Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on November 29, 2024, 06:48:32 AMPoles has actually done a good job IMO. There is talent on that field. But this next coaching decision needs to be 100% about Caleb Williams' development with an offensive minded coach that is going to develop his obvious talent. (It should have been made last off season but that's water under the bridge now.)

Honestly,  how good was the Sweat trade and contract?

Quote from: JWags85 on November 29, 2024, 08:56:38 AMBut also he was NOWHERE near the same page with his rookie QB.

When they took the first TO in the drive, Caleb was wanting to move and ready to go and Flus called the TO.  Now at the end where they are on 6s and 7s and he should be on top of it, Flus is staring blinking into the void.

Caleb holds some of the blame for sure.  But he played his ass off to get them back into the game and was further let down by a guy who is coaching like an unplugged Madden controller.

If we're apportioning blame, I'll go with something like 90%+ Eberflus, 10% (at most) Williams.

I agree with this from The Athletic's Jon Greenberg:

Now, you can certainly blame Williams for dawdling at the end instead of running a play with some haste — just like you can blame him for the sack he took in overtime of the Vikings loss last week — but he's a rookie quarterback. He's playing now to experience the highs and lows of the most difficult job in sports. He can learn from this and build on it. The head coach is on the sidelines to be the adult on the field.

It's Eberflus' job to handle the late-game situations and he has shown that he's simply not up to the task. He's an assistant coach masquerading as a head coach and the charade is over.

My biggest quibble with that is that the charade has been over for quite some time.

They did it. Let him do the day-after press conference and everything. Nasty work, but deserved.

LOL being so bad, an org breaks a 100 year philosophy to see ya go.

Had to be done tho. Its actually slightly scary seeing on national tv there is that type of incompetence living amongst us.

Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on November 29, 2024, 11:34:35 AMLOL being so bad, an org breaks a 100 year philosophy to see ya go.

Had to be done tho. Its actually slightly scary seeing on national tv there is that type of incompetence living amongst us.

Eberflus was what made you realize that this month?

Sad day for the Packers, Vikings, and Lions.

Adios, hey?

Quote from: CreightonWarrior on November 29, 2024, 11:37:41 AMSad day for the Packers, Vikings, and Lions.

Next man up.

Quote from: Apolitical Warrior on November 29, 2024, 11:35:35 AMEberflus was what made you realize that this month?

By far

Thomas Brown...passed over for Waldron to be OC...elevated to OC a couple weeks ago...now head coach.

Life comes at you fast.

At the top of the Bears wish list is Brian Kelly

BUH-BYE Eberflus. 

Justin Fields just peed himself from laughing so hard.

Any Bears fan who trusts the McCaskey/Warren brain trust is crazy. And if they hire another outside consultant for the coaching search, Poles needs to go as well. Not that it would matter one way or the other.

Quote from: JWags85 on November 29, 2024, 08:56:38 AMBut also he was NOWHERE near the same page with his rookie QB.

When they took the first TO in the drive, Caleb was wanting to move and ready to go and Flus called the TO.  Now at the end where they are on 6s and 7s and he should be on top of it, Flus is staring blinking into the void.

Caleb holds some of the blame for sure.  But he played his ass off to get them back into the game and was further let down by a guy who is coaching like an unplugged Madden controller.

Oh for sure. I think Eberflus was at fault here, I was just trying to think of the motivation for his words. He messed it up, no question.

They are clutch. The succeed when it matters. And the AFC still runs through them til proven otherwise

Having said that, this Chiefs offense kinda sucks

I love the guys that go against conventional thinking.

A big one is don't pay running backs. The Giants, Titans and Raiders bought into that completely. What happened? The 3 guys they didn't want are the 3 best RBs in the NFL right now and other teams WERE smart enough to pay them.

Another example? Gibbs on Detroit. Possibly the 4th best back in the League. Lots of criticism when he was chosen in the middle of the 1st round by Detroit. I told Tower at the time that it was an outstanding pick despite common sentiment and it has certainly panned out.

I loved on Hard Knocks where the Giants were not enamored at all about keeping Barkley, and then gushed over the value they got when signing a journeyman back instead.

Good organizations win titles.

Quote from: Jockey on November 29, 2024, 02:53:20 PMI love the guys that go against conventional thinking.

A big one is don't pay running backs. The Giants, Titans and Raiders bought into that completely. What happened? The 3 guys they didn't want are the 3 best RBs in the NFL right now and other teams WERE smart enough to pay them.

Another example? Gibbs on Detroit. Possibly the 4th best back in the League. Lots of criticism when he was chosen in the middle of the 1st round by Detroit. I told Tower at the time that it was an outstanding pick despite common sentiment and it has certainly panned out.

I loved on Hard Knocks where the Giants were not enamored at all about keeping Barkley, and then gushed over the value they got when signing a journeyman back instead.

Good organizations win titles.

I do agree with your overall point. And the Gibbs part is especially right.

While it is crazy how "anti running back" things have become

The Barkley/Henry/Jacobs thing is more nuanced. They are on WAY better teams. With actual QBS. Great o lines. Surrounded by play makers

Even if those guys still happened to be as individually good with those other teams. Those other teams would still suck.

But I will not complain. I am currently having one of the most dominating fantasy seasons of all time because of teams using my running backs like crazy.

Just wanted to point that RB while not dead as some people claim, is still very team dependent though

I didn't get Gibbs for the first 24 hours, as Detroit had Montgomery and Swift.  It sorted itself out.

Don't forget, same draft, Detroit got dinged for where they drafted LaPorta and Jack Campbell.    Also, Holmes and Campbell swore they wanted Goff and he wasn't just a transition QB..

That was a very Bears like defeat by the Raiders.

Quote from: DegenerateDish on November 29, 2024, 05:17:57 PMThat was a very Bears like defeat by the Raiders.

I was gonna say the exact same thing! Can't blame Eberflus for that one, though.

Anyhoo, that premature snap cost Anders Carlson's brother a chance to miss his 4th FG on the day.

Quote from: MU82 on November 29, 2024, 05:25:33 PMI was gonna say the exact same thing! Can't blame Eberflus for that one, though.

Anyhoo, that premature snap cost Anders Carlson's brother a chance to miss his 4th FG on the day.

Anders would have made all those FGs

Quote from: tower912 on November 28, 2024, 08:20:08 PMGoff does not make the plays a Mahomes, Allen, Jackson all make.   I appreciate him for what he is.

Earl Morrall, Brian Sipe, Matt Ryan and many others couldn't do what other QBs of their era could. Yet for one year they were MVPs. So you're right about Goff vis-a-vis the others but in any MVP discussion that argument is meaningless.

Quote from: Lennys Tap on November 29, 2024, 10:12:44 PMEarl Morrall, Brian Sipe, Matt Ryan and many others couldn't do what other QBs of their era could. Yet for one year they were MVPs. So you're right about Goff vis-a-vis the others but in any MVP discussion that argument is meaningless.

Lolwut

Yeah I have no idea what Matt Ryan couldn't do as a quarterback.