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TedBaxter

And Ransom landed Marquette target Jordan Latham for Xavier and Latham happened to be a high school teammate of Faust's.
If You Aren't All In For Marquette Basketball, Move On

dmjt4160

Also Bino recruiting to MD is different than Bino recruiting to Xavier.

NersEllenson

#52
Don't know much about Bino Ransom - other than what y'all have posted here.  Probably a tough recruiting battle to win against Faust's home-state school - and if he is deeply connected with Bino Ransom for some time.  The only point I'd say that might be relevant is does a kid commit due to his liking of an assistant coach - or head coach?  As we've seen in the case when Tom Crean left - his recruits - though recruited largely by assistant coaches - wanted out of their LOI's when Crean left MU.

My 2 cents is a kid ultimately chooses a school due to the head coach, then conference affiliation/location, then assistant coach (recruiting guru).  So the way I see this is: does Faust like Buzz much better than Gary Williams - for MU to overcome the geographic "negative?"
"I'm not sure Cadougan would fix the problems on this team. I'm not even convinced he would be better for this team than DeWil is."

BrewCity77, December 8, 2013

ErickJD08

Quote from: Ners on July 19, 2010, 09:49:24 AM
Don't know much about Bino Ransom - other than what y'all have posted here.  Probably a tough recruiting battle to win against Faust's home-state school - and if he is deeply connected with Bino Ransom for some time.  The only point I'd say that might be relevant is does a kid commit due to his liking of an assistant coach - or head coach?  As we've seen in the case when Tom Crean left - his recruits - though recruited largely by assistant coaches - wanted out of their LOI's when Crean left MU.

My 2 cents is a kid ultimately chooses a school due to the head coach, then conference affiliation/location, then assistant coach (recruiting guru).  So the way I see this is: does Faust like Buzz much better than Gary Williams - for MU to overcome the geographic "negative?"

Recruiting is like anything in life.  It's different for every person.  Did you like a movie for the acting, script, action, hot chicks, etc.?  Did you like the restaurant because its good value, awesome food, location, service, etc.?  There are dozens of reasons that will lean a kid one way or another.  Maybe he wants to get the heck out of the east coast.  Maybe he likes the coach.  Maybe he likes the chicks.  Maybe he wants PT.  Maybe he wants a solid class to come in with and play with.  Maybe there is tampering.  Who knows.  No matter how you read into it, its always a guessing game.
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BCHoopster

Just maybe he wants to go to school away from home?  The only concern I have is playing time, but
all the high level kids think they are so good, it will not matter, but there is competition now, before
no.  I do not see any frosh getting much time in 2 years, the line-up:

Otule
Crowder
Wilson
DJO
Cadougan

Not even sure Vander will start??  Still have Williams, Smith and Jones as subs. 
Pretty deep without any new recruits!

ErickJD08

Quote from: BCHoopster on July 19, 2010, 03:56:00 PM
Just maybe he wants to go to school away from home?  The only concern I have is playing time, but
all the high level kids think they are so good, it will not matter, but there is competition now, before
no.  I do not see any frosh getting much time in 2 years, the line-up:

Otule
Crowder
Wilson
DJO
Cadougan

Not even sure Vander will start??  Still have Williams, Smith and Jones as subs. 
Pretty deep without any new recruits!

I am not sure about playing time.  I think alot of coaches use the same line.  "If you are good enough, you will play."  Top recruits do not shy away from UNC, UK, Duke, Syracuse, etc.  If playing time was that big of a deal, why hasn't MU seen a quality big in 10 years?  Top recruits know they will get PT because they know they are that good.  Top recruits going to a school with PT are just one and done.  Mediocre players that know they can get buried look for PT.  I could be way off but from the 4 years that I have actually paid attention to recruiting, playing time seems to be something many bring up but doesn't make any sense when looking at the blue chip destinations.
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NersEllenson

Quote from: ErickJD08 on July 19, 2010, 03:35:25 PM
Recruiting is like anything in life.  It's different for every person.  Did you like a movie for the acting, script, action, hot chicks, etc.?  Did you like the restaurant because its good value, awesome food, location, service, etc.?  There are dozens of reasons that will lean a kid one way or another.  Maybe he wants to get the heck out of the east coast.  Maybe he likes the coach.  Maybe he likes the chicks.  Maybe he wants PT.  Maybe he wants a solid class to come in with and play with.  Maybe there is tampering.  Who knows.  No matter how you read into it, its always a guessing game.

Good point - though the previous poster was pointing out that due to Faust's ties with Ransom..he might be a Maryland lean..my counter point to that was that the head coach/legacy of a high-major program probably has more to do with where a recruit signs, than does an assistant coach.  All other factors you mention certainly are part of the mix...
"I'm not sure Cadougan would fix the problems on this team. I'm not even convinced he would be better for this team than DeWil is."

BrewCity77, December 8, 2013

Lennys Tap

Quote from: BCHoopster on July 19, 2010, 03:56:00 PM
Just maybe he wants to go to school away from home?  The only concern I have is playing time, but
all the high level kids think they are so good, it will not matter, but there is competition now, before
no.  I do not see any frosh getting much time in 2 years, the line-up:

Otule
Crowder
Wilson
DJO
Cadougan

Not even sure Vander will start??  Still have Williams, Smith and Jones as subs. 
Pretty deep without any new recruits!

I understand your concern about playing time. In the past the only way MU even makes the final 5 on a player like this is with an immediate starting position to offer. Be happy those days are over.

NersEllenson

Quote from: Lennys Tap on July 19, 2010, 04:36:23 PM
I understand your concern about playing time. In the past the only way MU even makes the final 5 on a player like this is with an immediate starting position to offer. Be happy those days are over.

Very astute point....
"I'm not sure Cadougan would fix the problems on this team. I'm not even convinced he would be better for this team than DeWil is."

BrewCity77, December 8, 2013

MarquetteNation

On one hand, we may begin to lose a few recruits by no longer being able to "guarantee" immediate playing time.  On the other, the opportunity for a top recruit to BOTH contribute immediately and play on a team with surrounding talent may be easier to sell at marquette than some of the powerhouses where contributing immediately may be more difficult to do.  Ofcourse, this excludes the one-and-dones who will be able to play anywhere right away.

jfmu

anyone heard anything recently?

MUfan12

Quote from: jfmu on July 21, 2010, 10:49:32 PM
anyone heard anything recently?

He's gonna take his official visits apparently. So it might wait until fall.

NersEllenson

Quote from: MUfan12 on July 21, 2010, 10:54:30 PM
He's gonna take his official visits apparently. So it might wait until fall.

Can you imagine how much energy and effort are put into recruiting a player..and maybe the anxiety that goes along with it from a coaches perspective?  It has to be a roller coaster of emotions - probably for the recruit too, of course...but at least the recruit is in ultimate control.

Can you imagine courting a girl for 2-4, 5 years...and then get ditched to have her go date your arch rival?  Gotta have a thick skin to be in the recruiting game for sure.  And lots of patience.  I hope Faust lands at MU.  He's guaranteed to develop as a player and a person...the testimony of Matthews and Hayward certainly applies.
"I'm not sure Cadougan would fix the problems on this team. I'm not even convinced he would be better for this team than DeWil is."

BrewCity77, December 8, 2013

HouWarrior

We need to go Goethe this Faust before some (blue) Devil steals his soul

Mephistopheles Univ has already offered

Let's hope, as Faust faces his "Gretchenfrage" , he chooses the "gott" , of MU, by signing his NLI, in blood.

We can be sure the NLI will be mutually honored...no one would dare renege on a Faustian pact-- for fear of consequences far beyond NCAA purgatory.

If you understand  des Pudels Kern of this post, let me know--lol
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MUSF

Quote from: houwarrior on July 22, 2010, 03:47:16 PM
We need to go Goethe this Faust before some (blue) Devil steals his soul

Mephistopheles Univ has already offered

Let's hope, as Faust faces his "Gretchenfrage" , he chooses the "gott" , of MU, by signing his NLI, in blood.

We can be sure the NLI will be mutually honored...no one would dare renege on a Faustian pact-- for fear of consequences far beyond NCAA purgatory.

If you understand  des Pudels Kern of this post, let me know--lol

NERDS!!!!

Lennys Tap

Quote from: houwarrior on July 22, 2010, 03:47:16 PM
We need to go Goethe this Faust before some (blue) Devil steals his soul

Mephistopheles Univ has already offered

Let's hope, as Faust faces his "Gretchenfrage" , he chooses the "gott" , of MU, by signing his NLI, in blood.

We can be sure the NLI will be mutually honored...no one would dare renege on a Faustian pact-- for fear of consequences far beyond NCAA purgatory.

If you understand  des Pudels Kern of this post, let me know--lol

Exhibit A in defense of an MU liberal arts education. I Love this post.

bilsu

A really good team can result in a freshmen getting playing time, because they are routing teams. Eric Williams last year got very little playing time, because MU was in too many close games, which than makes it look like Buzz will not play you as a freshmen. A player that is not going to start might actually see more playing time with the better team.

MarquetteNation

Good point but there is a difference between playing time and actually contributing. 

bilsu

I wonder how much Eric actually felt he contributed last year. I would think most players equate the amount of playing time with contributing.

nyg

http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebasketballnation/post/_/id/13588/maryland-hires-local-recruiting-ringer

This will help Maryland in the recruitment of Faust.  Gary Williams was losing all the Baltimore kids due to the oversight of AD Yow, who just left for NC State. 

esotericmindguy

Quote from: houwarrior on July 22, 2010, 03:47:16 PM
We need to go Goethe this Faust before some (blue) Devil steals his soul

Mephistopheles Univ has already offered

Let's hope, as Faust faces his "Gretchenfrage" , he chooses the "gott" , of MU, by signing his NLI, in blood.

We can be sure the NLI will be mutually honored...no one would dare renege on a Faustian pact-- for fear of consequences far beyond NCAA purgatory.

If you understand  des Pudels Kern of this post, let me know--lol

Can you repeat the part about the things.

HouWarrior

Quote from: nyg on July 23, 2010, 02:39:54 PM
http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebasketballnation/post/_/id/13588/maryland-hires-local-recruiting-ringer

This will help Maryland in the recruitment of Faust.  Gary Williams was losing all the Baltimore kids due to the oversight of AD Yow, who just left for NC State. 
true--unless this ringer was AAU coach of Faust--which disqualifies Faust for Maryland, under the relatively recent ncaa ban on quid pro package recruitings/hiring deals (a former tactic of Calipari, at memphis)
I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.

Dawson Rental

Quote from: houwarrior on July 23, 2010, 03:11:12 PM
true--unless this ringer was AAU coach of Faust--which disqualifies Faust for Maryland, under the relatively recent ncaa ban on quid pro package recruitings/hiring deals (a former tactic of Calipari, at memphis)

..and then last year some bozo from Memphis came on our board and said that we were out of luck because we could no longer hire Tarik Black's HS coach in order to get him to commit to us, totally oblivious to the fact that this standard Memphis recruiting tactic had yet to be employed here at Marquette.
You actually have a degree from Marquette?

Quote from: muguru
No...and after reading many many psosts from people on this board that do...I have to say I'm MUCH better off, if this is the type of "intelligence" a degree from MU gets you. It sure is on full display I will say that.

Marquette84

Quote from: LittleMurs on July 25, 2010, 11:36:26 PM
totally oblivious to the fact that this standard Memphis recruiting tactic had yet to be employed here at Marquette.

In fairness to houwarrior, we hired Scott Monarch and his player Jimmy Butler committed shortly thereafter.  Not saying that this was an obvious quid pro quo, as Buzz and Monarch had previous ties.  However, I don't believe we were on Butler's radar screen (even though his teammate Fulce had committed to us) until Monarch's name surfaced as a potential assistant.

http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=8716.msg71899



Skatastrophy

Quote from: Marquette84 on July 26, 2010, 03:00:41 PM
In fairness to houwarrior, we hired Scott Monarch and his player Jimmy Butler committed shortly thereafter.  Not saying that this was an obvious quid pro quo, as Buzz and Monarch had previous ties.  However, I don't believe we were on Butler's radar screen (even though his teammate Fulce had committed to us) until Monarch's name surfaced as a potential assistant.

http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=8716.msg71899

Saying that Buzz and Monarch had previous ties is understating their relationship.  Monarch had been one of Buzz's assistants at UNO.

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