I can only imagine that Maymon would have enjoyed playing with his HS teammate and trying to build a great team at Marquette. Unfortunately, he made to the choice to go to a Tenn team that is having the same growing pains as MU and possibly worse problems...
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/boxscore?gameId=303652633 (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/boxscore?gameId=303652633)
5 rebounds in 7 min. Not bad
Whatever. As soon as they start using him the right way they will be #1. They're not running the offense how they are supposed to, don't you effin get it?!
I'd still take Tennessee's non-conference results over our own. Pearl scheduled a brutal non-con for them, They have 6 top 100 wins and one top 5 on the road. Sure, four losses, but three of them are to top 100 teams. I'd certainly take two really good wins ('Nova, Pitt) at this point. Three of their losses are to top 100 teams at home and the other is a road loss to a top 200.
They may be having growing pains, but in terms of resume, they certainly aren't worse off than we are.
Tim Maymom said we would not win again. He was half right, it is tenn that looks destine to lose, especially when Pearl is still to be suspended and they lose at home to CoC by double digits.
Maymon and Mbakwe should have stuck around - can you imagine...
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on December 31, 2010, 08:30:17 PM
Tim Maymom said we would not win again. He was half right, it is tenn that looks destine to lose, especially when Pearl is still to be suspended and they lose at home to CoC by double digits.
Can you imagine any coaching staff buying into Tim Maymon and signing his kid....oh wait.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on December 31, 2010, 08:37:13 PM
Can you imagine any coaching staff buying into Tim Maymon and signing his kid....oh wait.
Lame.
Maymon once made 100 straight half court shots...with his mind.
key to that stat was the 7 minutes. They were No. 7 in the country with all those big wins BEFORE he was activitated. He took the court, is averaging 4 points a game just like he did at MU, and was dumped from the starting line-up.
On the one hand you don't want to wish against a kids success, but if he was out there scoring double figures it might make other kids on the team think maybe there was something to his complaints and Buzz really was holding him down somehow. If this continues, i believe it's going to be hard for any current player or recruit to believe that.
And I certainly don't mind Pearl getting discredited before he tries to use his MKE connections to steal another player. That interview on ESPN today was BRUTAL - basically said a lot of people are watching this assuming you are a liar and a cheat.
Everybody needs to stop point blankin... wait, wrong recruit.
Quote from: brewcity77 on December 31, 2010, 08:28:33 PM
I'd still take Tennessee's non-conference results over our own. Pearl scheduled a brutal non-con for them, They have 6 top 100 wins and one top 5 on the road. Sure, four losses, but three of them are to top 100 teams. I'd certainly take two really good wins ('Nova, Pitt) at this point. Three of their losses are to top 100 teams at home and the other is a road loss to a top 200.
They may be having growing pains, but in terms of resume, they certainly aren't worse off than we are.
All sounds nice, but would you take Pearl's pathetic face crying his eyes out on ESPN about being a liar? If that is the price of that non-conference success...no thanks. I am much happier with our candid coach and situtation.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on December 31, 2010, 08:37:13 PM
Can you imagine any coaching staff buying into Tim Maymon and signing his kid....oh wait.
This is a perfect example of why certain posters on this board can't stand you. You are a fan of the team yet you continually take these snide, holier-than-thou potshots at the team. Why is this? Are you keeping it real for the rest of us? If so, please stop. After 9,000 plus posts I think we all get it. Thanks
So here is one for the the stats, modeling gurus. If we had a hypothetical game of Marquette transfers versus Marquettes current players, who would win?
Transfer team
PG = ty taylor (does he count her?)
SG = scotty C
SF = Maymon
PF = Mbakwe
C = M. Clark (does he count?)
Bench
Newbill
Nick williams (does he count?)
Smith
Roseboro
Hazell
Mbao
McMorrow (does he count)
Who am I missing?
Current team takes this team easily.
Maymon is sure getting the playing time at Tenn. :D :D :D
Quote from: brewcity77 on December 31, 2010, 08:28:33 PM
I'd still take Tennessee's non-conference results over our own. Pearl scheduled a brutal non-con for them, They have 6 top 100 wins and one top 5 on the road. Sure, four losses, but three of them are to top 100 teams. I'd certainly take two really good wins ('Nova, Pitt) at this point. Three of their losses are to top 100 teams at home and the other is a road loss to a top 200.
They may be having growing pains, but in terms of resume, they certainly aren't worse off than we are.
Completely and totally wrong ....
Their last six games (since Maymom was activated) they are 2 and 4
Tue, Dec 14 vs Oakland
L 89-82
Fri, Dec 17 @ Charlotte
L 49-48
Tue, Dec 21 vs USC
L 65-64
Thu, Dec 23 vs Belmont
W 66-65
Wed, Dec 29 vs Tennessee-Martin
W 68-62
Fri, Dec 31 Charleston
L 91-78
You cannot spin this any other way, this team, that was ranked as high as #7 three weeks ago, and is now unranked, is in chaos. Pearl is due to get suspended and they are about to start SEC play.
They are orders of magnitude worse than us. They are looking at a sub .500 SEC record and a marginal NIT bid unless they get their act together, and again, they get worse by the day ... they just lost to College of Charleston by 13 at home yesterday for crying out loud!
Quote from: brewcity77 on December 31, 2010, 08:28:33 PM
I'd still take Tennessee's non-conference results over our own. Pearl scheduled a brutal non-con for them, They have 6 top 100 wins and one top 5 on the road. Sure, four losses, but three of them are to top 100 teams. I'd certainly take two really good wins ('Nova, Pitt) at this point. Three of their losses are to top 100 teams at home and the other is a road loss to a top 200.
They may be having growing pains, but in terms of resume, they certainly aren't worse off than we are.
was this supposed to be in teal or a grinning happy face following?? so the next barometer is losing to a TOP one hundred team? you're right, it's not a bad preseason schedule, but barooss i believe was pencilling in W's as he made it. not only that, but his team is playing like ass. they're playing out of contriol like they don;t need a coach wee something. they might just fire pearl afterall, then tim can take over and lead them to the final four. hey, maybe that was timmmy's motive all along. transfer his sone to which ever team's coach is bound to get fired. then take over. as for not being any worse off than us?? i'll take our problems any day. tennessee is a team without a rudder and a bunch of playground hoopsters
Chicos,
You've officially lost me...not that you cared but I've avoided getting caught up in your antagonistic posts and not being a catalyst for the lenny, CD, and you debates but come on...give it a rest. The maymon comment? You know that Crean and about every other coach at Marquette took quite a few risks on a lot of kids. But somebody once suggested that these kids are kids, you know kids like Newbill, or Blankson, or Mason, etc. Picking and choosing which ones we want to turn into a martyr or a villian is a bit much. Like somebody else mentioned, we get your point. You liked Crean, so did I when he was here...now I'm supporting Buzz even though he's made some mistakes and I'm sure he'll continue to make mistakes but I'm an MU fan first and foremost so I support the program and it's personnel. I'm not saying you aren't a fan but can we get past the personal issues you seem to have with Buzz? I'm guessing no, but it's worth a post IMO.
Quote from: muarmy81 on January 01, 2011, 12:24:39 PM
Chicos,
You've officially lost me...not that you cared but I've avoided getting caught up in your antagonistic posts and not being a catalyst for the lenny, CD, and you debates but come on...give it a rest. The maymon comment? You know that Crean and about every other coach at Marquette took quite a few risks on a lot of kids. But somebody once suggested that these kids are kids, you know kids like Newbill, or Blankson, or Mason, etc. Picking and choosing which ones we want to turn into a martyr or a villian is a bit much. Like somebody else mentioned, we get your point. You liked Crean, so did I when he was here...now I'm supporting Buzz even though he's made some mistakes and I'm sure he'll continue to make mistakes but I'm an MU fan first and foremost so I support the program and it's personnel. I'm not saying you aren't a fan but can we get past the personal issues you seem to have with Buzz? I'm guessing no, but it's worth a post IMO.
There was a reason that Crean and Bo Ryan did not go after Maymon. A reason everyone in the state knew about. There was a reason why the top player in the state had offers were primarily limited to Green Bay, USC, Iowa State. I'm sure there is another one in there that I can't remember.
My issue with that recruitment is we lost a year + as a result. One, it prevented us from going after a kid that would be a sophomore and contributing right now. Two, it adds another high profile transfer to the list from MU. Three, it delays bringing in a replacement for more than a year which causes roster gaps further down the line.
We have to be careful and when there were so many red flags that the top two coaches in the state wanted nothing to do with this kid for a reason, we should have stayed away. It's unfortunate, but that's reality.
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on January 01, 2011, 07:05:09 AM
Transfer team
PG = ty taylor (does he count her?)
SG = scotty C
SF = Maymon
PF = Mbakwe
C = M. Clark (does he count?)
Bench
Newbill
Nick williams (does he count?)
Smith
Roseboro
Hazell
Mbao
McMorrow (does he count)
Who am I missing?
Current team takes this team easily.
I don't think medical related retirement from MU count, so Liam is off the hook, yes?
IDK. I met Tim Maymon's cousin watching the @UCONN game last season. He was very apologetic despite me making a negative comment about Tim before I knew they were related >_< anyhow. what can you do? sometimes you take risks and it doesn't pan out. I mean, anyone remember a little academic liability named Dwyane Wade per chance? shoot, i hope this doesn't make people go crazy, but it's not totally off.... right? of course maymon's issue was different... but who knows, maybe D Wade doesn't pull up his grades, transfers out and maybe never finds his potential???
Seriously, though, I watched that UT-CoC game thinking "WTF???" Can't stand BP; and what a screwed up club to play for right now w/ the scandal and all. I would be a sad panda if I were sitting on that bench. Ranked #7 indeed. Can you guys even imagine bedlam that would ensue on this board
if we ever lost at home by >20 points to a team like that??? I can't. I think I would barricade my computer so as to avoid the fire and brimstone spewing out of it .... I am so much happier as a Marquette fan every day of the week. Speaking of, and not to pat ourselves on the back, but have we come the closest of any opponent to beating Duke thus far? I am okay with that :)
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on December 31, 2010, 08:37:13 PM
Can you imagine any coaching staff buying into Tim Maymon and signing his kid....oh wait.
pathetic
Quote from: rugbydrummer on January 01, 2011, 11:32:35 PM
Ranked #7 indeed. Can you guys even imagine bedlam that would ensue on this board if we ever lost at home by >20 points to a team like that??? I can't.
Speaking of, and not to pat ourselves on the back, but have we come the closest of any opponent to beating Duke thus far? I am okay with that :)
To fall from #7 to unranked...
MUScoop's servers would crash due to the incessant bantering and bitching.
No doubt...I'd need to be on anti-hypertension meds if MU took a free fall like UT is doing right now...
Percussionist, maybe you're too young to remember a debacle in the NIT vs. Western Michigan?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on January 02, 2011, 06:34:46 AM
Percussionist, maybe you're too young to remember a debacle in the NIT vs. Western Michigan?
Certainly one of the lowest points in Marquette basketball history. I was in Iraq at the time, watching the game at the rec center (no alcohol.) I thought heading straight out the gates of Al Asad Air Base and letting the insurgents put me out of my misery....
Quote from: warthog-driver on January 02, 2011, 02:34:56 PM
Certainly one of the lowest points in Marquette basketball history. I was in Iraq at the time, watching the game at the rec center (no alcohol.) I thought heading straight out the gates of Al Asad Air Base and letting the insurgents put me out of my misery....
Oh the humanity
Quote from: warthog-driver on January 01, 2011, 11:54:12 PM
pathetic
Still waiting for you to answer the question from the other day....it's not ok for a kid to up and quit on the team (your words) but when a coach does it to a player (Newbill, Roseboro) you are silent. I expected less of a double standard, especially from you Colonel.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on January 02, 2011, 03:02:46 PM
Still waiting for you to answer the question from the other day....it's not ok for a kid to up and quit on the team (your words) but when a coach does it to a player (Newbill, Roseboro) you are silent. I expected less of a double standard, especially from you Colonel.
No double standard. Maymon and Smith quit on their team. We have no idea what happened with Newbill and Roseboro. Until I have some empiricism I cannot form any opinion. I weill say, that if Buzz Williams did not honor his word then i am beyond disappointment. In my world, a man's word is his bond. I give and expect nothing less in every way.
Quote from: warthog-driver on January 02, 2011, 03:07:08 PM
No double standard. Maymon and Smith quit on their team. We have no idea what happened with Newbill and Roseboro. Until I have some empiricism I cannot form any opinion. I weill say, that if Buzz Williams did not honor his word then i am beyond disappointment. In my world, a man's word is his bond. I give and expect nothing less in every way.
Well we have multiple sources saying he didn't honor his word, the Newbill family, Newbill and the Newbill coaches. Is that not good enough or do their words not count?
Their words are obviously biased. ;)
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on January 02, 2011, 03:08:59 PM
Well we have multiple sources saying he didn't honor his word, the Newbill family, Newbill and the Newbill coaches. Is that not good enough or do their words not count?
NLI is a contract. By definition one party cannot quit on the other. We have multiple conflicting sources - if you want to declare one a liar, go ahead and have your opinion.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on January 02, 2011, 03:02:46 PM
Still waiting for you to answer the question from the other day....it's not ok for a kid to up and quit on the team (your words) but when a coach does it to a player (Newbill, Roseboro) you are silent. I expected less of a double standard, especially from you Colonel.
Hell, the way your man crush shows for TC this type of thing (people walking out on committments) should make you proud.
Quote from: Jay Bee on January 02, 2011, 03:13:31 PM
NLI is a contract. By definition one party cannot quit on the other. We have multiple conflicting sources - if you want to declare one a liar, go ahead and have your opinion.
LOL. It's a contract in which one party has 100% of the power and that sure as hell isn't the student athlete.
Quote from: avid1010 on January 02, 2011, 03:32:55 PM
Hell, the way your man crush shows for TC this type of thing (people walking out on committments) should make you proud.
I'm not playing the role of colonel and having one standard for one party and another standard for another party. I'm just trying to understand how he reconciles the two, but it seems fairly clear.
My man crush is on Buzz, by the way. A much nicer person than TC, not even close. A better basketball coach and recruiter as well...I just hope he delivers the same results because as a better human being, better coach and better recruiter, it only makes sense that he would. Can't wait for the Final Four appearances in the coming years, it's going to be fun.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on January 02, 2011, 03:44:11 PM
LOL. It's a contract in which one party has 100% of the power and that sure as hell isn't the student athlete.
Absolutely untrue.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on January 02, 2011, 03:47:28 PM
I'm not playing the role of colonel and having one standard for one party and another standard for another party. I'm just trying to understand how he reconciles the two, but it seems fairly clear.
My man crush is on Buzz, by the way. A much nicer person than TC, not even close. A better basketball coach and recruiter as well...I just hope he delivers the same results because as a better human being, better coach and better recruiter, it only makes sense that he would. Can't wait for the Final Four appearances in the coming years, it's going to be fun.
To do that Buzz may have to recruit some squirmmy players (don't qualify out of high school), but if he's lucky enough to land that special player and make a run to the FF, we can then watch him lobby for another job and walk out on his players in a classless manner.
I think you're full of double standards.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on January 02, 2011, 03:47:28 PM
I'm not playing the role of colonel and having one standard for one party and another standard for another party. I'm just trying to understand how he reconciles the two, but it seems fairly clear.
My man crush is on Buzz, by the way. A much nicer person than TC, not even close. A better basketball coach and recruiter as well...I just hope he delivers the same results because as a better human being, better coach and better recruiter, it only makes sense that he would. Can't wait for the Final Four appearances in the coming years, it's going to be fun.
When your boy does his accounting will this sarcastic post be somehow misconstrued as a "positive" one?
Quote from: warthog-driver on January 02, 2011, 02:34:56 PM
Certainly one of the lowest points in Marquette basketball history. I was in Iraq at the time, watching the game at the rec center (no alcohol.) I thought heading straight out the gates of Al Asad Air Base and letting the insurgents put me out of my misery....
Hmmmm, true that. I wasn't at that game, and don't think there was a good turn out. It didn't help Travis Diener was out injured, yes? So, certainly not a good showing.. but at that point in the season, well, there was a limit to much more success anyway.
Quote from: avid1010 on January 02, 2011, 04:30:08 PM
To do that Buzz may have to recruit some squirmmy players (don't qualify out of high school), but if he's lucky enough to land that special player and make a run to the FF, we can then watch him lobby for another job and walk out on his players in a classless manner.
I think you're full of double standards.
Chicos double standards? How dare you. We all misconstrue his intent. He really can't stand Tom Crean, and loves Buzz Williams..but for whatever reasons 90% of Scoop posters just aren't able to understand this.
Quote from: Jay Bee on January 02, 2011, 04:05:15 PM
Absolutely untrue.
Explain to me the power that the student athlete has with the NLI vs the school.
It's a one sided contract. Always has been.
I'll happily provide a few starters for you on the other side of the ledger
1) Once you sign a NLI you cannot go to any other school unless the SCHOOL releases you. You are stuck
2) In conferences like the Big East, the athlete can no longer play at any other Big East school after signing a NLI
3) If the school that signed you to a NLI wishes to act in a manner that isn't above reproach, they can the student athlete they will never play a single second or worse, will be put in for a few minutes to burn up a year of their scholarship unless the student athlete quits and demands a release from their NLI
4) If the coach leaves after they signed the NLI, too bad, the player is stuck unless the SCHOOL releases the athlete.
That's just for starters
http://www.moneyplayersblog.com/blog/2010/11/the-nli-sucks.html
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/seth_davis/11/13/national.letter/
http://www.cbssports.com/b/page/pressbox/0,1328,4514960,00.html
http://www.sportingnews.com/ncaa-basketball/story/2009-10-01/ncaa-says-no-conditions-allowed-on-letters-intent
http://basketball.about.com/b/2010/11/10/letter-of-intent-still-a-bad-deal.htm
Quote from: Lennys Tap on January 02, 2011, 06:30:26 PM
When your boy does his accounting will this sarcastic post be somehow misconstrued as a "positive" one?
He's not my "boy". He volunteered for it. Never met the person but he's a poster on this board. He disagrees with me on a number of things and agrees on a number of others.
Would it be a positive one, I think he's already reviewed 250 to 500 posts up to a certain date so I doubt the last few days are even included. For the sake of argument, it wouldn't be a negative one....I'm dead serious. I like Buzz more than TC. I think Buzz is a better coach than TC (I think TC does a better job scouting, preparing teams, but that's must my two cents). I think Buzz is a better recruiter than TC.
So what is negative about what I posted? I suspect you mean the very last line? Hmm, interesting. Well, yes, it was a bit sarcastic but I would suppose he would argue this post was neutral. In fact, I said three very nice things about Buzz and one sarcastic thing. The way your mind works, that's a negative post. The way reality works, it's not.
Quote from: rugbydrummer on January 02, 2011, 07:32:00 PM
Hmmmm, true that. I wasn't at that game, and don't think there was a good turn out. It didn't help Travis Diener was out injured, yes? So, certainly not a good showing.. but at that point in the season, well, there was a limit to much more success anyway.
Teams were announced on Sunday night, game was played Monday night....less than 24 hours to sell tickets, scout a team, etc. The NIT is almost always like that for early games especially games played on less than 24 hours notice. Not surprised at the turnout in that situation at all.
Quote from: avid1010 on January 02, 2011, 04:30:08 PM
To do that Buzz may have to recruit some squirmmy players (don't qualify out of high school), but if he's lucky enough to land that special player and make a run to the FF, we can then watch him lobby for another job and walk out on his players in a classless manner.
I think you're full of double standards.
He would never do that, he's stated he will stay at Marquette as long as Marquette will have him. What TC did and how he did it, very poor on TC's part.
Quote from: Ners on January 02, 2011, 08:06:02 PM
Chicos double standards? How dare you. We all misconstrue his intent. He really can't stand Tom Crean, and loves Buzz Williams..but for whatever reasons 90% of Scoop posters just aren't able to understand this.
90%...is that like "vast majority"...you and Lenny trading notes again? What year did you graduate from MU again? LOL.
I've stated I dislike TC going back years Ners, but since you just joined a year and a half ago, I suppose you missed those threads. I'll say it again, I like Buzz Williams. I don't care for TC. That being said, I respect what TC accomplished at MU. I hope Buzz will be able to match that over 9 years, if he does, we're in for a treat.
Some crib notes for you, maybe you can bookmark them...just a few examples out of hundreds."I'm not a fan of MU basketball because I like the coach....
I don't like Tom Crean, never have. Now, I certainly defended him for many many many reasons....why, because he won, he didn't cheat, his guys graduated and he was competitive on a national stage. He got MU on a national stage and I was willing to trade off his dickness for that. In a heartbeat." April 2, 2008
"
Crean can be a SOB to work for" March 24, 2007
"Many people knew he (Crean) was
an ass and a salesman, but we liked the results" April 22, 2008
"I've called him
a douche, a dick, a dink and a jerk" April 3, 2008
Etc, etc, etc
Anytime this thread wants to return to the topic of Tenn and JMay, I'm fine with it.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on January 02, 2011, 03:44:11 PM
LOL. It's a contract in which one party has 100% of the power and that sure as hell isn't the student athlete.
If you have a problem with the national letter of intent and its provisions take it up with the NCAA, but whether it's fair or not has NOTHING to do with whether the Newbill camp's version of the events is true, false or somewhere in between. You CHOOSE to believe that everything they have said is true. And in doing so you CHOOSE to believe that what Buzz and MU said was false. I don't really give a crap who you believe but I am sick of you claiming moral superiority because of whom you picked.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on January 02, 2011, 08:48:02 PM
If you have a problem with the national letter of intent and its provisions take it up with the NCAA, but whether it's fair or not has NOTHING to do with whether the Newbill camp's version of the events is true, false or somewhere in between. You CHOOSE to believe that everything they have said is true. And in doing so you CHOOSE to believe that what Buzz and MU said was false. I don't really give a crap who you believe but I am sick of you claiming moral superiority because of whom you picked.
Right back at you, I'm sick of you assuming everything out of MU's camp is sacrosanct. Funny, it works both ways. Maybe you are one of those guys that whatever the gov't says, you believe. Whatever Prof Ph.D said, was gospel. Sorry, the Jesuit school I attended, Marquette University, taught me to take in ALL the facts and weigh them, not just the ones I wanted to believe in.
As far as the NLI goes, the fact of the matter is the NLI is a joke and one sided. Jay Bee says that's not the case and I think I provided plenty of evidence that shows it is. If he disagrees, he's free to refute that it's absolutely one sided against the athlete.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on January 02, 2011, 09:11:54 PM
Right back at you, I'm sick of you assuming everything out of MU's camp is sacrosanct. Funny, it works both ways. Maybe you are one of those guys that whatever the gov't says, you believe. Whatever Prof Ph.D said, was gospel. Sorry, the Jesuit school I attended, Marquette University, taught me to take in ALL the facts and weigh them, not just the ones I wanted to believe in.
As far as the NLI goes, the fact of the matter is the NLI is a joke and one sided. Jay Bee says that's not the case and I think I provided plenty of evidence that shows it is. If he disagrees, he's free to refute that it's absolutely one sided against the athlete.
You both need a timeout
Who ordered the Code Red?
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on January 02, 2011, 09:11:54 PM
Right back at you, I'm sick of you assuming everything out of MU's camp is sacrosanct. Funny, it works both ways. Maybe you are one of those guys that whatever the gov't says, you believe. Whatever Prof Ph.D said, was gospel. Sorry, the Jesuit school I attended, Marquette University, taught me to take in ALL the facts and weigh them, not just the ones I wanted to believe in.
I'll admit I don't know what the truth is. Neither do you. I'll further admit in he said/she said situations where the truth cannot be discerned I'm more likely to come down on the side of someone I like and trust over someone I don't know. You think that makes me a knob polisher, I think it makes me a good and loyal friend.
But again, please spare us this illusion that you weighed all the "facts" and came to some sort of a morally and intellectually superior conclusion. You immediately took and vigorously defended the side that reflected most poorly on Buzz strictly on hearsay. That's fine with me, everybody's entitled to their own opinion. But please cut the bs about how much you love the guy. With friends like you....
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on January 02, 2011, 09:11:54 PM
Sorry, the Jesuit school I attended, Marquette University, taught me to take in ALL the facts and weigh them, not just the ones I wanted to believe in.
Isn't this what I said? Fr Davitt taught me to believe in empiricism. You are such a hypocrite. Your wife must be Saint Monica!
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on January 02, 2011, 09:11:54 PM
As far as the NLI goes, the fact of the matter is the NLI is a joke and one sided. Jay Bee says that's not the case and I think I provided plenty of evidence that shows it is. If he disagrees, he's free to refute that it's absolutely one sided against the athlete.
I thought you were big into 'those pesky little details'... I would agree it is largely one sided, but continue to say what I initially did - it is not
100% one sided. In fact, it does in practice offer leverage to kids who sign it. That is one of the reasons many do recommend kids sign an NLI.
You can cite little blogs and articles with the opinion of people all day long - but, show me where a court has deemed the contract unconscionable.
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on January 02, 2011, 09:43:14 PM
Who ordered the Code Red?
Great timing PRN. Who ordered the Codd Red indeed.
We just did a skit at work two weeks ago for an upcoming awards show with a Tom Cruise impersonator, Evan Ferrante. Who ordered the Code Red was the spoof skit. What a blast...he's pretty good. I got to play Colonel Jessup which was a kick in the shorts. Two of my colleagues played in another one spoofing Oprah. Fun times.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFW2_s5J5LU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NmLDrDjLRrM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15ZeMB8pO8Q&feature=related
Who is this Maymon character you speak of? Really? 8-)
Quote from: Lennys Tap on January 02, 2011, 10:17:34 PM
I'll admit I don't know what the truth is. Neither do you. I'll further admit in he said/she said situations where the truth cannot be discerned I'm more likely to come down on the side of someone I like and trust over someone I don't know. You think that makes me a knob polisher, I think it makes me a good and loyal friend.
But again, please spare us this illusion that you weighed all the "facts" and came to some sort of a morally and intellectually superior conclusion. You immediately took and vigorously defended the side that reflected most poorly on Buzz strictly on hearsay. That's fine with me, everybody's entitled to their own opinion. But please cut the bs about how much you love the guy. With friends like you....
A good and loyal friend? You make it sound like you're chums with Buzz. Please. I agree, we don't know the entire truth. But instead of completely DISMISSING one version, or worse...calling them liars...I believe the truth is probably somewhere in between. The sad part is that you and a few others have COMPLETELY dismissed any version other than that from one source. Very open minded of you. You sure you're a MU guy...looks like Ners isn't, I'm beginning to wonder about you. It's classic watching you call MU84 Joanie Harbaugh which is really one of the lamest things I've ever seen. Perhaps people should start calling you, Ners, Jay Bee and the Colonel the same? You know, Corey, Addyson and Zera? No, actually I would say no, that would be a dick move but the four of you have no problem going in that direction...I'd add Canadian Dimes to the list too. Looking at his posts over the years ripping on Crean's kids and such....yes, you guys exude class, if only we could be like you.
And sorry, I do like Buzz a great deal. Just as I've said for years I don't care for TC...you continue to ignore this time and time and time again, too. It's funny, you're here saying you don't know the truth yet in the very next paragraph you pretend to know what is in someone's heart or how they feel about someone. Classic. Is the doctor in again? What's the hourly rate these days? In the meantime, don't ever tell me what's in my heart or who I care or don't care for. If you haven't figured it out yet, I don't care for you...I don't respect liars one bit. That one you don't have to figure out...as for Buzz, happen to like the young man quite a bit and hope he equals and surpasses what TC did...hell, I hope he surpasses what McGuire did.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on January 03, 2011, 01:33:13 AM
you guys exude class, if only we could be like you.
Who is this "we" you speak of?
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on January 03, 2011, 01:33:13 AM
If you haven't figured it out yet, I don't care for you...I don't respect liars one bit.
When you called me a co**sucker (among other things) I let it go - chalked it up to an angry, childish and an underdeveloped "sense of humor".
But even when I consider the source, I take being called a liar very personally. You owe me an apology.
I trust that your remark rises to the level of what our moderators consider insulting and that they'll address the subject with you.
Quote from: warthog-driver on January 02, 2011, 10:21:40 PM
Isn't this what I said? Fr Davitt taught me to believe in empiricism. You are such a hypocrite. Your wife must be Saint Monica!
Then Fr. Davitt didn't get through to you and a few others, since you only seem to want to acknowledge one side.
I sincerely doubt that Fr. Davitt's view of empiricism meant only to go by what was in the newspapers and published. What I was taught of empiricism was to rely on observations...ALL OBSERVATIONS, evidence, etc. Not just the ones I want to believe in. You had made a comment a week ago that since it wasn't in the paper (or something to that effect) that you could only go on the facts that were presented in some kind of official matter. Davitt would role role in his grave knowing that was the criteria you were using as empirical evidence.
My wife is wonderful, very happily married. It helps that she's open minded ...that's usually the key.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on January 03, 2011, 09:49:23 AM
When you called me a co**sucker (among other things) I let it go - chalked it up to an angry, childish and an underdeveloped "sense of humor".
But even when I consider the source, I take being called a liar very personally. You owe me an apology.
I trust that your remark rises to the level of what our moderators consider insulting and that they'll address the subject with you.
No, I don't owe you an apology and talk about the height of hypocrisy, you've been lying with your statements for months with this "vast majority" crap among several. You've been the one lying and hopefully this guy will publish the results any day now to show you. Then, we'll all be waiting for the apology....and I'll bet dollars to doughnuts it doesn't come from you.
And please, your name calling has been every bit as wonderful. I give what I get.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on January 03, 2011, 02:14:39 AM
Who is this "we" you speak of?
Of course, don't you know it's the "WE HATE BUZZ WILLIAMS CLUB BECAUSE WE SOMETIMES QUESTION TIMEOUTS, ROTATIONS, or WHETHER WE ACT ETHICALLY IN CUTTING PLAYERS"
You know, MU84, myself, Golden, etc, etc.
Mid-year transfer talks continue... Devoe Joseph at Minnesota thinking of bailing on Tubby and the team. Maybe we can do a Reggie-for-Devoe trade.
Wouldn't we only get him for second semester of next year and then his eligibility is up? If so that would be a poor pickup.
Quote from: National Champs on January 03, 2011, 03:00:42 PM
Wouldn't we only get him for second semester of next year and then his eligibility is up? If so that would be a poor pickup.
Send him down to New Orleans right now, then have him play in 2011-12 for the full year... wonder if that would work.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on January 02, 2011, 08:26:54 PM
Teams were announced on Sunday night, game was played Monday night....less than 24 hours to sell tickets, scout a team, etc. The NIT is almost always like that for early games especially games played on less than 24 hours notice. Not surprised at the turnout in that situation at all.
hence... bad turnout :) probably a student section not very excited for mu not being in the big kid tournament either doesn't help.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on January 03, 2011, 02:38:08 PM
My wife is wonderful, very happily married. It helps that she's open minded ...that's usually the key.
An open minded Commander in Chief - House is essential. Her mind is very open to pointing out my many flaws...
I feel like this thread needs a warthog haiku to lighten the mood ;)
Quote from: mugrad2006 on January 03, 2011, 04:30:51 PM
I feel like this thread needs a warthog haiku to lighten the mood ;)
hell hath no fury
like an angry bondsman scorned
empiricism?
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on January 03, 2011, 02:40:15 PM
No, I don't owe you an apology and talk about the height of hypocrisy, you've been lying with your statements for months with this "vast majority" crap among several. You've been the one lying and hopefully this guy will publish the results any day now to show you. Then, we'll all be waiting for the apology....and I'll bet dollars to doughnuts it doesn't come from you.
And please, your name calling has been every bit as wonderful. I give what I get.
Long time lurker on the boards, but man it is painful to read sometimes. You legit ruin every thread. It's rather sad.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on January 01, 2011, 12:29:08 PM
There was a reason that Crean and Bo Ryan did not go after Maymon. A reason everyone in the state knew about. There was a reason why the top player in the state had offers were primarily limited to Green Bay, USC, Iowa State. I'm sure there is another one in there that I can't remember.
My issue with that recruitment is we lost a year + as a result. One, it prevented us from going after a kid that would be a sophomore and contributing right now. Two, it adds another high profile transfer to the list from MU. Three, it delays bringing in a replacement for more than a year which causes roster gaps further down the line.
We have to be careful and when there were so many red flags that the top two coaches in the state wanted nothing to do with this kid for a reason, we should have stayed away. It's unfortunate, but that's reality.
My issue with that recruitment is we lost a year + as a result. One, it prevented us from going after a kid that would be a sophomore and contributing right now.
And the kid that we would have gotten is????
contributing right now
Are you sure? Since we took Roseboro that year, I guess that you're talking about someone, Buzz decided wasn't as promising as Brett.
Three, it delays bringing in a replacement for more than a year which causes roster gaps further down the line.
Unless, of course, you have quality Junior College recruiting connections and bring in say, a
Jae Crowder.
Finally and MOST IMPORTANTLY, without Maymon, do we get Vander?
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on January 03, 2011, 05:16:16 PM
Long time lurker on the boards, but man it is painful to read sometimes. You legit ruin every thread. It's rather sad.
Thanks, Ners.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on January 04, 2011, 10:36:59 PM
Thanks, Ners.
Incorrect, as far as I can tell, a new and legitimate user.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on January 04, 2011, 11:21:00 PM
Incorrect, as far as I can tell, a new and legitimate user.
Thank you Rocky...creating false accounts is way beyond my realm with regard to trying to prove a point.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on January 03, 2011, 02:41:41 PM
Of course, don't you know it's the "WE HATE BUZZ WILLIAMS CLUB BECAUSE WE SOMETIMES QUESTION TIMEOUTS, ROTATIONS, or WHETHER WE ACT ETHICALLY IN CUTTING PLAYERS"
You know, MU84, myself, Golden, etc, etc.
You forgot Willie.
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on January 03, 2011, 05:16:16 PM
Long time lurker on the boards, but man it is painful to read sometimes. You legit ruin every thread. It's rather sad.
I disagree. 90% of threads that get ruined by this constant fighting is because Ners takes an unprovoked shot at Chico's.
This is not the case here though
Chico's, as someone who believes your take:
I didn't like tom crean as a person but I'm glad he came to MU and think he was a good coach who's legacy shouldn't be reduced to our anger over the fact that he left. over their take (lenny, wartdrvr & Ners):
Tom crean went away. He is a traitor and shall never be forgiven. Anyone who recognizes anything other than the blackness in his heart shall feel my wrath.I've got to say, this one is your fault. The funny thing is that if you two met in a bar and no one brought up this site you'd probably just sit there and agree 99% of what the other one says.
For some reason people just have to view each other in extremes over the internet.*
*yes, i'm aware of the irony considering my summation of Ner's position.
Quote from: Ners on January 05, 2011, 08:20:54 AM
Thank you Rocky...creating false accounts is way beyond my realm with regard to trying to prove a point.
Phew...so there is a limit...I wasn't sure.
Happy New Year...honestly, I don't know what made you snap the last 48 hours considering the PM's you sent me last week which were generally pretty nice. Hope today and beyond are better days.
Go Marquette
Quote from: RawdogDX on January 05, 2011, 12:06:02 PM
I disagree. 90% of threads that get ruined by this constant fighting is because Ners takes an unprovoked shot at Chico's.
This is not the case here though
Chico's, as someone who believes your take:
I didn't like tom crean as a person but I'm glad he came to MU and think he was a good coach who's legacy shouldn't be reduced to our anger over the fact that he left.
over their take (lenny, wartdrvr & Ners):
Tom crean went away. He is a traitor and shall never be forgiven. Anyone who recognizes anything other than the blackness in his heart shall feel my wrath.
I've got to say, this one is your fault. The funny thing is that if you two met in a bar and no one brought up this site you'd probably just sit there and agree 99% of what the other one says.
For some reason people just have to view each other in extremes over the internet.*
*yes, i'm aware of the irony considering my summation of Ner's position.
Appreciate the feedback...you're probably right, we would agree on a number of things. I do take umbrage when people say I don't like Buzz. It's just a flat out lie. Just as when people say I love Crean....neither are correct assertions. I'm hard on Buzz but I'm hard on my kids and others, too, doesn't mean I don't love them, respect them, like them, etc.
http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/boxscore?gid=201101050580
Tennessee is up 72-43 against 21st ranked Memphis. Maymon has 10pts 3rebs :D
Both he and Black would look fine in a Warrior uniform. Beats anyone we currently have at the 4 or 5.
Memphis is a perfect example of recruits plus bad coaching means nothing.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on January 01, 2011, 12:29:08 PM
There was a reason that Crean and Bo Ryan did not go after Maymon. A reason everyone in the state knew about. There was a reason why the top player in the state had offers were primarily limited to Green Bay, USC, Iowa State. I'm sure there is another one in there that I can't remember.
My issue with that recruitment is we lost a year + as a result. One, it prevented us from going after a kid that would be a sophomore and contributing right now. Two, it adds another high profile transfer to the list from MU. Three, it delays bringing in a replacement for more than a year which causes roster gaps further down the line.
We have to be careful and when there were so many red flags that the top two coaches in the state wanted nothing to do with this kid for a reason, we should have stayed away. It's unfortunate, but that's reality.
nice job kreskin. i would love to see all your quotes telling us to lay off maymon
when we were recruiting him. didn't see you jumpin up and down waving the red flags when he was scoring at will in h.s. if you can show me all your warning signs as we were recruiting him, i'll apologise. until then chico, you're not even a monday a.m. q-back, maybe a saturday a.m. towel boy pickin up the soap
Quote from: wyzgy on January 06, 2011, 08:56:46 AM
nice job kreskin. i would love to see all your quotes telling us to lay off maymon
when we were recruiting him. didn't see you jumpin up and down waving the red flags when he was scoring at will in h.s. if you can show me all your warning signs as we were recruiting him, i'll apologise. until then chico, you're not even a monday a.m. q-back, maybe a saturday a.m. towel boy pickin up the soap
Recruiting Maymon landed us Blue. Whether you agree with that tactic is another debate. But that's why we recruited Maymon. I didn't like Maymon anyway. He looked lackadasical to me. He'd get a couple rebounds, but he didn't play with the energy of the other guys. I don't care that he's gone and I don't know why it's still being discussed.
Quote from: Ari Gold on January 05, 2011, 09:30:32 PM
http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/boxscore?gid=201101050580
Tennessee is up 72-43 against 21st ranked Memphis. Maymon has 10pts 3rebs :D
I'll bet he wasn't playing the 2, though. ;)
I wish he were still on our team, I expect him to become a quality big.
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on January 06, 2011, 08:59:14 AM
Recruiting Maymon landed us Blue. Whether you agree with that tactic is another debate. But that's why we recruited Maymon. I didn't like Maymon anyway. He looked lackadasical to me. He'd get a couple rebounds, but he didn't play with the energy of the other guys. I don't care that he's gone and I don't know why it's still being discussed.
I watched Maymon v. Memphis last night. He ran the floor, can really pass well (which he showed last year), and defends. He doesn't have much range and can't elevate, but he is ten times the player Gardner is right now. (Not saying that Gardner can't improve.)
I really wish it would have worked out. He'd play a major role on this team.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on January 06, 2011, 09:21:06 AM
I watched Maymon v. Memphis last night. He ran the floor, can really pass well (which he showed last year), and defends. He doesn't have much range and can't elevate, but he is ten times the player Gardner is right now. (Not saying that Gardner can't improve.)
I really wish it would have worked out. He'd play a major role on this team.
10x the player gardener is?? whoa, now that's gonna get some debate. probably should start a new topic-you first, but you better get ready for the fur to fly. as for sultans question of why this is still being talked about? because it's a great topic. good stuff comes out. you don't have to read any of it, or participate. just move on, nothingto see here.
I would argue Gardner has shown more instant offensive ability than Maymon did, especially playing inside where Maymon was. Maymon is a better defender at this point, but passing, I think Gardner is his equal. He has great vision, that pass to Crowder last night was a phenomenal example.
Quote from: wyzgy on January 06, 2011, 08:56:46 AM
nice job kreskin. i would love to see all your quotes telling us to lay off maymon
when we were recruiting him. didn't see you jumpin up and down waving the red flags when he was scoring at will in h.s. if you can show me all your warning signs as we were recruiting him, i'll apologise. until then chico, you're not even a monday a.m. q-back, maybe a saturday a.m. towel boy pickin up the soap
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=8905.msg74528#msg74528
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=9511.msg81924#msg81924
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=9242.msg78640#msg78640
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=9207.msg78327#msg78327
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=9364.msg80243#msg80243
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=9228.msg78432#msg78432
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=9207.msg78333#msg78333
Don't get me wrong, I was very excited when Buzz landed the kid because I was hopeful Buzz could make it work with the Maymons. Unfortunately his father (Tim) is such a cluster screw that it was not possible. There's a reason why Crean, Ryan, etc stayed far away from this kid and his family.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on January 06, 2011, 09:58:18 AM
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=8905.msg74528#msg74528
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=9511.msg81924#msg81924
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=9242.msg78640#msg78640
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=9207.msg78327#msg78327
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=9364.msg80243#msg80243
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=9228.msg78432#msg78432
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=9207.msg78333#msg78333
LOL... Yowza. wyzgy apology on the way....
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on January 06, 2011, 09:58:18 AM
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=8905.msg74528#msg74528
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=9511.msg81924#msg81924
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=9242.msg78640#msg78640
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=9207.msg78327#msg78327
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=9364.msg80243#msg80243
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=9228.msg78432#msg78432
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=9207.msg78333#msg78333
Don't get me wrong, I was very excited when Buzz landed the kid because I was hopeful Buzz could make it work with the Maymons. Unfortunately his father (Tim) is such a cluster screw that it was not possible. There's a reason why Crean, Ryan, etc stayed far away from this kid and his family.
dude, my apologies. not only do you keep good notes, but you also know where you left them-good for you, my bad-sorry. chico is now my idol-you smelled something before the noise. kinda like an sbd ;D
And to you sir, thank you for the apology. A man with nuts, don't always see that around here too often. There are a few others that have owed apologies, bet payments, etc that are still in absentia.
I don't understand why so much time is spent on a former player who quit on us. Maymon was a 6'6 big who could not play out front handling the ball. Gardner is 6'8-9" and will develop into a much better big for MU.