Barnes on the hot seat, it appears:
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1647376-how-close-is-the-end-of-the-rick-barnes-era-at-texas?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=college-basketball
Key excerpts: "Since the Longhorns finished their 16-18 season, they have had three players transfer and another, Myck Kabongo, declare for the NBA draft. That's the program's three leading scorers and a rotation big man. Gone. . . . .
"Barnes had a laundry list of excuses he could give for only the second losing season in his career. Everyone should get a mulligan.
But next season will count, and it's not looking promising."
What he needs is to have a big recruiting season this year, but that is very hard to do when the recruits do not know if you are going to be still there.
It is only a matter of time until Barnes is gone. I have seen other articles implying that Barnes has gotten lazy on the recruiting trail. If Buzz is offered the position it will be interesting.
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Quote from: MU Fan in Connecticut on May 22, 2013, 12:22:03 PM
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Beat me to it.
Quote from: bilsu on May 22, 2013, 11:16:56 AM
What he needs is to have a big recruiting season this year, but that is very hard to do when the recruits do not know if you are going to be still there.
Aaron Durley to Texas?
Hope they like Shaka Smart.
I haven't been this nervous since I was convinced KO would leave for Arizona except when I thought TC would leave for MSU and that time I thought Deane-o would leave for Potsdam State.
I am fairly new so I'd like to know why so many cares about what goes on at Texas? What is the MU-Texas connection?
Quote from: Sunbelt15 on May 22, 2013, 01:39:36 PM
I am fairly new so I'd like to know why so many cares about what goes on at Texas? What is the MU-Texas connection?
The MUSCOOP thought process is this.
1.Buzz would only leave for an elite program.
a. Marquette is not elite.
b. Texas is elite.
2. Buzz is from Texas, and normally people from Texas love Texas.
3. It would take a pile of money to land Buzz.
a. Texas has a big pile of money.
4. Buzz is a hot name in coaching.
a. Texas will want a hot name, and not some retread.
5. If RIck Barnes is out, Buzz would obviously would run all the way to Austin to take his place.
You forgot the teal, Sunbelt.
That's how we do things around here.
Larry Williams is clearly behind Barnes future removal.
Quote from: The Lens on May 22, 2013, 01:00:28 PM
I haven't been this nervous since I was convinced KO would leave for Arizona except when I thought TC would leave for MSU and that time I thought Deane-o would leave for Potsdam State.
In Deane-o's defense, when Potsdam State knocks at your door, you listen.
Quote from: Sunbelt15 on May 22, 2013, 01:39:36 PM
I am fairly new so I'd like to know why so many cares about what goes on at Texas? What is the MU-Texas connection?
Some people assume that Buzz would jump to Texas simply because he's from that state.
I happen to believe that he doesn't just want to be the guy who keeps people busy between football and spring football.
Quote from: Bocephys on May 22, 2013, 01:47:11 PM
In Deane-o's defense, when Potsdam State knocks at your door, you listen.
It's Potsdam, it's Potsdam!
This is one of the reasons why I think the 2014 recruiting class is so important. I think the better the class Buzz brings in the more likely he stays. The harder he finds it to recruit for the new conference the more likely he is to leave.
Quote from: MU B2002 on May 22, 2013, 01:43:58 PM
The MUSCOOP thought process is this.
1.Buzz would only leave for an elite program.
a. Marquette is not elite.
b. Texas is elite.
2. Buzz is from Texas, and normally people from Texas love Texas.
3. It would take a pile of money to land Buzz.
a. Texas has a big pile of money.
4. Buzz is a hot name in coaching.
a. Texas will want a hot name, and not some retread.
5. If RIck Barnes is out, Buzz would obviously would run all the way to Austin to take his place.
Perfectly stated, and honestly, pretty rational.
The weird/irrational stuff comes when you get down into the details of "elite", or being the biggest program on campus, etc. etc.
So, is Buzz happy? How has he bonded with his team? What promises has he made to his recruits about his long-term presence? To Buzz, how much $ is enough? Does he really miss Texas? IMO, Texas is the big enchilada. If he turns down the horns, then he may be a lifer at MU, unless IU decides it needs to trade up. ;D Because there aren't that many elite jobs and many of those replacement coaches are going to come from some sort of 'family'. (UNC, Duke, etc)
Quote from: tower912 on May 22, 2013, 03:59:18 PM
So, is Buzz happy? How has he bonded with his team? What promises has he made to his recruits about his long-term presence? To Buzz, how much $ is enough? Does he really miss Texas? IMO, Texas is the big enchilada. If he turns down the horns, then he may be a lifer at MU, unless IU decides it needs to trade up. ;D Because there aren't that many elite jobs and many of those replacement coaches are going to come from some sort of 'family'. (UNC, Duke, etc)
IU would want someone that has proven to go to the Final Four. ;)
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on May 22, 2013, 04:41:09 PM
IU would want someone that has proven to go to the Final Four. ;)
Weird, since they went after Tony Bennett and Sean Miller before settling for you-know-who.
Quote from: bilsu on May 22, 2013, 03:29:10 PM
This is one of the reasons why I think the 2014 recruiting class is so important. I think the better the class Buzz brings in the more likely he stays. The harder he finds it to recruit for the new conference the more likely he is to leave.
Yep, I agree. If Buzz feels he can get it done here he'll stay. If not, he may look for greener pastures.
Quote from: Pakuni on May 22, 2013, 04:52:59 PM
Weird, since they went after Tony Bennett and Sean Miller before settling for you-know-who.
Yeah, well, so did we.
After Buzz takes us to the Final Four, then II,II comes calling?
Quote from: Guns n Ammo on May 22, 2013, 03:55:13 PM
Perfectly stated, and honestly, pretty rational.
The weird/irrational stuff comes when you get down into the details of "elite", or being the biggest program on campus, etc. etc.
My thoughts too.
Hope they're happy in Bloomington with last season's preseason #1 team and the consensus choice to win the National Championship. Guess two potential lottery picks isn't enough when you have a used car salesman coachin' against a zone defense. Lots of sizzle bein' sold in Indiana. Hope they're happy with their choice, I know I am.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on May 22, 2013, 05:21:13 PM
Hope they're happy in Bloomington with last season's preseason #1 team and the consensus choice to win the National Championship. Guess two potential lottery picks isn't enough when you have a used car salesman coachin' against a zone defense. Lots of sizzle bein' sold in Indiana. Hope they're happy with their choice, I know I am.
Eh ... Marquette didn't exactly do a fantastic job solving the Syracuse zone in the tournament either, as I recall.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on May 22, 2013, 04:41:09 PM
IU would want someone that has proven to go to the Final Four. ;)
The first hire in their storied history to have a final four on his résumé was Kelvin Sampson. Worked out so well they doubled down on Crean :)
Had to go check in with the 'unwashed' over on Shaggybevo.com - I always feel kind of itchy after going there - they aren't talking much about Barnes leaving at least not in recent days. A while back they were frothing about getting him out of town....
Quote from: Pakuni on May 22, 2013, 04:52:59 PM
Weird, since they went after Tony Bennett and Sean Miller before settling for you-know-who.
I was hoping the wink gave it away. Let's throw in higher graduation rates while we are at it, with a double wink. ;) ;)
Quote from: 4everwarriors on May 22, 2013, 05:21:13 PM
Hope they're happy in Bloomington with last season's preseason #1 team and the consensus choice to win the National Championship. Guess two potential lottery picks isn't enough when you have a used car salesman coachin' against a zone defense. Lots of sizzle bein' sold in Indiana. Hope they're happy with their choice, I know I am.
They're happy, but that can change pretty quickly. Another great recruiting class coming in. They also weren't the consensus pick to win the championship (Louisville was at 9-2) ....I hear they did get to 40 points against Syracuse, however. ;)
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on May 22, 2013, 06:44:57 PM
They're happy, but that can change pretty quickly. Another great recruiting class coming in. They also weren't the consensus pick to win the championship (Louisville was at 9-2) ....I hear they did get to 40 points against Syracuse, however. ;)
Yeah, if we're going by the first time each team played Syracuse this year, Marquette had no problem getting to 40 points against them either. Or 50. Or 60. Or 70. In fact, they scored 24 points more than Indiana did and won the game compared to Indiana's 11 point loss. That's OK though. It also seems to me as though Marquette made it further than Indiana in this year's tournament (as has been the case each of the last 5 years...weird, especially considering Crean made a Final Four at Marquette yet thought he'd leave for Indiana because he thought he'd get there regularly at Indiana, while he knew he couldn't recruit well enough at Marquette...yet he has 0 Final Fours - or Elite Eights - at IIII. Thank God for those thoughts...Buzz infinitely >>>>>>> Crean).
For someone who claims to cheer for Marquette first and then Indiana and Kansas, that's kind of a weird comment.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on May 22, 2013, 06:44:57 PM
They're happy, but that can change pretty quickly. Another great recruiting class coming in. They also weren't the consensus pick to win the championship (Louisville was at 9-2) ....I hear they did get to 40 points against Syracuse, however. ;)
Wow. Even with the wink, loyalties shining through. Disappointing.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on May 22, 2013, 06:44:57 PM
They're happy, but that can change pretty quickly. Another great recruiting class coming in. They also weren't the consensus pick to win the championship (Louisville was at 9-2) ....I hear they did get to 40 points against Syracuse, however. ;)
The only people between Bloomington and Lexington that are happy are nearly equidistant from both.
When was the last time a university had a top 10 ranked FB and BKB team?
Florida I believe won titles in both the same year.
nevermind
Quote from: LloydMooresLegs on May 22, 2013, 07:29:12 PM
Wow. Even with the wink, loyalties shining through. Disappointing.
Loyalties are clear Lloyd and it's not even close. MU #1 and IU a distant distant distant 2nd...not even close.
Quote from: wadesworld on May 22, 2013, 07:12:21 PM
Yeah, if we're going by the first time each team played Syracuse this year, Marquette had no problem getting to 40 points against them either. Or 50. Or 60. Or 70. In fact, they scored 24 points more than Indiana did and won the game compared to Indiana's 11 point loss. That's OK though. It also seems to me as though Marquette made it further than Indiana in this year's tournament (as has been the case each of the last 5 years...weird, especially considering Crean made a Final Four at Marquette yet thought he'd leave for Indiana because he thought he'd get there regularly at Indiana, while he knew he couldn't recruit well enough at Marquette...yet he has 0 Final Fours - or Elite Eights - at IIII. Thank God for those thoughts...Buzz infinitely >>>>>>> Crean).
For someone who claims to cheer for Marquette first and then Indiana and Kansas, that's kind of a weird comment.
Wade wade wade....you do make me laugh. It was a wink....got you spun up and a few others, not surprising. ;) You should change your username, he wouldn't have gone to MU if it weren't for the <<<<<<< Buzz coach. ;)
Quote from: Benny B on May 22, 2013, 08:23:42 PM
The only people between Bloomington and Lexington that are happy are nearly equidistant from both.
Benny, you have been so horrifically wrong on IU the last few years I'll give you a pass on this one, but the track record from you on them has been really bad.....predictions and all.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on May 22, 2013, 06:44:57 PM
They're happy, but that can change pretty quickly. Another great recruiting class coming in. They also weren't the consensus pick to win the championship (Louisville was at 9-2) ....I hear they did get to 40 points against Syracuse, however. ;)
They won't continue to be happy underachieving in the tournament for long.
Quote from: 77ncaachamps on May 22, 2013, 08:30:10 PM
When was the last time a university had a top 10 ranked FB and BKB team?
OhHowIhateOhioState did recently. Unfortunately.
Quote from: keefe on May 23, 2013, 12:11:53 AM
OhHowIhateOhioState did recently. Unfortunately.
Is it once a decade? Twice? Always state schools?
I know Texas BKB will be back but FB will always be king in Tejas.
Quote from: Pakuni on May 22, 2013, 05:39:48 PM
Eh ... Marquette didn't exactly do a fantastic job solving the Syracuse zone in the tournament either, as I recall.
Only good shooters can kill great zones. I hope we have them now.....?
Quote from: 77ncaachamps on May 23, 2013, 12:31:33 AM
Is it once a decade? Twice? Always state schools?
I know Texas BKB will be back but FB will always be king in Tejas.
It would almost HAVE to be state schools, as only a few private schools have BCS level football.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on May 22, 2013, 10:11:40 PM
Benny, you have been so horrifically wrong on IU the last few years I'll give you a pass on this one, but the track record from you on them has been really bad.....predictions and all.
I'll concede that I was wrong about them dropping out of the Top 25 in February, but that's hardly a "track record." Though, I'm not talking about the team here, I'm talking about the fans.
Quote from: Pakuni on May 22, 2013, 05:39:48 PM
Eh ... Marquette didn't exactly do a fantastic job solving the Syracuse zone in the tournament either, as I recall.
There were a few examples of MU not doing a fantastic job against a zone last season.
Tough to beat a zone without shooters. For the most part during the regular season, MU attacked the zone as well as could be expected considering the lack of elite shooters. Buzz was able to fool Boeheim once in Milwaukee with the twin towers, but there was no way JB was going to get caught by that a second time, particularly in an E8 game. That's not as bad as losing with elite shooters simply because you have no idea how to attack the zone. ;) (there, I winked so it doesn't count)
Quote from: Golden Avalanche on May 23, 2013, 10:29:40 AM
There were a few examples of MU not doing a fantastic job against a zone last season.
Does that imply there was one example of a fantastic job against a zone last season?
Quote from: Benny B on May 23, 2013, 03:17:59 PM
Does that imply there was one example of a fantastic job against a zone last season?
Feb 25 v. Syracuse.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on May 22, 2013, 11:01:00 PM
They won't continue to be happy underachieving in the tournament for long.
They overachieved last year, underachieved this year. We'll see how things go in the future. Some very good players coming in the next few years, grad rates very solid, program cleaned up...many fans care about that stuff.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on May 24, 2013, 03:52:36 PM
They overachieved last year, underachieved this year. We'll see how things go in the future. Some very good players coming in the next few years, grad rates very solid, program cleaned up...many fans care about that stuff.
Losing in the round of 16 as a #4seed is not overachieving, it's playing to your seed. In TC's career, he's made the tourney 7 times in 14 seasons. He's overachieved once (03), underachieved 4 times and played to his seed twice. 1-4-2 qualifies as less than stellar. Buzz, OTOH, is 3-1-1.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on May 24, 2013, 04:11:27 PM
Losing in the round of 16 as a #4seed is not overachieving, it's playing to your seed. In TC's career, he's made the tourney 7 times in 14 seasons. He's overachieved once (03), underachieved 4 times and played to his seed twice. 1-4-2 qualifies as less than stellar. Buzz, OTOH, is 3-1-1.
Even more important is that Buzz is a nicer human being. But I agree we are better off with him than that other gent.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on May 24, 2013, 04:11:27 PM
Losing in the round of 16 as a #4seed is not overachieving, it's playing to your seed. In TC's career, he's made the tourney 7 times in 14 seasons. He's overachieved once (03), underachieved 4 times and played to his seed twice. 1-4-2 qualifies as less than stellar. Buzz, OTOH, is 3-1-1.
They were going up against Kentucky two years ago, the overall #1 seed and a team that won the national title. We all know there are #1 seeds like Kentucky and there are joke #1 seeds like Gonzaga. It matters.
Just as we know there are #14 seeds that shouldn't be 14 seeds (like Davidson) or 12 seeds like Tulsa. But if you wish to play that game, that's fine....of course you probably should include things like McNeal's injury in one of those games. I also don't agree with you on the 8 vs 9 seed...it's a neutral seed where the only difference is one wears a lighter color uniform, but the winner plays the 1 seed regardless. Or as Doug Elgin once told me (he was the chair of the Selection committee) there is basically zero difference between and 8 and a 9. They are considered the same. To each their own.
I'm glad TC hired Buzz. I'm glad TC got us to the Final Four. I hope Buzz can do it, too.
And...another thread devolves into a Crean vs. Buzz pissing contest.
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Quote from: Sunbelt15 on May 22, 2013, 01:39:36 PM
I am fairly new so I'd like to know why so many cares about what goes on at Texas? What is the MU-Texas connection?
Know who else doesn't care about Texas basketball? Texans.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on May 24, 2013, 04:38:24 PM
They were going up against Kentucky two years ago, the overall #1 seed and a team that won the national title. We all know there are #1 seeds like Kentucky and there are joke #1 seeds like Gonzaga. It matters.
Just as we know there are #14 seeds that shouldn't be 14 seeds (like Davidson) or 12 seeds like Tulsa. But if you wish to play that game, that's fine....of course you probably should include things like McNeal's injury in one of those games. I also don't agree with you on the 8 vs 9 seed...it's a neutral seed where the only difference is one wears a lighter color uniform, but the winner plays the 1 seed regardless. Or as Doug Elgin once told me (he was the chair of the Selection committee) there is basically zero difference between and 8 and a 9. They are considered the same. To each their own.
I'm glad TC hired Buzz. I'm glad TC got us to the Final Four. I hope Buzz can do it, too.
Wade got Marquette to the Final 4, not Crean.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on May 22, 2013, 05:21:13 PM
Hope they're happy in Bloomington with last season's preseason #1 team and the consensus choice to win the National Championship. Guess two potential lottery picks isn't enough when you have a used car salesman coachin' against a zone defense. Lots of sizzle bein' sold in Indiana. Hope they're happy with their choice, I know I am.
I keep hearing this is the worst draft in the history of mankind so I'm not sure having two lottery picks in the worst draft ever is anything to get too excited about. Like being the cleanest urinal at the stadium.
Quote from: dbwarriors on May 24, 2013, 05:06:23 PM
Wade got Marquette to the Final 4, not Crean.
+ Infinity
Quote from: dbwarriors on May 24, 2013, 05:06:23 PM
Wade got Marquette to the Final 4, not Crean.
Yes, but if not for Travis, they don't overcome TC's piss-poor coaching job and lose to Holy Cross.
Quote from: dbwarriors on May 24, 2013, 05:06:23 PM
Wade got Marquette to the Final 4, not Crean.
Crean got Wade to Marquette....Smith got Jordan to UNC....Wooden got Kareem to UCLA....
Quote from: barfolomew on May 24, 2013, 09:21:29 PM
Yes, but if not for Travis, they don't overcome TC's piss-poor coaching job and lose to Holy Cross.
LOL....good thing Davidson pissed themselves you might have had to say the same thing this year.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on May 24, 2013, 09:38:11 PM
LOL....good thing Davidson pissed themselves you might have had to say the same thing this year.
Very true... is it wrong to STILL feel bad for them?
I'm going to go look for an article somewhere about top 10 tournament collapses and see who would beat out those poor bastards.
So wait, Texas wants to be more like SLU?
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on May 24, 2013, 09:36:48 PM
Crean got Wade to Marquette....Smith got Jordan to UNC....Wooden got Kareem to UCLA....
SMH... comparing Crean with Dean Smith and John Wooden? Seriously?
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on May 24, 2013, 09:36:48 PM
Crean got Wade to Marquette....Smith got Jordan to UNC....Wooden got Kareem to UCLA....
Awful comparisons just awful. I think you were going for caliber of player comparisons but you come off as trying to say Crean is on the level of Smith and Wooden.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on May 24, 2013, 09:36:48 PM
Crean got Wade to Marquette....Smith got Jordan to UNC....Wooden got Kareem to UCLA....
You're kidding, right? Tommy Crean couldn't sniff either man's sweaty jock strap.
Quote from: keefe on May 25, 2013, 10:52:06 AM
You're kidding, right? Tommy Crean couldn't sniff either man's sweaty jock strap.
Oh he definititely COULD do that, and most certainly WOULD given the opportunity. Then he'd exaggerate said taint sweat encounter with his nasal passages and name drop both of them as often as possible as if they were best friends. Crean is a supreme starf*cker.
Quote from: Jajuannaman on May 25, 2013, 11:00:04 AM
Oh he definititely COULD do that, and most certainly WOULD given the opportunity. Then he'd exaggerate said taint sweat encounter with his nasal passages and name drop both of them as often as possible as if they were best friends. Crean is a supreme starf*cker.
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Power Forward Donovan Kirk is transferring out of DePaul to ?????
Will be a senior. 6-8 225
you want to cut Thomas again??
Quote from: Earl Tatum on May 25, 2013, 11:22:00 AM
Power Forward Donovan Kirk is transferring out of DePaul to ?????
Will be a senior. 6-8 225
Well playing at DePaul he's of course upset that the new conference is a down grade from the previous.
Quote from: BagpipingBoxer on May 25, 2013, 01:02:20 PM
Well playing at DePaul he's of course upset that the new conference is a down grade from the previous.
Exactly, it was embarrassing enough losing constantly in the old Big East.