rare guys who can guard little (Tu Holloway), medium (Brooks) or big (Lebron) guys who attack the basket. Loooong way to go before Juan gets there, but he does have some of Jimmy's physical attributes.
I was thinking if he did, it would be against point guards bigger than Duane Wilson not a smaller quick point guard.
ESPN's Dave Telep did an article on late-rising guys that are looking to crack the top 100. Here's what he wrote about Lammers:
"As a high schooler, Philip Jurick was a late top 100 player, and Lammers is cut from the same cloth without the off-the-court baggage. Smart kid, legit size and could be a multiyear starter for teams that prefer to go big."
Recent comparisons I've heard include Raef LaFrentz and Jeff Withey. Lammers visits Marquette this weekend. Really hoping Buzz can wrap him up fast and prevent any need for other visits. This kid could well be the McGary, Embiid, or Turner that doesn't get away.
Quote from: brewcity77 on August 28, 2013, 01:45:23 PM
ESPN's Dave Telep did an article on late-rising guys that are looking to crack the top 100. Here's what he wrote about Lammers:
"As a high schooler, Philip Jurick was a late top 100 player, and Lammers is cut from the same cloth without the off-the-court baggage. Smart kid, legit size and could be a multiyear starter for teams that prefer to go big."
Recent comparisons I've heard include Raef LaFrentz and Jeff Withey. Lammers visits Marquette this weekend. Really hoping Buzz can wrap him up fast and prevent any need for other visits. This kid could well be the McGary, Embiid, or Turner that doesn't get away.
I wouldn't go THAT high, they're all 5*, but he's exactly what I want - a late rising big. I'd say more overlooked like Gardner (not in terms of style of play).
Quote from: brewcity77 on August 28, 2013, 01:45:23 PM
ESPN's Dave Telep did an article on late-rising guys that are looking to crack the top 100. Here's what he wrote about Lammers:
"As a high schooler, Philip Jurick was a late top 100 player, and Lammers is cut from the same cloth without the off-the-court baggage. Smart kid, legit size and could be a multiyear starter for teams that prefer to go big."
Recent comparisons I've heard include Raef LaFrentz and Jeff Withey. Lammers visits Marquette this weekend. Really hoping Buzz can wrap him up fast and prevent any need for other visits. This kid could well be the McGary, Embiid, or Turner that doesn't get away.
I think Lammers will continue to progress and his stock will rise quite a bit, but those other 3 seem to be more freak athletes who finally start to figure out how to play basketball as opposed to what Lammers seems to be in that he is a big boy who has some skills that are now being noticed. I highly doubt Lammers will come in and dominate as a freshman to the point where it's a serious possibility that he could leave after 1 year as a lottery pick like those guys seem to be/are. Lammers seems more like he will start as a role player and turn into a really strong contributor as he progresses through 4 years of college. I would put money on him not being a 5* 1 and done type player. Just different player than those 3.
Quote from: Jajuannaman on August 28, 2013, 02:16:27 PM
I wouldn't go THAT high, they're all 5*, but he's exactly what I want - a late rising big. I'd say more overlooked like Gardner (not in terms of style of play).
Honest question. Why not? McGary was outside the top-100 when Buzz got in on him. Embiid was just getting noticed but was still outside the top-50. Turner was a virtual unknown as recently as March of this year.
One thing Buzz has done as well as anyone in the country in the past 3-4 years is identify superstar big men before they blew up nationally. In one case (Gardner) the guy never blew up at the AAU level and Buzz landed him. In the other 3 cases, they because household names before Buzz could land them. So why couldn't Lammers be the next one? Miami and Missouri both sniffing around as well as other high majors. This kid has gone from 2 star to 4 star status in a few months. Is it really unthinkable that now that Lammers is getting some attention he couldn't be a top-50 or even top-25 guy when the final rankings come out as scouts compare him to a pair of Kansas guys that are now cutting NBA paychecks?
Quote from: brewcity77 on August 28, 2013, 02:25:47 PM
Honest question. Why not? McGary was outside the top-100 when Buzz got in on him. Embiid was just getting noticed but was still outside the top-50. Turner was a virtual unknown as recently as March of this year.
One thing Buzz has done as well as anyone in the country in the past 3-4 years is identify superstar big men before they blew up nationally. In one case (Gardner) the guy never blew up at the AAU level and Buzz landed him. In the other 3 cases, they because household names before Buzz could land them. So why couldn't Lammers be the next one? Miami and Missouri both sniffing around as well as other high majors. This kid has gone from 2 star to 4 star status in a few months. Is it really unthinkable that now that Lammers is getting some attention he couldn't be a top-50 or even top-25 guy when the final rankings come out as scouts compare him to a pair of Kansas guys that are now cutting NBA paychecks?
Because those guys were considered 5* before their senior year and Lammers is not at 4* status yet. I said nothing about his actual college/pro potential, I'm merely saying that his situation is potentially more like Gardner's (overlooked all the way through to day 1 on campus) than the other 3 you mentioned (from virtually nothing to 5* before their senior year with offers from blue bloods hangin' out the anus complete with 1 & done hype).
I want Lammers on the squad and am not questioning Buzz' ability to spot under the radar talent.
I'm a fan of Blammers!
Quote from: Jajuannaman on August 28, 2013, 02:40:20 PM
Because those guys were considered 5* before their senior year and Lammers is not at 4* status yet. I said nothing about his actual college/pro potential, I'm merely saying that his situation is potentially more like Gardner's (overlooked all the way through to day 1 on campus) than the other 3 you mentioned (from virtually nothing to 5* before their senior year with offers from blue bloods hangin' out the anus complete with 1 & done hype).
I want Lammers on the squad and am not questioning Buzz' ability to spot under the radar talent.
Embiid was a three star going into his senior season. He didn't blow up until mid-winter. Blammers is a four star entering his senior season.
I don't think he's the next Embiid, but I do think he could be a great contributor early. If only because we will be very shallow at the five next season.
I agree with you that Lammers would be a great fit and I hope we get him.
He is not a 4 star now however in any ranking that I have seen.
ps. Is it to much to ask that we spell the names correctly of kids who are about to visit?
Quote from: MuMark on August 28, 2013, 04:06:12 PM
I agree with you that Lammers would be a great fit and I hope we get him.
He is not a 4 star now however in any ranking that I have seen.
ps. Is it to much to ask that we spell the names correctly of kids who are about to visit?
Blammers is his nickname
Quote from: MuMark on August 28, 2013, 04:06:12 PM
ps. Is it to much to ask that we spell the names correctly of kids who are about to visit?
He goes by the nickname "Blammers" b/c of his thunderous dunks.
Quote from: We R Final Four on August 28, 2013, 06:22:37 PM
He goes by the nickname "Blammers" b/c of his thunderous dunks.
BA-BA-BA-BLAMMERS!
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Quote from: Jajuannaman on August 28, 2013, 02:40:20 PM
Because those guys were considered 5* before their senior year and Lammers is not at 4* status yet. I said nothing about his actual college/pro potential, I'm merely saying that his situation is potentially more like Gardner's (overlooked all the way through to day 1 on campus) than the other 3 you mentioned (from virtually nothing to 5* before their senior year with offers from blue bloods hangin' out the anus complete with 1 & done hype).
I want Lammers on the squad and am not questioning Buzz' ability to spot under the radar talent.
My main point is that Buzz has done a good job mining talent and that he finds guys before they peak. I imagine if they went back 4 years and rated Gardner's class on college/pro productivity, he'd be top-50 at worst. I'm not saying Lammers will ever match the recruiting ranking, just that I like Buzz's odds of uncovering a big that might be far better regarded in a year than he is now.
As far as college productivity, Gardner is a top 5 center from his class.
Here are my 3 rules in discussing MU recruits:
1. I don't know how to evaluate the potential of HS talent translating to D-1
2. Buzz does
3. Players improve in the MU program
Here are my 3 rules in discussing any HS recruit:
1. They are kids
2. I don't know them nor their families
3. I respect #s 1 and 2 before ever commenting.
Here are my 3 rules regarding scotch:
1. Single malt
2. No ice
3. Buy it from a HS kid who is serving it at your country club and has no idea that the full glass they just poured is worth 10 times the $8.00 they charged you.
Quote from: murobrob on August 28, 2013, 09:50:41 PM
Here are my 3 rules in discussing MU recruits:
1. I don't know how to evaluate the potential of HS talent translating to D-1
2. Buzz does
3. Players improve in the MU program
Here are my 3 rules in discussing any HS recruit:
1. They are kids
2. I don't know them nor their families
3. I respect #s 1 and 2 before ever commenting.
Here are my 3 rules regarding scotch:
1. Single malt
2. No ice
3. Buy it from a HS kid who is serving it at your country club and has no idea that the full glass they just poured is worth 10 times the $8.00 they charged you.
What about a splash of water?
Quote from: forgetful on August 28, 2013, 10:15:15 PM
What about a splash of water?
People have been banned for saying less.
If you go no ice and a splash of water in a single malt you should be put against the wall and shot.
Quote from: brewcity77 on August 28, 2013, 07:59:54 PM
My main point is that Buzz has done a good job mining talent and that he finds guys before they peak. I imagine if they went back 4 years and rated Gardner's class on college/pro productivity, he'd be top-50 at worst. I'm not saying Lammers will ever match the recruiting ranking, just that I like Buzz's odds of uncovering a big that might be far better regarded in a year than he is now.
We are in complete agreement there.
Quote from: murobrob on August 28, 2013, 09:50:41 PM
Here are my 3 rules in discussing MU recruits:
1. I don't know how to evaluate the potential of HS talent translating to D-1
2. Buzz does
3. Players improve in the MU program
Here are my 3 rules in discussing any HS recruit:
1. They are kids
2. I don't know them nor their families
3. I respect #s 1 and 2 before ever commenting.
Here are my 3 rules regarding scotch:
1. Single malt
2. No ice
3. Buy it from a HS kid who is serving it at your country club and has no idea that the full glass they just poured is worth 10 times the $8.00 they charged you.
See, now this I like.
Just a friendly reminder that his official visit is today and tomorrow.
I hope they take him to Real Chili.
To young. Stomach can't handle it til 20.
Quote from: Terror Skink on August 29, 2013, 12:29:00 PM
Just a friendly reminder that his official visit is today and tomorrow.
I'll get the sleuths and kegs ready.
I hope Big Ben doesn't mind big bikes. ;)
Need to meet pilarz's and Larry's traditionals quota.
Not a big fan of bashing a recruit who could turn out to be really good.
6'10 can become 7'0 really quick
I want Blammers. BLAMMERS!!!!
Any confirmation that he is on campus? It seems that so many visits get delayed or moved or whatever.
If he is on campus, here is hoping to some good news this weekend. It sure would be nice if he commits, especially since he is supposed to visit Miami in two weeks.
Quote from: KenoshaWarrior on August 30, 2013, 08:32:17 AM
Not a big fan of bashing a recruit who could turn out to be really good.
6'10 can become 7'0 really quick
Who bashed him?
Quote from: GOO on August 30, 2013, 09:04:42 AM
If he is on campus, here is hoping to some good news this weekend. It sure would be nice if he commits, especially since he is supposed to visit Miami in two weeks.
I have hard time seeing him go to Miami. They are in the lead for Quandri Moore, a top 100 center in Blammers class. As a center, I wouldn't commit if there was going to be another center in my class. You can have multiple SGs, SFs, and PFs on the floor, but only one center. But he might like the challenge of outplaying another center for playing time, so who knows?
If instant playing time is a high priority for him, Marquette is an easy choice.
Quote from: GOO on August 30, 2013, 09:04:42 AM
Any confirmation that he is on campus? It seems that so many visits get delayed or moved or whatever.
If he is on campus, here is hoping to some good news this weekend. It sure would be nice if he commits, especially since he is supposed to visit Miami in two weeks.
He is on campus.
Quote from: mu-rara on August 29, 2013, 12:39:41 PM
To young. Stomach can't handle it til 20.
21. In my opinion Real Chili is best enjoyed around 2am ;D
Quote from: Terror Skink on August 30, 2013, 10:00:47 AM
He is on campus.
Sure would love to hear some good news before the weekend.
Quote from: striker14 on August 30, 2013, 11:05:17 AM
21. In my opinion Real Chili is best enjoyed around 2am ;D
True. What time bars close in Milwaukee these days?
Quote from: We R Final Four on August 30, 2013, 12:28:03 PM
Sure would love to hear some good news before the weekend.
What, Real Chili at 2 am is not good news?
Hey Big Ben, You will be an instant hit here in MU country. You cant go wrong here. Then when you are a pro please come back on Harleys next anniversary celebration on your custom bike.
Quote from: newsdrms on August 30, 2013, 03:17:42 PM
True. What time bars close in Milwaukee these days?
2am weeknights, 2:30 weekends (unless you know the bartender 8-))
I'm not on twitter--anyone following Blammers have any info on his visit?
Quote from: We R Final Four on August 31, 2013, 01:05:22 PM
I'm not on twitter--anyone following Blammers have any info on his visit?
Neither is Lammers as far as I can tell.
Quote from: striker14 on August 31, 2013, 12:46:17 PM
2am weeknights, 2:30 weekends (unless you know the bartender 8-))
Only half hour difference! That's no good.
Looks like he has a visit in Miami on the 14th. Let's hope is time at MU was great. Definitely good weather and activity in the city this weekend.
If he likes people who are excited about their city, this was a great weekend for him to be in MKE, even if its not really mubb type of people. Best now before the city slips into winter and downtown dies.
Anyone heard anything about how the visit went?
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on September 03, 2013, 02:02:56 PM
Anyone heard anything about how the visit went?
the local news interveiwed several Harley guests that said they had a great time visiting Milwaukee ;D