COVID-19 (f/k/a "the Coronavirus")

[Uncle Rico]

ok retired "journalist" if you are going to use these models to project the rest of the american population being vaccinated, well retired explains a lot.  maybe tired is more like it. 

   100% is everyone, eyn'a?  it ain't gonna happen even if they have free ice cream, a free bouncy on uncle joey's lap, or a hair sniff and pet his dog, ya ain't gonna see 100%

What if we let them grab them by the p*ssy?

[pacearrow02]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.onlineathens.com/amp/5745397001

Over 90% vaccinated and program is seeing its worst spike.  Seems like from the article all the positive cases are amongst the vaccinated too, not the handful % of unvaccinated.

[pacearrow02]

https://mobile.twitter.com/R_H_Ebright/status/1435053515785662464

Ahhh, it seems there’s a good chance Fauci lied under oath.  Hard to argue after reading this that the NIH wasn’t actively involved and help fund the very gain of function research that led to creation of C19 that he told Congress they had nothing to do with.

[Pakuni]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.onlineathens.com/amp/5745397001

Over 90% vaccinated and program is seeing its worst spike.  Seems like from the article all the positive cases are amongst the vaccinated too, not the handful % of unvaccinated.

Wait ... are you suggesting that vaccinated people can still get the virus, especially when in close contact with the unvaccinated?



Honestly, what's your point? (If you have one)

[TSmith34, Inc.]

Appears there are consequences when you are the least vaccinated state--for the unvaccinated and vaccinated alike.

Idaho enacts crisis hospital care standards amid COVID surge

"BOISE, Idaho (AP) — Idaho public health leaders activated “crisis standards of care” for the state’s northern hospitals because there are more coronavirus patients than the institutions can handle.

The Idaho Department of Health and Welfare quietly enacted the move Monday and publicly announced it in a statement Tuesday morning — warning residents that they may not get the care they would normally expect if they need to be hospitalized.

“Crisis standards of care is a last resort. It means we have exhausted our resources to the point that our healthcare systems are unable to provide the treatment and care we expect,” Idaho Department of Health and Welfare Director Dave Jeppesen said in a statement.

He added: “This is a decision I was fervently hoping to avoid. The best tools we have to turn this around is for more people to get vaccinated and to wear masks indoors and in outdoor crowded public places. Please choose to get vaccinated as soon as possible – it is your very best protection against being hospitalized from COVID-19.”


Of course, some "healthcare professionals" say not getting vaccinated is a perfectly reasonable choice. After all, the unvaccinated can just take HCQ and ivermectin to heal themselves, no problem.

[pbiflyer]

Yikes. But being unvaccinated only impacts you. 

A Florida fire chief has died from COVID-19 after the virus sidelined 75 percent of his department last month.

Officials in Lake City said they do not know whether Fire Chief Randy Burnham, who died Sunday after battling the virus for several weeks, had been vaccinated.

Only 33 percent of residents in Columbia County, where Lake City is situated, have been vaccinated, according to the New York Times.

[forgetful]

https://mobile.twitter.com/R_H_Ebright/status/1435053515785662464

Ahhh, it seems there’s a good chance Fauci lied under oath.  Hard to argue after reading this that the NIH wasn’t actively involved and help fund the very gain of function research that led to creation of C19 that he told Congress they had nothing to do with.

Trolls going to troll.

Sealioning.

[pacearrow02]

Wait ... are you suggesting that vaccinated people can still get the virus, especially when in close contact with the unvaccinated?



Honestly, what's your point? (If you have one)

Point is we need to stop counting/worrying about positive cases.  No way we’re moving on from this until we shift focus to hospitalizations and deaths.

[MU82]

Yikes. But being unvaccinated only impacts you. 

A Florida fire chief has died from COVID-19 after the virus sidelined 75 percent of his department last month.

Officials in Lake City said they do not know whether Fire Chief Randy Burnham, who died Sunday after battling the virus for several weeks, had been vaccinated.

Only 33 percent of residents in Columbia County, where Lake City is situated, have been vaccinated, according to the New York Times.

Don't worry ... DeSantis is on it!

Even as we speak, he is hastily putting together a way to take away women's reproductive rights while blaming immigrants at the Texas border and Biden for Florida being Covid Death Central.

[Pakuni]

Point is we need to stop counting/worrying about positive cases.  No way we’re moving on from this until we shift focus to hospitalizations and deaths.

We largely have.

[jesmu84]

Point is we need to stop counting/worrying about positive cases.  No way we’re moving on from this until we shift focus to hospitalizations and deaths.

And which group is currently more likely to encounter hospitalizations and/or death?

[MU Fan in Connecticut]

The New York Times morning newsletter had some interesting summary data.  As we already know: get vaccinated!

By David Leonhardt
Good morning. We explain the exaggerated fears about breakthrough infections.

One in 5,000
The C.D.C. reported a terrifying fact in July: Vaccinated people with the Delta variant of the Covid virus carried roughly the same viral load in their noses and throats as unvaccinated people.

The news seemed to suggest that even the vaccinated were highly vulnerable to getting infected and passing the virus to others. Sure enough, stories about vaccinated people getting Covid — so-called breakthrough infections — were all around this summer: at a party in Provincetown, Mass.; among the Chicago Cubs; on Capitol Hill. Delta seemed as if it might be changing everything.

In recent weeks, however, more data has become available, and it suggests that the true picture is less alarming. Yes, Delta has increased the chances of getting Covid for almost everyone. But if you’re vaccinated, a Covid infection is still uncommon, and those high viral loads are not as worrisome as they initially sounded.

How small are the chances of the average vaccinated American contracting Covid? Probably about one in 5,000 per day, and even lower for people who take precautions or live in a highly vaccinated community.

Or maybe one in 10,000
The estimates here are based on statistics from three places that have reported detailed data on Covid infections by vaccination status: Utah; Virginia; and King County, which includes Seattle, in Washington state. All three are consistent with the idea that about one in 5,000 vaccinated Americans have tested positive for Covid each day in recent weeks.

The chances are surely higher in the places with the worst Covid outbreaks, like the Southeast. And in places with many fewer cases — like the Northeast, as well as the Chicago, Los Angeles and San Francisco areas — the chances are lower, probably less than 1 in 10,000. That’s what the Seattle data shows, for example. (These numbers don’t include undiagnosed cases, which are often so mild that people do not notice them and do not pass the virus to anyone else.)

Here’s one way to think about a one-in-10,000 daily chance: It would take more than three months for the combined risk to reach just 1 percent.

“There’s been a lot of miscommunication about what the risks really are to vaccinated people, and how vaccinated people should be thinking about their lives,” as Dr. Ashish Jha of Brown University told my colleague Tara Parker-Pope. (I recommend Tara’s recent Q. and A. on breakthrough infections.)

For the unvaccinated, of course, the chances of infection are far higher, as Dr. Jeffrey Duchin, the top public-health official in Seattle, has noted. Those chances have also risen much more since Delta began spreading:


Source: Washington State Department of Health
Another way to understand the situation is to compare each state’s vaccination rate with its recent daily Covid infection rate. The infection rates in the least vaccinated states are about four times as high as in the most vaccinated states:

Data as of Sept. 2; cases are the 7-day daily average. The New York Times


If the entire country had received shots at the same rate as the Northeast or California, the current Delta wave would be a small fraction of its current size. Delta is a problem. Vaccine hesitancy is a bigger problem.

The science, in brief
These numbers help show why the talking point about viral loads was problematic. It was one of those statements that managed to be both true and misleading. Even when the size of the viral loads are similar, the virus behaves differently in the noses and throats of the vaccinated and the unvaccinated.

In an unvaccinated person, a viral load is akin to an enemy army facing little resistance. In a vaccinated person, the human immune system launches a powerful response and tends to prevail quickly — often before the host body gets sick or infects others. That the viral loads were initially similar in size can end up being irrelevant.

I will confess to one bit of hesitation about walking you through the data on breakthrough infections: It’s not clear how much we should be worrying about them. For the vaccinated, Covid resembles the flu and usually a mild one. Society does not ground to a halt over the flu.

In Britain, many people have become comfortable with the current Covid risks. The vaccines make serious illness rare in adults, and the risks to young children are so low that Britain may never recommend that most receive the vaccine. Letting the virus continue to dominate life, on the other hand, has large costs.

“There’s a feeling that finally we can breathe; we can start trying to get back what we’ve lost,” Devi Sridhar, the head of the global public health program at the University of Edinburgh, told The Times.

I know that many Americans feel differently. Our level of Covid anxiety is higher, especially in communities that lean to the left politically. And there is no “correct” response to Covid. Different people respond to risk differently.

But at least one part of the American anxiety does seem to have become disconnected from the facts in recent weeks: the effectiveness of the vaccines. In a new ABC News/Washington Post poll, nearly half of adults judged their “risk of getting sick from the coronavirus” as either moderate or high — even though 75 percent of adults have received at least one shot.

In reality, the risks of getting any version of the virus remain small for the vaccinated, and the risks of getting badly sick remain minuscule.

In Seattle on an average recent day, about one out of every one million vaccinated residents have been admitted to a hospital with Covid symptoms. That risk is so close to zero that the human mind can’t easily process it. My best attempt is to say that the Covid risks for most vaccinated people are of the same order of magnitude as risks that people unthinkingly accept every day, like riding in a vehicle.

The bottom line
Delta really has changed the course of the pandemic. It is far more contagious than earlier versions of the virus and calls for precautions that were not necessary a couple of months ago, like wearing masks in some indoor situations.

But even with Delta, the overall risks for the vaccinated remain extremely small. As Dr. Monica Gandhi, an infectious-disease specialist at the University of California, San Francisco, wrote on Friday, “The messaging over the last month in the U.S. has basically served to terrify the vaccinated and make unvaccinated eligible adults doubt the effectiveness of the vaccines.” Neither of those views is warranted.

[JWags85]

The New York Times morning newsletter had some interesting summary data.  As we already know: get vaccinated!

By David Leonhardt
Good morning. We explain the exaggerated fears about breakthrough infections.

One in 5,000
The C.D.C. reported a terrifying fact in July: Vaccinated people with the Delta variant of the Covid virus carried roughly the same viral load in their noses and throats as unvaccinated people.

The news seemed to suggest that even the vaccinated were highly vulnerable to getting infected and passing the virus to others. Sure enough, stories about vaccinated people getting Covid — so-called breakthrough infections — were all around this summer: at a party in Provincetown, Mass.; among the Chicago Cubs; on Capitol Hill. Delta seemed as if it might be changing everything.

In recent weeks, however, more data has become available, and it suggests that the true picture is less alarming. Yes, Delta has increased the chances of getting Covid for almost everyone. But if you’re vaccinated, a Covid infection is still uncommon, and those high viral loads are not as worrisome as they initially sounded.

How small are the chances of the average vaccinated American contracting Covid? Probably about one in 5,000 per day, and even lower for people who take precautions or live in a highly vaccinated community.

Or maybe one in 10,000
The estimates here are based on statistics from three places that have reported detailed data on Covid infections by vaccination status: Utah; Virginia; and King County, which includes Seattle, in Washington state. All three are consistent with the idea that about one in 5,000 vaccinated Americans have tested positive for Covid each day in recent weeks.

The chances are surely higher in the places with the worst Covid outbreaks, like the Southeast. And in places with many fewer cases — like the Northeast, as well as the Chicago, Los Angeles and San Francisco areas — the chances are lower, probably less than 1 in 10,000. That’s what the Seattle data shows, for example. (These numbers don’t include undiagnosed cases, which are often so mild that people do not notice them and do not pass the virus to anyone else.)

Here’s one way to think about a one-in-10,000 daily chance: It would take more than three months for the combined risk to reach just 1 percent.

“There’s been a lot of miscommunication about what the risks really are to vaccinated people, and how vaccinated people should be thinking about their lives,” as Dr. Ashish Jha of Brown University told my colleague Tara Parker-Pope. (I recommend Tara’s recent Q. and A. on breakthrough infections.)

For the unvaccinated, of course, the chances of infection are far higher, as Dr. Jeffrey Duchin, the top public-health official in Seattle, has noted. Those chances have also risen much more since Delta began spreading:


Source: Washington State Department of Health
Another way to understand the situation is to compare each state’s vaccination rate with its recent daily Covid infection rate. The infection rates in the least vaccinated states are about four times as high as in the most vaccinated states:

Data as of Sept. 2; cases are the 7-day daily average. The New York Times


If the entire country had received shots at the same rate as the Northeast or California, the current Delta wave would be a small fraction of its current size. Delta is a problem. Vaccine hesitancy is a bigger problem.

The science, in brief
These numbers help show why the talking point about viral loads was problematic. It was one of those statements that managed to be both true and misleading. Even when the size of the viral loads are similar, the virus behaves differently in the noses and throats of the vaccinated and the unvaccinated.

In an unvaccinated person, a viral load is akin to an enemy army facing little resistance. In a vaccinated person, the human immune system launches a powerful response and tends to prevail quickly — often before the host body gets sick or infects others. That the viral loads were initially similar in size can end up being irrelevant.

I will confess to one bit of hesitation about walking you through the data on breakthrough infections: It’s not clear how much we should be worrying about them. For the vaccinated, Covid resembles the flu and usually a mild one. Society does not ground to a halt over the flu.

In Britain, many people have become comfortable with the current Covid risks. The vaccines make serious illness rare in adults, and the risks to young children are so low that Britain may never recommend that most receive the vaccine. Letting the virus continue to dominate life, on the other hand, has large costs.

“There’s a feeling that finally we can breathe; we can start trying to get back what we’ve lost,” Devi Sridhar, the head of the global public health program at the University of Edinburgh, told The Times.

I know that many Americans feel differently. Our level of Covid anxiety is higher, especially in communities that lean to the left politically. And there is no “correct” response to Covid. Different people respond to risk differently.

But at least one part of the American anxiety does seem to have become disconnected from the facts in recent weeks: the effectiveness of the vaccines. In a new ABC News/Washington Post poll, nearly half of adults judged their “risk of getting sick from the coronavirus” as either moderate or high — even though 75 percent of adults have received at least one shot.

In reality, the risks of getting any version of the virus remain small for the vaccinated, and the risks of getting badly sick remain minuscule.

In Seattle on an average recent day, about one out of every one million vaccinated residents have been admitted to a hospital with Covid symptoms. That risk is so close to zero that the human mind can’t easily process it. My best attempt is to say that the Covid risks for most vaccinated people are of the same order of magnitude as risks that people unthinkingly accept every day, like riding in a vehicle.

The bottom line
Delta really has changed the course of the pandemic. It is far more contagious than earlier versions of the virus and calls for precautions that were not necessary a couple of months ago, like wearing masks in some indoor situations.

But even with Delta, the overall risks for the vaccinated remain extremely small. As Dr. Monica Gandhi, an infectious-disease specialist at the University of California, San Francisco, wrote on Friday, “The messaging over the last month in the U.S. has basically served to terrify the vaccinated and make unvaccinated eligible adults doubt the effectiveness of the vaccines.” Neither of those views is warranted.

Great sentiment and I hope it hits.  Dr Gandhi's tweets were informative and reasonable and still her replies were filled with people calling her reckless and selfish.

[MU82]

The New York Times morning newsletter had some interesting summary data.  As we already know: get vaccinated!

By David Leonhardt
Good morning. We explain the exaggerated fears about breakthrough infections.

One in 5,000
The C.D.C. reported a terrifying fact in July: Vaccinated people with the Delta variant of the Covid virus carried roughly the same viral load in their noses and throats as unvaccinated people.

The news seemed to suggest that even the vaccinated were highly vulnerable to getting infected and passing the virus to others. Sure enough, stories about vaccinated people getting Covid — so-called breakthrough infections — were all around this summer: at a party in Provincetown, Mass.; among the Chicago Cubs; on Capitol Hill. Delta seemed as if it might be changing everything.

In recent weeks, however, more data has become available, and it suggests that the true picture is less alarming. Yes, Delta has increased the chances of getting Covid for almost everyone. But if you’re vaccinated, a Covid infection is still uncommon, and those high viral loads are not as worrisome as they initially sounded.

How small are the chances of the average vaccinated American contracting Covid? Probably about one in 5,000 per day, and even lower for people who take precautions or live in a highly vaccinated community.

Or maybe one in 10,000
The estimates here are based on statistics from three places that have reported detailed data on Covid infections by vaccination status: Utah; Virginia; and King County, which includes Seattle, in Washington state. All three are consistent with the idea that about one in 5,000 vaccinated Americans have tested positive for Covid each day in recent weeks.

The chances are surely higher in the places with the worst Covid outbreaks, like the Southeast. And in places with many fewer cases — like the Northeast, as well as the Chicago, Los Angeles and San Francisco areas — the chances are lower, probably less than 1 in 10,000. That’s what the Seattle data shows, for example. (These numbers don’t include undiagnosed cases, which are often so mild that people do not notice them and do not pass the virus to anyone else.)

Here’s one way to think about a one-in-10,000 daily chance: It would take more than three months for the combined risk to reach just 1 percent.

“There’s been a lot of miscommunication about what the risks really are to vaccinated people, and how vaccinated people should be thinking about their lives,” as Dr. Ashish Jha of Brown University told my colleague Tara Parker-Pope. (I recommend Tara’s recent Q. and A. on breakthrough infections.)

For the unvaccinated, of course, the chances of infection are far higher, as Dr. Jeffrey Duchin, the top public-health official in Seattle, has noted. Those chances have also risen much more since Delta began spreading:


Source: Washington State Department of Health
Another way to understand the situation is to compare each state’s vaccination rate with its recent daily Covid infection rate. The infection rates in the least vaccinated states are about four times as high as in the most vaccinated states:

Data as of Sept. 2; cases are the 7-day daily average. The New York Times


If the entire country had received shots at the same rate as the Northeast or California, the current Delta wave would be a small fraction of its current size. Delta is a problem. Vaccine hesitancy is a bigger problem.

The science, in brief
These numbers help show why the talking point about viral loads was problematic. It was one of those statements that managed to be both true and misleading. Even when the size of the viral loads are similar, the virus behaves differently in the noses and throats of the vaccinated and the unvaccinated.

In an unvaccinated person, a viral load is akin to an enemy army facing little resistance. In a vaccinated person, the human immune system launches a powerful response and tends to prevail quickly — often before the host body gets sick or infects others. That the viral loads were initially similar in size can end up being irrelevant.

I will confess to one bit of hesitation about walking you through the data on breakthrough infections: It’s not clear how much we should be worrying about them. For the vaccinated, Covid resembles the flu and usually a mild one. Society does not ground to a halt over the flu.

In Britain, many people have become comfortable with the current Covid risks. The vaccines make serious illness rare in adults, and the risks to young children are so low that Britain may never recommend that most receive the vaccine. Letting the virus continue to dominate life, on the other hand, has large costs.

“There’s a feeling that finally we can breathe; we can start trying to get back what we’ve lost,” Devi Sridhar, the head of the global public health program at the University of Edinburgh, told The Times.

I know that many Americans feel differently. Our level of Covid anxiety is higher, especially in communities that lean to the left politically. And there is no “correct” response to Covid. Different people respond to risk differently.

But at least one part of the American anxiety does seem to have become disconnected from the facts in recent weeks: the effectiveness of the vaccines. In a new ABC News/Washington Post poll, nearly half of adults judged their “risk of getting sick from the coronavirus” as either moderate or high — even though 75 percent of adults have received at least one shot.

In reality, the risks of getting any version of the virus remain small for the vaccinated, and the risks of getting badly sick remain minuscule.

In Seattle on an average recent day, about one out of every one million vaccinated residents have been admitted to a hospital with Covid symptoms. That risk is so close to zero that the human mind can’t easily process it. My best attempt is to say that the Covid risks for most vaccinated people are of the same order of magnitude as risks that people unthinkingly accept every day, like riding in a vehicle.

The bottom line
Delta really has changed the course of the pandemic. It is far more contagious than earlier versions of the virus and calls for precautions that were not necessary a couple of months ago, like wearing masks in some indoor situations.

But even with Delta, the overall risks for the vaccinated remain extremely small. As Dr. Monica Gandhi, an infectious-disease specialist at the University of California, San Francisco, wrote on Friday, “The messaging over the last month in the U.S. has basically served to terrify the vaccinated and make unvaccinated eligible adults doubt the effectiveness of the vaccines.” Neither of those views is warranted.

I just saw this, too, and you beat me to posting it. Glad you did. It reinforced most of what I believe, and it did make me feel better.

[Billy Hoyle]

Great sentiment and I hope it hits.  Dr Gandhi's tweets were informative and reasonable and still her replies were filled with people calling her reckless and selfish.

There’s a cottage industry when it comes to COVID fear porn.

https://taibbi.substack.com/p/moral-majority-media-strikes-again-cd2

[ZiggysFryBoy]

There’s a cottage industry when it comes to COVID fear porn.

https://taibbi.substack.com/p/moral-majority-media-strikes-again-cd2

Some hardcore entrepreneurs that post here quite frequently.

[rocket surgeon]

There’s a cottage industry when it comes to COVID fear porn.

https://taibbi.substack.com/p/moral-majority-media-strikes-again-cd2

was it too difficult to do a minimum of research here?  ohhh no need eyn'a cuz they saw it on twitter.  it had to be true and besides, it fit their narratives perfectly.  just as in so many other similar episodes of bad "journalism"  nothing is ever learned from this as they probably still stand by their stories

[Uncle Rico]

was it too difficult to do a minimum of research here?  ohhh no need eyn'a cuz they saw it on twitter.  it had to be true and besides, it fit their narratives perfectly.  just as in so many other similar episodes of bad "journalism"  nothing is ever learned from this as they probably still stand by their stories

Use of punctuation is a negative but the air quotes brings it home nicely.  Not your best work.  6 of 10

[TSmith34, Inc.]

Use of punctuation is a negative but the air quotes brings it home nicely.  Not your best work.  6 of 10

The overwhelming irony of the entire post, however, forces me to give the effort high marks.

[Uncle Rico]

The overwhelming irony of his last statement, however, forces me to give the effort high marks.

Lack of unhinged conspiracy theories and random attacks on Joy Behar hurt the effort

[forgetful]

There’s a cottage industry when it comes to COVID fear porn.

https://taibbi.substack.com/p/moral-majority-media-strikes-again-cd2

Wow, that article is pretty much a partisan worthless piece of crap.

Yes, the story based on an Oklahoma ER doctor's tweet was wrong. It should have been investigated further, but it was based off multiple official reports echoing the same sentiment (that were all correct). It is correct that there are a lot of poisonings from Ivermectin.

https://msdh.ms.gov/msdhsite/_static/resources/15400.pdf

Same thing in many other states. Fortunately it hasn't led to widespread hospitalizations yet.

[MU82]

Some folks never know when they'll need to be de-wormed!

[pacearrow02]

Wow, that article is pretty much a partisan worthless piece of crap.

Yes, the story based on an Oklahoma ER doctor's tweet was wrong. It should have been investigated further, but it was based off multiple official reports echoing the same sentiment (that were all correct). It is correct that there are a lot of poisonings from Ivermectin.

https://msdh.ms.gov/msdhsite/_static/resources/15400.pdf

Same thing in many other states. Fortunately it hasn't led to widespread hospitalizations yet.

Fake news.

https://www.dailywire.com/news/associated-press-adds-embarrassing-correction-to-article-claiming-70-of-calls-to-mississippi-poison-control-were-about-ivermectin-ingestion?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=benshapiro

[Pakuni]

Cedric Ceballos in the ICU with COVID.

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/former-nba-all-star-cedric-ceballos-photo-icu-covid-19-213200274.html

[forgetful]

Fake news.

https://www.dailywire.com/news/associated-press-adds-embarrassing-correction-to-article-claiming-70-of-calls-to-mississippi-poison-control-were-about-ivermectin-ingestion?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=benshapiro

My link is the official press release from the Mississippi poison control center and the lead doctor associated with it. They deemed it a significant problem to issue a press release.

They later clarified the exact meaning of the 70%, but verified that there were 1282 poisonings/exposures from August 1-23rd in Mississippi alone, hence the press report indicating to stop taking medicine meant for livestock.

Nothing I posted was incorrect. Quit trolling.