BREAKING NEWS: Seven non-FBS football playing members of the Big East will break away from the conference, Gary Parrish reports.
Just waiting for the story now.
This is actually kind of exciting if you ask me. Not sure why
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Quote from: chapman on December 13, 2012, 10:36:14 AM
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Thanks, this made my day.
I so thoroughly love this news. Finally, the ball is in our court.
Like when Bruce Willis was dead at the end of Sixth Sense...
I have a feeling that Justin Timberlake and his mop will be needed quite a bit today...!
Quote from: CaptainAwesome on December 13, 2012, 10:37:49 AM
Like when Bruce Willis was dead at the end of Sixth Sense...
Spoiler Alert.
I agree, this is exciting and awesome. Two weeks ago this would have annoyed me, but I was wrong. The writing has been on the wall for a long time - it's time to dictate our future.
Somewhere, Dave Gavitt is smiling.
Quote from: TJ on December 13, 2012, 10:39:45 AM
The writing has been on the wall for a long time - it's time to dictate our future.
Agreed. Get in front of this and create the best possible situation we can instead of hoping to land somewhere acceptable in the future.
I hope we can retain the BE name.
Quote from: lawwarrior12 on December 13, 2012, 10:40:45 AM
Agreed. Get in front of this and create the best possible situation we can instead of hoping to land somewhere acceptable in the future.
Like I said - two weeks ago I would have disagreed with this, but I have been convinced this week that this is the best course of action.
Makes sense why Larry was all of the sudden so vocal this week. He was chosen to be the voice (and good for him and for us to get that kind of position) and they wanted that voice heard before they made it official.
Get the popcorn ready and I hope everybody is lawyered up.
UConn, Cincy, USF gonna be pissed
Schools that paid exit fees aren't going to be happy either
Who keeps what assets
Story up: http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/blog/eye-on-college-basketball/21389753/sources-big-east-expected-to-split
Don't know about name, not much in the way of new news, expect X, Creighton, Butler, SLU, Dayton to be likely invitees.
Best to file first. Hopefully in a Providence court ;)
Quote from: KenoshaWarrior on December 13, 2012, 10:35:26 AM
This is actually kind of exciting if you ask me. Not sure why
Similar to outdoor sex, if you ax me.
unnatural carnal knowledge YEAH
Quote from: 4everwarriors on December 13, 2012, 10:45:09 AM
Similar to outdoor sex, if you ax me.
yeah, but you unnatural carnal knowledge goats.
Quote from: Warriors10 on December 13, 2012, 10:44:14 AM
UConn, Cincy, USF gonna be pissed
This part is B.S. They have no right to be pissed. Maybe disappointed, but definitely not pissed after they have been lobbying to get out of the Big East the past two years.
Quote from: Warriors10 on December 13, 2012, 10:44:14 AM
Get the popcorn ready and I hope everybody is lawyered up.
UConn, Cincy, USF gonna be pissed
Schools that paid exit fees aren't going to be happy either
Who keeps what assets
They schools that left caused this to happen, what occurs after they vacate is none of their concern so I don't know how they have any legitimate grievance. I believe they need to vote on asset distribution - that's where the football schools are going to fight the most I'd assume, i.e. if the 7 get the name, they want more than their share of exit fee money - a vote that results in them not getting enough will just result in a legal settlement.
Quote from: Abode4life on December 13, 2012, 10:47:05 AM
This part is B.S. They have no right to be pissed. Maybe disappointed, but definitely not pissed after they have been lobbying to get out of the Big East the past two years.
I'd love to hear their argument in court.
"Yes, Your Honor, we have wanted out of the Big East for a couple years now, and more recently begged the ACC to take us instead of Louisville. But we never
really wanted to leave and now we feel so injured by the whole process. Rule in our favor, and we'll help O.J. find the real killer."
Quote from: Abode4life on December 13, 2012, 10:47:05 AM
This part is B.S. They have no right to be pissed. Maybe disappointed, but definitely not pissed after they have been lobbying to get out of the Big East the past two years.
USF has a legitimate gripe. (I assume the fact that I've never heard mention of their trying to leave indicates that it hasn't happened seriously.)
Of the football schools, the only one I really feel for is USF. Temple and Memphis can probably go back to their current conferences if we don't take them, albeit with tails between their legs. Cincy and UConn I still feel would have value to keep as non-football members, but they've been trying actively to get out for a long time.
USF was always the outlier in the Big East, sort of like Marquette from a geographic standpoint. They finally get their basketball in order and have always been one of our better football schools, and really haven't seemed as active to get out as the rest, and now they're screwed. Just when it looked like UCF, Houston, and SMU would make them feel more comfortable for them here, it's over. And no way is the ACC coming for them, it's pretty much falling back to C-USA or Sun Belt level.
But I'd rather feel a little bad for USF than still be wondering what the whims of the football schools will do to victimize us next.
Quote from: Warriors10 on December 13, 2012, 10:44:14 AM
Get the popcorn ready and I hope everybody is lawyered up.
UConn, Cincy, USF gonna be pissed
Schools that paid exit fees aren't going to be happy either
Who keeps what assets
My understanding is that the Catholic schools get to keep $50-60 million generated by the withdrawal fees of WV, TCU, Pitt, Syr, ND, Rutgers, 'Ville and also will split $24 million in NCAA BB tournament shares.
Quote from: Abode4life on December 13, 2012, 10:47:05 AM
This part is B.S. They have no right to be pissed. Maybe disappointed, but definitely not pissed after they have been lobbying to get out of the Big East the past two years.
UCONN and Cincy got exactly what they wanted here: Out of the Big East. ;D
Holy S*** that was fast.
I'm happy for MU...and thrilled that UConn and Cincy appear screwed. Hope they're both stuck playing in C-USA.
Quote from: ATWizJr on December 13, 2012, 10:53:52 AM
My understanding is that the Catholic schools get to keep $50-60 million generated by the withdrawal fees of WV, TCU, Pitt, Syr, ND, Rutgers, 'Ville and also will split $24 million in NCAA BB tournament shares.
Not exactly chump change.
I hope the schools without elite athletics use some of that cash to help themselves.
Honestly, this conference can't afford the bottom feeders to be terrible. It will pull everybody down and it will be like a slightly better A10. Can't have that.
Everybody better be ready to step up. crap just got real.
I must say, LW seems to be one of the driving factors of this. I have to give him some credit.
Love this adorable post from the SMU board:
http://ponyfans.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=64681&sid=043fbcdbfb7157a85513b7a8150736e7
SMU
Houston
UCF
USF
Memphis
Cincinnati
UCONN
Temple
possibly add:
UMASS
Villanova (move up from FCS to FBS to appease UCONN and strengthen basketball in the league)
Talk to Georgetown about moving up to FBS as well.
Small, but solid conference. Keeps the Texas/Florida/Northeast markets. Add more as needed.
Quote from: Aughnanure on December 13, 2012, 11:02:09 AM
Love this adorable post from the SMU board:
http://ponyfans.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=64681&sid=043fbcdbfb7157a85513b7a8150736e7
SMU
Houston
UCF
USF
Memphis
Cincinnati
UCONN
Temple
possibly add:
UMASS
Villanova (move up from FCS to FBS to appease UCONN and strengthen basketball in the league)
Talk to Georgetown about moving up to FBS as well.
Small, but solid conference. Keeps the Texas/Florida/Northeast markets. Add more as needed.
Was that from SMU17, SMU18 or SMU19?
Quote from: Aughnanure on December 13, 2012, 11:02:09 AM
Love this adorable post from the SMU board:
http://ponyfans.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=64681&sid=043fbcdbfb7157a85513b7a8150736e7
SMU
Houston
UCF
USF
Memphis
Cincinnati
UCONN
Temple
possibly add:
UMASS
Villanova (move up from FCS to FBS to appease UCONN and strengthen basketball in the league)
Talk to Georgetown about moving up to FBS as well.
Small, but solid conference. Keeps the Texas/Florida/Northeast markets. Add more as needed.
Outside of the GTown reference, is it that far off? Those schools need somewhere...
Not happening today.
https://twitter.com/GaryParrishCBS/status/279268240973234177
A source has told @CBSSports that a formal announcement from the Big East is NOT expected today -- http://cbsprt.co/TWQ9Iz
Parrish updated the story.
Quote from: PTM on December 13, 2012, 11:05:17 AM
Outside of the GTown reference, is it that far off? Those schools need somewhere...
That conference could happen, other than assuming Villanova and Georgetown now want to upgrade to FBS, years too late and after making today's move is a big F-U to interest in FBS football.
Quote from: T-Bone on December 13, 2012, 11:06:37 AM
Not happening today.
https://twitter.com/GaryParrishCBS/status/279268240973234177
A source has told @CBSSports that a formal announcement from the Big East is NOT expected today -- http://cbsprt.co/TWQ9Iz
Parrish updated the story.
So last night it went from 24-48 hours and now it's within a week? WTF.
Quote from: Aughnanure on December 13, 2012, 11:02:09 AM
Love this adorable post from the SMU board:
http://ponyfans.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=64681&sid=043fbcdbfb7157a85513b7a8150736e7
SMU
Houston
UCF
USF
Memphis
Cincinnati
UCONN
Temple
possibly add:
UMASS
Villanova (move up from FCS to FBS to appease UCONN and strengthen basketball in the league)
Talk to Georgetown about moving up to FBS as well.
Small, but solid conference. Keeps the Texas/Florida/Northeast markets. Add more as needed.
Wow UConn and Cincy... karma really is a bitch
My guess is that they are backing off so they can get all the ducks in a row and properly announce everything at once... including membership of the new conference.
Quote from: JDuquaine on December 13, 2012, 11:09:14 AM
So last night it went from 24-48 hours and now it's within a week? WTF.
My uneducated guess is they want to throw a big press conference announcing the new conference and introducing all the members. With an awesome laser show and confetti cannons.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on December 13, 2012, 11:11:25 AM
My guess is that they are backing off so they can get all the ducks in a row and properly announce everything at once... including membership of the new conference.
If that's the reason, fine. But this needs to happen!
Quote from: chapman on December 13, 2012, 11:08:13 AM
That conference could happen, other than assuming Villanova and Georgetown now want to upgrade to FBS, years too late and after making today's move is a big F-U to interest in FBS football.
The only thing worse than "no football" is "bad football".
Quote from: chapman on December 13, 2012, 11:08:13 AM
That conference could happen, other than assuming Villanova and Georgetown now want to upgrade to FBS, years too late and after making today's move is a big F-U to interest in FBS football.
The only problem is that a confernce like that would not have stability. UConn and Cincy would be temporary members and maybe Houston and memphis as well.
Quote from: Aughnanure on December 13, 2012, 11:02:09 AM
Love this adorable post from the SMU board:
http://ponyfans.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=64681&sid=043fbcdbfb7157a85513b7a8150736e7
SMU
Houston
UCF
USF
Memphis
Cincinnati
UCONN
Temple
possibly add:
UMASS
Villanova (move up from FCS to FBS to appease UCONN and strengthen basketball in the league)
Talk to Georgetown about moving up to FBS as well.
Small, but solid conference. Keeps the Texas/Florida/Northeast markets. Add more as needed.
Nova and GU talk is just stupid, but aside from that it's a good idea. UConn and Cincy might not want to join, but even without them it's a good idea. Rather than have everybody going back to their conferences with their tails between their legs just form CUSA II. It'll be better than CUSA is now. Add a few more teams and you've got yourself a southeast based mid-major conference. Plus Temple.
Quote from: Aughnanure on December 13, 2012, 11:02:09 AM
Love this adorable post from the SMU board:
http://ponyfans.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=64681&sid=043fbcdbfb7157a85513b7a8150736e7
SMU
Houston
UCF
USF
Memphis
Cincinnati
UCONN
Temple
possibly add:
UMASS
Villanova (move up from FCS to FBS to appease UCONN and strengthen basketball in the league)
Talk to Georgetown about moving up to FBS as well.
Small, but solid conference. Keeps the Texas/Florida/Northeast markets. Add more as needed.
They haven't been through the past two years of conference realignment first hand like we have. Just wait til UCONN, and Cincy leave. Also who knows about Houston/Memphis.
Is the ink dried on Tommy Tuberville's contract?
Quote from: hairyworthen on December 13, 2012, 11:13:27 AM
The only problem is that a confernce like that would not have stability. UConn and Cincy would be temporary members and maybe Houston and memphis as well.
And it wouldn't be OUR problem this time! ;D
I bet the "delay" in announcing is because they want to unveil the new additions in one big reveal along with the new conference so they're just lining up everything before calling a big press conference.
Quote from: CaptainAwesome on December 13, 2012, 11:12:48 AM
My uneducated guess is they want to throw a big press conference announcing the new conference and introducing all the members. With an awesome laser show and confetti cannons.
And they'll invite all the scoopers!
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Quote from: lawwarrior12 on December 13, 2012, 11:18:53 AM
I bet the "delay" in announcing is because they want to unveil the new additions in one big reveal along with the new conference so they're just lining up everything before calling a big press conference.
This, and leaking that they are going to announce puts other schools in the "put up, or shut up" category.
Bluffs have been called, and the "Heaven 7" are all in. Time for others to decide.
Quote from: Guns n Ammo on December 13, 2012, 10:58:34 AM
Not exactly chump change.
I hope the schools without elite athletics use some of that cash to help themselves.
Honestly, this conference can't afford the bottom feeders to be terrible. It will pull everybody down and it will be like a slightly better A10. Can't have that.
Everybody better be ready to step up. crap just got real.
This is definitely going to court in some fashion, but it's good to be holding the spear rather than having to stare at the point of it.
Quote from: ATWizJr on December 13, 2012, 10:53:52 AM
My understanding is that the Catholic schools get to keep $50-60 million generated by the withdrawal fees of WV, TCU, Pitt, Syr, ND, Rutgers, 'Ville and also will split $24 million in NCAA BB tournament shares.
I would guess, however, that a portion of that will be used to settle the surely impending lawsuit from UConn/Cinci/ USF/maybe Temple. Even so, hopefully the new league will still get the lion's share of that money.
Quote from: PTM on December 13, 2012, 11:05:17 AM
Outside of the GTown reference, is it that far off? Those schools need somewhere...
That was my point. And Villanova wouldn't vote with us if they wanted too be in a conference like this. So both are completely off. What would be the point of the split then?
Quote from: PTM on December 13, 2012, 11:14:48 AM
Is the ink dried on Tommy Tuberville's contract?
Shows you how bad that TTech job/the environment is that he would leave. Tommy is a smart guy and knew what he was getting into.
Quote from: Aughnanure on December 13, 2012, 11:24:02 AM
That was my point. And Villanova wouldn't vote with us if they wanted too be in a conference like this. So both are completely off. What would be the point of the split then?
Very true, but I wouldn't be surprise to see the former Big East invitees create a new conference of their own.
Quote from: Guns n Ammo on December 13, 2012, 11:21:25 AM
This, and leaking that they are going to announce puts other schools in the "put up, or shut up" category.
Bluffs have been called, and the "Heaven 7" are all in. Time for others to decide.
This
Quote from: Aughnanure on December 13, 2012, 11:24:02 AM
That was my point. And Villanova wouldn't vote with us if they wanted too be in a conference like this. So both are completely off. What would be the point of the split then?
I'm just happy that other fan bases don't judge all of us by some of our crazier posters.
feel me?
Does anybody have an idea of when this conference would be put in place? Could it be effective as early as the 2013-2014 season or would we have to wait until 2014-2015?
I would think this would help reciting. Selling a conference solely driven by basketball would allow recruiters to assure recruits that all the attention will be theirs. How awesome would it be if this new group got to be known as the NBA-prep conference?
Logical outcome that's been coming for awhile now. Now we can move forward and build.
So LW and Pilarz just fell into this, right?
I mean, this thread is severely lacking in disparaging them.
/preemptive strike
Quote from: LancesOtherNut on December 13, 2012, 11:39:45 AM
So LW and Pilarz just fell into this, right?
I mean, this thread is severely lacking in disparaging them.
/preemptive strike
+1
as I said earlier - silly, little SMU...
Quote from: Aughnanure on December 13, 2012, 11:02:09 AM
Love this adorable post from the SMU board:
http://ponyfans.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=64681&sid=043fbcdbfb7157a85513b7a8150736e7
SMU
Houston
UCF
USF
Memphis
Cincinnati
UCONN
Temple
possibly add:
UMASS
Villanova (move up from FCS to FBS to appease UCONN and strengthen basketball in the league)
Talk to Georgetown about moving up to FBS as well.
Small, but solid conference. Keeps the Texas/Florida/Northeast markets. Add more as needed.
I'm not fans of Larry or Pilarz but saying this move was a novel brain child and needing great leadership is being quite nice to LW and Father P.
Still not sure the Tulane comments were necessary, but LW was smart to get his name and comments out there the day before. Good PR move for Larry's career. Chalk one positive up in the LW media category.
Quote from: Stone Cold on December 13, 2012, 11:52:28 AM
I'm not fans of Larry or Pilarz but saying this move was a novel brain child and needing great leadership is being quite nice to LW and Father P.
Still not sure the Tulane comments were necessary, but LW was smart to get his name and comments out there the day before. Good PR move for Larry's career. Chalk one positive up in the LW media category.
I think they were totally necessary. It demonstrates that the BEAST was thinking that football was so important to them that they were willing to add a member without even discussing it with the basketball only schools. Generally, its good to show a lack of leadership if you are going to criticize it.
I hope not playing Memphis will not have J Johnson taking another look at his commitment to MU.
Quote from: hojm on December 13, 2012, 12:03:29 PM
I hope not playing Memphis will not have J Johnson taking another look at his commitment to MU.
the letter has been signed, can't go anywhere now.
Quote from: hojm on December 13, 2012, 12:03:29 PM
I hope not playing Memphis will not have J Johnson taking another look at his commitment to MU.
I hope playing Memphis didn't figure more than 2% of his decision to begin with.
I absolutely love this move. Hopefully they are just waiting to sort out some of the logistics and get the other schools on board. No way they would do this without at least 3-5 other solid programs ready to join. I can't wait.
Now you probably have some stability. There was never going to be stability with a mix of basketball only schools with those having football. Wish MU and the new conference the best. Hope it is recognized as the premier basketball conference.
When I read the headline from the Providence Journal piece that Chicos linked ("MU AD Opens Up On Big East Future, Disses A10") I thought "Oh, shyte, here we go again". Read the piece, listened to the entire interview with Homer and have no problem with Larry - as often, the headline was an overstatement/misleading. This outcome was predictable, but I'm glad the C7 schools are acting before every rat has left the ship and I'm especially glad that for whatever reason LW seems at least for now to be the point man.
Quote from: esard2011 on December 13, 2012, 11:28:55 AM
Does anybody have an idea of when this conference would be put in place? Could it be effective as early as the 2013-2014 season or would we have to wait until 2014-2015?
....And how long would the conference have to wait to get an automatic bid, assuming the the greedy BCS schools don't bolt from the NCAA tournament and create their own.
Quote from: MUMountin on December 13, 2012, 11:23:19 AM
I would guess, however, that a portion of that will be used to settle the surely impending lawsuit from UConn/Cinci/ USF/maybe Temple. Even so, hopefully the new league will still get the lion's share of that money.
For sure. If distributing assets, including the Big East name involves a simple vote there is nothing the football schools are going to accept as fair and equitable. They will file a suit claiming that the C7 cannot dissolve the conference and in asset distribution take the money and take the name by a simple vote; the settlement will likely be more than their even share of the exit fee money in exchange for the rights to the brand - can't imagine the footballs schools, two of which are looking to leave anyway would want to retain the name and give up money to keep it.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on December 13, 2012, 12:18:26 PM
....And how long would the conference have to wait to get an automatic bid, assuming the the greedy BCS schools don't bolt from the NCAA tournament and create their own.
According to this the autobid will be retained with just the C7 sticking together: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/college-basketball/news/20121213/big-east-basketball/
Quote from: lawwarrior12 on December 13, 2012, 12:31:44 PM
According to this the autobid will be retained with just the C7 sticking together: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/college-basketball/news/20121213/big-east-basketball/
That's probably my fault. I thought it was 8 schools for 7 years, but it's 7 schools for 5 years. As it stands, if the C7 sticks together, we're good to go.
Though I still think there's value in offering the football schools currently here as a way to stem off potential lawsuits.
brew, I think the C7 may just announce their intent to dissolve the conference. Then they can work on the details of the divorce without actually voting to dissolve.
Hey...Marquette students are the picture announcing this on Deadspin!
http://deadspin.com/5968214/it-looks-like-the-big-easts-non+football-schools-are-jumping-ship
First vote should be to do away with any penalty for leaving the conference. Let the football teams leave if they want.. maybe Boise/SDSU will simply leave. No reason to have a penalty, of course. Maybe UConn, Cinci, Temple, etc form a new conference.
Next get an agreement that the conference ceases to exist in 2 years when the football TV contract is up.. in the mean time, the basketball and football schools have their own separate divisions and basketball negotiates it's own TV contract starting next year. This limits potential damages, treats other schools in a dignified manner (not that most deserve it), gives us our new conference next year albeit under a BE umbrella. In exchange for one odd year, we probably limit damages/lawsuits and give the other schools a year and a half to figure it out.
Just my thoughts, now all can tell me where I'm wrong.
I really dont want this to be just a bluff by the C7 just to keep the conference together. I also dont want a football basketball split, thats how this whole mess started in the first place. The C7 should just follow through with the split and poach off the A-10 and MWC. This would put Marquette in the best place possible. No sense of staying on a ship that may eventually sink in another 5-10 years. Sure up the basketball conference where nobody will want to leave.
Quote from: RideMyBuycks on December 13, 2012, 11:30:35 AM
I would think this would help reciting. Selling a conference solely driven by basketball would allow recruiters to assure recruits that all the attention will be theirs. How awesome would it be if this new group got to be known as the NBA-prep conference?
This conference will be pretty good but lets be honest, over the last 5 years the best schools have been:
UConn
Pitt
Cuse
Louisville
MU
Nova
Georgetown
4 of those 7 are gone. We're adding solid teams but we're not replacing the caliber of the missing 4. I know Butler went to two final games and I know X is a tourney regular but I would bet the RPI of this conf will be a step down from the past 5 years.
Nonetheless this is a great landing spot. We're better off than we were in CUSA, so all good.
Quote from: esard2011 on December 13, 2012, 12:44:12 PM
I really dont want this to be just a bluff by the C7 just to keep the conference together.
Why would they bluff to keep the status quo?
I dont think its a bluff at all but some posters seem to think it would be better to stay in the conference with Tulane, SMU and them. I dont like that idea.
Quote from: GOO on December 13, 2012, 12:40:57 PM
First vote should be to do away with any penalty for leaving the conference. Let the football teams leave if they want.. maybe Boise/SDSU will simply leave. No reason to have a penalty, of course. Maybe UConn, Cinci, Temple, etc form a new conference.
Next get an agreement that the conference ceases to exist in 2 years when the football TV contract is up.. in the mean time, the basketball and football schools have their own separate divisions and basketball negotiates it's own TV contract starting next year. This limits potential damages, treats other schools in a dignified manner (not that most deserve it), gives us our new conference next year albeit under a BE umbrella. In exchange for one odd year, we probably limit damages/lawsuits and give the other schools a year and a half to figure it out.
Just my thoughts, now all can tell me where I'm wrong.
There's no exit fees if the conference abandons. No entity to levy or pay fees to.
If the conference decides to disband, the new schools have nothing to go to. There may be some sort of payout to them as a result or at least as a way to prevent litigation.
Keeping the basketball only teams with the football teams mean that the conference will always be moving in two different directions with different priorities. It'd be like a company merger having two CEOs, I don't think that has ever worked out very well.
Dissolve, reform, and move forward distraction free.
Quote from: esard2011 on December 13, 2012, 12:47:13 PM
I dont think its a bluff at all but some posters seem to think it would be better to stay in the conference with Tulane, SMU and them. I dont like that idea.
Some of these posters also want football to be restarted here...
Unless those posters are named Larry Williams or Scott Pilarz, it really doesn't matter what they think.
I'm glad this move is coming. I'm tired about the BE adding all these other football schools with their JV level teams. It is about time! As for the 3 left overs. . .good for them.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on December 13, 2012, 12:48:44 PM
Unless those posters are named Larry Williams or Scott Pilarz, it really doesn't matter what they think.
Until they start an email campaign.
I don't think the basketball schools dissolve the conference because of the lawsuits/damage potential. It would be nice, but I don't see it happening, unless it is agreed to by the football schools as well.
But, to just leave the conference and leave 60M or so in exit fees, and leave 30M to 40M or so in NCAA units to the remaining teams, seems like a lot to give up (probably 8 to 10 million per team leaving). If we just leave, UConn, Cinci, and USF will have not place to go, but at least they'll get the conference and 90 to 100M to split.
The more I think about it, unless there is some quick action and just letting it sort it self out in court over the next 5 years or so, there is no dissolution of the conference and no breakaway.. unless there is a nice check waiting on the Media Side to make up for leaving millions behind.... so, some crappy 2 divisions set up under the BE banner for the next couple of years could happen, with a negotiated split. Give the football teams time to line up what's next for the conference or leave in a more orderly manner.
Obviously, the more football teams that leave of their own accord, the better. Limit the potential liability.
Goo, all the basketball schools have to do is threaten to dissolve before July and announce their intention to work out a split. If they don't, they can go nuclear and dissolve in July and let it all sort out later. This is the last year of the BE as we know it. The television contracts end after this year. This can't go on for a couple more years - it would be like a divorced couple living under the same roof.
I'm thinking maybe the league officially disbands the current iteration of the Big East. But then, some legal contracts are already signed and the very next minute/day - after all previous agreements have been nullified - the "Big East" forms again, with the new "conference" inheriting all of the records, etc. of the old one. That way, they retain the history.
From there, re-up w/ESPN for a TV contract and work in MSG so you can continue the Tournament there. That's a must-have.
Quote from: GOO on December 13, 2012, 01:06:53 PM
I don't think the basketball schools dissolve the conference because of the lawsuits/damage potential. It would be nice, but I don't see it happening, unless it is agreed to by the football schools as well.
But, to just leave the conference and leave 60M or so in exit fees, and leave 30M to 40M or so in NCAA units to the remaining teams, seems like a lot to give up (probably 8 to 10 million per team leaving). If we just leave, UConn, Cinci, and USF will have not place to go, but at least they'll get the conference and 90 to 100M to split.
The more I think about it, unless there is some quick action and just letting it sort it self out in court over the next 5 years or so, there is no dissolution of the conference and no breakaway.. unless there is a nice check waiting on the Media Side to make up for leaving millions behind.... so, some crappy 2 divisions set up under the BE banner for the next couple of years could happen, with a negotiated split. Give the football teams time to line up what's next for the conference or leave in a more orderly manner.
Obviously, the more football teams that leave of their own accord, the better. Limit the potential liability.
I think you missed it a little bit:
If the C7 dissolves the BE (not leave - that's entirely different), every
current member shares in a payout of the NCAA units and the exit fees paid by the other teams that left or are leaving. If the C7 just left, yes, they would forfeit their shares.
As far as future TV contracts, a basketball only league has precedent with the A-10. The new league would have more cachet(!) than the A-10 and could expect a bigger payout.
I don't think the basketball only schools would be leaving a ton on the table. Sure the TV payout might be less, but I think it will be respectable.
(Chico's thoughts on the TV side?)
Quote from: KenoshaWarrior on December 13, 2012, 10:35:26 AM
This is actually kind of exciting if you ask me. Not sure why
It's exciting because we are taking control of our destiny as opposed to having it dictated to us.
Ad Majorem Dei Gloriam.
This is what I think is happening which means nothing. The 7 basketball only schools have decided they want to go their own way. They currently have the ability to dissolve the conference, but doing so will create some substantial legal issues. Including, do the exit fees still have to be paid to a conference that no longer exists, what legal issues do we have with the new members, etc.. The BB only schools would prefer to leave without the legal complexities because it is cleaner. Therefore, they are negotiating with the Big East commissioner to let them take a substantial amount of cash or NCAA units and other things to walk away instead of dissolving the conference.
The benefit to the Big East is it leaves the conference intact to have a viable football conference. The existing BE also can collect the exit fees which are not small. The benefit to the 7 BB only schools is it gives them a clean break, cash and maybe other assets to begin the new conference.
The interesting point is whether or not the BB only schools can extract either the Big East name or the MSG conference tournament. If so, I think it is a huge win for the BB only schools
The conversation actually should be pretty easy. "Hey conference formerly known as Big East, if you want to be a football conference go nuts, but leave us out of it. We want basketball to be king and we want MSG and the BE name which is known for basketball. You take your exit fees, we take the NCAA units, automatic NCAA qualifier, BE name and MSG. Sound good?"
Best outcome is to keep Big East name. Too bad ND left for ACC before this. I'd like to think they would have stuck with the rest of the Catholic schools.
Will our new league have "Legends" and "Leaders" divisions?
But, if we dissolve, I imagine we open up a hugh potential liability. A potential for a hugh judgment against us can't be overlooked. Thus, I don't think we dissolve. Thus, if we breakaway instead to limit liability, we give up a lot of cash.
Thus, the possibility of being stuck in some divisions.
I agree, maybe some football teams leave if they seriously think we'll dissolve the conference. But, assuming their is potential for having to pay some big time damages, I'm not sure that trigger is pulled.
Quote from: TheGym on December 13, 2012, 01:22:10 PM
This is what I think is happening which means nothing. The 7 basketball only schools have decided they want to go their own way. They currently have the ability to dissolve the conference, but doing so will create some substantial legal issues. Including, do the exit fees still have to be paid to a conference that no longer exists, what legal issues do we have with the new members, etc.. The BB only schools would prefer to leave without the legal complexities because it is cleaner. Therefore, they are negotiating with the Big East commissioner to let them take a substantial amount of cash or NCAA units and other things to walk away instead of dissolving the conference.
The benefit to the Big East is it leaves the conference intact to have a viable football conference. The existing BE also can collect the exit fees which are not small. The benefit to the 7 BB only schools is it gives them a clean break, cash and maybe other assets to begin the new conference.
The interesting point is whether or not the BB only schools can extract either the Big East name or the MSG conference tournament. If so, I think it is a huge win for the BB only schools
The conversation actually should be pretty easy. "Hey conference formerly known as Big East, if you want to be a football conference go nuts, but leave us out of it. We want basketball to be king and we want MSG and the BE name which is known for basketball. You take your exit fees, we take the NCAA units, automatic NCAA qualifier, BE name and MSG. Sound good?"
Okay, this makes the most sense. As long as the football schools are willing to play ball and let us go, this can be a win for everyone. Kind of funny that the football schools now want us to stay and may not let us go (or make it difficult for us to go). This may end up being like a show down as to when and if we pull the trigger and vote to dissolve versus we leave with a negotiated cash in hand.
I thought this was about Josh Hamilton going to the Angels (sources say).
Earlier it was brought up that the RPI wouldn't be the same...which obviously it won't because of the teams that left. Does that open up a more aggressive OOC schedule?
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on December 13, 2012, 01:10:12 PM
Goo, all the basketball schools have to do is threaten to dissolve before July and announce their intention to work out a split. If they don't, they can go nuclear and dissolve in July and let it all sort out later. This is the last year of the BE as we know it. The television contracts end after this year. This can't go on for a couple more years - it would be like a divorced couple living under the same roof.
It could lead to some crazy, high-intensity drunken make-up sex from time to time. That's always fun.
Marquette comes home to see Georgetown rolling around with UConn in the bedroom???
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on December 13, 2012, 02:01:25 PM
Marquette comes home to see Georgetown rolling around with UConn in the bedroom???
True love is hard to find, sometimes you think you have true love and then you catch the early flight home from Spokane and a couple of nude schools jump out of your bathroom blindfolded like a goddamn magic show ready to double team Georgetown...
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on December 13, 2012, 02:01:25 PM
Marquette comes home to see Georgetown rolling around with UConn in the bedroom???
"It wasn't me."
Quote from: TheGym on December 13, 2012, 01:22:10 PM
The conversation actually should be pretty easy. "Hey conference formerly known as Big East, if you want to be a football conference go nuts, but leave us out of it. We want basketball to be king and we want MSG and the BE name which is known for basketball. You take your exit fees, we take the NCAA units, automatic NCAA qualifier, BE name and MSG. Sound good?"
I don't see any way in hell the football teams would accept that.
My guess it that it would elicit something like this as a counter from football teams:
"How about we just let you 7 go, and because we're nice guys we'll waive your exit fee. We'll even waive the 27 month waiting period. We'll let you take any tournament units your teams have earned. BTW, its up to the NCAA whether or not you get an automatic bid. You can have MSG for your tournament, but we want to keep the Big East name. And we'll indemnify you from potential future litigation from Temple, Tulane, SMU, Houston, UCF and any other members that joined the Big East expecting you were part of the league."
Quote from: PTM on December 13, 2012, 02:05:00 PM
True love is hard to find, sometimes you think you have true love and then you catch the early flight home from Spokane and a couple of nude schools jump out of your bathroom blindfolded like a goddamn magic show ready to double team Georgetown...
Yep.... I was thinking the same thing.
Quote from: The Equalizer on December 13, 2012, 02:10:59 PM
I don't see any way in hell the football teams would accept that.
My guess it that it would elicit something like this as a counter from football teams:
"How about we just let you 7 go, and because we're nice guys we'll waive your exit fee. We'll even waive the 27 month waiting period. We'll let you take any tournament units your teams have earned. BTW, its up to the NCAA whether or not you get an automatic bid. You can have MSG for your tournament, but we want to keep the Big East name. And we'll indemnify you from potential future litigation from Temple, Tulane, SMU, Houston, UCF and any other members that joined the Big East expecting you were part of the league."
Then the C7 say "Fine...we'll just dissolve the SOB and figure it out later."
Quote from: Avenue Commons on December 13, 2012, 01:23:30 PM
Best outcome is to keep Big East name. Too bad ND left for ACC before this. I'd like to think they would have stuck with the rest of the Catholic schools.
I'd like to think that too. But I don't.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on December 13, 2012, 02:15:38 PM
I'd like to think that too. But I don't.
Yeah, They're Notre Dame.
Quote from: The Equalizer on December 13, 2012, 02:10:59 PM
I don't see any way in hell the football teams would accept that.
My guess it that it would elicit something like this as a counter from football teams:
"How about we just let you 7 go, and because we're nice guys we'll waive your exit fee. We'll even waive the 27 month waiting period. We'll let you take any tournament units your teams have earned. BTW, its up to the NCAA whether or not you get an automatic bid. You can have MSG for your tournament, but we want to keep the Big East name. And we'll indemnify you from potential future litigation from Temple, Tulane, SMU, Houston, UCF and any other members that joined the Big East expecting you were part of the league."
To which the C7 would respond:
"Exit fees? Waiting period? Future litigation? Read the bylaws, dummies."
It's simple. The bylaws explicitly state that a 2/3 majority can dissolve the conference and decide how to allocate its assets. All the other schools that signed on to the Big East did so knowing those bylaws existed. They can't honestly claim now that they weren't aware of this could happen, because they signed onto the very document that said it could happen.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on December 13, 2012, 02:14:59 PM
Then the C7 say "Fine...we'll just dissolve the SOB and figure it out later."
If this were viewed as a viable alternative, then the other offer wouldn't have been made.
Quote from: The Equalizer on December 13, 2012, 02:23:30 PM
If this were viewed as a viable alternative, then the other offer wouldn't have been made.
Sure it would. We can either figure it out nicely, or we can figure out in courts. If you are petty about it, we just dissolve and sort it out later.
Quote from: Pakuni on December 13, 2012, 02:22:27 PM
To which the C7 would respond:
"Exit fees? Waiting period? Future litigation? Read the bylaws, dummies."
It's simple. The bylaws explicitly state that a 2/3 majority can dissolve the conference with no penalty. None. Zero. All the other schools that signed on to the Big East did so knowing those bylaws existed. They can't honestly claim now that they weren't aware of this could happen, because they signed onto the very document that said it could happen.
As for the name, if the C7 vote to dissolve the conference, the Big East no longer exists. Nobody retains the rights to the conference name because there is no conference. I suppose, out of spite, SMU, Boise State, San Diego State, Tulane, etc., could try to name their new conference the Big East, but I don't see how that helps them much.
The assets of the Old Big East would have to be sorted out. The trademark to "BIG EAST" is one of those assets. It wouldn't just disappear.
Quote from: lawwarrior12 on December 13, 2012, 02:28:35 PM
The assets of the Old Big East would have to be sorted out. The trademark to "BIG EAST" is one of those assets. It wouldn't just disappear.
You're correct.
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on December 13, 2012, 01:23:35 PM
Will our new league have "Legends" and "Leaders" divisions?
Divide it into 3 divisions: Jesus, Mary, Joseph.
Quote from: ZiggysFryBoy on December 13, 2012, 02:35:10 PM
Divide it into 3 divisions: Jesus, Mary, Joseph.
Nah. Father, Son & Holy Spirit divisions.
Call the league "God's Squad"
Quote from: The Equalizer on December 13, 2012, 02:10:59 PM
I don't see any way in hell the football teams would accept that.
My guess it that it would elicit something like this as a counter from football teams:
"How about we just let you 7 go, and because we're nice guys we'll waive your exit fee. We'll even waive the 27 month waiting period. We'll let you take any tournament units your teams have earned. BTW, its up to the NCAA whether or not you get an automatic bid. You can have MSG for your tournament, but we want to keep the Big East name. And we'll indemnify you from potential future litigation from Temple, Tulane, SMU, Houston, UCF and any other members that joined the Big East expecting you were part of the league."
Okay this should be fun. Let's negotiate this.
"Then Mr. Conference formerly known as the Big East. So we all agree that we should get some NCAA units, MSG and we will let the NCAA decide the automatic qualifier. First, let's talk about the units. How about you keep the UCONN and Cincy units and we get the rest. Fair? Second, not sure why you want the Big East name, but in return for the Big East name you give us $10M, deal? Remember we can always just disband and let the courts decide this. I don't think anyone wants that, right?"
Quote from: cbowe3 on December 13, 2012, 02:41:03 PM
Call the league "God's Squad"
Trinity Athletic Conference. It's the TAC.
Quote from: lawwarrior12 on December 13, 2012, 02:28:35 PM
The assets of the Old Big East would have to be sorted out. The trademark to "BIG EAST" is one of those assets. It wouldn't just disappear.
This is where I see the most litigation coming. The schools that already left have to pay their exit fees, those trying to join knew the risk that the conference could not exist, those in now accepted that the conference could be dissolved within the bylaws. But a simple vote or agreement on asset distribution will be hotly contested and primary driver of litigation. There's the brand and the cash, and UConn/UC/USF are going to argue that assets have to be divided equally and contest that giving up their share of the brand is worth a lot of the cash. As far as timing for C7 to move forward, it'll be just like all the other conference defections - do it now, settle the legal issues later, never wait around.
Quote from: PTM on December 13, 2012, 02:45:50 PM
Trinity Athletic Conference. It's the TAC.
We have our first sponsor.
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Quote from: chapman on December 13, 2012, 02:47:02 PM
We have our first sponsor.
(http://freshpeel.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/Juno_Tic_Tacs.jpg)
Orange Tic-Tacs, delicious, but they don't do a damn thing for your breath.
Quote from: PTM on December 13, 2012, 02:48:55 PM
Orange Tic-Tacs, delicious, but they don't do a damn thing for your breath.
There is little better than putting an entire package of orange Tic-Tacs in your mouth at once.
Quote from: chapman on December 13, 2012, 02:50:08 PM
There is little better than putting an entire package of orange Tic-Tacs in your mouth at once.
That's not what your favorite female relative says.
Quote from: Skatastrophy on December 13, 2012, 02:51:19 PM
That's not what your favorite female relative says.
*dammit*
Quote from: PTM on December 13, 2012, 02:45:50 PM
Trinity Athletic Conference. It's the TAC.
If we stop at 8 members we could be the Celib8.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaab/bigeast/2012/12/13/big-east-conference-basketball-split-catholic-member-schools/1767387/
Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on December 13, 2012, 03:03:31 PM
If we stop at 8 members we could be the Celib8.
It wouldn't be accurate.
Quote from: TJ on December 13, 2012, 03:09:11 PM
It wouldn't be accurate.
Neither is any other conference name. I thought that was the point.
Sorry if this has been posted. This makes it...more official?
Big East's Catholic member schools to leave conference
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaab/bigeast/2012/12/13/big-east-conference-basketball-split-catholic-member-schools/1767387/?sf7855890=1
Next question is where will the conference tourney be if it's moved from MSG?
Quote from: Benny B on December 13, 2012, 03:16:44 PM
Neither is any other conference name. I thought that was the point.
It was a bad joke about celibacy amongst Catholics...
Quote from: Warrior1214 on December 13, 2012, 03:27:09 PM
Next question is where will the conference tourney be if it's moved from MSG?
My opinion...
1) Keep MSG. Best option as it's the "World's Most Famous Arena" and a guaranteed trip to New York is a selling point for recruits.
2) Atlantis (Or Cancun, Puerto Rico, etc). I know it seems to make no sense, but offering a legitimate vacation destination for all conference fans once a year would be tons of fun. Even if your team fares poorly, you have the sun and sand.
3) Verizon Center in DC. Having Georgetown host every year is no worse than St. John's, and it's our next most major venue.
I'd love to find a way to have it in Brooklyn. I know the A10 had an agreement there, but if the C7 nabs its best teams, I wonder how long that would last.
Quote from: brewcity77 on December 13, 2012, 03:34:03 PM
My opinion...
1) Keep MSG. Best option as it's the "World's Most Famous Arena" and a guaranteed trip to New York is a selling point for recruits.
2) Atlantis (Or Cancun, Puerto Rico, etc). I know it seems to make no sense, but offering a legitimate vacation destination for all conference fans once a year would be tons of fun. Even if your team fares poorly, you have the sun and sand.
3) Steal the Barclays from the fledgling A-10.
4) Verizon Center in DC. Having Georgetown host every year is no worse than St. John's, and it's our next most major venue.
Fixed.
Quote from: brewcity77 on December 13, 2012, 03:34:03 PM
My opinion...
1) Keep MSG. Best option as it's the "World's Most Famous Arena" and a guaranteed trip to New York is a selling point for recruits.
2) Atlantis (Or Cancun, Puerto Rico, etc). I know it seems to make no sense, but offering a legitimate vacation destination for all conference fans once a year would be tons of fun. Even if your team fares poorly, you have the sun and sand.
3) Verizon Center in DC. Having Georgetown host every year is no worse than St. John's, and it's our next most major venue.
3) United Center in Chicago. Having DePaul host every year is no worse than St. John's, Chicago is better, more accessible city than D.C., it's our second largest market and more centrally located for most potential conference members.
Quote from: PTM on December 13, 2012, 03:38:01 PM
Quote from: brewcity77 on December 13, 2012, 03:34:03 PM
My opinion...
1) Keep MSG. Best option as it's the "World's Most Famous Arena" and a guaranteed trip to New York is a selling point for recruits.
2) Keep MSG. Best option as it's the "World's Most Famous Arena" and a guaranteed trip to New York is a selling point for recruits.
3) Keep MSG. Best option as it's the "World's Most Famous Arena" and a guaranteed trip to New York is a selling point for recruits.
4) Steal the Barclays from the fledgling A-10.
5) Verizon Center in DC. Having Georgetown host every year is no worse than St. John's, and it's our next most major venue.
6/7) Philadelphia/Chicago.
8) Atlantis (Or Cancun, Puerto Rico, etc). I know it seems to make no sense, but offering a legitimate vacation destination for all conference fans once a year would be tons of fun. Even if your team fares poorly, you have the sun and sand.
Fixed.
Fixed.
MSG represents basketball, legacy, and big city.
This conference should do the same.
I shudder at the thought of playing in that stupid hotel ballroom.
Edit: Forgot to mention that we will never fill a decent-sized arena anywhere tropical.
Quote from: Pakuni on December 13, 2012, 03:45:00 PM
3) United Center in Chicago. Having DePaul host every year is no worse than St. John's, Chicago is better, more accessible city than D.C., it's our second largest market and more centrally located for most potential conference members.
We'd have to fight the B1G for it as they have about half their conference tourneys there. Not worth the effort, in my opinion. I still think a tropical destination trumps anywhere that's not MSG. Barclays might be on par with that, but I think having a guaranteed monster Spring Break opportunity every year is pretty cool.
New order
1.) MSG
IF MSG becomes the nesting place for a Godzilla-like creature we can explore the following options:
4302.) Barclays
4303.) Chicago/DC alternating years
4304.) Vegas. I think having great basketball teams in Vegas would be incredible. Possible Vegas/Chicago/DC alternating if Gonzaga joins up.
4305.) Exotic location. Warm location, not On The Border ZFB.
Chicago, if we can't keep MSG. The proposed new arena at McCormick Center for DePaul.
Quote from: brewcity77 on December 13, 2012, 03:49:19 PM
We'd have to fight the B1G for it as they have about half their conference tourneys there.
True, but that's only the case through 2015 (2013 and 2015 will be in Chicago). What happens after that hasn't been decided. Methinks Mr. Reinsdorf and Mr. Wirtz would be happy to take the guarantee of this conference every year than the possibility of the Big 10 every other year.
On top of the Burj Khalifa #bigtime
(http://dubaishortstay.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/burj-dubai3.jpg)
We could have the conference tourney on the deck of a carrier in Charleston harbor.....ooooooooh. Maybe not.
Convert this tennis court at the Burj Al Arab to a basketball court.
(http://flylyf.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/burjalarab-tennis-court9-600x449.jpg)
Boom, steak dinner.
Quote from: tower912 on December 13, 2012, 03:58:32 PM
We could have the conference tourney on the deck of a carrier in Charleston harbor.....ooooooooh. Maybe not.
Too soon? :D
Quote from: Aughnanure on December 13, 2012, 03:20:55 PM
Sorry if this has been posted. This makes it...more official?
Big East's Catholic member schools to leave conference
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaab/bigeast/2012/12/13/big-east-conference-basketball-split-catholic-member-schools/1767387/?sf7855890=1
Probably a little less official, it's the frackin' USA Today.
/still a sucker for their color weather map.
(http://garciamedia.com/images/blog/USA_TODAY_weather_map2_thumb.jpg)
Quote from: PTM on December 13, 2012, 03:52:56 PM
New order
1.) MSG
IF MSG becomes the nesting place for a Godzilla-like creature we can explore the following options:
4302.) Barclays
4303.) Chicago/DC alternating years
4304.) Vegas. I think having great basketball teams in Vegas would be incredible. Possible Vegas/Chicago/DC alternating if Gonzaga joins up.
4305.) Exotic location. Warm location, not On The Border ZFB.
You forgot about the last city on the list.
4306.) Indianapolis
How about an aircraft carrier? There has got to be one available in March somewhere.
Quote from: Niv Berkowitz on December 13, 2012, 04:07:50 PM
You forgot about the last city on the list.
4306.) Indianapolis
Pac-12 already grabbed Vegas for their tourney. Not sure for how many years.
If MSG exercises an out clause and jumps in bed with the ACC, I'd like to see Barclay's do the same thing and escape the A-10. I could live with a C7 tourney at that shiny new arena in Brooklyn.
It's gotta be MSG.
The big ticket donors are the ones that drive it. Not what any athlete wants to see. Big donor wants to go to NYC, not Indy, maybe Chicago or DC.
As pointed out on Dayton's fan forums, the cheerleaders in this conference will be the most covered up women ever.
Quote from: Groin_pull on December 13, 2012, 04:13:50 PM
Pac-12 already grabbed Vegas for their tourney. Not sure for how many years.
That's why I said great basketball.
Quote from: Warrior1214 on December 13, 2012, 03:27:09 PM
Next question is where will the conference tourney be if it's moved from MSG?
Must.... restrain.... self...
We should join the SEC.
Quote from: Benny B on December 13, 2012, 04:34:38 PM
Must.... restrain.... self...
Somewhere on the White River might be nice
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on December 13, 2012, 07:36:03 PM
Somewhere on the White River might be nice
Don't tempt me. It's Thurs night and I have beer.
Quote from: Benny B on December 13, 2012, 07:39:55 PM
Don't tempt me. It's Thurs night and I have beer.
(http://gifs.gifbin.com/092010/1283335312_beer-cat.gif)
No matter what happens I would rather be in a basketball first league than subject to more football BS.
Quote from: bkooncy on December 13, 2012, 07:55:33 PM
No matter what happens I would rather be in a basketball first league than subject to more football BS.
Hypothetical question- would we rather a bball first league or the SEC or Big 10?
http://www.jsonline.com/sports/goldeneagles/bigeast14-d7815om-183439151.html sorry if someone already posted
Quote from: EnderWiggen on December 13, 2012, 07:57:28 PM
Hypothetical question- would we rather a bball first league or the SEC or Big 10?
Woud either conference want us? That answer is NO! so I would rather be in a basketball first conference than the Big 12, or Pac 10.
Quote from: bkooncy on December 13, 2012, 08:06:31 PM
Woud either conference want us? That answer is NO! so I would rather be in a basketball first conference than the Big 12, or Pac 10.
Oh for sure, this was a totally hypothetical question based on the idea of are we better off bball only or an extremely stable, good, hybrid conference?
1) hybrid leaguses don't work (re - see Big East)
2) No way Big 10 or SEC wants MU
Quote from: EnderWiggen on December 13, 2012, 08:09:28 PM
Oh for sure, this was a totally hypothetical question based on the idea of are we better off bball only or an extremely stable, good, hybrid conference?
Quote from: madtownwarrior on December 13, 2012, 08:21:09 PM
1) hybrid leaguses don't work (re - see Big East)
2) No way Big 10 or SEC wants MU
Again, this was totally hypothetical. I am very well aware that none of the major conferences want us =p
Quote from: madtownwarrior on December 13, 2012, 08:21:09 PM
1) hybrid leaguses don't work (re - see Big East)
2) No way Big 10 or SEC wants MU
I don't accept #1 above. If the Big East had better football (sadly, read that as more money) where the teams weren't constantly looking for greener pastures, it could have worked just fine. Put a couple basketball schools in the Big 10 and the teams still aren't going anywhere because there's nowhere more lucrative to be. #2 is a no-brainer.
Not sure if this has been posted but I really enjoyed this article.
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/8745768/the-catholic-7-take-calculable-risk-bolting-big-east-college-basketball (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/8745768/the-catholic-7-take-calculable-risk-bolting-big-east-college-basketball)
I think the hybrid failed in the big east because the power was near equal between the basketball and the football schools. If MU were to go to one of the power conferences with another non football school for instance, i don't think it would ruin the league. MU would just have to accept that they wouldn't be the ones calling the shots or have a say in anything.
Did I miss conversation on this? The USA today article states to have the 2/3 vote that 2 o the teams need to be football schools???? This puts a big dent in the negotiations that the 7 have to get the name, etc..... Did I miss something?
Playing catch up. Reading the other threads now....