I was listening to Homer after the game, they broadcast Buzz's postgame press conference..
At the very end, I think Rosiak asked a question, I couldn't hear it .. but Buzz said he was really mad about something, that he could make Mike Broeker and his wife mad if he said anything .. he wasn't being funny, he sounded really pissed.
What was the topic?
Whose Mike Broeker?
I wondered the same thing. Anyone???
On tv as soon as Buzz finished his tv interview, Broeker came up to Buzz and said something to him. If you go back on ESPN360 you may be able to read lips.
Somebody was talking to Buzz about something immediately after his on-court interview and it looked like they were giving him instructions of some sort. Was that Broeker?
Quote from: TallTitan34 on March 10, 2010, 04:28:05 PM
On tv as soon as Buzz finished his tv interview, Broeker came up to Buzz and said something to him. If you go back on ESPN360 you may be able to read lips.
He's the free throw coach...
MU Deputy AD
I wondered as well. I am guessing that maybe it was the play when i think djo drove and they called a foul that was non-shooting. not sure as i was in and out watching at work.
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on March 10, 2010, 04:28:29 PM
Somebody was talking to Buzz about something immediately after his on-court interview and it looked like they were giving him instructions of some sort. Was that Broeker?
Yeah that was Broeker.
I saw that guy who looked like he was lecturing Buzz. Nice way to celebrate a victory two minutes after. way to throw a wet towel on things
Yes, that was Broeker talking with Buzz after the game.
I just watched it. He said, "I know, I know. Just leave it to me."
Can't imagine what it was about.
Rosiak asked Buzz about the play with DJO, where he was fouled and the refs were going to give him 2 shots. Refs discussed it and said he was passing and not shooting.
Buzz was not happy.
The question was about whether Buzz thought DJO should have been shooting foul shots after his drive to the basket. If you remember he lined up to shoot the throws and the officials changed the call to a non shooting foul after Roberts complained. At the end of the day, Coobie made the three to put us ahead by two immediately after that. A much better result than DJO shooting 2 free throws.
Here is the link for Broeker
http://www.gomarquette.com/athletic-dept/marq-staff-bio-broeker.html
That's what he was mad about? Putting DJO on the line was a horrible call...the refs got it right!
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on March 10, 2010, 04:23:39 PM
but Buzz said he was really mad about something, that he could make Mike Broeker and his wife mad if he said anything .. he wasn't being funny, he sounded really pissed.
Knowing how detail oriented Buzz is, somebody probably wouldn't let him in the building with his clear glass water bottle, and it just ruined his whole day. I love the guy, but I can see simple things setting him off.
Yea...just rewatched it on Espn 360...he was definately passing. I think he is more upset about them switching it.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on March 10, 2010, 04:43:05 PM
Knowing how detail oriented Buzz is, somebody probably wouldn't let him in the building with his clear class water bottle, and it just ruined his whole day. I love the guy, but I can see simple things setting him off.
Yeah, I agree. I remember something earlier in the game when two of the refs seemed to get pissed at Buzz (this was after a loose ball out of bounds in front of SJU bench) and got on him about something. Maybe that's where the frustration originated from.
Quote from: Doris Burkes Thong on March 10, 2010, 04:46:38 PM
Yeah, I agree. I remember something earlier in the game when two of the refs seemed to get pissed at Buzz (this was after a loose ball out of bounds in front of SJU bench) and got on him about something. Maybe that's where the frustration originated from.
Actually, much of the press conference was odd.
Buzz spent a good deal of time talking about how he was criticized as a coach, not having players practice FT's (odd since MU choked down the stretch), etc, and seemed angry overall. He seems very sensitive to what is said and written about him.
I think it's funny when coaches talk aobut how they don't even know what their record is, they don't read the newspaper or watch the t.v. sports shows, and you know they do.
Here's the link. You can watch it online.
http://www.bigeast.org/ViewArticle.dbml?&&&DB_OEM_ID=19400&ATCLID=204889542
Has anyone thought to ask Rosiak? Maybe he'll include it in his game recap.
Quote from: gumbyandpokey on March 10, 2010, 04:50:05 PM
Actually, much of the press conference was odd.
Buzz spent a good deal of time talking about how he was criticized as a coach, not having players practice FT's (odd since MU choked down the stretch), etc, and seemed angry overall. He seems very sensitive to what is said and written about him.
Not odd at all. Very complimentary of SJU, Roberts, his players and Villanova.
Upset about the call and rightly so. We as fans have been complaining all year about the lack of consistency of officiating and it looks like Buzz has had it.
Good for him.
Having watched it, I must say ... huh? What's all the fuss about?
Buzz seemed neither particularly angry nor odd.
Quote from: gumbyandpokey on March 10, 2010, 04:50:05 PM
Actually, much of the press conference was odd.
Buzz spent a good deal of time talking about how he was criticized as a coach, not having players practice FT's (odd since MU choked down the stretch), etc, and seemed angry overall. He seems very sensitive to what is said and written about him.
I didn't think it was that odd either. I think your anti-Buzz bias is clouding your judgement.
I just watched the press conference. It did get a little odd and it's very apparent he's reading these boards...or having somebody report to him what is written.
So...if you're reading this Buzz...PRN is in your corner!! Practicing FTs is a waste of practice time!! I love what you're doing at the end of games!
The call reversal was not made by the game refs--but by the auxiliary ref at the scorer's table--who happens to be the ND ref who blew his temper at Buzzer and T'ed him up. Breeding. Buzz thought it was not his call to reverse...and there is bad blood there.
That said, with the game on the line, it is better to get the call right--and they did. Broeker's job is to deal with the politcs.
I think Buzz likes playing the underdog card...and thrives off of it...his post game press conference was fine, actually quite informative, entertaining, and enjoyable. He wasn't whiney. Just stating facts about some people questioning his coaching, that the team doesn't shoot free throws, etc....I'll take the candor, versus canned responses anyday. Bottom line, as another team's fans and media said: "That guy sounds like a coach, and is what a coach should sound like." (Seton Hall fan board/media).
Quote from: gumbyandpokey on March 10, 2010, 04:50:05 PM
Actually, much of the press conference was odd.
Buzz spent a good deal of time talking about how he was criticized as a coach, not having players practice FT's (odd since MU choked down the stretch), etc, and seemed angry overall. He seems very sensitive to what is said and written about him.
Gumby...when you ask yourself everyday, why does my life suck?? Look no further than the mirror. Thank you.
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on March 10, 2010, 05:23:51 PM
I just watched the press conference. It did get a little odd and it's very apparent he's reading these boards...or having somebody report to him what is written.
So...if you're reading this Buzz...PRN is in your corner!! Practicing FTs is a waste of practice time!! I love what you're doing at the end of games!
I've mentioned a few times that I think he does read the boards. Oh, and Buzz, for the record, I'm with you on FTs too. In fact, it's just a vocal minority (read: chicos) that likes to harp on it.
buzz williams eats success for breakfast, with skim milk
Anyone know what Buzz was so angry about from the last question by Rosiak?
If I heard Todd say, "Talk about the play...?" I'm assuming he was talking about the DJO pass/shot controversy. That ref at the table wearing the black jacket with white stripes on sleeve did look familiar. Another poster pointed out that was the ref from the ND game.
There is NO reason that guy should be making calls from where he is sitting. If that's the case that he reversed that call, that is absolutely assanine and he needs to turn his card in right away.
Quote from: Ners on March 10, 2010, 05:33:56 PM
Gumby...when you ask yourself everyday, why does my life suck?? Look no further than the mirror. Thank you.
Nerd,
I'm sure MU and Buzz appreciate the brown-nosing and shilling you do for them.
Keep drinking the Gold kool-aid.
Scott Kuykendal monitors scoop for sure. He contacted us at MUTV last year after we started posting here as we launched mutvsports.com.
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on March 10, 2010, 04:33:34 PM
I just watched it. He said, "I know, I know. Just leave it to me."
Can't imagine what it was about.
Who said, "I know, I know"? Buzz or Broeker?
The fact that it was Breeding had everything to do with Buzz's reaction, that I am certain about.
The call was correct, but Breeding again had to make it about himself. Still some bad blood left from Saturday, and rightfully so. The guy is a hack and should not be reffing at this level.
Buzz was mad about the reversal---although the correct call it should not have happened. Buzz was mentioning not wanting to say anything because he did not want to get fined for bad-mouthing a ref, even if the ref was and is a complete ass-hat.
Quote from: MUfan12 on March 10, 2010, 06:40:29 PM
The fact that it was Breeding had everything to do with Buzz's reaction, that I am certain about.
The call was correct, but Breeding again had to make it about himself. Still some bad blood left from Saturday, and rightfully so. The guy is a hack and should not be reffing at this level.
I think this is right. After watching the video, I don't think Buzz was odd, he was, as he said "mad" and he's clearly mad at someone, not the Asst. AD, perhaps a ref. The answer may lie in the question Todd asked, which I could not hear. If it's true Breeding is the guy from MU vs ND game, no question he's out to hose MU. He was terrible in that game.
Quote from: classof70 on March 10, 2010, 06:38:30 PM
Who said, "I know, I know"? Buzz or Broeker?
Broeker...as if he knew what Buzz was about to say. It wasn't a heated discussion or anything. Just looked like Broeker tried to get him before he went into the press conference
Quote from: Fullodds on March 10, 2010, 07:01:50 PM
Buzz was mad about the reversal---although the correct call it should not have happened. Buzz was mentioning not wanting to say anything because he did not want to get fined for bad-mouthing a ref, even if the ref was and is a complete ass-hat.
They said on 360 when it happened, that those calls are "reviewable to a point." My guess is that the aux ref has every right to counsel the regular refs in that situation. If Buzz doesn't like it, because of Saturday or not, it is completely irrelevant and he needs to learn to deal with it.
Quote from: Ners on March 10, 2010, 05:33:56 PM
Gumby...when you ask yourself everyday, why does my life suck?? Look no further than the mirror. Thank you.
(http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg50/DKowalsky2/th_Screenshot2010-03-10at74614PM.png)
Believe me, you'll feel much better about your MUScoop experience. ;)
From other lands: The reason Buzz was ticked, not from them reviewing the call/getting it right, but DJO was prepared to shoot until the "fourth" official, who cannot make rulings on the floor, gave his input and caused the change. And by the way, it's the same d-bag who T'ed Buzz up against Notre Dame.
Dr. Blackheart, thanks for bringing clarity to this issue. That makes complete sense! I wasn't sure why Buzz was so pissed, but clearly there are still hard feelings from Saturday. I still can't believe that turn of events... Burr gets hit with a pass to keep the ball inbounds, Zar called for a foul and then Buzz T'd up. Way to quick of a trigger for that T!
The call was reviewed and they correctly changed it. HOWEVER, The 4th official at the scorer's table made the call, and that is not allowed. The 4th official is only there to watch the shot clock and take over if one of the on-court officials is unable to continue
Quote from: gumbyandpokey link=topic=19135.msg193817#msg193817 date=1268267042
Keep drinking the Gold kool-aid.
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Hmmm. Where does one get such kool-aid? I'm thirsty.
I can get you some of the gold kool-aid gumby
gumby = abe
Quote from: chapman on March 10, 2010, 07:57:55 PM
From other lands: The reason Buzz was ticked, not from them reviewing the call/getting it right, but DJO was prepared to shoot until the "fourth" official, who cannot make rulings on the floor, gave his input and caused the change. And by the way, it's the same d-bag who T'ed Buzz up against Notre Dame.
If that's the case, Breeding needs to be given the Mike Kitts treatment and sent home for the season. This guy is out of control.
I would not be surprised if we have Breeding for the game tomorrow (or the next time we see him) that Buzz gets ejected. Not necessarily for any conduct on Buzz's part, but because of Breeding's out of control ego.
Quote from: Ners on March 10, 2010, 05:30:52 PM
I'll take the candor, versus canned responses anyday. Bottom line, as another team's fans and media said: "That guy sounds like a coach, and is what a coach should sound like." (Seton Hall fan board/media).
But does he pass the "eye test"?
Quote from: downtown85 on March 10, 2010, 04:54:00 PM
Here's the link. You can watch it online.
http://www.bigeast.org/ViewArticle.dbml?&&&DB_OEM_ID=19400&ATCLID=204889542
BETTER link:
http://www.bigeast.org/newMediaPlayer/sl/console.htm?id=697048&oemid=19400&type=vod&CLIP_ID=688012&DB_OEM_ID=19400&SPSID=&SPID=&DB_MENU_ID=&CLIP_FILE_ID=697048
Rosiak confirmed what we were all thinking... Buzz was upset about Breeding interjecting. Although, I have yet to see any confirmation on the 4th official's authority. Is the NCAA official's manual available online somewhere? I'd like to know:
1) Does the fourth official have the right to give input to the 3-man crew in matters not involving the shot clock, possession arrow, 5th foul, ior other calls that are naturally made from the scorer's table?
2) If so, can the fourth official "speak if not spoken to," in a "non-scorer's table" situation? In other words, can he only give input if asked or can he actually instigate a conference amongst the officials?
The NCAA rulebook is online. But the rulebook doesn't cover every officiating procedure. For instance, USA Hockey publishes a "Situation Manual" for officials that covers just about every possible game situation and the correct interpretation for odd scenarios not covered explicitly by the rulebook or officiating manuals. Does the NCAA have such a publication? (bma?)
Quote from: rocky_warrior on March 10, 2010, 05:38:08 PM
I've mentioned a few times that I think he does read the boards. Oh, and Buzz, for the record, I'm with you on FTs too. In fact, it's just a vocal minority (read: chicos) that likes to harp on it.
free throw harping? As in practicing them? I don't believe I've said anything about that in ages...not sure what harping you are talking about
Quote from: Benny B on March 11, 2010, 08:39:24 AM
The NCAA rulebook is online. But the rulebook doesn't cover every officiating procedure. For instance, USA Hockey publishes a "Situation Manual" for officials that covers just about every possible game situation and the correct interpretation for odd scenarios not covered explicitly by the rulebook or officiating manuals. Does the NCAA have such a publication? (bma?)
They do have, or at least they used to. As of Tuesday, it's no longer linkable from their site. You have to register and they send you a pdf. I've done so, but don't have access to the file right now, so I don't know if they have anything in there about that situation.
Quote from: 77ncaachamps on March 11, 2010, 01:23:15 AM
BETTER link:
http://www.bigeast.org/newMediaPlayer/sl/console.htm?id=697048&oemid=19400&type=vod&CLIP_ID=688012&DB_OEM_ID=19400&SPSID=&SPID=&DB_MENU_ID=&CLIP_FILE_ID=697048
I actually thought Buzz handled that pretty well.
Three things that I took from that presser...
1. Was Buzz wearing one of those calculator watches that were popular in the 80's?
2. Was Buzz drinking Sweet Tea or Cola?
3. Was he joking when he mentioned hypnotizing his players so they could make free throws?
Our video recap at MUTV includes Coach Williams' comments: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_TAVNEQOCs
I read this guy Broeker's bio and I have to say he's not that distinquished. In fact, the Siena heritage makes me wonder if he is a Mike Deane legacy?
I thought Buzz handled that with an incredible amount of class. You could tell that he was holding back. He is certainly a straight shooter, but can tell when enough is enough. I'd like to hear what he thought about the call, off camera.
Quote from: GuamanianTerror on March 11, 2010, 09:37:30 AM
I read this guy Broeker's bio and I have to say he's not that distinquished. In fact, the Siena heritage makes me wonder if he is a Mike Deane legacy?
I would like to hear about his hiring process!!
Quote from: muballer10 on March 11, 2010, 09:41:04 AM
I thought Buzz handled that with an incredible amount of class. You could tell that he was holding back. He is certainly a straight shooter, but can tell when enough is enough. I'd like to hear what he thought about the call, off camera.
Agreed. Also I'm glad Buzz waited until after the game to get mad rather than when it happened as a T would have pretty much sank us at that point. Great job to hold it in.
Who knows? Maybe the fourth ref would have T'd him up from the scorers table haha.
Do we know what officials will be working today's game, or do they not annouce that until they run out of the tunnel?
I would be a little worried about additional retaliation towards Buzz from a certain footlocker employee.
I know a fair amount of D2/D3 officials. I'll ask some of them if they have a college "case book" and if so if they could forward it to me.
Quote from: BrewCity on March 11, 2010, 11:27:09 AM
I would like to hear about his hiring process!!
Broeker actually is a former NBA marketing guy that goes back to the Crean days (he was brought in around 2004). Rumor was it from some people that Crean had pushed Broeker for the AD job hard prior to Cottingham. Believe that Broeker is now more or less in charge of all the sales/marketing for the athletic department and is the primary media contact for men's basketball.