COVID-19 (f/k/a "the Coronavirus")

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Which party is more anti-vax?

Both parties have a small % of anti-vax.  From what I’ve read a small majority align with the right but the delta between anti-vax right and anti-vax left isn’t that large.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

My concern boils down to this.   I look at what is happening around the world due to the delta variant.    I look at how it is projecting in the under-vaccinated areas of the USA.    Vaccines aren't forever.    Eventually, the vaccinated are going to need boosters.   Eventually, because of a failure to sufficiently control the virus, there is going to be a breakthrough variant that renders the existing vaccines ineffective.   
    Yes, square one.     Well, maybe not quite square one as big Pharma will use knowledge gleaned going forward.   

Don't throw away your masks yet.   

You assert the bolded like it is a known fact.  It really isn't.  And furthermore, that very well could be what the boosters are for - a la the flu.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

Both parties have a small % of anti-vax.  From what I’ve read a small majority align with the right but the delta between anti-vax right and anti-vax left isn’t that large.

Nope.  From June.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2021/06/11/here-are-the-biggest-groups-that-are-still-refusing-the-covid-19-vaccine-poll-finds/?sh=6a90aee342cc

"Nearly half of unvaccinated respondents were Republicans (49% versus 29% Democrats), as opposed to 31% of vaccinated respondents who identified as Republicans and 59% Democrats."

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Nope.  From June.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2021/06/11/here-are-the-biggest-groups-that-are-still-refusing-the-covid-19-vaccine-poll-finds/?sh=6a90aee342cc

"Nearly half of unvaccinated respondents were Republicans (49% versus 29% Democrats), as opposed to 31% of vaccinated respondents who identified as Republicans and 59% Democrats."

Sure 20% difference between the two parties in this one poll.  I can try and find the polls I found that showed it wasn’t as large, closer to 10-15% difference between the two.

And unvaccinated (which is what this poll asked) doesn’t mean 100% anti-vax obviously.  My social circles are primarily right of center friends/family and while the vast majority have been vaccinated there are a handful who view themselves as low risk for natural infection and plan to get vaccinated at some point but just aren’t in a rush to do it.  Some site waiting for full FDA approval, others before they take their first vacation requiring a flight, etc. 

[MU82]

Both parties have a small % of anti-vax.  From what I’ve read a small majority align with the right but the delta between anti-vax right and anti-vax left isn’t that large.

False.

I mean, the governor of Florida -- the leader in the T-PAC straw poll for the 2024 GOP presidential nomination (other than T) -- won't let the cruise industry insist that passengers on their floating petri dishes be vaccinated. The guy in Texas is lording over similar rules. Attendees at T-PAC cheered enthusiastically at references to being unvaccinated. Statistically, counties that voted for T in 2020 are waaaaaaay behind in vaccination rates. Name a Democratic governor who has forbidden businesses from enforcing their own rules regarding vaccines.

These are just facts.

[MU82]

From Washington Post columnist Dana Milbank:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/07/13/republicans-are-dismantling-right-vote-theyve-enshrined-right-infect/?utm_campaign=wp_post_most&utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsletter&wpisrc=nl_most&carta-url=https%3A%2F%2Fs2.washingtonpost.com%2Fcar-ln-tr%2F3425068%2F60ef08539d2fda945a03a70d%2F5f8d147cae7e8a56e5b732a4%2F15%2F70%2F60ef08539d2fda945a03a70d

In the United States in the year 2021, you, as an American citizen, do not necessarily have the right to vote.

You do not necessarily have the right to teach or to learn about matters of race, gender or anything else state lawmakers consider “divisive concepts.”

But you do have one absolute, sacrosanct, inviolate, God-given, self-evident and inalienable right: the right to refuse a coronavirus vaccine — and to infect as many people as you can.

With the blessing of the Roberts court, legislatures in Republican-run states are rushing to impose new voting restrictions, particularly on non-White voters. A tally by the Brennan Center finds that, as of June 21, 17 states had enacted 28 new laws restricting the ability to vote since the start of this year.

At the same time, 10 states have enacted, and 26 states are weighing, restrictions on classroom discussions of racism and sexism, according to an Education Week count. Ostensibly, these restrictions combat critical race theory, an academic notion turned into a boogeyman by Republican politicians and sympathetic groups.

But while curtailing freedoms for some, red states are simultaneously extending civil rights to a previously unprotected class: the anti-vaxxers. A count by the Husch Blackwell law firm lists at least 17 Republican-run states that have enacted laws or orders protecting the rights of those who refuse coronavirus vaccines, with more such laws in process.

AND ALSO THIS ...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/07/13/desantis-fauci-florida/?utm_campaign=wp_post_most&utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsletter&wpisrc=nl_most&carta-url=https%3A%2F%2Fs2.washingtonpost.com%2Fcar-ln-tr%2F3425071%2F60ef08539d2fda945a03a70d%2F5f8d147cae7e8a56e5b732a4%2F40%2F70%2F60ef08539d2fda945a03a70d

“Don’t Fauci My Florida,” read drink koozies and T-shirts that Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis’s campaign team rolled out just as his state sees some of the highest coronavirus hospitalizations, new infections and deaths per capita in the country. ...

New coronavirus infection numbers plummeted in Florida after vaccinations became widely available, but they have ticked up in recent weeks. The state is reporting daily cases close to four times the national average — 26 new infections per 100,000 residents, the second-highest number in the country. The state’s latest covid-19 death rate is almost double the national figure, and it ranks fourth for current hospitalizations.

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From Washington Post columnist Dana Milbank:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/07/13/republicans-are-dismantling-right-vote-theyve-enshrined-right-infect/?utm_campaign=wp_post_most&utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsletter&wpisrc=nl_most&carta-url=https%3A%2F%2Fs2.washingtonpost.com%2Fcar-ln-tr%2F3425068%2F60ef08539d2fda945a03a70d%2F5f8d147cae7e8a56e5b732a4%2F15%2F70%2F60ef08539d2fda945a03a70d

In the United States in the year 2021, you, as an American citizen, do not necessarily have the right to vote.

You do not necessarily have the right to teach or to learn about matters of race, gender or anything else state lawmakers consider “divisive concepts.”

But you do have one absolute, sacrosanct, inviolate, God-given, self-evident and inalienable right: the right to refuse a coronavirus vaccine — and to infect as many people as you can.

With the blessing of the Roberts court, legislatures in Republican-run states are rushing to impose new voting restrictions, particularly on non-White voters. A tally by the Brennan Center finds that, as of June 21, 17 states had enacted 28 new laws restricting the ability to vote since the start of this year.

At the same time, 10 states have enacted, and 26 states are weighing, restrictions on classroom discussions of racism and sexism, according to an Education Week count. Ostensibly, these restrictions combat critical race theory, an academic notion turned into a boogeyman by Republican politicians and sympathetic groups.

But while curtailing freedoms for some, red states are simultaneously extending civil rights to a previously unprotected class: the anti-vaxxers. A count by the Husch Blackwell law firm lists at least 17 Republican-run states that have enacted laws or orders protecting the rights of those who refuse coronavirus vaccines, with more such laws in process.

AND ALSO THIS ...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/07/13/desantis-fauci-florida/?utm_campaign=wp_post_most&utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsletter&wpisrc=nl_most&carta-url=https%3A%2F%2Fs2.washingtonpost.com%2Fcar-ln-tr%2F3425071%2F60ef08539d2fda945a03a70d%2F5f8d147cae7e8a56e5b732a4%2F40%2F70%2F60ef08539d2fda945a03a70d

“Don’t Fauci My Florida,” read drink koozies and T-shirts that Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis’s campaign team rolled out just as his state sees some of the highest coronavirus hospitalizations, new infections and deaths per capita in the country. ...

New coronavirus infection numbers plummeted in Florida after vaccinations became widely available, but they have ticked up in recent weeks. The state is reporting daily cases close to four times the national average — 26 new infections per 100,000 residents, the second-highest number in the country. The state’s latest covid-19 death rate is almost double the national figure, and it ranks fourth for current hospitalizations.

Whoah, had a lot to get off your chess there MU82!!  Can I ask what the obsession with Florida is all about?  Is it because DeSantis is the 2024 front runner?

Just looked at the numbers again and Florida remains middle of the pack when it comes to cases per Capita (sandwiched between Delaware and Indiana).  When it comes to deaths per Capita they’re even more average/ignorable (sandwiched between Ohio and Kansas).  They haven’t been perfect nor terrible but the amount of time dedicated to ripping him is unmatched both on here and in the media.  Truthfully interested in understanding why so much attention towards him?

[Uncle Rico]

See?  Willful ignorance

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See?  Willful ignorance

If that’s directed at me Rico, ignorance towards what? Critical race theory being taught in schools? (entirely irrelevant to what was being discussed but MU82 wanted to make sure we were aware for some reason)

DeSantis not allowing cruise ships to require proof of vaccination is not DeSantis saying don’t get vaccinated, in fact Florida has done an admirable job especially within their most susceptible populations with vaccination.  Not sure what you suggesting ignorance to?

https://www.mayoclinic.org/coronavirus-covid-19/vaccine-tracker

[Jockey]

You assert the bolded like it is a known fact.  It really isn't.  And furthermore, that very well could be what the boosters are for - a la the flu.

Umm,….. what is the effectiveness of the flu vaccine? Not even close to 100%. Usually not even 75%.

[Jockey]

See?  Willful ignorance

I usually agree with you, Rico, but that is not willful ignorance.

It is simply lying. Nothing more. Nothing less.

[MU82]

Whoah, had a lot to get off your chess there MU82!!  Can I ask what the obsession with Florida is all about?  Is it because DeSantis is the 2024 front runner?

Just looked at the numbers again and Florida remains middle of the pack when it comes to cases per Capita (sandwiched between Delaware and Indiana).  When it comes to deaths per Capita they’re even more average/ignorable (sandwiched between Ohio and Kansas).  They haven’t been perfect nor terrible but the amount of time dedicated to ripping him is unmatched both on here and in the media.  Truthfully interested in understanding why so much attention towards him?

DeSantis is at the forefront of preventing businesses from instituting COVID-19 rules that will help them keep their customers safe ... while also working to suppress the vote in future elections. So it's a perfect 1-2 punch for those with T Withdrawal.

Obsession ... that's funny coming from a guy who has been obsessed for more than a year with making sure everybody knows that T's only pandemic misstep was one of "messaging."

And speaking of messaging and obsessions ... "critical race theory."

I gotta hand it to y'all. Whether it's the "War on Xmas" or "shariah law" or "cancel culture" or "socialism!" or "antifa" or "pedophiles in pizza parlors" or "they're coming for your guns" or "killers in caravans" or whatever the pet culture war du jour is, Republicans are very good at making up boogeymen to gin up their base.

I don't think you're stupid, Pace, so I'm sure you're aware that critical race theory isn't actually being taught in our public schools. And you're also probably aware that if you asked 100,000 Republicans who have beyotched about critical race theory to define it, at least 99,998 wouldn't be able to. (Neither would most Dems or Independents.) 

But yeah, it's gonna be the ruination of American society ... just like "death panels" were gonna be. Remember that oldie but goodie?

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I usually agree with you, Rico, but that is not willful ignorance.

It is simply lying. Nothing more. Nothing less.

What is lying?

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DeSantis is at the forefront of preventing businesses from instituting COVID-19 rules that will help them keep their customers safe ... while also working to suppress the vote in future elections. So it's a perfect 1-2 punch for those with T Withdrawal.

Obsession ... that's funny coming from a guy who has been obsessed for more than a year with making sure everybody knows that T's only pandemic misstep was one of "messaging."

And speaking of messaging and obsessions ... "critical race theory."

I gotta hand it to y'all. Whether it's the "War on Xmas" or "shariah law" or "cancel culture" or "socialism!" or "antifa" or "pedophiles in pizza parlors" or "they're coming for your guns" or "killers in caravans" or whatever the pet culture war du jour is, Republicans are very good at making up boogeymen to gin up their base.

I don't think you're stupid, Pace, so I'm sure you're aware that critical race theory isn't actually being taught in our public schools. And you're also probably aware that if you asked 100,000 Republicans who have beyotched about critical race theory to define it, at least 99,998 wouldn't be able to. (Neither would most Dems or Independents.) 

But yeah, it's gonna be the ruination of American society ... just like "death panels" were gonna be. Remember that oldie but goodie?

In hopes of not getting this thread locked for off topic comments I won’t respond as it has little to nothing to do with Covid.

As some call me Chicos, I’m going to start calling you Olbermann.

[Hards Alumni]

In hopes of not getting this thread locked for off topic comments I won’t respond as it has little to nothing to do with Covid.

As some call me Chicos, I’m going to start calling you Olbermann.

He does need to branch out on his information.  The constant outrage reeks of MSNBC.

That or WaPo or NYT.

[MU82]

In hopes of not getting this thread locked for off topic comments I won’t respond as it has little to nothing to do with Covid.

As some call me Chicos, I’m going to start calling you Olbermann.

You're the one who brought up critical race theory, and you're the one who tried false equivalence. But sure, have a great day!

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You're the one who brought up critical race theory, and you're the one who tried false equivalence. But sure, have a great day!

Come on Olbermann, all you have to do is look at the post timeline above.

Also still waiting for Jockey to point out my lie!!  Nothing but 🦗

[MU82]

Come on Olbermann

OK, Tucker. Give Q my regards!

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Both parties have a small % of anti-vax.  From what I’ve read a small majority align with the right but the delta between anti-vax right and anti-vax left isn’t that large.

Which network is spouting anti VAX all the time? Same same same? Really.
DeathSantis is literally selling anti vax paraphernalia on his campaign web site.

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OK, Tucker. Give Q my regards!

Clever.

[pbiflyer]

"Almost 3,000 Floridians are being hospitalized each day, according to the New York Times, the highest number in the nation and the fourth-highest per capita. New cases increased by 429% over the past 14 days, a dramatic surge only superseded by that in Tennessee."

Winning! Just like Charlie Sheen winning.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jul/14/florida-ron-desantis-digs-fauci-merchandise-covid

[Frenns Liquor Depot]

Interesting survey in the efficacy of vaccines and first time I’ve seen something about long-covid potential with vaccine. 

https://twitter.com/virusesimmunity/status/1415091425298063368?s=21

[forgetful]

Interesting survey in the efficacy of vaccines and first time I’ve seen something about long-covid potential with vaccine. 

https://twitter.com/virusesimmunity/status/1415091425298063368?s=21

Interesting data. Some of the comments/conclusions are poorly framed. Particularly the "interesting that JJ is best at preventing long covid". Not actually true in the data, only in how they analyzed it.

There were 13 symptomatic cases for JJ, all 13 were long COVID. There were just more total breakthrough cases with JJ, which is consistent with lower efficacy.

[MU82]

Which network is spouting anti VAX all the time? Same same same? Really.
DeathSantis is literally selling anti vax paraphernalia on his campaign web site.

Yes, but watch it. If you point out the fact that DeSantis literally is making money through undermining vaccinations, Pace/Tucker will say you're "obsessed."

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Yes, but watch it. If you point out the fact that DeSantis literally is making money through undermining vaccinations, Pace/Tucker will say you're "obsessed."

If you looked into PBI’s allegations you’d realize he’s not exactly telling the truth..  Unless making money on things mocking Fauci and wearing masks are now considered undermining vaccinations. While both the slogans of  “Don’t Fauci florida” and “how can I drink my beer with a mask on” are incredibly lame/cheesy, I think it’s also quite the stretch to suggest that’s DeSantis downplaying vaccines.