FREE THROWS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Pathetic effort, embarrassing.
Worst loss of all-time. Seriously.
Gawddammit!
BIGGEST win for DePaul EVER.
This is the worst loss I have ever seen by an MU team to a disaster of a team
If they keep playing this black eyed peas song I am gonna freaking flip out
Deserve to lose
This team has no balls. Nice guys all around... just no guys that know how to win.
At least we'll get a home game...in the NIT.
Worst loss ever. Absolutely an embarrassment. I love Buzz, but playing Acker and Cubillian together has got to stop.
We lost for one reason, missed free throws AGAIN
At least we will finally be on sportscenter in the morning...
On to next year. I had an outside hope we might have a chance for a bid but this is a BAD loss, game, set, match. Unexplainable.
Quote from: GuyIncognito on January 20, 2010, 10:11:36 PM
At least we will finally be on sportscenter in the morning...
lol ouch that hurts.
Quote from: mugrack on January 20, 2010, 10:04:43 PM
Deserve to lose
+10000
Played way to lax from the get go.
This was a trap game and we fell for it. Now, a major road win will be necessary.
Quote from: Rocco on January 20, 2010, 10:09:35 PM
Worst loss ever. Absolutely an embarrassment. I love Buzz, but playing Acker and Cubillian together has got to stop.
Acker and Cubillan played almost all their minutes together.
By the way, that was Acker's man that made the last two baskets for DePaul.
Depaul lost 24 conference games in a row--BUT WHUPPED OUR ASS!
UNACCEPTABLE!!!!!!!!!Agree that Buzz has no clue in close games.
And why does he play the two smallest guys on the team at the same time?
NIT here we come.
Quote from: AlienWarrior on January 20, 2010, 10:16:29 PM
This was a trap game and we fell for it. Now, a major road win will be necessary.
Teams that are 11th, 12th in a conference have no business having trap games. Stop using that term.
Rebuilding team of overachievers. I'd be surprised if many of you didn't see this as a potential outcome at all. I mean come on, we can't finish down the stretch, and we are a young, small and inexperienced team. Sucks to lose to these games, but things happen.
There is NOTHING that can save this year after that abortion of a game. Like everyone else, I had no confidence when Lazar stepped to the line with a four point lead. Not because of Lazar, but because of the trend. Even less confidence with Cubes. Can someone get ice water in their veins or at loosen their sphincter?
Looks like I picked the wrong week to stop sniffing glue...
Can anyone on this team finish? or climax?
Maybe Buzz should insert Frozen A at the end of games just for free throw shooting. Hell, it's worth a try.
I am beginning to wonder if it is a rebuilding year for the coaching staff as well. You can blame the close losses on missed free throws or lucky shots by the other team, but at some point, you have to question the coaching.
In all seriousness, I do wonder whether Buzz can coach in the pinch. Bad luck can only explain so much. Every play after a timeout seems to end in a turnover or wild shot. Not sure what to make of it?
Quote from: willie warrior on January 20, 2010, 10:18:46 PM
Acker and Cubillan played almost all their minutes together.
By the way, that was Acker's man that made the last two baskets for DePaul.
Depaul lost 24 conference games in a row--BUT WHUPPED OUR ASS!
UNACCEPTABLE!!!!!!!!!
Agree that Buzz has no clue in close games.
And why does he play the two smallest guys on the team at the same time?
NIT here we come.
The shots they hit were prayers, and Acker almost knocked the ball away right before that. No one came through--Butler missed layups, Hayward got no looks, DJO was off tonight, Buycks turned it over, we didn't get key rebounds, FREE THROWS. One of those nights, but it sure would have been nice to sneak away with a win.
Quote from: Rollout-the-Barrel on January 20, 2010, 10:23:23 PM
Looks like I picked the wrong week to stop sniffing glue...
Looks like I picked the wrong week to
quit start amphetamines.. this was all just a hallucination right?
Quote from: warriorfred on January 20, 2010, 10:24:48 PM
I am beginning to wonder if it is a rebuilding year for the coaching staff as well. You can blame the close losses on missed free throws or lucky shots by the other team, but at some point, you have to question the coaching.
In all seriousness, I do wonder whether Buzz can coach in the pinch. Bad luck can only explain so much. Every play after a timeout seems to end in a turnover or wild shot. Not sure what to make of it?
Saying Buzz is the worst coach in the clutch is the same as saying MU is (was) the best three point shooting team in the country. Just looking at what the numbers say. Numbers might not tell the whole story, but they don't lie either.
Buzz can't put the ball in the hoop for these kids. At the end if there were people I wanted to shoot free throws, they were on the court. They were the seniors guys that were supposed to make them in these situations. It's too bad they didn't
I went to the game, and there were a lot more people there than I thought there would be, and they were cheering. DePaul played very well in the second half, and we played a lousy game from all aspects the entire game. Can't hang this one on Buzz - the seniors were on the line when the game counted; everyone missed a ton of shots; layups (the few that we had) rolled around and out; we played a bad, bad game against a bad team that hit two unbelieveable shots at the end; we missed out on some critical rebounds.
With .7 seconds left, we had little chance to pull it out, but Buzz tried. Lazar took the ball out in the far corner as DePaul put in theirhuge guy to defend agains the long ball; Cubbie sneaked in and screened the in bound defender and Lazar ran the baseline, and the defender, as desinged by Buzz, ran over Cubbie. Could have been a call, but there wasn't - don't get many of those, but it was definitely a great attempt.
Teams win, teams lose. Our team lost - they lost the game.
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Agree with Daniel above. Foul could have been called on the guy running over Coobie, or on the guys fouling Jimmy on the receiving end of the pass. We weren't going to get either of those, but the play wasn't bad. In fact, as I stated earlier tonight, this one is on the players. I always felt that Buzz was trying to impose focus and assume leadership but the class was asleep.
Also, it was Buycks I'm pretty sure, not Acker, that was guarding Stovall for his last 2 bombs. In fact Acker had just swiped the ball away from his man, #11 Kelly. Stovall is listed at 6'-5" and is kind of burly. It was a tough assignment for Buycks who looked like he was more afraid of fouling his man on the last shot than playing in-his-shirt defense. Buycks has been defending against forwards all year. And he's been toasted.
Hey guys, all I can say is THANKS. It's good to have such nice neighbors to the North.
You got sucked into our slo-mo, no-mo offense. Tennessee almost fell for it. Northern Iowa did. We still can't shoot well, but it also holds our opponents down as well.
BTW, Buzz was really sick. He was coughing up a lung. Kept a cup at the table and repeatedly would cough up something and spit into it. Kinda gross.
Right in front of me too.
Hey, on that final trap play, Buzz should tell the ref to watch for it. He'd have more of a tendency to call a foul if he knew of it. But, the refs let the play go.
Quote from: dpu70 on January 21, 2010, 12:26:48 AM
Hey guys, all I can say is THANKS.
You're welcome. I guess ::)
to ALL you MU fans that said we would kill this HORRIBLE depaul team------ you got what YOU want you a-holes.... go celebrate now. fing bad lossss
Quote from: KipsBayEagle on January 20, 2010, 10:10:11 PM
We lost for one reason, missed free throws AGAIN
We did not lose for one reason. That was the capper, but the main reason we lost was because of our crappy offensive execution against their defense. They were constantly switching screens up top which limited our penetration. In the second half, we never dumped it into Lazar or Butler.
Cuse's zone is gonna kill us.
One-possession games to top 15 teams are one thing - THIS is a season killer.
Quote from: damuts222 on January 20, 2010, 10:04:21 PM
This is the worst loss I have ever seen by an MU team to a disaster of a team
How long have you been a Warrior fan? 2 years?
Quote from: damuts222 on January 20, 2010, 10:04:21 PM
This is the worst loss I have ever seen by an MU team to a disaster of a team
Is this worse than the SF loss last year?
We were 9-0 in the BEAST, had more talent and more experienced players.
QuoteIs this worse than the SF loss last year?
Yes South Florida last year is not near as bad as DePaul was last night w/o Koshwal. They had pretty much one player in Walker that we had to watch on offense. The guys should have regrouped at halftime and came out and closed out the game in the first ten minutes of the 2nd half.
When that didn't happen it gave DePaul confidence and what fans they had there were almost mockingly excited
Maine, North Dakota St, USF.....lots of losses worse than this one.
I have watched MU for 7 years, and I'm not arguing but I believe it was the worst loss I have seen.
QuotePer Rosiak
Rosemont, Ill. -- Where did that one rank in the pantheon of tough Marquette University losses for you?
Considering the fact the DePaul Blue Demons entered Wednesday night having lost 24 consecutive Big East games, were playing without their best player in Mac Koshwal and for an interim coach who wasn't even on staff last season, you've probably got to put MU's 51-50 loss at Allstate Arena right at the top of the list.
At the beginning of the season I knew we were a young team and some of the joys and frustrations that come along with being young and talented (although, at the beginning of the season I didn't realize how talented we are) is you win some games you maybe shouldn't and you lose some games you should win.
Quote from: warriorfred on January 20, 2010, 10:24:48 PM
In all seriousness, I do wonder whether Buzz can coach in the pinch. Bad luck can only explain so much. Every play after a timeout seems to end in a turnover or wild shot. Not sure what to make of it?
Good point. I hate to say this because I am a Buzz fan but when we lose so many games in the last few minutes that to me points to poor coaching. But he is a young coach coaching a young team.
QuoteBy the way, that was Acker's man that made the last two baskets for DePaul.
That definitely wasn't Mo's man that made the last 2 shots. I was actually impressed by Mo's D in the last few minutes.
I have to believe good things are coming...just not maybe as soon as I would like.
Would you all please chill.
This was an inexperienced team, playing well against good teams. What happened last night happens to inexperienced teams.
The SF loss last year was much worse. That was a 9-0 top 10 (or close to it) team.
We have had worse losses by better MU teams. ND State and SF are just two. 7 years is no time frame to be judging all time losses Junior.
How about 1978 first round NCAA loss to Miami of Ohio? We were defending NCAA Champs and returned 4 starters. If I ever get near Peter Pavia I'll kill him.
Quote7 years is no time frame to be judging all time losses Junior.
Worst loss "I" have seen. Did I say the worst loss of all time. Please read.
QuoteI have watched MU for 7 years, and I'm not arguing but I believe it was the worst loss I have seen.
I'm just stating my opinion. I'm sure there have been worse losses before my time.
Quote from: damuts222 on January 21, 2010, 09:17:32 AM
Worst loss "I" have seen. Did I say the worst loss of all time. Please read.
I'm just stating my opinion. I'm sure there have been worse losses before my time.
OK, sorry. I'm over-reacting to the overall tone of the day.
I don't like getting in spats when I realize that you are just taking the loss in your perspective and mine my own. Many people are overreacting as if we are a top 5 team in the Big East, yes we lost it happens. DePaul was bad no doubt about it but Buzz is still a good coach, we still have talent, our free throw shooting as a team is good but not down the stretch, paint touches were non existant yada yada.
This is part of a learning process for many of our first-time Big Easters, and Buzz will have them ready Saturday no doubt.
Quote from: Daniel on January 20, 2010, 11:07:10 PM
I went to the game, and there were a lot more people there than I thought there would be, and they were cheering. DePaul played very well in the second half, and we played a lousy game from all aspects the entire game. Can't hang this one on Buzz - the seniors were on the line when the game counted; everyone missed a ton of shots; layups (the few that we had) rolled around and out; we played a bad, bad game against a bad team that hit two unbelieveable shots at the end; we missed out on some critical rebounds.
With .7 seconds left, we had little chance to pull it out, but Buzz tried. Lazar took the ball out in the far corner as DePaul put in theirhuge guy to defend agains the long ball; Cubbie sneaked in and screened the in bound defender and Lazar ran the baseline, and the defender, as desinged by Buzz, ran over Cubbie. Could have been a call, but there wasn't - don't get many of those, but it was definitely a great attempt.
Teams win, teams lose. Our team lost - they lost the game.
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Here's where I see the double standard. I have ZERO doubt that this loss would be hung on the coach by other posters in other years.
Even if they had called last-second foul, we would have missed the free throws. That kind of night in that kind of season.
Wow, I could not disagree with you more.
None of those losses compare to this one in my opinion. ND State was a good team, beat Wisconsin at the Kohl Center (almost no one does that) and the following year beat us. They had success that year, going 20-8. They beat Princeton, beat UWGB, lost to Texas Tech by 4, lost to Colorado State by 2 points.
USF has some talent last year and it's a tough place to play, they actually won 4 games in conference and lost several others by only a few points (WVU by 3, Syracuse by 5, Rutgers by 3)....oh, and they swept DePaul as well. That's how bad DePaul is.
Even Maine had some success that year they beat us.
DePaul hadn't won a conference game in TWO #$%&^#$ YEARS!! And DePaul isn't just winless during that time, they are getting ass hammered in the process.
I honestly don't see how those other losses even come close to comparing to this loss. DePaul is THAT BAD.
This is a team that lost to Providence the other day by 17 POINTS AT HOME...the team we just beat by 30...the team that supposedly is coached by someone that doesn't have a clue (Keno Davis). This is a team that lost to American University on their home court. A team that lost to Florida Gulf Coast University. Their smallest margin of defeat in conference was 13 points....St. John's beat them by 20.
Everybody knows that Chicos is loving this, right?
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on January 21, 2010, 11:43:04 AM
Here's where I see the double standard. I have ZERO doubt that this loss would be hung on the coach by other posters in other years.
I agree with you 100%....
BUT...
At some point, me, you, and everybody here is going to have to get over TC and all of the associated drama (we love him, we hate him, we loved him until he left, he's too tan, his ego is too big, he wastes money, he didn't donate to the soccer stadium, he recruited Christopherson, etc. etc.)
I've wasted a lot of time pointing out the "double standard" in various threads, but, at the end of the day, it really doesn't matter.
People who "like" Buzz are going to give him the benefit of the doubt. People who "dislike" Crean will use everything against him to illustrate why they don't like him.
Chico's, we agree on a lot of stuff... and at some point we're probably going to have to let this stuff slide... otherwise we're just going to keep beating our heads against a wall... and I'm not really sure it's doing anything. People already have their minds made up, and there's no changing it.
Quote from: mu-rara on January 21, 2010, 01:14:54 PM
Everybody knows that Chicos is loving this, right?
Right.
Quote from: 2002mualum on January 21, 2010, 01:27:54 PM
I agree with you 100%....
BUT...
At some point, me, you, and everybody here is going to have to get over TC and all of the associated drama (we love him, we hate him, we loved him until he left, he's too tan, his ego is too big, he wastes money, he didn't donate to the soccer stadium, he recruited Christopherson, etc. etc.)
I've wasted a lot of time pointing out the "double standard" in various threads, but, at the end of the day, it really doesn't matter.
People who "like" Buzz are going to give him the benefit of the doubt. People who "dislike" Crean will use everything against him to illustrate why they don't like him.
Chico's, we agree on a lot of stuff... and at some point we're probably going to have to let this stuff slide... otherwise we're just going to keep beating our heads against a wall... and I'm not really sure it's doing anything. People already have their minds made up, and there's no changing it.
My problem with you (2002 and Chicos) is that you defend TC unconditionally. I thought TC was a huge upgrade but in the end I don't miss him. Recruiting was too inconsistent. If he does well at IU, great.
I have not embraced Buzz for the long term. That will be a couple of years out.
I am pleased with his recruiting, so far, and how hard the guys play. I have beefs with some tactics from time to time but I am pleased with overall game coaching. This year has been a pleasant surprise so far.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on January 21, 2010, 12:03:56 PM
Wow, I could not disagree with you more.
None of those losses compare to this one in my opinion. ND State was a good team, beat Wisconsin at the Kohl Center (almost no one does that) and the following year beat us. They had success that year, going 20-8. They beat Princeton, beat UWGB, lost to Texas Tech by 4, lost to Colorado State by 2 points.
USF has some talent last year and it's a tough place to play, they actually won 4 games in conference and lost several others by only a few points (WVU by 3, Syracuse by 5, Rutgers by 3)....oh, and they swept DePaul as well. That's how bad DePaul is.
Even Maine had some success that year they beat us.
DePaul hadn't won a conference game in TWO #$%&^#$ YEARS!! And DePaul isn't just winless during that time, they are getting ass hammered in the process.
I honestly don't see how those other losses even come close to comparing to this loss. DePaul is THAT BAD.
This is a team that lost to Providence the other day by 17 POINTS AT HOME...the team we just beat by 30...the team that supposedly is coached by someone that doesn't have a clue (Keno Davis). This is a team that lost to American University on their home court. A team that lost to Florida Gulf Coast University. Their smallest margin of defeat in conference was 13 points....St. John's beat them by 20.
I hate getting into where this ranks as a loss, but how can you ignore the fact that when MU lost to USF and ND State we were ranked TOP 10 IN THE COUNTRY. Right now most people don't even rank us top 10 in the Big East. Those were far bigger upsets.
Also, DePaul has showed some signs of life this year. Yes they have had some bad losses, but note that the 13 point loss was at Pitt in a game when they were down only 5 in the last few minutes. They also beat #22 Northern Iowa and took Tennessee (pre-suspensions) down the the final minute. I know DePaul has had injuries and there was no excuse for that loss but this is not as big an upset as people make it sound.
Quote from: mu-rara on January 21, 2010, 01:44:04 PM
My problem with you (2002 and Chicos) is that you defend TC unconditionally. I thought TC was a huge upgrade but in the end I don't miss him. Recruiting was too inconsistent. If he does well at IU, great.
I have not embraced Buzz for the long term. That will be a couple of years out.
I am pleased with his recruiting, so far, and how hard the guys play. I have beefs with some tactics from time to time but I am pleased with overall game coaching. This year has been a pleasant surprise so far.
Well, let's just be honest about the cycle of life that often occurs around here:
Step One: TC is criticized for something that he did. Sometimes it's legit, sometimes it's not.
Step Two: Chico's/Marquette84/me take the poster to task for ripping the coach for something we feel is insignificant. (Example: Hyperbaric chamber, or color of his hummer, or using a limo to recruit, etc. etc.)
Step Three: Repeat.
Over the course of 3 years, we get labeled as "defenders" when in reality our "love" for TC probably isn't any greater than most. We're just not so quick to rip the guy.
You can go back and read my posts after he left. I didn't defend anything. My comments weren't as pointed as some, but I certainly wasn't defending the guy.
Also, I've made similar posts like this (clarifying my position) in the past as well.
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=9770.msg85627#msg85627
I don't think Tom Crean is "St. TOM", but I also don't feel like he deserves to be ripped for every move he makes or made.
To be honest, I treat TC just like I'm treating Buzz. I try to be objective about what I'm seeing, and I also give the coach the benefit of the doubt because I believe he knows what he is doing.
Losing to DePaul is obviously a bad, bad loss. Piss poor. Embarrassing...particularly if you live in Chicago. But in the last 10 years...I'd say losing by 47 points at Louisville, when we couldn't bring the ball past half court...that was a more embarrassing loss. Quite frankly, I was also more embarrassed when we were absolutely slaughtered by Kansas in New Orleans...trailing by nearly 30 points at half time. Let me repeat: We were down 30 points at halftime!! Think about that for a second.
Both games were broadcast nationally.
How about Western Michigan? How about the St. Louis game in 2005 when we scored all of 39 points? How about the game against Kenyon Martin and Cincinnati when we were trailing something like 37-5!
So yes, this loss is embarrassing. But consider DePaul is a desperate squad, threw in a phenomenal shot, we had a let down, but it happens.
It is NOT the worse loss in 25 years or whatever some of you people are claiming.
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on January 21, 2010, 02:31:48 PM
Losing to DePaul is obviously a bad, bad loss. Piss poor. Embarrassing...particularly if you live in Chicago. But in the last 10 years...I'd say losing by 47 points at Louisville, when we couldn't bring the ball past half court...that was a more embarrassing loss. Quite frankly, I was also more embarrassed when we were absolutely slaughtered by Kansas in New Orleans...trailing by nearly 30 points at half time. Let me repeat: We were down 30 points at halftime!! Think about that for a second.
Both games were broadcast nationally.
How about Western Michigan? How about the St. Louis game in 2005 when we scored all of 39 points? How about the game against Kenyon Martin and Cincinnati when we were trailing something like 37-5!
So yes, this loss is embarrassing. But consider DePaul is a desperate squad, threw in a phenomenal shot, we had a let down, but it happens.
It is NOT the worse loss in 25 years or whatever some of you people are claiming.
+1, and I'd say that the loss to ND state or whatever hurt a lot more... This loss sucks, but its just a loss. This team wasn't supposed to be world beaters.
Honestly, for me, the loss to Tulsa in the tourney a few years back hurt worse than any other loss that I can remember.
Quote from: 2002mualum on January 21, 2010, 02:27:19 PM
Well, let's just be honest about the cycle of life that often occurs around here:
Step One: TC is criticized for something that he did. Sometimes it's legit, sometimes it's not.
Step Two: Chico's/Marquette84/me take the poster to task for ripping the coach for something we feel is insignificant. (Example: Hyperbaric chamber, or color of his hummer, or using a limo to recruit, etc. etc.)
Step Three: Repeat.
Over the course of 3 years, we get labeled as "defenders" when in reality our "love" for TC probably isn't any greater than most. We're just not so quick to rip the guy.
You can go back and read my posts after he left. I didn't defend anything. My comments weren't as pointed as some, but I certainly wasn't defending the guy.
Also, I've made similar posts like this (clarifying my position) in the past as well.
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=9770.msg85627#msg85627
I don't think Tom Crean is "St. TOM", but I also don't feel like he deserves to be ripped for every move he makes or made.
To be honest, I treat TC just like I'm treating Buzz. I try to be objective about what I'm seeing, and I also give the coach the benefit of the doubt because I believe he knows what he is doing.
While we're being "honest" let's talk about what happened in this thread. The discussion has centered around what a bad loss this was. Everyone agreed it was a terrible loss. The opinions range from bad to worst ever (ridiculous as that is). Some say the team sucks. Some say the coach sucks. Some say both suck. Nowhere is there even a MENTION of Tom Crean until Chicos complains that those acting reasonably about it wouldn't be as reasonable if Crean was still the coach. And after the highjack you agree 100% and further say that Step One in these discussions is somebody says something bad about Crean. Except when nobody has even mentioned Crean and Step One is Chicos imagining what people would say (with ZERO doubt since he's a mind reader) if TC was still our coach.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on January 21, 2010, 03:27:10 PM
While we're being "honest" let's talk about what happened in this thread. The discussion has centered around what a bad loss this was. Everyone agreed it was a terrible loss. The opinions range from bad to worst ever (ridiculous as that is). Some say the team sucks. Some say the coach sucks. Some say both suck. Nowhere is there even a MENTION of Tom Crean until Chicos complains that those acting reasonably about it wouldn't be as reasonable if Crean was still the coach. And after the highjack you agree 100% and further say that Step One in these discussions is somebody says something bad about Crean. Except when nobody has even mentioned Crean and Step One is Chicos imagining what people would say (with ZERO doubt since he's a mind reader) if TC was still our coach.
Totally fair. I apologize for the thread hi-jack.
MU RA RA, we can take this discussion to PM if you want to continue further.
Chico's, I agree with you about the double standard, but we might have to quit beating that drum as it's probably just creating more frustration and animosity.
Lenny's is right that this thread was hijacked.
Quote from: mu-rara on January 21, 2010, 01:14:54 PM
Everybody knows that Chicos is loving this, right?
Yeah, I'm thrilled. There is nothing better than losing to one of our rivals when they are as bad as this. Hip hip, hooray. Hip hip, hooray.
Quote from: mu-rara on January 21, 2010, 01:44:04 PM
My problem with you (2002 and Chicos) is that you defend TC unconditionally. I thought TC was a huge upgrade but in the end I don't miss him. Recruiting was too inconsistent. If he does well at IU, great.
I have not embraced Buzz for the long term. That will be a couple of years out.
I am pleased with his recruiting, so far, and how hard the guys play. I have beefs with some tactics from time to time but I am pleased with overall game coaching. This year has been a pleasant surprise so far.
The problem is that I or anyone else doesn't defend him unconditionally. In fact, I'm stupefied to understand why you and others keep saying that.
Have I said over and over and over again that he was a pain in the ass to work for? Is that a defense? It is unconditional?
Have I said over and over and over again that he was an arrogant jerk? Is that a defense? It is unconditional?
Have I said over and over and over again that his end of game management sucked? Is that a defense? It is unconditional?
I could go on.....bringing a certain assistant coach on board that had ZERO business being part of MU. Too many transfers. Bending over and scheduling UWM. Etc, etc.
There is nothing unconditional about it, you guys choose to read only certain things....why, it's beyond me, but that's what you have compartmentalized.
On the flip side, for the same reason I'm not going to get on my knees and polishing up the gums for Buzz either. He has done a nice job, so far. He's also walked into a situation that has been spectacular for someone with such a short resume. The good news is that he has not screwed it up. The better news is that he seems to be flourishing. I, of course, believe many other coaches could have done this as well, but I'm happy the guy we hired IS DOING THIS.
The last thing I want is for him to fail because all it does is set MU back a number of years. Why people can't get this through their skulls is beyond me. You don't wish for someone to fail if they are coaching your team UNLESS their is clearly no way to pull out of it (i.e. DePaul fans with Wainright). But that isn't the case, so I want him to succeed because the alternative sucks for all of us.
Speaking of all this...is Mr. Hayward alive? I worry for him, seriously, I am worried about his health after last night.
Quote from: Jacks DC on January 21, 2010, 02:17:07 PM
I hate getting into where this ranks as a loss, but how can you ignore the fact that when MU lost to USF and ND State we were ranked TOP 10 IN THE COUNTRY. Right now most people don't even rank us top 10 in the Big East. Those were far bigger upsets.
Also, DePaul has showed some signs of life this year. Yes they have had some bad losses, but note that the 13 point loss was at Pitt in a game when they were down only 5 in the last few minutes. They also beat #22 Northern Iowa and took Tennessee (pre-suspensions) down the the final minute. I know DePaul has had injuries and there was no excuse for that loss but this is not as big an upset as people make it sound.
Yes, and this current team is receiving votes. I look at it from the perspective of how good the opponent is. ND State was a good team that year. USF, that was a terrible loss. I would say Buzz's worst loss of his career until last night. But DePaul is so much worse than any of those teams, it's hard for me to say that it isn't the worst loss in many years.
Look, I'm not Todd Rosiak, but I'm pretty sure he put it at the top of his list as well.
You do realize this is a DePaul team that lost 6 in a row, 9 of their last 11 with their only wins against UIC and Texas State. Including losses to Florida Gulf Coast University and American University.
They are ranked 190th in the Pomeroy rankings
South Florida was 135th last year
ND State was ranked 127th the year we lost to them
Those are big differences
Quote from: Lennys Tap on January 21, 2010, 03:27:10 PM
While we're being "honest" let's talk about what happened in this thread. The discussion has centered around what a bad loss this was. Everyone agreed it was a terrible loss. The opinions range from bad to worst ever (ridiculous as that is). Some say the team sucks. Some say the coach sucks. Some say both suck. Nowhere is there even a MENTION of Tom Crean until Chicos complains that those acting reasonably about it wouldn't be as reasonable if Crean was still the coach. And after the highjack you agree 100% and further say that Step One in these discussions is somebody says something bad about Crean. Except when nobody has even mentioned Crean and Step One is Chicos imagining what people would say (with ZERO doubt since he's a mind reader) if TC was still our coach.
Let's also be honest that I rarely do this and when someone else typically brings him into a thread, you are NEVER NEVER NEVER there to say a damn word about it.
Seeing as you're being honest about it and all....
So when you get all hot and bothered about the hijacking, for once in your life as THREAD COP could apply the same standard (ooops....there's that double standard thing again....imagine that). When I see that, I'll be quite surprised and shocked since I've never seen it in the past from you. Just being honest and all.
I brought it up to show the blatant double standard that has been on this board for quite some time. Every loss in the past was on the coach, every loss nowadays seems to be on the players. Strange. ::) In one case, the coach prior was responsible for the Haitian earth quake but the current one has no culpability toward anything.
Buzz should change his name to Teflon
To this day I'll never understand how people were embarrassed about a team that went to the Final Four. A non-BCS school, a team no expert picked to go to the Final Four, a team that humiliated the Number 1 team in the country, beat another top 5 team two days earlier, beat another top 25 team the week prior, won the conference title, etc.
Definitely something to be embarrassed about. Just wow
5 posts in a row Chicos, that may be a new record.
I'd say around half of your posts are you defending yourself from a good amount of people here. :)
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on January 21, 2010, 05:42:12 PM
To this day I'll never understand how people were embarrassed about a team that went to the Final Four. A non-BCS school, a team no expert picked to go to the Final Four, a team that humiliated the Number 1 team in the country, beat another top 5 team two days earlier, beat another top 25 team the week prior, won the conference title, etc.
Definitely something to be embarrassed about. Just wow
Can you do a quick search and see if you can find somebody...anybody....anywhere...claiming they were embarrased of the Final Four team? That'd be great...thanks.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on January 21, 2010, 05:38:28 PM
Let's also be honest that I rarely do this and when someone else typically brings him into a thread, you are NEVER NEVER NEVER there to say a damn word about it.
Seeing as you're being honest about it and all....
So when you get all hot and bothered about the hijacking, for once in your life as THREAD COP could apply the same standard (ooops....there's that double standard thing again....imagine that). When I see that, I'll be quite surprised and shocked since I've never seen it in the past from you. Just being honest and all.
I brought it up to show the blatant double standard that has been on this board for quite some time. Every loss in the past was on the coach, every loss nowadays seems to be on the players. Strange. ::) In one case, the coach prior was responsible for the Haitian earth quake but the current one has no culpability toward anything.
Buzz should change his name to Teflon
Look, 2002 said that these arguments about Crean invariably begin with someone attacking TC. I just pointed out that in this thread that wasn't the case. He agreed. No big deal. Case closed. Until your post. And the anger, distortion and hyperbole.
Chicos -- When are you going to understand that people didn't dislike Crean because of his coaching...it was because he was a phony, fake tanning, sycophantic horse's ass!! People don't criticize Buzz as much because they like him and want him to do well!!
Seriously, why can't you grasp that?
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on January 21, 2010, 07:37:06 PM
Can you do a quick search and see if you can find somebody...anybody....anywhere...claiming they were embarrased of the Final Four team? That'd be great...thanks.
Did you forget you posted this earlier today?
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on January 21, 2010, 02:31:48 PM
Quite frankly, I was also more embarrassed when we were absolutely slaughtered by Kansas in New Orleans...trailing by nearly 30 points at half time. Let me repeat: We were down 30 points at halftime!! Think about that for a second.
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on January 21, 2010, 09:32:40 PM
Chicos -- When are you going to understand that people didn't dislike Crean because of his coaching...it was because he was a phony, fake tanning, sycophantic horse's ass!! People don't criticize Buzz as much because they like him and want him to do well!!
Seriously, why can't you grasp that?
Exactly. We held our collective noses and rooted like crazy for him because we love Marquette. And we're happy we don't have to hold our noses anymore.
One way to move on from this embaraasing loss stuff (and it definitely was a huge embarassing loss) would be to whup Syracuse. I am all for that, and then most of us can get over the embarass stuff.
Having said that, I don't believe that a 2 point loss to Syracuse would be sufficient.
The team definitely must bounce back from the Depaul Debacle.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on January 21, 2010, 08:05:28 PM
Look, 2002 said that these arguments about Crean invariably begin with someone attacking TC. I just pointed out that in this thread that wasn't the case. He agreed. No big deal. Case closed. Until your post. And the anger, distortion and hyperbole.
Lennys, I completely agree with you here.
But, to be fair, about 8 hours after you posted this, another thread was hijacked with anti-crean stuff.
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=17484.msg172751#msg172751
So, while this thread was redirected by Chico's and me (admittedly, that was a mistake), there have been a lot of threads redirected by others, and it took a very short time for another one to come up.
I'm not going to post in that thread because then I'll have to retain my title of "blind defender".
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on January 21, 2010, 09:32:40 PM
Chicos -- When are you going to understand that people didn't dislike Crean because of his coaching...it was because he was a phony, fake tanning, sycophantic horse's ass!! People don't criticize Buzz as much because they like him and want him to do well!!
Seriously, why can't you grasp that?
I am glad Crean is gone because recruiting was spotty. About every third year was OK ( or better ). I was unhappy about him signing a 10 year contract and bailing after 2. Gutless. He knew that he could not maintain the program. Nothing to do with the personality issues.
I always appreciated Crean for what he did. I thought he was a liar when he left and have proven that to be true with his bs timeline as to the Indiana job offer, negotiations, telling MU and his players. No big deal today.
Lately though, I have heard from people I trust with good information about why TC was excited to get out of town when he did. Let's just say that he was ready for a new start away from Milwaukee and when Indiana opened up it was a good time to run away from Mequon (more than Marquette).
The good news is that Buzz has done a good job and we can all enjoy MU basketball whether TC is here or Buzz or the next coach.
Yep, people are anxious to run away from The Quon every day. Did he bone the mayor (Mequon has a female mayor) in his $1.5 mil. house or something?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on January 22, 2010, 11:36:50 AM
Yep, people are anxious to run away from The Quon every day. Did he bone the mayor (Mequon has a female mayor) in his $1.5 mil. house or something?
I've always wondered....Do Quonians actually call it the Quon, or is that derogatory nasty outsiders calling it The Quon
Never actually heard it referred to as The Quon in any "official" manner. However, many jokingly connotate the suburb in that way, especially teenagers. Similar, I guess, to living in the Hood, as opposed to neighhood.
Shorewood=Snorewood
Whitefish Bay=Whitefolks Bay
Fox Point=Lox Point
Bayside=Bagelside
Quote from: 4everwarriors on January 22, 2010, 12:51:41 PM
Never actually heard it referred to as The Quon in any "official" manner. However, many jokingly connotate the suburb in that way, especially teenagers. Similar, I guess, to living in the Hood, as opposed to neighhood.
Shorewood=Snorewood
Whitefish Bay=Whitefolks Bay
Fox Point=Lox Point
Bayside=Bagelside
Now now, the preferred version is and always has been Shoreweed, not Snorewood.
you guys forgot:
Waukesha = The Sha
Wauwautosa = Tosa
West Allis = Stallis.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on January 22, 2010, 01:19:54 PM
you guys forgot:
Waukesha = The Sha
Wauwautosa = Tosa
West Allis = Stallis.
What about Franklin and West Allis? Or my favorite, Peewaukee
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on January 21, 2010, 09:32:40 PM
Chicos -- When are you going to understand that people didn't dislike Crean because of his coaching...it was because he was a phony, fake tanning, sycophantic horse's ass!! People don't criticize Buzz as much because they like him and want him to do well!!
Seriously, why can't you grasp that?
Seriously, how do you really feel???