New development regarding Faust, and not really a good one.
http://twitter.com/jeffborzello/statuses/22836616802 (http://twitter.com/jeffborzello/statuses/22836616802)
Faust now has a top 6 instead of top 4, with Kansas and Memphis joining Oregon State, Florida State, Marquette, and Maryland.
Seems like Maryland remains a leader with Marquette in 2nd. Oregon St. and FSU seem unlikely. Memphis is dangerous because apparently Faust is close with 2010 Memphis recruit Will Barton, but it is possible that won't matter at all if Barton is a one-and-done (which he has said is his intention). Kansas could obviously be dangerous as well, especially if they put on the full court press (which could happen if they miss out on some of their higher guard priorities, such as Josiah Turner or Ben McLemore).
Faust has a list of 6, with a top 4. Borzello corrected that comment quickly.
But, it does appear Maryland and Marquette are probably the top 2.
At any rate, would love to see the young fella attend Marquette.
I do not see that as bad news, because it means he is not totally sold on Maryland.
Quote from: Jay Bee on September 04, 2010, 06:23:10 PM
Faust has a list of 6, with a top 4. Borzello corrected that comment quickly.
But, it does appear Maryland and Marquette are probably the top 2.
At any rate, would love to see the young fella attend Marquette.
You are right, the next day he linked an article that says the original 4 are still tops. Also says he has one official visit planned, to Memphis on Oct. 15. This one could take a while to play out, although there is no guarantee he makes it past the in-homes.
I think it has been talked about here before, but has Faust been on campus yet?
Meanwhile, I'd say for the next 24 hours, no news is good news regarding Quincy Miller. Heres hoping things remain quiet following his UL visit...
Quote from: MarkCharles on September 05, 2010, 02:35:42 PM
Meanwhile, I'd say for the next 24 hours, no news is good news regarding Quincy Miller. Heres hoping things remain quiet following his UL visit...
Couple comments about Miller from the UL board...
It seems Bello and Miller will delay their decision for a while and Josiah Turner didn't even show up.
Duke's Midnight Madness figures to be a star-studded affair as Rivers will be joined by Quincy Miller, the No. 5 player in the 2011 class according to Rivals, and Rodney Purvis, ESPN's No. 1 shooting guard in the 2013 class and No. 4 player overall, among others
Austin Rivers highlight reel courtesy of BallIsLife.c
Anyone hear who will be at MU's Midnight Madness this year?
Quote from: nyg on September 06, 2010, 08:41:30 AM
Anyone hear who will be at MU's Midnight Madness this year?
Our recruits, of course: Jamil Wilson and David Singleton.
http://maryland.247sports.com/Article/Nick-Faust-officially-visits-Maryland-this-weekend-1185
Don't know if you guys can read that but its a free article on the new 247 network. Just figured I'd post it since I know some of you were starved for info.
If you can't read the article heres the important quote. When asked of a possible commitment during his official to MD this weekend:
"I would say it's 50-50 [that I'll commit on Saturday]," said the 6-foot-5 Faust. "I'm really not sure if I'm going to make it or not."
If he makes it out of the weekend without committing MD fans officially start panicking big time.
Quote from: dmjt4160 on September 21, 2010, 10:51:12 PM
http://maryland.247sports.com/Article/Nick-Faust-officially-visits-Maryland-this-weekend-1185
Don't know if you guys can read that but its a free article on the new 247 network. Just figured I'd post it since I know some of you were starved for info.
If you can't read the article heres the important quote. When asked of a possible commitment during his official to MD this weekend:
"I would say it's 50-50 [that I'll commit on Saturday]," said the 6-foot-5 Faust. "I'm really not sure if I'm going to make it or not."
If he makes it out of the weekend without committing MD fans officially start panicking big time.
dmjt4160
If you are here...what is the feeling in MD on how the Faust visit went? Do you still feel that MD fans should be worried that they didn't get the commitment?? Do you still feel MD is the leader?
Quote from: nyg on September 06, 2010, 08:41:30 AM
Anyone hear who will be at MU's Midnight Madness this year?
Freeway
Coach Gary Williams CRIED during the visit? WTF? Way to pull out all the stops Gary......although if I'm Nick's dad I'm thinking, "this is the guy I want teaching my son how to be a man?". I could be way off base, but due to this and the fact that Nick hasn't committed to MD yet makes me think he is going elsewhere.
Similar to Vander, it sounds like there is alot of unnecessary pressure on Nick to committ to the "backyard" school. I think he wants to go away, but is getting pressured from the locals, which is causing him to do this "50/50" thing. I'm sure he would do fine at MD, but I think it would be best to get away.
Quote from: OhioGoldenEagle on September 27, 2010, 01:53:24 PM
Coach Gary Williams CRIED during the visit? WTF? Way to pull out all the stops Gary......although if I'm Nick's dad I'm thinking, "this is the guy I want teaching my son how to be a man?". I could be way off base, but due to this and the fact that Nick hasn't committed to MD yet makes me think he is going elsewhere.
I think our Coach Williams can outcry their Coach Williams. ;)
Quote from: downtown85 on September 27, 2010, 01:59:31 PM
I think our Coach Williams can outcry their Coach Williams. ;)
In an unprecedented move by a NCAA basketball recruit, Nick Faust called up Marquette coach Brent "Buzz" Williams and Maryland coach Gary Williams and demanded a "cry off". It is expected that the Williams who can shed the most tears will get Faust's immediate verbal commitment to play for their team.
MUScoop is investigating whether the use of onions to produce crying is an NCAA violation.
Maryland really has had a hard time in the ACC since Roy got to NC. MD and Duke were the class of the ACC for a while, but NC has really retaken a dominant position in the conference. Gary Williams did get a National Championship out of that time, so their fanbase can at least appreciate that.
Quote from: MarkCharles on September 27, 2010, 01:14:44 PM
dmjt4160
If you are here...what is the feeling in MD on how the Faust visit went? Do you still feel that MD fans should be worried that they didn't get the commitment?? Do you still feel MD is the leader?
That was probably a dumb statement by me. From all indications the visit went fine and nothing has changed. I think people have been waiting for so long they are starting to do the whole "if hes not done by ___" then I'm panicking even if there isn't a legitimate reason to. Couple posters brought up a good point that he might want to hold a little announcement thing at his school which would be better than committing right away on a visit. In an article today with his dad it was mentioned that they are tiring of the process and that a decision will be coming by the middle of October. Also that they weren't sure if they were going to take any more visits.
As for the whole Gary crying thing first he just got choked up when talking about Greivis Vasquez. Second Gary isn't always some stoic figure as hes cried in post game interviews a few times. And all I'll say is that it is literally impossible for people who don't follow the program to understand the Gary/Vasquez relationship. Those two went through an awful lot of sh1t together.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on September 27, 2010, 02:19:12 PM
In an unprecedented move by a NCAA basketball recruit, Nick Faust called up Marquette coach Brent "Buzz" Williams and Maryland coach Gary Williams and demanded a "cry off". It is expected that the Williams who can shed the most tears will get Faust's immediate verbal commitment to play for their team.
MUScoop is investigating whether the use of onions to produce crying is an NCAA violation.
Chicos has it on good authority that it is. Lenny disagrees. PRN says "show them the chicken hawk, that'll make em cry." 4never talks some 1970s jive, and ZFB tells a fart joke.
Quote from: ZiggysFryBoy on September 27, 2010, 05:03:35 PM
Chicos has it on good authority that it is. Lenny disagrees. PRN says "show them the chicken hawk, that'll make em cry." 4never talks some 1970s jive, and ZFB tells a fart joke.
Solid, my brother, very solid.
From a few minutes ago:
@Paul Biancardi
ESPNU 100 SG Nick Faust took an UN-OFFICAL visit to Maryland last weekend not an Offical Visit as reported. MD,Nova, FSU, Marquette,Oreg ST
Quote from: ZiggysFryBoy on September 27, 2010, 05:03:35 PM
Chicos has it on good authority that it is. Lenny disagrees. PRN says "show them the chicken hawk, that'll make em cry." 4never talks some 1970s jive, and ZFB tells a fart joke.
Only if the onions have been tampered with, otherwise it's ok.
Quote from: Jay Bee on September 27, 2010, 09:17:29 PM
From a few minutes ago:
@Paul Biancardi
ESPNU 100 SG Nick Faust took an UN-OFFICAL visit to Maryland last weekend not an Offical Visit as reported. MD,Nova, FSU, Marquette,Oreg ST
Can anyone explain to me what the difference between official and unofficial visits is?
Quote from: MarkCharles on September 27, 2010, 11:07:37 PM
Can anyone explain to me what the difference between official and unofficial visits is?
One is paid for by school, one is not. One is counted against your limited number of total capped visits, the other is not.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on September 27, 2010, 11:11:27 PM
One is paid for by school, one is not. One is counted against your limited number of total capped visits, the other is not.
Also worth noting... officials can't be taken until the kid starts his senior year of high school.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on September 27, 2010, 11:11:27 PM
One is paid for by school, one is not. One is counted against your limited number of total capped visits, the other is not.
Ok, thanks. But is there any difference in what the kids can do, contact with coaches/team etc.? I have a feeling this is just a technicality and you wouldn't be able to tell which was which if you didn't already know.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on September 27, 2010, 11:11:27 PM
One is paid for by school, one is not. One is counted against your limited number of total capped visits, the other is not.
ZFB wants to know which one is which?
Only when it comes to your old lady, bro.
Quote from: ZiggysFryBoy on September 28, 2010, 07:12:14 AM
Only when it comes to your old lady, bro.
Everyone's already taken their official with her. She's like a public school.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on September 27, 2010, 11:11:27 PM
One is paid for by school, one is not. One is counted against your limited number of total capped visits, the other is not.
How many official visits (capped) does MU bball have?
-just a question- how does the ncca determine official visits? per sport? per team? per # of scholarships available?
Quote from: APieperFan3 on September 28, 2010, 08:17:11 AM
How many official visits (capped) does MU bball have?
-just a question- how does the ncca determine official visits? per sport? per team? per # of scholarships available?
Annually, we have a maximum of 12 officials for basketball. That is specific to basketball (for example, when we have a football team again, there is a max of 56 [although you can also carryforward up to six unused visits for one year]... for baseball, 25)...
Just trying to think.. and maybe I'm blanking here, but I think we've only had 1 official visitor this year so far.
Also.. in basketball I believe that if your goofy DB head coach runs out of town in the middle of the night like a punk, your maximum is increased up to 15 for a year if the previous coach had already used 9 or more...
Quote from: Jay Bee on September 28, 2010, 10:41:59 AM
Annually, we have a maximum of 12 officials for basketball. That is specific to basketball (for example, when we have a football team again, there is a max of 56 [although you can also carryforward up to six unused visits for one year]... for baseball, 25)...
Just trying to think.. and maybe I'm blanking here, but I think we've only had 1 official visitor this year so far.
Also.. in basketball I believe that if your goofy DB head coach runs out of town in the middle of the night like a punk, your maximum is increased up to 15 for a year if the previous coach had already used 9 or more...
So when Majerus did this, we got 15 visits for Dukiet? And when KO did it, Mike Deane got 15? Didn't seem to help those guys. Fortunately, seems to have worked well for Buzz when TC did it.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on September 28, 2010, 11:45:52 AM
Also.. in basketball I believe that if your goofy DB head coach runs out of town in the middle of the night like a punk, your maximum is increased up to 15 for a year if the previous coach had already used 9 or more...
So when Majerus did this, we got 15 visits for Dukiet? And when KO did it, Mike Deane got 15? Didn't seem to help those guys. Fortunately, seems to have worked well for Buzz when TC did it.
Chicos, Jay Bees response was hilarious to everyone but you. Man, you are a FunSucker. Your defending of TC goes beyond anything reasonable.
Jay Bee- thanks for the response.
haha, Two more...
Does Women's Bball have the same maximum officials as Mens (15)?
How many visits does each recruit get? What if the recruit wanted to play football and basketball? could he essentially be allowed two official visits - one from the bball team and one from the football team?
(just in case i get recruited for mens/womens bball and football all at the same time ;D) haha
Thanks again.
Quote from: mu-rara on September 28, 2010, 11:54:02 AM
Chicos, Jay Bees response was hilarious to everyone but you. Man, you are a FunSucker. Your defending of TC goes beyond anything reasonable.
Careful ... your real first name could soon be "exposed" for all to see.
Assuming, that is, your real name isn't Mu Rara. Though it it were, that would be awesome. Well played, Mr. and Mrs. Rara.
No real news, but heres an article from a Maryland blog.
http://www.testudotimes.com/2010/9/27/1715938/24-hours-out-on-obryant-faust-visits-still-no-news (http://www.testudotimes.com/2010/9/27/1715938/24-hours-out-on-obryant-faust-visits-still-no-news)
One thing I'm glad about is that MU has a lot more options than MD. If we don't get Faust, we could get Anderson, either Harrison, etc. and it wouldn't be a huge dropoff.
It seems like if they get Faust, everything will be great. If not, mass panic. I'm not sure why MD wouldn't have just as many top100 wings strongly considering them as MU does. Maybe they actually do, but it sure seems like they're putting all their eggs in the Nick Faust basket.
On a side note, Nick Faust is very babyfaced and looks like he still has some growing/maturing to do physically. That makes me even more excited, as maybe he ends up a super-skilled 6'7 shooting guard, ala Evan Turner.
Quote from: MarkCharles on September 28, 2010, 01:55:47 PM
On a side note, Nick Faust is very babyfaced and looks like he still has some growing/maturing to do physically. That makes me even more excited, as maybe he ends up a super-skilled 6'7 shooting guard, ala Evan Turner.
Now there's wishful thinking....maybe we'll land a future 2nd overall pick in the NBA draft. I'm not saying its impossible, but, as Chris Carter would say: C'Mon Man
Good! I'm glad he went the football game, to see that half-empty stadium.
Quote from: Pakuni on September 28, 2010, 01:46:22 PM
Careful ... your real first name could soon be "exposed" for all to see.
Assuming, that is, your real name isn't Mu Rara. Though it it were, that would be awesome. Well played, Mr. and Mrs. Rara.
I don't think he can find me. My first name is actually the egyptian hieroglyphic for water, and my last is the Egyptian sun god, squared.
All this just to hide my identity from Chicos.
Quote from: mupanther on September 28, 2010, 02:36:00 PM
Good! I'm glad he went the football game, to see the student section filled with signs for him and loudly chanting his name a couple times.
fixed that up for you!
Quote from: mu-rara on September 28, 2010, 11:54:02 AM
Chicos, Jay Bees response was hilarious to everyone but you. Man, you are a FunSucker. Your defending of TC goes beyond anything reasonable.
I believe in the equal treatment of piling on...if it's so much fun to pile on one DB coach of ours that left, it should be triple the fun when three of them did it (or maybe 4.5 times the fun since Rick weighs as much as several human beings)
Quote from: mu-rara on September 28, 2010, 02:41:20 PM
I don't think he can find me. My first name is actually the egyptian hieroglyphic for water, and my last is the Egyptian sun god, squared.
All this just to hide my identity from Chicos.
(http://en.wikipedia.org/w/extensions/wikihiero/img/hiero_N35.png)
I wouldn't care or dream to know who you are. When people get personal, then I get personal back. When people send elicit emails, threatening emails, etc, etc....that takes things to whole new level and I will most certainly expose them. I'm not aware of you doing any such thing so I think you have nothing to worry about.
QuoteGood! I'm glad he went the football game, to see the student section filled with signs for him and loudly chanting his name a couple times.
Quote from: dmjt4160 on September 28, 2010, 02:46:00 PM
fixed that up for you!
Interesting. West Virginia self-reported some secondary violations for similar things...
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on September 28, 2010, 03:00:14 PM
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I wouldn't care or dream to know who you are. When people get personal, then I get personal back. When people send elicit emails, threatening emails, etc, etc....that takes things to whole new level and I will most certainly expose them. I'm not aware of you doing any such thing so I think you have nothing to worry about.
What happened? Did Chico post someone's name on here?
Quote from: TheRock on September 28, 2010, 02:03:20 PM
Now there's wishful thinking....maybe we'll land a future 2nd overall pick in the NBA draft. I'm not saying its impossible, but, as Chris Carter would say: C'Mon Man
I don't see how the comparison is off-base at all. Turner was actually rated lower as a hs senior than Faust is, and I see a lot of room for improvement in Faust's game. They are both highly skilled with diverse offensive games and long frames. Turner is 6'7, and I speculated that maybe Faust would grow from 6'5 to near Turner's height.
And I didn't say he'd be as good as Turner, just that Turner would be a good comparison. Now tell me again how thats such an off-base comparison? Just because Turner is really good?
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on September 28, 2010, 03:36:09 PM
What happened? Did Chico post someone's name on here?
Yup...Robert (aka Canadian Dimes). I sure did.
Quote from: APieperFan3 on September 28, 2010, 01:33:38 PM
Jay Bee- thanks for the response.
haha, Two more...
Does Women's Bball have the same maximum officials as Mens (15)?
How many visits does each recruit get? What if the recruit wanted to play football and basketball? could he essentially be allowed two official visits - one from the bball team and one from the football team?
(just in case i get recruited for mens/womens bball and football all at the same time ;D) haha
Thanks again.
There are certain exceptions and nuances throughout, but the general rule in basketball (both men's and women's) is a maximum of 12 official visits. That is from the institution's perspective.
An institution may only allow a recruit one official visit - so, if one were to be a bball and football player, they could only visit once.
In addition, the general rule is 56 visits for football, 12 for basketball and 25 for baseball... for two sports prospective student-athletes, from the institution's perspective, football trumps basketball and basketball trumps baseball.. that is, if a guy is a prospective football and basketball player.. and visits, that is going to count against the 56 for football... if a guy is going to play basketball and baseball, the visit will count against the 12 for basketball... and, baseball trumps all other sports.
Of course, these rules relate to official visits, which again cannot be taken prior to the start of a kid's senior year. So, if you're a tan DB jag that mostly goes after 14 and 15 year olds and who used to have a sociopath work for you, these rules are a moot point for the time being.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on September 28, 2010, 03:00:14 PM
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I wouldn't care or dream to know who you are. When people get personal, then I get personal back. When people send elicit emails, threatening emails, etc, etc....that takes things to whole new level and I will most certainly expose them. I'm not aware of you doing any such thing so I think you have nothing to worry about.
I won't pretend to know what kind of emails CD may have sent to you, or what the nature of his "getting personal" was, but if someone sends me threatening emails that I believe, I hardly think that using their first name on a message board is the answer. Honestly, it feels like more of the childish crap that seems to permeate this place from time to time. If a guy is honestly threatening you, take it to the proper authorities. Digging up his IP address, using his "name", all that just makes you look like a cross between an indignant child and a stalker, which really does very little to help your case and only furthers resentment
against you.
I think that most of the time, you get a bad rap on here, Chicos, and you seem to be a pretty decent guy. But stuff like this is the reason you get that kind of reputation and continued treatment from other posters. You bring it on yourself, then try to claim the moral high ground when someone calls you out for being just as petty as the people you say are wronging you.
I don't know, I haven't been around here that long, but I moderate another message board that is made up of mostly 13-20 years olds, and it absolutely baffles me that on this site of what mostly seems to be grown men all united by a common purpose (love of MU basketball) people are more petty and childish than those children could ever be. I honestly feel a bit sorry for the mods on this site and the crap they have to put up with.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on September 28, 2010, 03:00:14 PM
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I wouldn't care or dream to know who you are. When people get personal, then I get personal back. When people send elicit emails, threatening emails, etc, etc....that takes things to whole new level and I will most certainly expose them. I'm not aware of you doing any such thing so I think you have nothing to worry about.
I hope you are not this humorless in real life.
Brew...I didn't have to dig for his name, he had it right there on his profile in public for all to see. You want childish, you should see what some people have done on this board and the other board to certain people, including trying to get them fired. You think some of things I've done are wrong....hah, you should see the childish antics that some a_holes have tried to do against some posters. There are some real F'd up people that take things WAY WAY too far.
Rara...I'm filled with humor every day. There's no other way to get through life.
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Apparently down to Nova, FSU, Maryland.
Official visit to Nova this weekend, to Maryland on the 22nd and an announcement on ESPN Thursday October 28th.
http://terrapinstationmd.com/2010/10/11/faust-sets-visits-announcement-date/
Quote from: dmjt4160 on October 11, 2010, 10:02:32 PM
Apparently down to Nova, FSU, Maryland.
Official visit to Nova this weekend, to Maryland on the 22nd and an announcement on ESPN Thursday October 28th.
This comes from a MD website.
Hmmm.......goes from a Maryland just over Marquette recruitment for weeks to MU being dropped and Nova sneaking in just before he makes his decision.
Jay Wright is a god on the trail.
Hopefully Buzz can make a late push on a top recruit too.
Maybe Buzz said, " I got this kid from TX who is ready to commit. I'd rather take you, but I need to know right now." Look for Harrison to commit on Thursday.
Just speculating.
Not good. Not good at all. I really, really wanted Faust.
Jay Wright is a stud. He's doing the things for Villanova that I can only dream Buzz will do for Marquette.
FSU could be stealing another of my favorite MU targets, as much talk has them as the leader for Rodney Hood.
Quote from: Ruby on October 11, 2010, 11:00:16 PM
Maybe Buzz said, " I got this kid from TX who is ready to commit. I'd rather take you, but I need to know right now." Look for Harrison to commit on Thursday.
Just speculating.
ooohh....an interesting take, no matter how unlikely or likely
Quote from: dmjt4160 on October 11, 2010, 10:02:32 PM
Apparently down to Nova, FSU, Maryland.
Official visit to Nova this weekend, to Maryland on the 22nd and an announcement on ESPN Thursday October 28th.
http://terrapinstationmd.com/2010/10/11/faust-sets-visits-announcement-date/
Faust seems like a great kid and I wish him all the best, but since when does a 4 star recruit need to do a live tv announcement? I kind of understand guys like Austin Rivers doing it, as their decision has national implications and interest, but a guy like Faust only really draws interest from the schools involved in his recruitment.
By the way, thanks for all the info on this recruitment. I expect the same next time MU and MD are battling for a recruit!
MU has a solid 11 kids in 2011, if MU can get Shaw, that is enough, then you can take a project like
McDonald. Faust, Harrison or Hood would be great pick-ups but Shaw is the key player, a potential
solid power forward, that can get some PT time as a frosh, then probably see major minutes his
sophomore season.
It appears that they are dropping like flys from our list--also from the projected list of attendees at madness.
Hope this does not reflect on things to come.
Quote from: MarkCharles on October 11, 2010, 11:33:26 PM
Faust seems like a great kid and I wish him all the best, but since when does a 4 star recruit need to do a live tv announcement? I kind of understand guys like Austin Rivers doing it, as their decision has national implications and interest, but a guy like Faust only really draws interest from the schools involved in his recruitment.
By the way, thanks for all the info on this recruitment. I expect the same next time MU and MD are battling for a recruit!
Hah no problem and will do.
As for the announcement its simply becoming a really popular thing. ESPNU has a show dedicated to recruiting and it seems every week at least one kid is committing on that show so why not do it yourself and get your name out there. Faust actually really made a name for himself this summer and lots of fans have at least heard of him. Remember he did have offers/interest from UT, Kansas, Memphis, Arizona, Florida and others.
It was a little surprising to hear that he would do this on ESPN as hes always been a pretty reserved kid but if I was given the choice of committing at a random time with no media or going on national television to commit I think I'd choose the tv option. Like I said gives you a chance to throw your name out there and give the school your committing to a little exposure also.
Plus I'm sure the show is looking to bring on kids as much as possible to make their commitments as you know viewers are going to be WAY up especially in the MD area for that particular show.
Quote from: dmjt4160 on October 11, 2010, 10:02:32 PM
Apparently down to Nova, FSU, Maryland.
Official visit to Nova this weekend, to Maryland on the 22nd and an announcement on ESPN Thursday October 28th.
http://terrapinstationmd.com/2010/10/11/faust-sets-visits-announcement-date/
From the link you provided, all I took was that he's taking an official to both Villanova and MD. I didn't see where it said he eliminated Marquette? Or is that what you are hearing on the streets in Baltimore?
Quote from: The Golden Avalanche on October 11, 2010, 10:16:05 PM
Hmmm.......goes from a Maryland just over Marquette recruitment for weeks to MU being dropped and Nova sneaking in just before he makes his decision.
Jay Wright is a god on the trail.
Quote from: willie warrior on October 12, 2010, 06:25:31 AM
It appears that they are dropping like flys from our list--also from the projected list of attendees at madness.
Hope this does not reflect on things to come.
Perhaps MU landing Juan Anderson made Faust decide to not look at MU anymore - y'all do realize kids look at availability of playing time as a factor in making these decisions, right? Furthermore, nowhere in the article does it say Faust "dropped" MU from his list. Lastly, if you have concerns about this "reflecting on things to come," or Jay Wright being a "god" on the recruiting trail - just look at the complexion of the Marquette roster and ask yourself: Does Nova or Maryland have more talent assembled than does Buzz and MU? Did Buzz not BEAT Jay Wright last year in the Big East tourney? We can go back to recruiting 3-star talent as did our predecessor - other than his 1 kid per year that was a 4-star target that was considering us - and sign 3-star kids right away now. Buzz has us in on multiple top 100 talent and Top 50 kids this year. 3-stars now BEG to sign with MU, whereas in the past we had to recruit the hell out of them. I'm not worried about if this is a "reflection of what's to come."
Quote from: Ners on October 12, 2010, 08:26:41 AM
From the link you provided, all I took was that he's taking an official to both Villanova and MD. I didn't see where it said he eliminated Marquette? Or is that what you are hearing on the streets in Baltimore?
It was reported on our site in an interview with his dad that he was taking those two officials and that FSU was the only other team being considered. Not to be a dick but honestly it doesn't matter which other teams are listed as still under consideration. People who never ever talk in absolutes have been talking in absolutes about Faust for over a month now.
Quote from: BCHoopster on October 12, 2010, 12:26:09 AM
MU has a solid 11 kids in 2011, if MU can get Shaw, that is enough, then you can take a project like
McDonald. Faust, Harrison or Hood would be great pick-ups but Shaw is the key player, a potential
solid power forward, that can get some PT time as a frosh, then probably see major minutes his
sophomore season.
Agree totally. Shaw is the key. If we land him this years recruting class is a huge win. Anything more than Shaw will be icing on the cake.
Quote from: Ners on October 12, 2010, 08:33:33 AM
Perhaps MU landing Juan Anderson made Faust decide to not look at MU anymore - y'all do realize kids look at availability of playing time as a factor in making these decisions, right? Furthermore, nowhere in the article does it say Faust "dropped" MU from his list. Lastly, if you have concerns about this "reflecting on things to come," or Jay Wright being a "god" on the recruiting trail - just look at the complexion of the Marquette roster and ask yourself: Does Nova or Maryland have more talent assembled than does Buzz and MU? Did Buzz not BEAT Jay Wright last year in the Big East tourney? We can go back to recruiting 3-star talent as did our predecessor - other than his 1 kid per year that was a 4-star target that was considering us - and sign 3-star kids right away now. Buzz has us in on multiple top 100 talent and Top 50 kids this year. 3-stars now BEG to sign with MU, whereas in the past we had to recruit the hell out of them. I'm not worried about if this is a "reflection of what's to come."
Anderson committing has no effect on Faust.
And doubting Jay Wright's ability on the recruiting trail is not a road you want to go down when you push so hard to defend Buzz. They are at different levels. Just ask Jayvaughn Pinkston.
Quote from: dmjt4160 on October 12, 2010, 08:38:23 AM
It was reported on our site in an interview with his dad that he was taking those two officials and that FSU was the only other team being considered. Not to be a dick but honestly it doesn't matter which other teams are listed as still under consideration. People who never ever talk in absolutes have been talking in absolutes about Faust for over a month now.
Thanks for the additional background. I'd be shocked if Maryland didn't land Faust, considering he's a Baltimore native, and MD is the only high-major D-1 program in Maryland. I'm a little surprised his recruitment has been drawn out this long, and that he recently added Villanova to his list - as your sources for about the last 2 months have been saying Faust to MD is basically a done deal. Been an interesting recruitment to say the least. I think all MU fans would rather see him end up at MD than Villanova (if we are out of the mix.)
Quote from: The Golden Avalanche on October 12, 2010, 08:54:35 AM
Anderson committing has no effect on Faust.
And doubting Jay Wright's ability on the recruiting trail is not a road you want to go down when you push so hard to defend Buzz. They are at different levels. Just ask Jayvaughn Pinkston.
Umm..why not?
I agree Jay Wright and Buzz are at different levels to the extent that: Jay Wright has been head coach at Nova for 9 years, compared to Buzz's 2 years. Jay is 48, Buzz 37. Jay took a team to a Final Four, though as a 2 seed this year he got beat by St. Mary's (and got beat by Buzz and Marquette in the Big East tourney of course). And, to say that just because one school beats us on a kid such as Jayvaughn Pinkston, means one coach is a better recruiter than the other is a tenuous argument at best. Pretty sure Buzz has "beat" the likes of Huggins, Pearl, Calipari (Buycks/DJO), Howland, Billy Donovan, Sean Miller (Vander Blue).
So long as MU remains in the Big East, Buzz will always recruit quite well for Marquette...we can take the Chicos approach here and judge after 5 years..but my guess is that if Buzz is at MU for 9 years..he will achieve what Jay Wright has accomplished at Villanova.
Quote from: Ners on October 12, 2010, 09:07:28 AM
my guess is that if Buzz is at MU for 9 years..he will achieve what Jay Wright has accomplished at Villanova.
That's a great way of looking at it...I hope Buzz stays here 9 years.
Quote from: Ruby on October 11, 2010, 11:00:16 PM
Maybe Buzz said, " I got this kid from TX who is ready to commit. I'd rather take you, but I need to know right now." Look for Harrison to commit on Thursday.
Just speculating.
Ruby, I hope this is the case, but from what I have read, it seems like Harrison is a Oklahoma State lean. I don't think we are out of the running yet for either Faust or Harrison, but I think it will be difficult at this point. Just my opinion. I think our next signing will be a Texas kid, but just not Harrison. Let's hope Buzz can get either of these fantastic shooting guards because they would be great additions to the team.
I agree. Hood is the kid I really want because you need a deadly shooter to replace DJO. I'd love to get Shaw as well.
Quote from: Ners on October 12, 2010, 08:33:33 AM
Perhaps MU landing Juan Anderson made Faust decide to not look at MU anymore - y'all do realize kids look at availability of playing time as a factor in making these decisions, right? Furthermore, nowhere in the article does it say Faust "dropped" MU from his list. Lastly, if you have concerns about this "reflecting on things to come," or Jay Wright being a "god" on the recruiting trail - just look at the complexion of the Marquette roster and ask yourself: Does Nova or Maryland have more talent assembled than does Buzz and MU? Did Buzz not BEAT Jay Wright last year in the Big East tourney? We can go back to recruiting 3-star talent as did our predecessor - other than his 1 kid per year that was a 4-star target that was considering us - and sign 3-star kids right away now. Buzz has us in on multiple top 100 talent and Top 50 kids this year. 3-stars now BEG to sign with MU, whereas in the past we had to recruit the hell out of them. I'm not worried about if this is a "reflection of what's to come."
Yes, Nova does. Wright has at least as much talent on the perimeter as Buzz does, plus a stud center (Mouphtao Yarou) and a lot more depth inside. As much as I love our roster, and I don't think we're that far behind Nova, I would trade rosters with them in a second.
In terms of availability of time, even at the 2/3 that Faust will play, I don't think Nova makes any more sense than MU. They are already loaded, and have 2 sgs already signed for 2011.
I will take our roster over Maryland's any day, but all signs seem to point to Faust signing for them.
Quote from: willie warrior on October 12, 2010, 06:25:31 AM
It appears that they are dropping like flys from our list--also from the projected list of attendees at madness.
Hope this does not reflect on things to come.
Or maybe its because its getting to the nitty gritty and we are down to the kids who will actually commit potentially and not just guys we are in on. Id be just fine if 6 flys drop from our list of 11 if those last 5 are quite realistic possibilities.
Quote from: ceh on October 12, 2010, 09:36:53 AM
I think our next signing will be a Texas kid, but just not Harrison.
Jarian Henry???
QuoteIt appears that they are dropping like flys from our list--also from the projected list of attendees at madness.
Hope this does not reflect on things to come
Fact: We have 2 ships left. We cannot get ALL of these guys. Buzz likely has a very good idea of who he can and cannot get vs. guys who have us on their list. What to us may come as a surprise, he may have known for a while.
I'm still not convinced we are out with Faust as I have not seen anything that says that. He is looking at a few more schools before he decides. Good for him.
Buzz will get 2 or 3 more high quality players who will benefit the program. Have faith.
Quote from: Ners on October 12, 2010, 09:07:28 AM
Umm..why not?
I agree Jay Wright and Buzz are at different levels to the extent that: Jay Wright has been head coach at Nova for 9 years, compared to Buzz's 2 years. Jay is 48, Buzz 37. Jay took a team to a Final Four, though as a 2 seed this year he got beat by St. Mary's (and got beat by Buzz and Marquette in the Big East tourney of course). And, to say that just because one school beats us on a kid such as Jayvaughn Pinkston, means one coach is a better recruiter than the other is a tenuous argument at best. Pretty sure Buzz has "beat" the likes of Huggins, Pearl, Calipari (Buycks/DJO), Howland, Billy Donovan, Sean Miller (Vander Blue).
So long as MU remains in the Big East, Buzz will always recruit quite well for Marquette...we can take the Chicos approach here and judge after 5 years..but my guess is that if Buzz is at MU for 9 years..he will achieve what Jay Wright has accomplished at Villanova.
With regard to Anderson and Faust:
1) Faust is an elite level national prospect that is not going to turn down a school simply because a mid-level prospect has committed to one of the three scholarships available.
2) Marquette has been more then a sidebar in his recruitment all summer long. If he stayed home, it's Maryland. If he went away, it's Marquette. It would be suspect to drop a school you're willing to leave home for because they landed a player who likely won't be much competition for you (JA at the 3 and 4 whereas NF at the 2 and 3 moving to 1). There is a reason. And its not Anderson's commitment.
3) Finally, the main tenets of Buzz' recruiting are versatility and length. That means he will take similar prospects in one class knowing they spread over two or three or even four positions. This is why people are still excited at the possibility of Hood or Shaw even with Anderson in the fold. You can't trumpet versatility when you land a player and then claim there's an overlap when another prospect turns you down.
With regard to Wright:
Any objective college basketball person will tell you that Jay Wright is outstanding on the recruiting trail. He is simply a class above. He's landed elite talent in the markets you have to have a presence in and his teams produce on that talent even if people question his Xs and Os.
One of his first classes at Nova was Ray, Foye, Sumpter, and Fraser. The breadth and depth of that class blows away anything MU has seen in over a decade (even with Fraser being robbed of a career due to his knees). He's followed it up through two renewed cycles with elite talent. He is a god.
Quote from: The Golden Avalanche on October 12, 2010, 03:43:14 PM
With regard to Anderson and Faust:
1) Faust is an elite level national prospect that is not going to turn down a school simply because a mid-level prospect has committed to one of the three scholarships available.
2) Marquette has been more then a sidebar in his recruitment all summer long. If he stayed home, it's Maryland. If he went away, it's Marquette. It would be suspect to drop a school you're willing to leave home for because they landed a player who likely won't be much competition for you (JA at the 3 and 4 whereas NF at the 2 and 3 moving to 1). There is a reason. And its not Anderson's commitment.
3) Finally, the main tenets of Buzz' recruiting are versatility and length. That means he will take similar prospects in one class knowing they spread over two or three or even four positions. This is why people are still excited at the possibility of Hood or Shaw even with Anderson in the fold. You can't trumpet versatility when you land a player and then claim there's an overlap when another prospect turns you down.
With regard to Wright:
Any objective college basketball person will tell you that Jay Wright is outstanding on the recruiting trail. He is simply a class above. He's landed elite talent in the markets you have to have a presence in and his teams produce on that talent even if people question his Xs and Os.
One of his first classes at Nova was Ray, Foye, Sumpter, and Fraser. The breadth and depth of that class blows away anything MU has seen in over a decade (even with Fraser being robbed of a career due to his knees). He's followed it up through two renewed cycles with elite talent. He is a god.
To the bolded items
1)I wouldn't exactly refer to Juan Anderson as a "mid-level prospect." He is pretty much a consensus Top 100 kid.
2) It isn't about Buzz "taking" Faust..it's about Faust choosing Marquette...and now in addition to Jamail Jones, Jamil Wilson, Vander Blue (all guys who were pretty much thought to be Top 30-70 consensus talents nationally) along with DJO next year - add Juan Anderson to that mix - and you really don't think that would affect Faust's thought process? You think him getting to MU as a freshman - that he'd be better than any of the 4 vets? Probably not..now add in another wing in Anderson..even more competition.
3) Jay Wright is a good coach/recruiter sure - but he's been in the profession 10 years longer than Buzz..and been at Villanova going on 10 years. Why compare Buzz to Jay..and imply Buzz got "owned" by Jay Wright in the Pinkston recruiting battle? But regarding the Foye, Ray and Sumpter class - let's see how Buzz's group of Vander, Jamail Jones, Reggie Smith, Jamil Wilson and Devante Gardner turn out...my bet...they'll do some great things in their time at MU
Quote from: Ners on October 12, 2010, 04:20:43 PM
To the bolded items
1)I wouldn't exactly refer to Juan Anderson as a "mid-level prospect." He is pretty much a consensus Top 100 kid.
2) It isn't about Buzz "taking" Faust..it's about Faust choosing Marquette...and now in addition to Jamail Jones, Jamil Wilson, Vander Blue (all guys who were pretty much thought to be Top 30-70 consensus talents nationally) along with DJO next year - add Juan Anderson to that mix - and you really don't think that would affect Faust's thought process? You think him getting to MU as a freshman - that he'd be better than any of the 4 vets? Probably not..now add in another wing in Anderson..even more competition.
3) Jay Wright is a good coach/recruiter sure - but he's been in the profession 10 years longer than Buzz..and been at Villanova going on 10 years. Why compare Buzz to Jay..and imply Buzz got "owned" by Jay Wright in the Pinkston recruiting battle? But regarding the Foye, Ray and Sumpter class - let's see how Buzz's group of Vander, Jamail Jones, Reggie Smith, Jamil Wilson and Devante Gardner turn out...my bet...they'll do some great things in their time at MU
This is getting silly and I'll stop here:
1) In terms of national prospects, Anderson is mid-level. He will be rated in the 70s in one service and in the 120s in another service. We'll see if his RSCI comes in under 100. Faust is a no-doubter at the high end of these rankings. Compared to Faust, Anderson is mid-tier. That brings me to point number two.
2) MU was a realistic choice for Faust regardless of who took the other two spots. Anderson didn't stop that. Three of the guys you listed have never played. One of them will only be around for a year. And the other one, at his height, will be getting time mostly at the 4 and 3 whereas Faust will be at the 2 and 3. That's not exactly a situation that should scare a prospect like Faust into dropping a school who was running 1A in his recruitment for many months.
3) Jay Wright is a god on the trail. Simple as that.
Quote from: The Golden Avalanche on October 12, 2010, 09:57:46 PM
This is getting silly and I'll stop here:
3) Jay Wright is a god on the trail. Simple as that.
Ladies, look at your coach. Now look at Jay. Now look at your coach now BACK TO JAY.
Jay Wright is the coach you wish your coach smelled like
Anderson will be a top 100 maybe top 75 RCS, and he is a guy who went from being unrated 6 months ago to top 100. He must either be improving or getting more exposure.
Quote from: The Golden Avalanche on October 12, 2010, 09:57:46 PM
This is getting silly and I'll stop here:
1) In terms of national prospects, Anderson is mid-level. He will be rated in the 70s in one service and in the 120s in another service. We'll see if his RSCI comes in under 100. Faust is a no-doubter at the high end of these rankings. Compared to Faust, Anderson is mid-tier. That brings me to point number two.
2) MU was a realistic choice for Faust regardless of who took the other two spots. Anderson didn't stop that. Three of the guys you listed have never played. One of them will only be around for a year. And the other one, at his height, will be getting time mostly at the 4 and 3 whereas Faust will be at the 2 and 3. That's not exactly a situation that should scare a prospect like Faust into dropping a school who was running 1A in his recruitment for many months.
3) Jay Wright is a god on the trail. Simple as that.
I'd bet a lot of money that Juan will end up in the top 100 RSCI. He already is, his exposure is going way up but still has a ways to go, and I believe another poster said that ranking does not include a recent #80 ranking that wasn't previously included. Hardly mid-tier. In comparison to Quincy Miller, Nick Faust is mid-tier...
Also, I really hope Anderson doesn't see much time at the 4. No reason we need to continue the trend of 6'6 guys playing power forward.