Does anyone know the chances that we can actually land this kid?? His stock is rising faster than anyones right now and was supposedly really impressive at LeBrons camp.
Boy would I love a 6'6" SG that can do just that and just about everything else.
From what I recall he visited several weeks ago, and MU was thought to be in on him early..meaning being one of the first - if not THE first high-major program to offer him. I'd imagine he is now sifting through all of his options...I'd say our only chance would be if he's the type of kid who values loyalty or...the "you were there from the beginning," angle.
"'I'd say our only chance would be if he's the type of kid who values loyalty or...the "you were there from the beginning," angle."
Why? Marquette has an awful lot to offer. Great school, great program, and a great conference. Who cares who else is recruiting him? Why do some posters feel that when other "big time" schools get involved, that we don't have a chance? Hood listed us as one of his top four a few weeks back. He did that for a reason, he is interested and is considering Marquette.
Also, for what I have read, he is now closer to 6'8" than he is to 6'6". He is having a great summer, but Buzz and the staff will continue to work hard to get top talent. Keep the faith!
GO MU!
Actually, Faust is more of a 6'5"/6'6" player. It is Rodney Hood that is nearly 6'8". Sorry, my bad! Both players would be wonderful recruits for Marquette!
Quote from: hoops12 on July 14, 2010, 07:58:58 PM
"'I'd say our only chance would be if he's the type of kid who values loyalty or...the "you were there from the beginning," angle."
Why? Marquette has an awful lot to offer. Great school, great program, and a great conference. Who cares who else is recruiting him? Why do some posters feel that when other "big time" schools get involved, that we don't have a chance? Hood listed us as one of his top four a few weeks back. He did that for a reason, he is interested and is considering Marquette.
Obviously all of us who post here would like top 20 recruits to come to MU (except a few Badger trolls and some occasional conference rival posters), but the reality is that in most cases we will lose out to Duke, UNC, Kentucky, Kansas, UCLA, and other signature programs...at least that is what our recent history had been under Tom Crean..we got down to a lot of top recruits Final 2 or 3, but ultimately kids decided to go elsewhere. We are right in that next category. Buzz is doing a great job, and I sure hope he can land Faust, Dawsen or Hood - to me just gettin 1 of these 3 would be huge.
The reality is these are 18 year old kids and beyond our training facilities, coaching staff and conference we play in there is nothing else that we offer which is greater than the rest. There are many other schools with better campuses, better weather and factors that are attractive to a young kid.
This is all before any third party dealings that might really influence a prospects decision to attend a university. Marquette is doing pretty much all they can to attract the top talent and we will never be able to sell a kid on the university if he is more interested in palm trees, the big city lights or a program that should be a wholly owned subsidiary of ESPN.
I haven't seen any palm tree in Kansas or Raleigh or Duraham or Kentucky.
Quote from: CAINMUTINY on July 14, 2010, 10:50:42 PM
The reality is these are 18 year old kids and beyond our training facilities, coaching staff and conference we play in there is nothing else that we offer which is greater than the rest. There are many other schools with better campuses, better weather and factors that are attractive to a young kid.
This is all before any third party dealings that might really influence a prospects decision to attend a university. Marquette is doing pretty much all they can to attract the top talent and we will never be able to sell a kid on the university if he is more interested in palm trees, the big city lights or a program that should be a wholly owned subsidiary of ESPN.
Izzo, Calhoun, Boeheim, Wright, Dixon and Matta do just fine recruiting kids to cold weather. No excuses.
Quote from: NCMUFan on July 15, 2010, 09:13:54 AM
I haven't seen any palm tree in Kansas or Raleigh or Duraham or Kentucky.
Good point, but I haven't seen many girls on MU's campus that look like those at UNC, Duke, Kentucky or even Kansas. :D Nor has MU ever been a Top 5 program in NCAA history...A recent ranking of programs I saw (I think on ESPN or Yahoo), had us at 19...so from my perspective if we continue to get Top 20 rated recruiting classes - we are definitely fulfilling our potential from a recruiting perspective....and we can do that by landing guys in the 50-100 range consistently..but the Top 20 type players almost always go to the above schools..
Quote from: goodgreatgrand on July 15, 2010, 09:35:42 AM
Izzo, Calhoun, Boeheim, Wright, Dixon and Matta do just fine recruiting kids to cold weather. No excuses.
This topic was about landing Top 25 type of talent, and from your previous posts last week, you were pretty adamant that Boeheim doesn't land that much Top 50 talent, much less Top 25 talent. So does Boeheim really do a great job recruiting Top 25 kids to cold weather?
I clearly demonstrated the Boeheim went 2 years without a top 50 recruit. You said he gets top 50 talent "year-in, year-out."
BUT 2012 is setting up well for him. DeJaun Coleman, a top 5 talent and perhaps the best player in the class, is a local product and former h.s. teammate of Brandon Triche. Got to see him play here in nyc at an AAU tournament. He is a cleary an NBA product yet only a jr in h.s.
Take a look at the top 15 (or 25) in the class of 2012. A lot of cold weather schools on those lists, no?
The weather is really a pretty lame and overhyped excuse and I doubt it ever has been a reason why we didn't get a recruit.
Football maybe because it's an outside sport but cold weather cities tend to have bigger crowds and more frantic fan bases as it's one of the main sources of local entertainment during winter. People in LA can go golf or surf in the winters so less of them are as into USC or UCLA basketball as they are in a place like Kentucky or Marquette. LA couldn't even keep a professional football team for this reason while Green Bay has a vibrant franchise inspite of being in the cold being and in an MSA the fraction of the size as LA. Besides I like a cold night and being in a bar with live music and sipping a guiness...winter has it's virtues.
Buzz will land some top 25 players in this class because Buzz is amazing an Marquette has a lot to sell.
Quote from: Ners on July 15, 2010, 09:37:30 AM
Good point, but I haven't seen many girls on MU's campus that look like those at UNC, Duke, Kentucky or even Kansas. :D Nor has MU ever been a Top 5 program in NCAA history...A recent ranking of programs I saw (I think on ESPN or Yahoo), had us at 19...so from my perspective if we continue to get Top 20 rated recruiting classes - we are definitely fulfilling our potential from a recruiting perspective....and we can do that by landing guys in the 50-100 range consistently..but the Top 20 type players almost always go to the above schools..
Marquette was a top 5 program when McGuire retired.
Quote from: ATWizJr on July 15, 2010, 10:30:43 AM
Marquette was a top 5 program when McGuire retired.
Ners is the epitome of misinformation.
Quote from: Ners on July 14, 2010, 08:34:37 PM
Obviously all of us who post here would like top 20 recruits to come to MU (except a few Badger trolls and some occasional conference rival posters), but the reality is that in most cases we will lose out to Duke, UNC, Kentucky, Kansas, UCLA, and other signature programs...at least that is what our recent history had been under Tom Crean..we got down to a lot of top recruits Final 2 or 3, but ultimately kids decided to go elsewhere. We are right in that next category. Buzz is doing a great job, and I sure hope he can land Faust, Dawsen or Hood - to me just gettin 1 of these 3 would be huge.
You are right that this has been the history, but Tom Crean doesn't live here anymore, and I do get the sense that Buzz is going to break through on one or two of these guys in the not too distant future. He has unquestionably upgraded the recruiting in the short time he has been here, and I have no reason to doubt that he can take that a step further.
Quote from: goodgreatgrand on July 15, 2010, 10:36:39 AM
Ners is the epitome of misinformation.
And you are a closet Syracuse fan that needs to come out of the closet...it's okay buddy, you can do it..I'm sure you will feel a lot better about yourself when stop being a poser.
Quote from: goodgreatgrand on July 15, 2010, 10:04:14 AM
I clearly demonstrated the Boeheim went 2 years without a top 50 recruit. You said he gets top 50 talent "year-in, year-out."
BUT 2012 is setting up well for him. DeJaun Coleman, a top 5 talent and perhaps the best player in the class, is a local product and former h.s. teammate of Brandon Triche. Got to see him play here in nyc at an AAU tournament. He is a cleary an NBA product yet only a jr in h.s.
Take a look at the top 15 (or 25) in the class of 2012. A lot of cold weather schools on those lists, no?
Please point out where I argued cold weather was ever an issue with recruiting? Don't mix my arguments with someone elses. It was you who posted that Izzo, Boheim, etc..have no problem recruiting top talent to cold weather cities, yet u now have acknowledged that Boheim was unable to do so 2 years in a row? Pretty inconsistent in your ongoing attempts to defend Syracuse - but hey, that's cool..just come out of the closet when you are ready.
Quote from: Ners on July 15, 2010, 10:53:15 AM
Please point out where I argued cold weather was ever an issue with recruiting? Don't mix my arguments with someone elses. It was you who posted that Izzo, Boheim, etc..have no problem recruiting top talent to cold weather cities, yet u now have acknowledged that Boheim was unable to do so 2 years in a row? Pretty inconsistent in your ongoing attempts to defend Syracuse - but hey, that's cool..just come out of the closet when you are ready.
I am so confused with who's arguing what now.... You say you never argued cold weather was an issue with recruiting, then the very next sentence you bring up cold weather? Do you just argue whatever the other guy says?
Quote from: Ners on July 15, 2010, 09:37:30 AM
Good point, but I haven't seen many girls on MU's campus that look like those at UNC, Duke, Kentucky or even Kansas. :D Nor has MU ever been a Top 5 program in NCAA history...A recent ranking of programs I saw (I think on ESPN or Yahoo), had us at 19...so from my perspective if we continue to get Top 20 rated recruiting classes - we are definitely fulfilling our potential from a recruiting perspective....and we can do that by landing guys in the 50-100 range consistently..but the Top 20 type players almost always go to the above schools..
As pointed out, we were back in the McGuire days. I recently saw an interview with Al where he talked about Marquette having a run of 6 years or so where they were never outside of the top 10 AP rankings. Al had his pick of top recruits, and I think that held up a few years after he left. Throughout the 1970s Marquette was undoubtedly a top 5 program, right there with the likes of North Carolina, and just a bit behind UCLA (who was well ahead of everyone at the time).
I love these threads titled for a potential recruit that has 1 post in them about the recruit and the rest of the thread is just bickering back and forth between posters about something completely unrelated.
Does anybody have any information on Nick Faust and his recruitment or should I just stop reading any thread with a recruit's name in it and assume it's not about said recruit?
Quote from: brewcity77 on July 15, 2010, 12:01:13 PM
As pointed out, we were back in the McGuire days. I recently saw an interview with Al where he talked about Marquette having a run of 6 years or so where they were never outside of the top 10 AP rankings. Al had his pick of top recruits, and I think that held up a few years after he left. Throughout the 1970s Marquette was undoubtedly a top 5 program, right there with the likes of North Carolina, and just a bit behind UCLA (who was well ahead of everyone at the time).
In the 70's UCLA wasin a class by themselves. Marquette and NC were next - clearly above the rest of the pack.
agreed, wadesworld.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on July 15, 2010, 12:25:05 PM
In the 70's UCLA wasin a class by themselves. Marquette and NC were next - clearly above the rest of the pack.
Disagree 1970-1974 yes on UCLA.....1970-1980 MU, IU , and UNC
Quote from: Ners on July 15, 2010, 09:37:30 AM
Good point, but I haven't seen many girls on MU's campus that look like those at UNC, Duke, Kentucky or even Kansas. :D .......
I will agree with the UNC, Kentucky or Kansas argument but you have obviously never been to Duke......even Duke students agree that their women leave a lot to be desired and head to Franklin St in Chapel Hill hoping to meet a Carolina girl......Duke is not so affectionately referred to as the University of New Jersey-Durham campus.....need I say more?
Quote from: Canadian Dimes on July 15, 2010, 01:27:59 PM
Disagree 1970-1974 yes on UCLA.....1970-1980 MU, IU , and UNC
In the 70's UCLA appeared in the NCAA tournament and advanced to the sweet sixteen every year. 7 final 4's. 5 national championships. IU made the tournament 4 times. 4 sweet 16's. 2 final 4's and 1 national championship. UCLA is head and shoulders above everyone and MU and UNC are well ahead of IU during the 70's.
Quote from: texaswarrior74 on July 15, 2010, 02:50:26 PM
I will agree with the UNC, Kentucky or Kansas argument but you have obviously never been to Duke......even Duke students agree that their women leave a lot to be desired and head to Franklin St in Chapel Hill hoping to meet a Carolina girl......Duke is not so affectionately referred to as the University of New Jersey-Durham campus.....need I say more?
You are correct - haven't been on the Duke campus..and you need not say more regarding University of New Jersey-Durham..that paints all the picture I need.
Quote from: Ners on July 15, 2010, 03:49:19 PM
You are correct - haven't been on the Duke campus..and you need not say more regarding University of New Jersey-Durham..that paints all the picture I need.
Maybe Buzz can get some Duke recruits to come our way by telling them that Jersey girls are only marginally cuter than Milwaukee girls. Plus warm weather is overrated and our beer is fresher.
The point people are making about us being a top 5 team in the 70s are making the exact point brought up earlier. We haven't been on that level in decades so of course Duke, Kentucky, UCLA, and UNC all have up ons us.
It was also a different ballgame back in the 70s, that was before we ever had to worry about BCS bs.
Quote from: wadesworld on July 15, 2010, 12:07:18 PM
I love these threads titled for a potential recruit that has 1 post in them about the recruit and the rest of the thread is just bickering back and forth between posters about something completely unrelated.
Does anybody have any information on Nick Faust and his recruitment or should I just stop reading any thread with a recruit's name in it and assume it's not about said recruit?
Im a MD fan, we heard today that a commitment from Faust could be coming very very soon. FWIW I think if he commits say this week it is either to MD or Marquette because those are the schools that have been on him the longest. He hasn't gotten a Duke offer or something of the like that make him commit on the spot. There has been a ton of buzz about Faust to MD lately and several people feel ultra confident that we land him. Seems like there is a good chance that we will know soon but if his recruitment drags out more and more he will continue to get offers and take visits which wouldn't be good for either MD or MU.
Quote from: dmjt4160 on July 16, 2010, 10:24:13 AM
Im a MD fan, we heard today that a commitment from Faust could be coming very very soon. FWIW I think if he commits say this week it is either to MD or Marquette because those are the schools that have been on him the longest. He hasn't gotten a Duke offer or something of the like that make him commit on the spot. There has been a ton of buzz about Faust to MD lately and several people feel ultra confident that we land him. Seems like there is a good chance that we will know soon but if his recruitment drags out more and more he will continue to get offers and take visits which wouldn't be good for either MD or MU.
Thanks for the info. I hope it's MU but if not I wouldn't mind MD. Much rather them than another BE school or even Duke, Kansas, or Kentucky.
It took almost 2 pages and a Maryland fan to get any information on Nick Faust in a thread titled "Nick Fuast." Kind of sad
Quote from: wadesworld on July 16, 2010, 11:28:05 AM
Thanks for the info. I hope it's MU but if not I wouldn't mind MD. Much rather them than another BE school or even Duke, Kansas, or Kentucky.
It took almost 2 pages and a Maryland fan to get any information on Nick Faust in a thread titled "Nick Fuast." Kind of sad
It would be great for this kid to commit to MU. Hope he makes his mind up soon.
If I'm not mistaken, this is right around the time the Jamailman committed last year. It would be sweet if we got a lengthy athletic sniper two years in a row.
Quote from: Ners on July 14, 2010, 08:34:37 PM
Obviously all of us who post here would like top 20 recruits to come to MU (except a few Badger trolls and some occasional conference rival posters), but the reality is that in most cases we will lose out to Duke, UNC, Kentucky, Kansas, UCLA, and other signature programs...at least that is what our recent history had been under Tom Crean..we got down to a lot of top recruits Final 2 or 3, but ultimately kids decided to go elsewhere. We are right in that next category. Buzz is doing a great job, and I sure hope he can land Faust, Dawsen or Hood - to me just gettin 1 of these 3 would be huge.
Believe it or not Mbao was offered by Kentucky. Butler was offered by Kentucky. UCLA and who knows who else offered Blue. Buzz is a game changer for MU recruiting. He won't get everyone he wants, but we don't have to back away and say "shucks" anymore just because a recruit has gotten interest from one of the top name programs.
http://insider.espn.go.com/ncb/recruiting/tracker/player?recruitId=113234&season=2011&action=login&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fncb%2frecruiting%2ftracker%2fplayer%3frecruitId%3d113234%26season%3d2011
ESPN doesn't even have MU listed? I heard at the Pro-AM in the next 10 days, he will come to MU.
Quote from: mupanther on July 18, 2010, 11:26:20 AM
http://insider.espn.go.com/ncb/recruiting/tracker/player?recruitId=113234&season=2011&action=login&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fncb%2frecruiting%2ftracker%2fplayer%3frecruitId%3d113234%26season%3d2011
ESPN doesn't even have MU listed? I heard at the Pro-AM in the next 10 days, he will come to MU.
What do you mean? Within the next 10 days he will be at Marquette to visit? I believe he already took his official visit here. Do you mean within the next 10 days he will commit to Marquette? That would be fantastic.
He hasn't taken any officials. He did visit Marquette unofficially a couple weeks ago.
Quote from: dmjt4160 on July 18, 2010, 01:24:23 PM
He hasn't taken any officials. He did visit Marquette unofficially a couple weeks ago.
Thanks for the clarification. I'm assuming that explains the "he'll be here in the next 10 days."
Quote from: wadesworld on July 18, 2010, 01:08:30 PM
What do you mean? Within the next 10 days he will be at Marquette to visit? I believe he already took his official visit here. Do you mean within the next 10 days he will commit to Marquette? That would be fantastic.
Sorry, I heard he will give a verbel commitment to play basketball at Marquette, from a good source at the Pro-Am.
We will see. :-\
Quote from: mupanther on July 18, 2010, 02:53:52 PM
Sorry, I heard he will give a verbel commitment to play basketball at Marquette, from a good source at the Pro-Am.
We will see. :-\
WOW really?! I hope you're right!
The MU program will have officially shifted up a gear if Buzz lands Faust and a legitimate big in the '11 recruiting class.
Quote from: mupanther on July 18, 2010, 02:53:52 PM
Sorry, I heard he will give a verbel commitment to play basketball at Marquette, from a good source at the Pro-Am.
We will see. :-\
Can you be a little more specific about a "good source", I don't need a name but maybe a little bit more info on who this guy is?
a little golden eagle told him
deep throat
Quote from: Jamil_toMU10 on July 18, 2010, 08:09:40 PM
a little golden eagle told him
Dude seriously, change your name. 0-2 so far. And 0-3 if you include the first time Wilson was in your name. Jamil will never step on the court for MU is my prediction if your name stays this way.
Change it to "Faust to MD 11"
Quote from: Jamil_toMU10 on July 18, 2010, 08:09:40 PM
a little golden eagle told him
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Bino Ranson another former AAU coach turned prime time college assistant has landed Faust for MD?
This will become a trend in college basketball... actually it already is.
Bino has known Faust forever apparently. Dude has serious, serious connections in Baltimore. Might be just what Gary needs to actually land some studs since Gary clearly can't do it on his own.
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And Ransom landed Marquette target Jordan Latham for Xavier and Latham happened to be a high school teammate of Faust's.
Also Bino recruiting to MD is different than Bino recruiting to Xavier.
Don't know much about Bino Ransom - other than what y'all have posted here. Probably a tough recruiting battle to win against Faust's home-state school - and if he is deeply connected with Bino Ransom for some time. The only point I'd say that might be relevant is does a kid commit due to his liking of an assistant coach - or head coach? As we've seen in the case when Tom Crean left - his recruits - though recruited largely by assistant coaches - wanted out of their LOI's when Crean left MU.
My 2 cents is a kid ultimately chooses a school due to the head coach, then conference affiliation/location, then assistant coach (recruiting guru). So the way I see this is: does Faust like Buzz much better than Gary Williams - for MU to overcome the geographic "negative?"
Quote from: Ners on July 19, 2010, 09:49:24 AM
Don't know much about Bino Ransom - other than what y'all have posted here. Probably a tough recruiting battle to win against Faust's home-state school - and if he is deeply connected with Bino Ransom for some time. The only point I'd say that might be relevant is does a kid commit due to his liking of an assistant coach - or head coach? As we've seen in the case when Tom Crean left - his recruits - though recruited largely by assistant coaches - wanted out of their LOI's when Crean left MU.
My 2 cents is a kid ultimately chooses a school due to the head coach, then conference affiliation/location, then assistant coach (recruiting guru). So the way I see this is: does Faust like Buzz much better than Gary Williams - for MU to overcome the geographic "negative?"
Recruiting is like anything in life. It's different for every person. Did you like a movie for the acting, script, action, hot chicks, etc.? Did you like the restaurant because its good value, awesome food, location, service, etc.? There are dozens of reasons that will lean a kid one way or another. Maybe he wants to get the heck out of the east coast. Maybe he likes the coach. Maybe he likes the chicks. Maybe he wants PT. Maybe he wants a solid class to come in with and play with. Maybe there is tampering. Who knows. No matter how you read into it, its always a guessing game.
Just maybe he wants to go to school away from home? The only concern I have is playing time, but
all the high level kids think they are so good, it will not matter, but there is competition now, before
no. I do not see any frosh getting much time in 2 years, the line-up:
Otule
Crowder
Wilson
DJO
Cadougan
Not even sure Vander will start?? Still have Williams, Smith and Jones as subs.
Pretty deep without any new recruits!
Quote from: BCHoopster on July 19, 2010, 03:56:00 PM
Just maybe he wants to go to school away from home? The only concern I have is playing time, but
all the high level kids think they are so good, it will not matter, but there is competition now, before
no. I do not see any frosh getting much time in 2 years, the line-up:
Otule
Crowder
Wilson
DJO
Cadougan
Not even sure Vander will start?? Still have Williams, Smith and Jones as subs.
Pretty deep without any new recruits!
I am not sure about playing time. I think alot of coaches use the same line. "If you are good enough, you will play." Top recruits do not shy away from UNC, UK, Duke, Syracuse, etc. If playing time was that big of a deal, why hasn't MU seen a quality big in 10 years? Top recruits know they will get PT because they know they are that good. Top recruits going to a school with PT are just one and done. Mediocre players that know they can get buried look for PT. I could be way off but from the 4 years that I have actually paid attention to recruiting, playing time seems to be something many bring up but doesn't make any sense when looking at the blue chip destinations.
Quote from: ErickJD08 on July 19, 2010, 03:35:25 PM
Recruiting is like anything in life. It's different for every person. Did you like a movie for the acting, script, action, hot chicks, etc.? Did you like the restaurant because its good value, awesome food, location, service, etc.? There are dozens of reasons that will lean a kid one way or another. Maybe he wants to get the heck out of the east coast. Maybe he likes the coach. Maybe he likes the chicks. Maybe he wants PT. Maybe he wants a solid class to come in with and play with. Maybe there is tampering. Who knows. No matter how you read into it, its always a guessing game.
Good point - though the previous poster was pointing out that due to Faust's ties with Ransom..he might be a Maryland lean..my counter point to that was that the head coach/legacy of a high-major program probably has more to do with where a recruit signs, than does an assistant coach. All other factors you mention certainly are part of the mix...
Quote from: BCHoopster on July 19, 2010, 03:56:00 PM
Just maybe he wants to go to school away from home? The only concern I have is playing time, but
all the high level kids think they are so good, it will not matter, but there is competition now, before
no. I do not see any frosh getting much time in 2 years, the line-up:
Otule
Crowder
Wilson
DJO
Cadougan
Not even sure Vander will start?? Still have Williams, Smith and Jones as subs.
Pretty deep without any new recruits!
I understand your concern about playing time. In the past the only way MU even makes the final 5 on a player like this is with an immediate starting position to offer. Be happy those days are over.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on July 19, 2010, 04:36:23 PM
I understand your concern about playing time. In the past the only way MU even makes the final 5 on a player like this is with an immediate starting position to offer. Be happy those days are over.
Very astute point....
On one hand, we may begin to lose a few recruits by no longer being able to "guarantee" immediate playing time. On the other, the opportunity for a top recruit to BOTH contribute immediately and play on a team with surrounding talent may be easier to sell at marquette than some of the powerhouses where contributing immediately may be more difficult to do. Ofcourse, this excludes the one-and-dones who will be able to play anywhere right away.
anyone heard anything recently?
Quote from: jfmu on July 21, 2010, 10:49:32 PM
anyone heard anything recently?
He's gonna take his official visits apparently. So it might wait until fall.
Quote from: MUfan12 on July 21, 2010, 10:54:30 PM
He's gonna take his official visits apparently. So it might wait until fall.
Can you imagine how much energy and effort are put into recruiting a player..and maybe the anxiety that goes along with it from a coaches perspective? It has to be a roller coaster of emotions - probably for the recruit too, of course...but at least the recruit is in ultimate control.
Can you imagine courting a girl for 2-4, 5 years...and then get ditched to have her go date your arch rival? Gotta have a thick skin to be in the recruiting game for sure. And lots of patience. I hope Faust lands at MU. He's guaranteed to develop as a player and a person...the testimony of Matthews and Hayward certainly applies.
We need to go Goethe this Faust before some (blue) Devil steals his soul
Mephistopheles Univ has already offered
Let's hope, as Faust faces his "Gretchenfrage" , he chooses the "gott" , of MU, by signing his NLI, in blood.
We can be sure the NLI will be mutually honored...no one would dare renege on a Faustian pact-- for fear of consequences far beyond NCAA purgatory.
If you understand des Pudels Kern of this post, let me know--lol
Quote from: houwarrior on July 22, 2010, 03:47:16 PM
We need to go Goethe this Faust before some (blue) Devil steals his soul
Mephistopheles Univ has already offered
Let's hope, as Faust faces his "Gretchenfrage" , he chooses the "gott" , of MU, by signing his NLI, in blood.
We can be sure the NLI will be mutually honored...no one would dare renege on a Faustian pact-- for fear of consequences far beyond NCAA purgatory.
If you understand des Pudels Kern of this post, let me know--lol
NERDS!!!!
Quote from: houwarrior on July 22, 2010, 03:47:16 PM
We need to go Goethe this Faust before some (blue) Devil steals his soul
Mephistopheles Univ has already offered
Let's hope, as Faust faces his "Gretchenfrage" , he chooses the "gott" , of MU, by signing his NLI, in blood.
We can be sure the NLI will be mutually honored...no one would dare renege on a Faustian pact-- for fear of consequences far beyond NCAA purgatory.
If you understand des Pudels Kern of this post, let me know--lol
Exhibit A in defense of an MU liberal arts education. I Love this post.
A really good team can result in a freshmen getting playing time, because they are routing teams. Eric Williams last year got very little playing time, because MU was in too many close games, which than makes it look like Buzz will not play you as a freshmen. A player that is not going to start might actually see more playing time with the better team.
Good point but there is a difference between playing time and actually contributing.
I wonder how much Eric actually felt he contributed last year. I would think most players equate the amount of playing time with contributing.
http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebasketballnation/post/_/id/13588/maryland-hires-local-recruiting-ringer
This will help Maryland in the recruitment of Faust. Gary Williams was losing all the Baltimore kids due to the oversight of AD Yow, who just left for NC State.
Quote from: houwarrior on July 22, 2010, 03:47:16 PM
We need to go Goethe this Faust before some (blue) Devil steals his soul
Mephistopheles Univ has already offered
Let's hope, as Faust faces his "Gretchenfrage" , he chooses the "gott" , of MU, by signing his NLI, in blood.
We can be sure the NLI will be mutually honored...no one would dare renege on a Faustian pact-- for fear of consequences far beyond NCAA purgatory.
If you understand des Pudels Kern of this post, let me know--lol
Can you repeat the part about the things.
Quote from: nyg on July 23, 2010, 02:39:54 PM
http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebasketballnation/post/_/id/13588/maryland-hires-local-recruiting-ringer
This will help Maryland in the recruitment of Faust. Gary Williams was losing all the Baltimore kids due to the oversight of AD Yow, who just left for NC State.
true--unless this ringer was AAU coach of Faust--which disqualifies Faust for Maryland, under the relatively recent ncaa ban on quid pro package recruitings/hiring deals (a former tactic of Calipari, at memphis)
Quote from: houwarrior on July 23, 2010, 03:11:12 PM
true--unless this ringer was AAU coach of Faust--which disqualifies Faust for Maryland, under the relatively recent ncaa ban on quid pro package recruitings/hiring deals (a former tactic of Calipari, at memphis)
..and then last year some bozo from Memphis came on our board and said that we were out of luck because we could no longer hire Tarik Black's HS coach in order to get him to commit to us, totally oblivious to the fact that this standard Memphis recruiting tactic had yet to be employed here at Marquette.
Quote from: LittleMurs on July 25, 2010, 11:36:26 PM
totally oblivious to the fact that this standard Memphis recruiting tactic had yet to be employed here at Marquette.
In fairness to houwarrior, we hired Scott Monarch and his player Jimmy Butler committed shortly thereafter. Not saying that this was an obvious quid pro quo, as Buzz and Monarch had previous ties. However, I don't believe we were on Butler's radar screen (even though his teammate Fulce had committed to us) until Monarch's name surfaced as a potential assistant.
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=8716.msg71899
Quote from: Marquette84 on July 26, 2010, 03:00:41 PM
In fairness to houwarrior, we hired Scott Monarch and his player Jimmy Butler committed shortly thereafter. Not saying that this was an obvious quid pro quo, as Buzz and Monarch had previous ties. However, I don't believe we were on Butler's radar screen (even though his teammate Fulce had committed to us) until Monarch's name surfaced as a potential assistant.
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=8716.msg71899
Saying that Buzz and Monarch had previous ties is understating their relationship. Monarch had been one of Buzz's assistants at UNO.
Quote from: Skatastrophy on July 26, 2010, 03:04:32 PM
Saying that Buzz and Monarch had previous ties is understating their relationship. Monarch had been one of Buzz's assistants at UNO.
Of course it is understating the relationship - as it makes Buzz look shady/reduce the merit of the Jimmy Butler signing - which is 84's agenda Thankfully Buzz didn't have to hire Buycks coach, DJO's coach, or Crowder's coach to land those players.
One of the reasons MU might not have been on JB's radar is because they didn't have an opening until Crean left.
When Crean went to IU Taylor, Nick Williams, and Christopherson bolted which opened up a spot for Jimmy.
Based on the relationship Buzz and SM had I think its clear that he would have been hired even if Jimmy Butler had decided to go elseware.
Quote from: Ners on July 26, 2010, 03:58:21 PM
Of course it is understating the relationship - as it makes Buzz look shady/reduce the merit of the Jimmy Butler signing - which is 84's agenda Thankfully Buzz didn't have to hire Buycks coach, DJO's coach, or Crowder's coach to land those players.
Oh, I'm sorry, Mr. Sensitive. I thought everyone here already KNEW that Monarch worked for Buzz at UNO. Apparently it was news to you.
And its funny how YOU think the package deal was shady, and how dare I remind people of it.
But let's spell out all the relationships. Buzz has
ties to Monarch had hired Monarch at UNO and worked with him for a year, but had no prior ties to Butler, even though he had recruited Butler's teammate to three different schools.
So Butler isn't looking at MU, but when he hire Monarch, all of a sudden he's ready to commit without even visiting the campus.
When Butler is asked about why he picked MU, he made the comment "I know that coach Monarch's going to take care of me when I get up there."
http://www.apacheathletics.com/article/458.php (http://www.apacheathletics.com/article/458.php)
And we know that the Monarch/Butler package deal was identified on the IOWA STATE board in April 2008. Where was your outrage back then?
http://www.cyclonefanatic.com/forum/mens-basketball/26597-jimmy-butler.html#post439812 (http://www.cyclonefanatic.com/forum/mens-basketball/26597-jimmy-butler.html#post439812)
You accuse me of being naive, but come on . . . this was a package deal.
Monarch came in and talked to one of my coaching classes. He was asked about how people get assistant jobs and things like that and he said like recruiting it was all about relationships. That you need someone who knows your personality and can work well with you. I know UNO was not the first time Buzz and Monarch knew each other. It sounded like they had known each other for quite awhile, I forget exactly how they knew each other, possibly both coaching in the juco ranks, but I do remember him saying how they were pretty good friends and he wasn't all that surprised to get a call when Buzz became a head coach (I actually think he said he got a call as soon as Buzz found out about Crean just giving him a heads up that he could get the job and would have a job for him). I don't think Butler was going wherever Monarch went and when Buzz hired hired Monarch he got Jimmy as well. I think it was more that we needed a player and Monarch had coached a very good player in Jimmy Butler (the last two sentences are my opinion, not what Monarch said)
P.S. Monarch was a very good speaker and had a lot of interesting things to say. Like Buzz, he has quite the story about how he made it to where he is in coaching. He seemed like a real quality guy and we are lucky to have him.
Quote from: Marquette84 on July 26, 2010, 05:44:27 PM
Oh, I'm sorry, Mr. Sensitive. I thought everyone here already KNEW that Monarch worked for Buzz at UNO. Apparently it was news to you.
And its funny how YOU think the package deal was shady, and how dare I remind people of it.
But let's spell out all the relationships. Buzz has ties to Monarch had hired Monarch at UNO and worked with him for a year, but had no prior ties to Butler, even though he had recruited Butler's teammate to three different schools.
So Butler isn't looking at MU, but when he hire Monarch, all of a sudden he's ready to commit without even visiting the campus.
When Butler is asked about why he picked MU, he made the comment "I know that coach Monarch's going to take care of me when I get up there."
http://www.apacheathletics.com/article/458.php (http://www.apacheathletics.com/article/458.php)
And we know that the Monarch/Butler package deal was identified on the IOWA STATE board in April 2008. Where was your outrage back then?
You state EMPHATICALLY that Ners thought Monarch and Butler coming to MU was a "shady deal". Where does he ever say that? Why do you insist on making stuff like this up? He says YOUR MISSTATEMENT makes it SEEM like a shady deal. The way you regularly twist people's words to advance your arguments is too much. (http://www.cyclonefanatic.com/forum/mens-basketball/265%3Cbr%20/%3E%5B/quote)
Quote from: Lennys Tap on July 26, 2010, 07:23:27 PM
You state EMPHATICALLY that Ners thought Monarch and Butler coming to MU was a "shady deal". Where does he ever say that? Why do you insist on making stuff like this up? He says YOUR MISSTATEMENT makes it SEEM like a shady deal. The way you regularly twist people's words to advance your arguments is too much.
First, i didn't misstate anything. I said that Monarch had ties to Buzz--which was a true statement. As if people here didn't know the exact nature of the ties already.
Ners exact quote was "Of course it is understating the relationship - as it makes Buzz look
shady/reduce the merit of the Jimmy Butler signing"
The only way my statement could MAKE Buzz look shady is if you thought Buzz's actions were shady to begin with.
Quote from: Marquette84 on July 26, 2010, 08:20:26 PM
First, i didn't misstate anything. I said that Monarch had ties to Buzz--which was a true statement. As if people here didn't know the exact nature of the ties already.
Ners exact quote was "Of course it is understating the relationship - as it makes Buzz look shady/reduce the merit of the Jimmy Butler signing"
The only way my statement could MAKE Buzz look shady is if you thought Buzz's actions were shady to begin with.
One more time. Ners says that you are understating the relationship between Buzz and Monarch. He says that this understatement gives the FALSE impression that something shady has occurred. You twist this into Ners acknowledging that something shady has occurred. Hence your misstatement.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on July 26, 2010, 09:00:36 PM
One more time. Ners says that you are understating the relationship between Buzz and Monarch. He says that this understatement gives the FALSE impression that something shady has occurred. You twist this into Ners acknowledging that something shady has occurred. Hence your misstatement.
wheels turning...I smell the smoke
Quote from: Lennys Tap on July 26, 2010, 09:00:36 PM
One more time. Ners says that you are understating the relationship between Buzz and Monarch. He says that this understatement gives the FALSE impression that something shady has occurred. You twist this into Ners acknowledging that something shady has occurred. Hence your misstatement.
Ners is wrong. I didn't understate anything. And the only way he could say that I made Buzz
look shady is if he thinks what Buzz
actually did was shady, because the only thing I did is state what Buzz did.
To prove it I'll rewrite the statement with the detail that Ners seems to think makes some difference:
In fairness to houwarrior, we hired Scott Monarch and his player Jimmy Butler committed shortly thereafter. Not saying that this was an obvious quid pro quo, as Buzz and Monarch had previous ties (Monarch was an assistant under Buzz at UNO). However, I don't believe we were on Butler's radar screen (even though his teammate Fulce had committed to us) until Monarch's name surfaced as a potential assistant.
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=8716.msg71899There. Now I'm not "understating" anything. Doesn't change the meaning a bit.
The real point of the post (absent Ners agenda to accuse anything I say as being "anti-Buzz") is that we are in no position to throw stones at Memphis.
The same rule that will stop Memphis (or Maryland or Kentucky or Kansas or ANY other school) from hiring a coach and recruiting one of his players in the same year would have ALSO prevented Buzz from hiring Monarch and recruiting Butler. Therefore, we did the same thing.
So what Ners wants is that because Buzz knew Monarch better, well, that's okay then. But the NCAA doesn't see it that way. Neither does Buzz. Read Buzz's comments in the ESPN article. He's not saying there should be an exception for hiring previous assistants. He said it hurts all coaches at lower levels who work hard to gain visibility to make their players off limits if they're hired.
Quote from: Marquette84 on July 26, 2010, 09:27:39 PM
Ners is wrong. I didn't understate anything. And the only way he could say that I made Buzz look shady is if he thinks what Buzz actually did was shady, because the only thing I did is state what Buzz did.
Guess who's wrong again??? 84!! Surprise. It wasn't me who initially said you "understated" the relationship between Buzz and Monarch. It was Skatastrophy. And he is right. He realized what you did..and you did understate the relationship - to make it seem like the ONLY reason we hired Monarch was due to his connection to Jimmy Butler...I'm sure in Memphis's case, their history of hiring an AAU coach didn't pre-date the player relationship that came as part of the package deal. Buzz and Monarch go way back, and as a result - this wasn't the case of hiring a JUCO coach as a means to secure a player.
And no 84 - I'm not paranoid about anyone being critical of Buzz..but through your most recent offering on this topic..you continue to make it crystal clear of your latent agenda..its becoming obvious now. To even float for a minute that Buzz hired Monarch as a means to get Jimmy Butler is ridiculous, and illustrates quite clearly your agenda.
Last question - how did Buzz manage to land Buycks, DJO and Crowder without hiring their JUCO coaches to MU??
PS Lennys - Thanks for the support.
Quote from: Marquette84 on July 26, 2010, 05:44:27 PM
So Butler isn't looking at MU, but when he hire Monarch, all of a sudden he's ready to commit without even visiting the campus.
And guess what 84 - DJO wasn't even on MU's radar as far as everyone knew..and he committed to MU...WITHOUT EVEN VISITING THE CAMPUS! Wow...where's the package deal on DJO's recruitment? Did we hire someone to the staff from Hutchison CC that none of us are aware of? Why would Buzz not offer DJO's coach a job..but offer's Butler's coach?
Go find a new hobby..JOANIE. Support your husband at IU, instead of being jealous over your husband's replacement who is kicking your hubby's ass in the recruiting and coaching game - at a school one rung below, It's Indiana, It's Indiana. Tommy made his bed in IU, and you should still sleep in it - even though he's looking less and less like the man you thought he was everyday.
I would say 1/2 the Juco's commit without visiting. Crowder also did not visit. No one knows how hard Buzz was recruiting Butler or not. Go back and look at school lists for Bulter, Their were none so who is to say MU was not looking at him and then offered as soon as they had a spot.
Quote from: Ners on July 26, 2010, 11:17:50 PM
He realized what you did..and you did understate the relationship - to make it seem like the ONLY reason we hired Monarch was due to his connection to Jimmy Butler...I'm sure in Memphis's case, their history of hiring an AAU coach didn't pre-date the player relationship that came as part of the package deal. Buzz and Monarch go way back, and as a result - this wasn't the case of hiring a JUCO coach as a means to secure a player.
Not only did I NOT "make it seem like the ONLY reason we hired Monarch was his connection to Butler, but I SPECIFICALLY SAID THAT WASN"T THE CASE BECAUSE THERE WAS A PREVIOUS RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN MONARCH AND BUZZ!!!
Obviously you don't actually READ my posts--and what I actually write doesn't have any meaning to you. You just twist whatever I say to fit your paranoid agenda.
"Not saying that this was an obvious quid pro quo, as Buzz and Monarch had previous ties (Monarch was an assistant under Buzz at UNO)." This is par for the course with you--but taken to a new level. I say one thing, and you try and claim I said the exact opposite in order to create an attack.
I'm sure your next paranoid rant will follow soon.
So . . . nothing new on Faust then?
Well 84 - Just let me know when you want to stop getting owned on this topic. When you write the below:
Obviously you don't actually READ my posts--and what I actually write doesn't have any meaning to you. You just twist whatever I say to fit your paranoid agenda.
"Not saying that this was an obvious quid pro quo, as Buzz and Monarch had previous ties (Monarch was an assistant under Buzz at UNO)."
But then go on to say this (you completely contradict yourself - per usual.) The reality is that Scott Monarch would still be an assistant coach at MU even if Jimmy Butler didn't sign with MU. Buzz has proven he can land top JUCO talent without giving the player's coaches jobs. Furthermore - why don't you rebut that we weren't on DJO's list/radar..yet he committed without ever visiting campus?? And note - I never called the Butler signing and Monarch hiring a "package deal" as you continue to belabor below. You are the one calling it a package deal all along..yet initially trying to say there was no quid pro quo. You make yourself look ridiculous 84..keep digging your grave if you want. It's getting old owning you.
Quote from: Marquette84 on July 26, 2010, 05:44:27 PM
And its funny how YOU think the package deal was shady, and how dare I remind people of it.
But let's spell out all the relationships. Buzz has ties to Monarch had hired Monarch at UNO and worked with him for a year, but had no prior ties to Butler, even though he had recruited Butler's teammate to three different schools.
So Butler isn't looking at MU, but when he hire Monarch, all of a sudden he's ready to commit without even visiting the campus.
When Butler is asked about why he picked MU, he made the comment "I know that coach Monarch's going to take care of me when I get up there."
http://www.apacheathletics.com/article/458.php (http://www.apacheathletics.com/article/458.php)
And we know that the Monarch/Butler package deal was identified on the IOWA STATE board in April 2008. Where was your outrage back then?
http://www.cyclonefanatic.com/forum/mens-basketball/26597-jimmy-butler.html#post439812 (http://www.cyclonefanatic.com/forum/mens-basketball/26597-jimmy-butler.html#post439812)
You accuse me of being naive, but come on . . . this was a package deal.
Quote from: copious1218 on July 27, 2010, 08:53:25 AM
So . . . nothing new on Faust then?
Ha! I was just going to write this same thing.
Quote from: Ners on July 26, 2010, 11:33:56 PM
Go find a new hobby..JOANIE. Support your husband at IU, instead of being jealous over your husband's replacement who is kicking your hubby's ass in the recruiting and coaching game - at a school one rung below, It's Indiana, It's Indiana. Tommy made his bed in IU, and you should still sleep in it - even though he's looking less and less like the man you thought he was everyday.
The Crean's can take solace in the fact that they are also Harbaughs...
Quote from: copious1218 on July 27, 2010, 08:53:25 AM
So . . . nothing new on Faust then?
Pretty much everyone of our insiders on our (MD) boards think we have him wrapped up and that he might commit very soon. (http://www.insidemdsports.com/forums/images/smilies/noidea.gif) Other than that there isn't any news since the last article where Faust talked about taking visits and committing in the fall.
Quote from: Ners on July 27, 2010, 09:02:28 AM
Well 84 - Just let me know when you want to stop getting owned on this topic. When you write the below:
Obviously you don't actually READ my posts--and what I actually write doesn't have any meaning to you. You just twist whatever I say to fit your paranoid agenda.
"Not saying that this was an obvious quid pro quo, as Buzz and Monarch had previous ties (Monarch was an assistant under Buzz at UNO)."
But then go on to say this (you completely contradict yourself - per usual.) The reality is that Scott Monarch would still be an assistant coach at MU even if Jimmy Butler didn't sign with MU. Buzz has proven he can land top JUCO talent without giving the player's coaches jobs. Furthermore - why don't you rebut that we weren't on DJO's list/radar..yet he committed without ever visiting campus?? And note - I never called the Butler signing and Monarch hiring a "package deal" as you continue to belabor below. You are the one calling it a package deal all along..yet initially trying to say there was no quid pro quo. You make yourself look ridiculous 84..keep digging your grave if you want. It's getting old owning you.
Honestly guys, it seems like you are looking for reasons to fight. You've posted over the top of one another in a couple of different threads, and it's the same song and dance. Somehow it degenerates into Buzz vs Crean.
Could you take this to PM?
Quote from: Ners on July 27, 2010, 09:02:28 AM
But then go on to say this (you completely contradict yourself - per usual.)
No contradiction. I've been completely consistent: I said this was NOT an obvious quid pro quo, in my first post, and have been consistent in every post since. You keep implying I said the opposite, and every time you do so you're wrong.
I never said or implied anything was wrong with what we did. In fact, the post was intended to get us to stop accusing other schools of malfeasance for doing so.
Quote from: Ners on July 27, 2010, 09:02:28 AM
The reality is that Scott Monarch would still be an assistant coach at MU even if Jimmy Butler didn't sign with MU.
I completely agree with this--never said anything to the contrary. I also believe based on the quotes made by Butler at the time, if we had not hired Scott Monarch, Jimmy Butler would not have signed with MU.
Quote from: Ners on July 27, 2010, 09:02:28 AM
Buzz has proven he can land top JUCO talent without giving the player's coaches jobs.
Sure. I agree 100%.
Quote from: Ners on July 27, 2010, 09:02:28 AM
Furthermore - why don't you rebut that we weren't on DJO's list/radar..yet he committed without ever visiting campus??
I didn't want your head to explode:
http://www.jsonline.com/sports/goldeneagles/83693017.html (http://www.jsonline.com/sports/goldeneagles/83693017.html)
"Johnson-Odom actually was
recruited by former MU coach Tom Crean when he was in high school. . ."
Quote from: Ners on July 27, 2010, 09:02:28 AM
And note - I never called the Butler signing and Monarch hiring a "package deal" as you continue to belabor below. You are the one calling it a package deal all along..yet initially trying to say there was no quid pro quo. You make yourself look ridiculous 84..keep digging your grave if you want. It's getting old owning you.
I'm not belaboring anything--I'm trying to point out simple statements of fact.
Fact: Butler & Monarch had a player/coach relationship in Juco.
Fact: We hired Monarch and signed Butler in the same year, making them a package deal.
Fact: This type of package deal would be barred under the new NCAA rules.
I'll add my opinion--we landed Butler primarily because we hired Monarch--supported by the quotes in the press made at the time.
Furthermore, we should not accuse other programs of shady dealings when THEY hire coaches and recruit players from the same JUCO, HS or AAU team.
Quote from: 2002MUalum on July 27, 2010, 09:43:47 AM
Honestly guys, it seems like you are looking for reasons to fight. You've posted over the top of one another in a couple of different threads, and it's the same song and dance. Somehow it degenerates into Buzz vs Crean.
Fair enough. I felt the need to defend myself from Ners personal attacks.
84 - So clarify for me - you state the Butler and Monarach arrival wasn't an OBVIOUS quid pro quo, but then go on to say it is an obvious "package deal," isn't that contradictory? You write that we shouldn't scold schools who have hired AAU coaches, etc..as a means to land a player - because we have done the same thing?? Yet you state that you agree that Scott Monarch would be a coach at MU even if Jimmy Butler didn't sign?
I'm not sure where the contradictions end..but you keep spinning a vicious contradictory circle to try to fit your agenda..of making Buzz look shady.
Quote from: Marquette84 on July 27, 2010, 10:48:04 AM
Fact: Butler & Monarch had a player/coach relationship in Juco.
Fact: We hired Monarch and signed Butler in the same year, making them a package deal.
Fact: This type of package deal would be barred under the new NCAA rules.
#1 and #3 are both right in principle. #2 is a little fuzzy.
The new rule was put in place to keep programs from hiring empty suit assistant coaches simply so they could sign that coach's star recruit. In a way, they want to prevent players from bringing their own coaches as opposed to coaches bringing their own players. Butler came to MU because of Monarch, but Monarch was coming to MU regardless. The NCAA wants to get rid of situations where an insurance salesman/AAU basketball coach is hired by a university and all of a sudden that coach's McDonald's All-American decides to sign with that school.
Quote from: dmjt4160 on July 27, 2010, 09:38:23 AM
Pretty much everyone of our insiders on our (MD) boards think we have him wrapped up and that he might commit very soon. (http://www.insidemdsports.com/forums/images/smilies/noidea.gif) Other than that there isn't any news since the last article where Faust talked about taking visits and committing in the fall.
What are the reasons your insiders are saying this? Is it the new recruiter MD just hired? Are these people reliable?
Quote from: MarkCharles on July 27, 2010, 01:33:23 PM
What are the reasons your insiders are saying this? Is it the new recruiter MD just hired? Are these people reliable?
Well Bino has certainly been a huge factor in Fausts recruitment. These guys are very reliable for the most part. But its bball recruiting so well see, obviously he hasn't decided quite yet.
Quote from: MarkCharles on July 27, 2010, 01:33:23 PM
What are the reasons your insiders are saying this? Is it the new recruiter MD just hired? Are these people reliable?
Yes, can we please get back to the actual topic.
i am pretty sure i saw faust on campus this morning, could be wrong though. does anybody know if he is visiting?
Should probably stick a surveillance camera in the Broken Yolk. Bound to frequent that joint if on campus along with the 2020 building.
Fausts team is at AAU Nationals in Orlando right now.
nick faust is so fast he can run from milwaukee to orlando in the duration of a fart.
Quote from: dmjt4160 on July 28, 2010, 11:12:04 AM
Fausts team is at AAU Nationals in Orlando right now.
Sure that didn't conclude with the E1 T1 vs St. Louis championship game last night?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on July 28, 2010, 01:53:07 PM
Sure that didn't conclude with the E1 T1 vs St. Louis championship game last night?
Baltimore Elite was actually bounced on the first day so yea Faust could be at Marquette now.
Quote from: dmjt4160 on July 28, 2010, 05:46:16 PM
Baltimore Elite was actually bounced on the first day so yea Faust could be at Marquette now.
Colleges can't make contact with players at this point under NCAA guidelines since it's an Evaluation Period. I suppose Faust could travel to Marquette and set up a campus tour like a non-athletic prospect, but he couldn't talk with anyone regarding athletics.
Quote from: TedBaxter on July 28, 2010, 06:26:43 PM
Colleges can't make contact with players at this point under NCAA guidelines since it's an Evaluation Period. I suppose Faust could travel to Marquette and set up a campus tour like a non-athletic prospect, but he couldn't talk with anyone regarding athletics.
Ahh good point. He has visited Marquette already right? I highly doubt he would go out there again if theres going to be no contact with coaches or anything. Might as well just wait a week or two until you can take an unofficial there and have the whole staff present.
What's the latest on Faust? Is Maryland the front runner?
Hes visiting Louisville on September 4th along with a host of other top 50 talents.
As I said earlier in the thread nearly every "source" in Baltimore believe he is already done to Maryland.
Quote from: dmjt4160 on August 16, 2010, 11:26:17 AM
As I said earlier in the thread nearly every "source" in Baltimore believe he is already done to Maryland.
Says the Maryland fan...
What difference does it make who I am a fan of?
Im not posting my opinion on the matter, I am simply telling you that everyone in Baltimore with a read on his recruitment thinks he is MD bound. Im sorry if you don't like the info.
Quote from: dmjt4160 on August 16, 2010, 01:32:11 PM
What difference does it make who I am a fan of?
Im not posting my opinion on the matter, I am simply telling you that everyone in Baltimore with a read on his recruitment thinks he is MD bound. Im sorry if you don't like the info.
Just curious. If everybody in Md. thinks he is a lock for them, why has he not yet announced/committed? If he is still taking visits, then that suggests he has not made up his mind.
Quote from: willie warrior on August 16, 2010, 02:00:28 PM
Just curious. If everybody in Md. thinks he is a lock for them, why has he not yet announced/committed? If he is still taking visits, then that suggests he has not made up his mind.
Could be. Some kids also like to use up their full allotment of official visits to solidify their decision, or just to have fun. There have been more than a few kids that have come and said they knew where they wanted to go but took all 5 trips anyway.
Quote from: willie warrior on August 16, 2010, 02:00:28 PM
Just curious. If everybody in Md. thinks he is a lock for them, why has he not yet announced/committed? If he is still taking visits, then that suggests he has not made up his mind.
Thats what several have been asking. Kids often have their minds made up awhile before they announce. For one I know if I was him and I was offered a free trip to Louisville to watch a rivalry college football game, tour a brand new state of the art arena, and be courted for a weekend I would go regardless of how interested I was. During the summer kids often don't commit out of allegiance to their teammates and AAU coaches as big time prospects bring coaches to their teams games and give lesser known players a chance to get noticed. Maybe he wants to hold a little press conference thing at his school. Maybe hes 95% sure but figures it doesn't hurt to take a couple officials and make sure.
If I were a recruit I would take every single official. So who knows. Certainly possible he commits to UL on his visit or that he drags it out into the Spring. If thats the case it isn't good for either MD or MU.
I'd especially go to UL. Pitino is sure to be serving up the poontang.
Quote from: ZiggysFryBoy on August 16, 2010, 02:59:23 PM
I'd especially go to UL. Pitino is sure to be serving up the poontang.
I think you'd fit in better at Tennessee. The waitresses at the Waffle House don't shave their legs.
Quote from: GOMU1104 on August 16, 2010, 12:52:41 PM
Says the Maryland fan...
Says the Maryland fan who is likely correct.
Quote from: ZiggysFryBoy on August 16, 2010, 02:59:23 PM
I'd especially go to UL. Pitino is sure to be serving up the poontang.
Yeah--that is a big benny--poontang on the restaurant table--Italian style--only problem is that Pitino will be dining on the best and the players will get the leftovers.
Quote from: The Golden Avalanche on August 16, 2010, 03:55:31 PM
Says the Maryland fan who is likely correct.
I would have no problem if Faust chose Maryland over MU, for various reasons:
-Hes from Baltimore
-Their Williams is more established and has a better history than our Williams
-The influence of Bino Ranson
-Maryland needs a guard like Faust more than MU does. There will be more PT available there.
I would not be shocked at all if he chooses Maryland...but to say it is a done deal right now may be a little bit of a strech. Things change constantly in recruiting.
Quote from: GOMU1104 on August 16, 2010, 04:38:05 PM
I would have no problem if Faust chose Maryland over MU, for various reasons:
-Hes from Baltimore
-Their Williams is more established and has a better history than our Williams
-The influence of Bino Ranson
-Maryland needs a guard like Faust more than MU does. There will be more PT available there.
I would not be shocked at all if he chooses Maryland...but to say it is a done deal right now may be a little bit of a strech. Things change constantly in recruiting.
All valid points, and let's not forget what the Maryland fan
actually said.
Quote from: dmjt4160 on August 16, 2010, 11:26:17 AMAs I said earlier in the thread nearly every "source" in Baltimore believe he is already done to Maryland.
He didn't say it's a done deal, he didn't even say he thought it was a done deal, he said that the locals believe it's a done deal. Just like all the people who have said JP Tokoto to North Carolina is a done deal, or Vander Blue to Wisconsin was a done deal. Until a player is signed, it's not a done deal. Let's not crucify the messenger who hasn't tried to confirm it as done.
Faust is no longer taking that trip to Louisville. Hes currently setting up in homes and will only take 3 officials.
Quote from: dmjt4160 on August 18, 2010, 09:41:53 PM
Faust is no longer taking that trip to Louisville. Hes currently setting up in homes and will only take 3 officials.
I'm assuming Maryland...but the others?
They have in-homes set up with Oregon State, Florida State, Maryland and Marquette. Everyone else is battling for the final two in-homes. Those visits will decide which 3 officials he will take.
GOMU, how about we delete that post of yours!
No need to point out reasons to go elsewhere!
Of all the ridiculous posts on this board the past couple months...I'm the one that gets called out.
Not calling out, just sayin, I am sure Gary Williams can recruit just fine on his own. Wasn't trying to offend you.
With regard to the absurd posts... Why waste time commenting on posts that are ridiculous? This subject is actually interesting.
ESPN updated their ranking for '10, '11 and '12.
Faust #16
Quote from: GOMU1104 on August 19, 2010, 03:10:18 PM
Of all the ridiculous posts on this board the past couple months...I'm the one that gets called out.
I didn't mean to call you out, just agreeing that you had good points, and defending the Maryland fan that isn't coming on here to rile us up but rather to update us on what he's hearing in that neck of the woods on the kid's recruitment :)
Quote from: GOMU1104 on August 19, 2010, 03:10:18 PM
Of all the ridiculous posts on this board the past couple months...I'm the one that gets called out.
Quite thin skin, young lad.
Things are always a little soft in August.
For somebody who has seen this kid play, does he beat out any of the returning
players in 2011? Pretty strong squad coming back.