ESPN reporting MU and DePaul have offered him. Not an Insider, so I can't read the rest of this story.
http://insider.espn.go.com/blog/dave-telep//post/_/id/2076/embids-recruitment-gaining-steam
Outside of Nunn, there is no one I want more in our 2013 class.
Texas, Florida, UCLA, Marquette, Depaul, Louisville, and Virginia are the schools mentioned. Transferred from Montverde (Jamail Jones) in March to another Florida school.
The last time he had a national audience, center Joel Embiid (Cameroon/The Rock) was on the wrong side of a clinic at the hands of Brandon Ashley. Then a junior center for Montverde, Embiid was given the unenviable task of trying to slow down a grooving Ashley. He didn't and Montverde succumbed to Findlay Prep in the NHSI championship.
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Joel EmbiidPaul BiancardiOnly recently Joel Embiid has transitioned from bumping, setting and spiking to dribbling, passing and dunking.
A lot has changed since last March. For starters, Embiid is no longer at Montverde. The near 7-footer transferred to The Rock in Gainesville, Fla. With Dakari Johnson (New York/Montverde) gobbling up court time, Embid might not have seen as much playing time as he would have liked, so he bolted.
"He is a surprise to me and a pleasant one at that," The Rock coach Justin Harden said. "He's every bit of 6-11. He can do a lot of good things with the ball. He's only been playing 18 months. Was a volleyball player before that."
Read the last two lines carefully. Embiid used to play more volleyball than hoops and is only 18 months into his basketball career. Gill Grissom doesn't miss clues like that and neither should we.
"At 6-11, he's got an effortless shot," Harden said. "He's a long-term stock. With what he's been able to do in 18 months in terms of skill development (it's impressive). Once he gets consistent weight training the sky is the limit."
Last season, Embiid had trouble understanding English. Basketball terminology was likely more foreign than the actual English language. At the time of the schooling at the hands of Ashley, Embiid looked like a deer in headlights. However, go back and look at the tape of the game that was on ESPN and you'll notice he was a long, lean potential guy. That much we acknowledged. After last summer, he's got everyone's attention.
Texas, Florida and UCLA are looking. DePaul and Marquette offered. Louisville and Virginia are sniffing around. UCLA's interesting because former Bruin Luc Richard Mbah a Moute is a mentor. The Gators have a slight advantage here as well. Embiid's new school, The Rock, is in Billy Donovan's zip code. Florida can babysit the big fella as required.
Multiple coaches have indicated that Texas and UCLA are not going anywhere and will be factors when decision time comes.
In a few days, college coaches are going to be able to watch workouts and do home visits. All of the guys on Embid's list -- and more -- will flock to The Rock. Most will offer based solely off background information, limited viewings and Embid's potential. At that point, we'd expect UCLA and Texas to be granted visits and the jockeying for position on his list continues.
You might not know much about Embiid right now, but don't say you weren't warned.
Quote from: brewcity77 on September 08, 2012, 01:47:15 PM
Outside of Nunn, there is no one I want more in our 2013 class.
Funny, I would have thought his name would have come up before this if that was the case.
Quote from: saucy1_23 on September 08, 2012, 03:44:07 PM
The last time he had a national audience, center Joel Embiid (Cameroon/The Rock) was on the wrong side of a clinic at the hands of Brandon Ashley. Then a junior center for Montverde, Embiid was given the unenviable task of trying to slow down a grooving Ashley. He didn't and Montverde succumbed to Findlay Prep in the NHSI championship.
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Joel EmbiidPaul BiancardiOnly recently Joel Embiid has transitioned from bumping, setting and spiking to dribbling, passing and dunking.
A lot has changed since last March. For starters, Embiid is no longer at Montverde. The near 7-footer transferred to The Rock in Gainesville, Fla. With Dakari Johnson (New York/Montverde) gobbling up court time, Embid might not have seen as much playing time as he would have liked, so he bolted.
"He is a surprise to me and a pleasant one at that," The Rock coach Justin Harden said. "He's every bit of 6-11. He can do a lot of good things with the ball. He's only been playing 18 months. Was a volleyball player before that."
Read the last two lines carefully. Embiid used to play more volleyball than hoops and is only 18 months into his basketball career. Gill Grissom doesn't miss clues like that and neither should we.
"At 6-11, he's got an effortless shot," Harden said. "He's a long-term stock. With what he's been able to do in 18 months in terms of skill development (it's impressive). Once he gets consistent weight training the sky is the limit."
Last season, Embiid had trouble understanding English. Basketball terminology was likely more foreign than the actual English language. At the time of the schooling at the hands of Ashley, Embiid looked like a deer in headlights. However, go back and look at the tape of the game that was on ESPN and you'll notice he was a long, lean potential guy. That much we acknowledged. After last summer, he's got everyone's attention.
Texas, Florida and UCLA are looking. DePaul and Marquette offered. Louisville and Virginia are sniffing around. UCLA's interesting because former Bruin Luc Richard Mbah a Moute is a mentor. The Gators have a slight advantage here as well. Embiid's new school, The Rock, is in Billy Donovan's zip code. Florida can babysit the big fella as required.
Multiple coaches have indicated that Texas and UCLA are not going anywhere and will be factors when decision time comes.
In a few days, college coaches are going to be able to watch workouts and do home visits. All of the guys on Embid's list -- and more -- will flock to The Rock. Most will offer based solely off background information, limited viewings and Embid's potential. At that point, we'd expect UCLA and Texas to be granted visits and the jockeying for position on his list continues.
You might not know much about Embiid right now, but don't say you weren't warned.
ESPN had a dearth of information about this kid, and your post certainly explains why. There are always some guys whose status blows up the summer before their senior year. But when that kid is 6'11" and still learning the game, he's gonna get noticed.
He sounds like he'll be a tough get for MU. I don't know what kind of contacts, if any, Buzz would have with anyone connected with the kid. Obviously, he's foreign. Do you know where he came from?
Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on September 08, 2012, 04:43:12 PM
Funny, I would have thought his name would have come up before this if that was the case.
It has. It's actually surprised me he wasn't mentioned here sooner.
His mentor is the Bucks's Mbah a Moute. Embid actually has some pretty strong ties to Milwaukee in other ways.
Quote from: muguru on September 08, 2012, 04:50:47 PM
His mentor is the Bucks's Mbah a Moute. Embid actually has some pretty strong ties to Milwaukee in other ways.
Fantastic. It probably makes more sense for him to go to a school in the same town as his mentor, rather than go to his mentor's old school 2,000 miles away. His last name has two i's in it right?
Quote from: brewcity77 on September 08, 2012, 01:47:15 PM
Outside of Nunn, there is no one I want more in our 2013 class.
That's a pretty strong statement with MU still on Kyle Washington's list. I'm not sayin' you're wrong, just noting you must really like his potential a lot.
Quote from: LittleMurs on September 08, 2012, 04:57:44 PM
Fantastic. It probably makes more sense for him to go to a school in the same town as his mentor, rather than go to his mentor's old school 2,000 miles away. His last name has two i's in it right?
Yes, my mistake. He does have two ii's in it.
Quote from: brewcity77 on September 08, 2012, 04:49:43 PM
It has. It's actually surprised me he wasn't mentioned here sooner.
Yeah, I guess I was referring to Scoop specifically.
What do you know about him?
Quote from: LittleMurs on September 08, 2012, 05:00:37 PM
That's a pretty strong statement with MU still on Kyle Washington's list. I'm not sayin' you're wrong, just noting you must really like his potential a lot.
He strikes me as a rich man's Mbao. The kid is a top-100 recruit and has been playing basketball for less than 2 years. His volleyball background makes him a natural shot-blocker, though his offense is a work in progress. Legitimate center with room to fill out. What may be of huge importance is his relationship with Mbah a Moute, and could help us more than UCLA as Mbah a Moute is currently with the Bucks.
I like Washington, I just think Embiid has more upside. As of now, the services listing both have them rated pretty closely, which shows how far Embiid has come in a short time. Adding Nunn and Embiid and having a 5-man class of top-100 level talents would be immense.
Quote from: LittleMurs on September 08, 2012, 05:00:37 PM
That's a pretty strong statement with MU still on Kyle Washington's list. I'm not sayin' you're wrong, just noting you must really like his potential a lot.
IMO, Embiid is more of a center while Washington is more of a PF.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on September 08, 2012, 08:58:50 PMIMO, Embiid is more of a center while Washington is more of a PF.
Agreed, and with McKay on board, Embiid would have a year behind Gardner and possibly Otule. If he was ready for 20 minutes as a sophomore, that would allow McKay to spend at least the majority of time at his natural position both of his years here.
So, MU is looking at the same guy as UCF and Virginia Commonwealth and MU offers first. Somebody needs to wake up and it ain't us. Florida, Louisville, Texas and UCLA can try to crash the party, but color UCF and Virginia Commonwealth gone.
Quote from: LittleMurs on September 08, 2012, 04:44:01 PM
Obviously, he's foreign. Do you know where he came from?
Eighteen months ago, Joel Embiid had never played basketball.
He was in his native Cameroon, and despite standing over 7-feet tall, Embiid and basketball were never a match.
http://www.cbssports.com/columns/story/19714273/from-cameroon-to-florida-embiid-quickly-emerges-on-recruiting-scene
Quote from: brewcity77 on September 08, 2012, 01:47:15 PM
Outside of Nunn, there is no one I want more in our 2013 class.
We can always recruit guards, so since I beleive we will sign two more, I would rather have Washington and Embiid than Nunn and one of them.
Quote from: mr.MUskie on September 08, 2012, 11:10:41 PM
Eighteen months ago, Joel Embiid had never played basketball.
He was in his native Cameroon, and despite standing over 7-feet tall, Embiid and basketball were never a match.
http://www.cbssports.com/columns/story/19714273/from-cameroon-to-florida-embiid-quickly-emerges-on-recruiting-scene
Only been playing 18 months and look at what he does at 2:54 in that video. The classic Wade move! IMPRESSIVE.
A cursory review of Ye Olde Twitta Tracka would seem to indicate that Embiid is a UL lean... the UL students/fans/alums have been doing a great job recruiting him, apparently.
(Credit to Rubie Q and PT for yesterday's banter.)
MU very much has a shot here....Joel trains in the summer with a friend of mine in Milwaukee. Mbah Moute being in Milwaukee is a huge deal. This kid has tremendous upside, is severely underecruited, and has more potential than any BIG in the class of 2013. Would love to see him an MU uniform.
Jwilkom?
Do you know if he is scheduled for an offcial Visit? What other High Major's is he looking at?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6PfhukWLyQ
Cardinal Connect Q&A with 2013 Recruit Joel Embiid: 4 days ago.
CC: What are your initial thoughts on receiving an offer from Louisville?
Embiid: "I don t know a lot about Louisville, but I watched some games during the NCAA tournament. I really like the style of play. I think I would fit nicely. Coach Pitino was here today, he watched me work out and play. He offered me a scholarship himself."
CC: What other schools have offered you a scholarship?
Embiid: "Kansas, Florida, Texas, Marquette, DePaul, George Washington, SMU, Kansas State, Vanderbilt, Virginia and now Louisville have offered me."
CC: Any plans to visit Louisville and have you thought about when you'd like to make a decision?
Embiid: "I will visit Louisville but I don't know when. I'm not sure when I'll want to make a college decision."
Quote from: brewcity77 on September 08, 2012, 01:47:15 PM
Outside of Nunn, there is no one I want more in our 2013 class.
So... How hard do we pursue him now?
Quote from: CaptainAwesome on September 15, 2012, 08:00:42 PM
So... How hard do we pursue him now?
I guess we should all tweet him and tell him how much we love him.
Quote from: mr.MUskie on September 15, 2012, 08:53:57 PM
I guess we should all tweet him and tell him how much we love him.
And when the NCAA comes calling, we can say; "
But, Illinois did it"!
The NCAA is going to do nothing. And rightfully so.
In another thread, someone brought up the possibility that Schuyler Rimmer's decommitment from Florida was related to the recruitment of Joel Embiid. Evidently, it was.
http://www.gatorcountry.com/basketball_recruiting/article/rimmer_withdraws_florida_commitment/15100 (http://www.gatorcountry.com/basketball_recruiting/article/rimmer_withdraws_florida_commitment/15100)
Quote from: LittleMurs on September 25, 2012, 08:18:40 PM
In another thread, someone brought up the possibility that Schuyler Rimmer's decommitment from Florida was related to the recruitment of Joel Embiid. Evidently, it was.
http://www.gatorcountry.com/basketball_recruiting/article/rimmer_withdraws_florida_commitment/15100 (http://www.gatorcountry.com/basketball_recruiting/article/rimmer_withdraws_florida_commitment/15100)
Whelp, it was nice being in the running. Hope I eat these words.
Quote from: Jamailman on September 25, 2012, 09:26:54 PM
Whelp, it was nice being in the running. Hope I eat these words.
Rimmer decommited right after Embiid's visit, right? Yet still no commitment. If it was a done deal, he'd likely have announced his decision by now. It's mostly gut, but I don't think he'll end up at Florida. Not saying we'll get him, but I do think we still have a chance and will get a better sense once he starts taking his officials.
Imagine this board if that happened here.
Quote from: real chili 83 on September 26, 2012, 05:00:40 AM
Imagine this board if that happened here.
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Just so I understand this correctly, Florida is in position to sign three 7 foot centers in the same class? Wow.
People say there's shortage of big men. Must be those knockout Florida coeds in Gainesville, aina?
Quote from: esotericmindguy on September 26, 2012, 07:35:00 AM
Just so I understand this correctly, Florida is in position to sign three 7 foot centers in the same class? Wow.
No, you are wrong there, they have 6'1" guard and 6'9" forward committed
Evan Daniels just tweeted Buzz is watching him at The Rock.
Not sure where/what The Rock is, but Billy Donovan and a DePaul assistant were there too
Florida is absolutely loaded with talent for the next couple years, think Donovan gets his next back to back NCs?
Quote from: Blueprint on September 27, 2012, 04:13:32 PM
Florida is absolutely loaded with talent for the next couple years, think Donovan gets his next back to back NCs?
I don't think so
Quote from: LAZER on September 27, 2012, 04:06:16 PM
Evan Daniels just tweeted Buzz is watching him at The Rock.
Not sure where/what The Rock is, but Billy Donovan and a DePaul assistant were there too
The Rock School in Gainesville, FL
Quote from: Nukem2 on September 27, 2012, 04:24:21 PM
The Rock School in Gainesville, FL
Ah, I didn't realize he went to school in Gainesville. I don't know if i like MU's chances going up against Donovan for a big man that's from Gainesville.
Go get him Buzz and round this class out!!!
Quote from: LAZER on September 27, 2012, 04:35:29 PM
Ah, I didn't realize he went to school in Gainesville. I don't know if i like MU's chances going up against Donovan for a big man that's from Gainesville.
He's visited Florida, and I believe he was the recruit that described the atmosphere at a college football game as boring. He's also from Cameroon, so I doubt he'd have trouble leaving his current home for school since he's already an ocean away. I could be wrong, but I really think if he wanted to go to UF, he'd have committed already.
Here's a picture.
(http://cmsimg.courier-journal.com/apps/pbcsi.dll/bilde?Site=B2&Date=20120912&Category=SPORTS11&ArtNo=309120100&Ref=AR&MaxW=640&Border=0&Louisville-s-Rick-Pitino-has-his-eye-another-big-man-from-Africa)
I really want him. More importantly, with Gardner and Otule graduating in '14 (assuming Otule is granted a 6th year), we need to sign a center unless we want to start a freshman or forward at center in '15.
He's from Gainesville, but his "mentor" is Luc Richard Mbah a Moute and he has been to Milwaukee a number of times. Honestly I think UCLA is a bigger competitor for his services than UF, but if he wants to be close, Marquette is in as good a position as anyone.
I like our chances as long as the Bucks do not trade/cut Mbah.
Quote from: bilsu on September 28, 2012, 09:08:03 AM
I like our chances as long as the Bucks do not trade/cut Mbah.
I'm more worried about a Kentucky fan buying the Bucks and moving the team to Lexington.
Quote from: bilsu on September 28, 2012, 09:08:03 AM
I like our chances as long as the Bucks do not trade/cut Mbah.
Doubtful. Luc can guard 4 positions effectively and brings high energy that Skiles loves.
Joel is the final piece to the puzzle for a deep run in 2013 and 2014. Just think if we got him and Looney running our front court in 2014.
Yeah, and I got Kate Upton, Erin Andrews, Sophia Vergara, and Bar Rafaeli doin' a five-some as we type.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on September 28, 2012, 11:45:43 AM
Yeah, and I got Kate Upton, Erin Andrews, Sophia Vergara, and Bar Rafaeli doin' a five-some as we type.
Don't ruin the kid's dream! Imagine the Twitter blow up when none of those fine ladies appear...!
Quote from: 4everwarriors on September 28, 2012, 11:45:43 AM
Yeah, and I got Kate Upton, Erin Andrews, Sophia Vergara, and Bar Rafaeli doin' a five-some as we type.
You da man!
Quote from: 4everwarriors on September 28, 2012, 11:45:43 AM
Yeah, and I got Kate Upton, Erin Andrews, Sophia Vergara, and Bar Rafaeli doin' a five-some as we type.
Who's the fifth?
Make that 6, Murray. I added Marissa Miller.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on September 28, 2012, 11:45:43 AM
Yeah, and I got Kate Upton, Erin Andrews, Sophia Vergara, and Bar Rafaeli doin' a five-some as we type.
I'm glad you're all enjoying my seconds.
It looks like Florida may end up being the team to beat for Embiid. They offered him a grant-in-aid this summer.
Gator Country says that "Florida coach Billy Donovan and assistant coach John Pelphrey made the short trip over to Gainesville's The Rock on Thursday afternoon to watch 2013 center Joel Embiid."
The Gainesville Sun published an article on September 13 which made note of relationships Embiid has developed with UF players and players to be. His new school is the Rock school. The paper notes that "The Rock point guard Mitchell Wilbekin, the younger brother of Florida point guard Scottie Wilbekin, said the 6-foot-11 center is fun to be around." Also, "Last season at Montverde, Embiid lived in the dorms while playing with current UF freshman Michael Frazier and 2013 Florida commitment Kasey Hill." And, '"Michael Frazier, he's a really good friend of mine," Embiid said. "Kasey (Hill) has signed with Florida. I have many friends who are going there. I like coach Billy Donovan, he's a great coach. I heard he helped many big men to go to the league."'
Finally, a glimmer of hope? "Embiid said he plans to announce his commitment in early November. He's been to the O'Connell Center for UF games and took an unofficial visit to Marquette over the summer."
Here's the link: http://www.gainesville.com/article/20120913/ARTICLES/120919794/-1/entertainment?p=1&tc=pg (http://www.gainesville.com/article/20120913/ARTICLES/120919794/-1/entertainment?p=1&tc=pg)
Billy Donovan is meeting with Embiid for an in-home visit right now, per Embiid's Twitter account.
I hope we get one of the final visits. It would be nice to get him here for madness. He did take an unofficial here once already.
While I want to be optimistic, it looks like UF has got this locked down...
Quote from: GoldenZebra on September 30, 2012, 05:32:26 PM
While I want to be optimistic, it looks like UF has got this locked down...
To be fair, Buzz was in-home with him yesterday.
Must of been why me and my spies didn't seem him at the Dallas airport yesterday. ;D
FYI...had bad flight from dfw. Lost pressure. O2 masks came out. Emergency landing in tulsa. Electrical fire. Smoke in cabin. Glad to be back in scoopland ;D
Going to Milwaukee in 10 days on biz trip. Driving. Driving.
Real Chili. Mmmmmmm.
Glad you're ok.
Quote from: real chili 83 on September 30, 2012, 07:35:49 PM
Must of been why me and my spies didn't seem him at the Dallas airport yesterday. ;D
FYI...had bad flight from dfw. Lost pressure. O2 masks came out. Emergency landing in tulsa. Electrical fire. Smoke in cabin. Glad to be back in scoopland ;D
Going to Milwaukee in 10 days on biz trip. Driving. Driving.
Real Chili. Mmmmmmm.
Wow that is bad. Glad the flight got down ok. I'd be driving the next time also.
Quote from: GoldenZebra on September 30, 2012, 05:32:26 PM
While I want to be optimistic, it looks like UF has got this locked down...
Then why is he waiting until November to decide?
If we can get him to MM in 13 days, I give us even money.
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on September 30, 2012, 10:04:58 PM
Then why is he waiting until November to decide?
By that token, Kendrick Nunn is waiting until mid-October to decide. Players decide when they decide. But I still don't think it'll be UF. If he wanted UF, why hasn't he committed already?
Quote from: brewcity77 on September 30, 2012, 10:45:13 PM
By that token, Kendrick Nunn is waiting until mid-October to decide. Players decide when they decide. But I still don't think it'll be UF. If he wanted UF, why hasn't he committed already?
I agree, Nunn committed the day after his in home. Embiid had his in home with UF this past weekend. Everyday that goes by that he does not commit to UF, our odds go up.
Quote from: forgetful on September 30, 2012, 09:44:52 PM
Wow that is bad. Glad the flight got down ok. I'd be driving the next time also.
The odds of it happening twice are even smaller!
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on September 30, 2012, 10:04:58 PM
Then why is he waiting until November to decide?
If we can get him to MM in 13 days, I give us even money.
You placing or laying that bet? I'd take even money on that "if" all day long.... I'd be giving much less.
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on October 01, 2012, 06:27:43 AM
I agree, Nunn committed the day after his in home. Embiid had his in home with UF this past weekend. Everyday that goes by that he does not commit to UF, our odds go up.
Brew posted that Buzz had an in home with Embiid this weekend as well.
Quote from: mr.MUskie on October 01, 2012, 09:39:32 AM
Brew posted that Buzz had an in home with Embiid this weekend as well.
Yes he met with Donovan and Buzz both this past weekend. Since UF is the perceived front-runner, the longer he goes without committing, the better it is for us.
Side note: I seem to remember that Buzz and Donovan are buddies. Is that correct? I wonder if they met at a Starbucks at the airport as they were coming/going.
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on October 01, 2012, 12:42:00 PM
Yes he met with Donovan and Buzz both this past weekend. Since UF is the perceived front-runner, the longer he goes without committing, the better it is for us.
Side note: I seem to remember that Buzz and Donovan are buddies. Is that correct? I wonder if they met at a Starbucks at the airport as they were coming/going.
Donovan doesn't fly to Gainesville.
Embiid is one of a number of players talked about as the current cover story for ESPN recruiting. The story has a picture of Joel.
Quote from: LittleMurs on October 01, 2012, 04:56:05 PM
Embiid is one of a number of players talked about as the current cover story for ESPN recruiting. The story has a picture of Joel.
http://basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1416099
Here's a new writeup from Rivals.
He'll be visiting Texas this weekend and Kansas for their version of midnight madness. UCLA will be there until the end as well.
I get that Buzz is a great recruiter and Joel worked out in Milwaukee with Luc Richard Mbah a Moute, but at this point with all the big boys involved, it would be Buzz's greatest signing yet if he lands him.
UVA could be a sleeper here. Embiid has family in Virginia and the Cavs have done an excellent job of recruiting him to Charlottesville. I think Florida still has to be the team to beat because of proximity and how well they recruit the locals. Kansas has gone pretty strong on him and he likes their post play (at least he says he does). Louisville and Texas also going real strong on him and could get visits.
Pretty happy go lucky kid with lots of upside. I've had a couple of pretty high level college coaches tell me they think he will play in the NBA.
Eric Bossi
National Basketball Analyst
bossi@yahoo-inc.com
Quote from: dw3dw3dw3 on October 02, 2012, 08:29:52 AM
He'll be visiting Texas this weekend and Kansas for their version of midnight madness. UCLA will be there until the end as well.
I get that Buzz is a great recruiter and Joel worked out in Milwaukee with Luc Richard Mbah a Moute, but at this point with all the big boys involved, it would be Buzz's greatest signing yet if he lands him.
Luc Richard Mbah a Moute held a basketball camp in Cameroon where Embiid was discovered, and was instrumental in getting him to the United States, and probably with getting Embiid in touch with whoever trained him this summer in Milwaukee that's why he's called Embiid's mentor.
According to Dave Telep's article today in ESPN, he believes Embiid could finish the year as the top center in the country. That would mean a certain top-20 ranking and likely top-10. He also said that he may be a better prospect than either Brandon Ashley or Anthony Bennett, both of whom were consensus top-20 players. I have a feeling Joel Embiid may be the biggest prospect Buzz Williams has ever recruited.
Quote from: Dave TelepCenter Joel Embiid (Cameroon/The Rock) lost the final game of his junior season as his Montverde squad gave up 47 points in the final quarter and overtime in a heartbreaking loss to Findlay Prep at the National High School Invitational. Embiid, just months into his high school career, came off the bench and was tasked with slowing down the Brandon Ashley freight train. He couldn't as Ashley scored 25 points in the second half and fouled Embiid out of the game in what seemed like only a few possessions.
Montverde coach Kevin Boyle kept saying before the NHSI that Embiid was going to be good. However, at the time, the 6-foot-10 center appeared overmatched by Prep's frontcourt.
"Against Findlay, Brandon Ashley was good," Embiid said. "But if I played a game against him now, I would beat him. I was new. I didn't know how to guard the post. Now, I can guard centers or power forward."
In a short time, senior Joel Embiid has gone from a good volleyball player to one of the nation's best basketball recruits. Looking back on that day last March, no one would have predicted Embiid may have been the best big man prospect on the floor. UNLV's Anthony Bennett was there. Ashley was a monster and Embiid, well, he was a fawn in the woods. It just wasn't his time.
Now, in the fall of 2013, it's most definitely Embiid's time. The transformation from last March to October has been phenomenal. This is a 6-11 center with great length, fluid movement, natural shot-blocking instincts and an offensive game that is showing signs of life. Instead of panicking when double-teamed – something he did at times -- last season, Embiid consistently finds the open man. In actuality, last year there was hardly a need to double team him as he wasn't much of a factor due to his inexperience.
It's amazing to think that Embiid came to the States last October and played his first organized ball game in January. Back in Cameroon, he never watched a college game and NBA games came on at 2 a.m. "I touched the ball but I wasn't on teams or practicing or shooting," he said. "When I saw people play, I would take the ball and maybe shoot layups. I played soccer when I was young and I played volleyball for five years."
Embiid was tossed a basketball lifeline by fellow countryman and current NBA player Luc Richard Mbah a Moute. The Milwaukee Buck saw him at one of his camps in Africa and then got Embiid involved with Basketball Beyond Borders. Mbah a Moute attended Montverde himself where he played for current George Washington assistant Kevin Sutton.
Think about this for a second. The sum total of Embiid's experience includes two camps in Africa, being schooled by Ashley and half a season at Montverde. Based off what I saw last weekend, it's conceivable that this young man could finish the year as the best center prospect in the country.
The one thing fueling Embiid's ascension this year – outside of his immense talent – is his confidence. Although to obtain it, he had to leave one of the best high school coaches in the country. The prospects of having to battle for consistent minutes in a frontcourt alongside Dakari Johnson and Devin Williams made his decision a bit easier.
"I left Montverde because I wanted to play a lot," Embiid said. "If I stayed at Montverde, I was going to play but not like I'm going to play at The Rock. Everybody told me I needed game experience. Now I'm confident and I like walking out into the arena and playing."
Embiid's English, much like his post game, is a work in progress but you get the picture. He knew Montverde's frontcourt was crowded and he needed game reps to unlock his potential. So far, Embiid's been correct. He got better right before our eyes during the Nike Team Florida Fall Workout last Saturday.
The natural tools are there plus he's an intelligent, diligent young man surrounded by coaches and sound guidance. There's a path for success laid out for him. His job is to continue working (he is), get better (he has) and commit himself to learning every day (he will).
College coaches have taken notice.
According to his high school coach Justin Harden, Embiid will visit Texas this weekend. "He's been saying it's a top choice and Texas was holding out a (visit) date," Harden said. The following weekend, Embiid will be in Lawrence for Kansas' Midnight Madness. Virginia will be his third trip on Oct. 19-20.
Marquette and Florida are also in the mix. Trust me, every big time program in the country will call this week. This kid's father is 6-6, mom is 6-2 and there's no other way to read this situation: Embiid is on the cusp of becoming an elite prospect.
Potential is a dangerous word that should be used with caution. But with Embiid, it's applicable. He's a newbie. Just a pup in this basketball world. Soon, that pup will have a bark and then a bite and eventually he's going to be quite the player.
"I want to make the NBA like Luc did and help people," Embiid said. "If I do, I'll take care of them and my family."
Quote from: brewcity77 on October 02, 2012, 05:49:09 PM
According to Dave Telep's article today in ESPN, he believes Embiid could finish the year as the top center in the country. That would mean a certain top-20 ranking and likely top-10. He also said that he may be a better prospect than either Brandon Ashley or Anthony Bennett, both of whom were consensus top-20 players. I have a feeling Joel Embiid may be the biggest prospect Buzz Williams has ever recruited.
Mitch McGary?
Regardless, Embiid may be ranked in the top 10/20, but he likely doesn't belong there. Kind of like how McGary rose from the latter half of the top 100 to #3 last year and eventually settled down in the mid 20s.
Quote from: Pakuni on October 02, 2012, 06:07:23 PM
Mitch McGary?
Regardless, Embiid may be ranked in the top 10/20, but he likely doesn't belong there. Kind of like how McGary rose from the latter half of the top 100 to #3 last year and eventually settled down in the mid 20s.
Comparison may be apt, but the difference is Embiid just started playing the game. As Telep wrote, "
The sum total of Embiid's experience includes two camps in Africa, being schooled by Ashley and half a season at Montverde." McGary was hardly new to the game.
Either way, I'm pretty sure he'll finish a lot higher than the 75-150 range he's currently in. Also, I meant to say that if he landed him, he would be the biggest prospect for Buzz. Misspoke (typed?) there. I think he'd be a bigger get than Cadougan or Blue.
Quote from: brewcity77 on October 02, 2012, 05:49:09 PM
According to Dave Telep's article today in ESPN, he believes Embiid could finish the year as the top center in the country. That would mean a certain top-20 ranking and likely top-10. He also said that he may be a better prospect than either Brandon Ashley or Anthony Bennett, both of whom were consensus top-20 players. I have a feeling Joel Embiid may be the biggest prospect Buzz Williams has ever recruited.
Didn't we make Quincy Miller's final list?
Quote from: Bocephys on October 02, 2012, 06:32:53 PM
Didn't we make Quincy Miller's final list?
Final list, yes, but our hat wasn't on the podium. And as I said in the last post, I meant "if we land Embiid" he'd be Buzz's biggest get.
Quote from: dw3dw3dw3 on October 02, 2012, 08:29:52 AM
He'll be visiting Texas this weekend and Kansas for their version of midnight madness. UCLA will be there until the end as well.
I get that Buzz is a great recruiter and Joel worked out in Milwaukee with Luc Richard Mbah a Moute, but at this point with all the big boys involved, it would be Buzz's greatest signing yet if he lands him.
Too bad we couldn't get him there for our MM. Feels like a huge lost opportunity. Ya, i know, it's Kansas. But, ya, we're the WARRIORS!!!
MU's best shot is that Embiid wants Moute to be his mentor and that opportunity is in Milwaukee.
Hate to be negative... but that is our only chance. I'm sure UK will come calling at some point, I believe they have a track record with late blooming big men.
This would be the biggest Get in...Well since forever as far as ratings are concerned
Quote from: nyg on October 02, 2012, 07:55:59 PM
MU's best shot is that Embiid wants Moute to be his mentor and that opportunity is in Milwaukee.
Seems like a good reason and my guess is part of the reason why Buzz got a in-house meeting last weekend. So, discount this as some long shot reason as it might have gotten us this far already.
Quote from: KenoshaWarrior on October 02, 2012, 09:13:35 PM
This would be the biggest Get in...Well since forever as far as ratings are concerned
Burton, Wilson, Anderson, Williams, Blue...all ranked higher as far as ratings.
What would be nice is to recruit someone that looks like an actual, athletic center.
Quote from: LittleMurs on October 02, 2012, 09:48:33 AM
Luc Richard Mbah a Moute held a basketball camp in Cameroon where Embiid was discovered, and was instrumental in getting him to the United States, and probably with getting Embiid in touch with whoever trained him this summer in Milwaukee that's why he's called Embiid's mentor.
Is it that, or could it be because Wisconsin is home to the largest beef jerky producer in the world?
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on October 03, 2012, 07:51:02 AMBurton, Wilson, Anderson, Williams, Blue...all ranked higher as far as ratings.
I really don't think that'll still be the case come spring.
Correction, the largest jerk moved to Indiana almost 5 years ago.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on October 03, 2012, 11:09:34 AM
Correction, the largest jerk moved to Indiana almost 5 years ago.
Chico's moved to Indiana?
Quote from: KenoshaWarrior on October 02, 2012, 09:13:35 PM
This would be the biggest Get in...Well since forever as far as ratings are concerned
Bernard Toone ranked
number two in the country, I believe, in 1976.
In terms of pure talent, even if Embiid lives up to the hype, I not sure that you can rank him ahead of Jim Chones and maybe Lucas.
Quote from: LittleMurs on October 05, 2012, 12:15:27 PM
Bernard Toone ranked number two in the country, I believe, in 1976.
In terms of pure talent, even if Embiid lives up to the hype, I not sure that you can rank him ahead of Jim Chones and maybe Lucas.
Wade?
I think we can all safely agree that BT was overrated, or at the very least didn't perform to expectation.
I do not think BT was overrated but agree on under perform. One of my favorites from the day. Couple of big NCAA games made his career IMO. He really did have a ton of talent.
Quote from: dw3dw3dw3 on October 02, 2012, 08:11:46 PM
Hate to be negative... but that is our only chance. I'm sure UK will come calling at some point, I believe they have a track record with late blooming big men.
I wouldn't rush out to get that Emiid MU replica jersey.
Quote from: real chili 83 on September 30, 2012, 07:35:49 PM
Must of been why me and my spies didn't seem him at the Dallas airport yesterday. ;D
FYI...had bad flight from dfw. Lost pressure. O2 masks came out. Emergency landing in tulsa. Electrical fire. Smoke in cabin. Glad to be back in scoopland ;D
Going to Milwaukee in 10 days on biz trip. Driving. Driving.
Real Chili. Mmmmmmm.
Sorry for the off topic post.
Heard from Delta today. 15k free miles. I think I have some feedback for them.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on October 05, 2012, 12:28:57 PM
I think we can all safely agree that BT was overrated, or at the very least didn't perform to expectation.
BT was a head case. dude loved to party.
Quote from: martyconlonontherun on October 05, 2012, 12:25:22 PM
Wade?
Boo Wade? We missed on him.
When you look at the post I was responding to:
Quote from: KenoshaWarrior on October 02, 2012, 09:13:35 PM
This would be the biggest Get in...Well since forever as far as ratings are concerned
As far as I know, Toone was the highest rated recruit ever to enroll at Marquette, being ranked as the second highest recruit in his class. KenoshaWarrior was talking about ratings.
In my post:
Quote from: LittleMurs on October 05, 2012, 12:15:27 PM
Bernard Toone ranked number two in the country, I believe, in 1976.
In terms of pure talent, even if Embiid lives up to the hype, I not sure that you can rank him ahead of Jim Chones and maybe Lucas.
When I started comparing Embiid to other players in terms of talent, I was trying to compare him to other players who played in the post for an apple to apples comparison.
I think Butch Lee and Dean Memminger were Top 5 in there year! Butch might have been #1 guard that year and Dean was 3 time All-State player in New York
City, I think he was first ever to do that.
Great news, Embiid has dropped his list to five!!!
Florida, Texas, Kansas, Marquette and Virginia.
Texas got his first visit, Kansas will have him for midnight madness next weekend, then he goes to Virginia on the weekend of the 19th. I don't know in which order his Florida and Marquette visits will be, but I like being one of the last two visits.
According to an article on SB Nation's Virginia website, they aren't too confident.
"I'd say Virginia is a long-shot at this point, but if Tony Bennett can wow him when Embiid comes to Charlottesville, anything's possible."
Virginia seems to be only able to sign one more recruit, and they seem to think that the most likely one that they'll get is Schuyler Rimmer, the recent Florida decommit.
So long, Louisville!!!! UCLA, we hardly knew ya!!!!
Is he definitely going to visit us, now that we know we're on his final five list? I know he was here for an unofficial visit over the summer...
No idea about visits. He has been here and to UF, so he may not need to make those trips.
Also just saw McKay tweet at Embiid to come join him at Marquette to make a Final Four run together. If we can get this kid out recruiting class would be ridiculous.
Quote from: brewcity77 on October 06, 2012, 10:20:07 PM
No idea about visits. He has been here and to UF, so he may not need to make those trips.
Also just saw McKay tweet at Embiid to come join him at Marquette to make a Final Four run together. If we can get this kid out recruiting class would be ridiculous.
Is there some connection between McKay and Embiid?
Quote from: brewcity77 on October 06, 2012, 10:20:07 PM
Also just saw McKay tweet at Embiid to come join him at Marquette to make a Final Four run together.
Can you post the tweet?
If he makes it through thos eother visits without commiting, I like our chances. What a great opportunity for Marqeutte, and a great one for Embiid too as McKay could be right - they could make a very very strong run deep into the tourney together. Go Marquette!
How does Marquette have room for him? Does every school over recruit like this? I'm not a fan.
Quote from: Wade for President on October 07, 2012, 07:31:17 AM
Can you post the tweet?
Sure :)
@ShowTime_McKay: @jojo_embiid come join us at Marquette lets make this final 4 run together!
Quote from: esotericmindguy on October 07, 2012, 08:02:24 AM
How does Marquette have room for him? Does every school over recruit like this? I'm not a fan.
Name one time MU has not had at least one extra scholarship open up (expectedly or unexpectedly) after the season in the last decade plus. Yet you'd rather see Buzz pass on an elite rising 7' talent so that the uppity rubes over at the UW board won't give you any sh*t about oversigning? Give me a break. Go back to your fainting couch.
Quote from: Jamailman on October 07, 2012, 08:47:32 AM
Name one time MU has not had at least one extra scholarship open up (expectedly or unexpectedly) after the season in the last decade plus. Yet you'd rather see Buzz pass on an elite rising 7' talent so that the uppity rubes over at the UW board won't give you any sh*t about oversigning? Give me a break. Go back to your fainting couch.
+ 1
Quote from: Jamailman on October 07, 2012, 08:47:32 AM
Name one time MU has not had at least one extra scholarship open up (expectedly or unexpectedly) after the season in the last decade plus. Yet you'd rather see Buzz pass on an elite rising 7' talent so that the uppity rubes over at the UW board won't give you any sh*t about oversigning? Give me a break. Go back to your fainting couch.
Lot of anger Jamilman. Roseboro, Barro, Newbill, Durley and soon Dawson if he commits. Not saying he should pass spaz, just don't offer a scholarship to Dawson until you're sure you can't get Embiid. Not sure how you can argue that it's the right thing to do.
Maybe that's just how it is, but doesn't mean I have to like it.
Quote from: esotericmindguy on October 07, 2012, 09:20:00 AM
Lot of anger Jamilman. Roseboro, Barro, Newbill, Durley and soon Dawson if he commits. Not saying he should pass spaz, just don't offer a scholarship to Dawson until you're sure you can't get Embiid. Not sure how you can argue that it's the right thing to do.
Otule isn't official for next year. That's how.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on October 07, 2012, 10:01:52 AM
Otule isn't official for next year. That's how.
That's what I thought. What if he would, for some reason, not be granted that additional year?
Further... perhaps it is time for Buzz to get another big in-house and not even go after a 6th year for Otule. I have no objections to the pursuit of Embiid.
No one likes oversigning but so what, there are alot of players next year that one can leave:
Otule maybe does not want to be at MU for 6 years
Blue I am sure wants to move out and up, he might be dreaming
Wilson will be in school for 5 years maybe he wants to move on
Then there is kids like Burton, does have the grades to get in going to a MPS school, might be
the same case for Duane Wilson
Or maybe Mckay does not get through JC
Jamal Ferguson does not see PT time as quickly as he thought
Derrick Wilson may have the same issue
So that is 8 players, can you see why you keep recruiting?
If we sign both Embiid and Jajuan Johnson I would buy final four tickets for next year right now.
Quote from: TrueBlueAndGold on October 06, 2012, 10:04:04 PM
Is he definitely going to visit us, now that we know we're on his final five list? I know he was here for an unofficial visit over the summer...
I don't know. I assumed that when he cut his list to five, he did it to setup his five visits.
Another possibility is someone can pay tuition for one year. Happens at Louisville all the time.
Quote from: 94Warrior on October 07, 2012, 03:56:37 PM
Another possibility is someone can pay tuition for one year. Happens at Louisville all the time.
Unfortunately we don't have a surgeon for a player's father like Louisville did.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on October 07, 2012, 04:08:31 PM
Unfortunately we don't have a surgeon for a player's father like Louisville did.
Or JR Smith's younger brother.
Quote from: PTM on October 07, 2012, 04:32:32 PM
Or JR Smith's younger brother.
We do have OJ Mayo's younger brother, however...
I forgot I was up to 8 players that might have a change of address after this year, add a 9th, Mayo!
Quote from: TrueBlueAndGold on October 07, 2012, 04:56:50 PM
We do have OJ Mayo's younger brother, however...
OJ Mayo isn't used to the idea of a free college education, he's under the assumption that you get paid to attend school.
Quote from: CaptainAwesome on October 07, 2012, 10:06:21 AM
That's what I thought. What if he would, for some reason, not be granted that additional year?
Further... perhaps it is time for Buzz to get another big in-house and not even go after a 6th year for Otule. I have no objections to the pursuit of Embiid.
Otule has to make it through this season healthy to even consider coming back. He has been hurt 3 out of 4 seasons so the odds are against him. When you bring in Burton, Wilson, McKay and Dawson I would not be surprsied if a current player decides to go where there is playing time. There also is a chance that Wilson, Blue or Mayo declare for the draft. Now I said a chance, I did not say it would be smart for any of them to do that. I am sure McKay would love to have Embiid sign, otherwise Mckay will end up playing center as a senior.
Quote from: real chili 83 on October 05, 2012, 03:59:56 PM
Sorry for the off topic post.
Heard from Delta today. 15k free miles. I think I have some feedback for them.
15K - It's all about the points.
I forgot a 10th player, Juan Anderson, as you can tell, almost the whole team could be leaving for one reason or another, Juan reason, maybe not good enough to get playing
time. Lots of options for recruiting 2 over the limit.
Quote from: BCHoopster on October 08, 2012, 10:15:54 PM
I forgot a 10th player, Juan Anderson, as you can tell, almost the whole team could be leaving for one reason or another, Juan reason, maybe not good enough to get playing
time. Lots of options for recruiting 2 over the limit.
Juan good reason to recruit over the limit is enough for me.
sounds like Embiid will be one to watch at Kansas, saw this quote on another site
QuoteMike DeCourcy saw KU practice and said some rather startling things about freshman center Joel Embiid: "He owns physical gifts that call to mind Hakeem Olajuwon and basketball skills reminiscent of Tim Duncan. Embiid has great feet, jumps well, handles the ball like a skilled forward and fires perimeter jumpers with comfort and ease."
Quote from: Red Stripe on October 11, 2013, 08:31:53 AM
sounds like Embiid will be one to watch at Kansas, saw this quote on another site
Quote
Mike DeCourcy saw KU practice and said some rather startling things about freshman center Joel Embiid: "He owns physical gifts that call to mind Hakeem Olajuwon and basketball skills reminiscent of Tim Duncan. Embiid has great feet, jumps well, handles the ball like a skilled forward and fires perimeter jumpers with comfort and ease."
To be fair, I also fire perimeter jumpers with comfort and ease.
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on October 11, 2013, 08:38:46 AM
To be fair, I also fire perimeter jumpers with comfort and ease.
Fair point, but Embiid also makes those shots. I've heard talk he could contend with Wiggins for the #1 overall spot in next year's draft. Can't begin to say how upset I get remembering that recruiting process.
From project center to one and done in less than 12 months. I can't remember such a huge rise for another player. At least we won't be watching him (and Wiggins) for more than a year.
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on October 11, 2013, 08:38:46 AM
To be fair, I also fire perimeter jumpers with comfort and ease.
Is that "comfort and ease" for you or the defense? :D
Quote from: LittleMurs on October 11, 2013, 10:29:25 AM
From project center to one and done in less than 12 months. I can't remember such a huge rise for another player. At least we won't be watching him (and Wiggins) for more than a year.
Let's not get too carried away based on DeCourcy's comments just yet... we haven't seen Embiid play in actual NCAA competition yet, let alone NBA competition. And even if he turns into a phenom at this level, let's not forget the lesson of Mr. Hasheem Thabeet.
Turns out I'm probably a moron. (see thread for context) :-[
Quote from: Guns n Ammo on November 08, 2012, 08:00:00 AM
I'll take a piece of that action.
The kid is good, but the odds of a player leaving after 2 years is EXTREMELY slim.
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=34130.msg416599#msg416599
Quote from: Guns n Ammo on October 11, 2013, 10:56:28 AM
Turns out I'm probably a moron. (see thread for context) :-[
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=34130.msg416599#msg416599
It takes a big man to admit he was likely wrong. But I would like to say I hope the mustache stays. Don't shave it Amo!
Still kills me to think what this already awesome 2013 class would be like with Embiid.... bad dreams man.... baaaaad dreams
And we care about Joel, why?
Quote from: LittleMurs on October 11, 2013, 10:29:25 AM
From project center to one and done in less than 12 months. I can't remember such a huge rise for another player. At least we won't be watching him (and Wiggins) for more than a year.
Impressive job of Self developing JoJo so well.
PS - Anthony Davis, Myles Turner are some other recent tall guys that rose quickly
Quote from: LittleMurs on October 11, 2013, 10:30:52 AM
Is that "comfort and ease" for you or the defense? :D
Me. For some reason, the defense always leaves me open.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on October 11, 2013, 11:23:40 AM
And we care about Joel, why?
And we care about Tanned Tommy, why?
Murray, truth be told, we all shouldn't give a fook about any of this trivial bullshiit, hey?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on October 11, 2013, 12:13:54 PM
Murray, truth be told, we all shouldn't give a fook about any of this trivial bullshiit, hey?
Doc, don't you go all mushy on me now - there's a time for Kierkegaard, but not during basketball season - and tonight it begins!
Quote from: Jay Bee on October 11, 2013, 11:28:35 AM
PS - Anthony Davis, Myles Turner are some other recent tall guys that rose quickly
+1
Both of those two came to mind for me as well. Also, all three were guys MU was in on.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on October 11, 2013, 11:23:40 AM
And we care about Joel, why?
Because we'll be playing them in the Final Four.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on October 11, 2013, 12:13:54 PM
Murray, truth be told, we all shouldn't give a fook about any of this trivial bullshiit, hey?
Amen