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DegenerateDish

If the amount of veteran players subtly calling out the coaching staff isn't enough to fire Eberflus in season, then nothing will change the organization's philosophy of not firing in season.

tower912

The Giants are out-Bearing the Bears. 


I think the injuries to the Detroit defense may have finally reached critical mass.

Onwuzurike, Paschal, Rodriguez just today.   Guys off the street next Thursday.
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

BM1090


BM1090

Quote from: Jockey on November 28, 2024, 05:06:29 PM"I like what we did there," Eberflus said when asked how he should have handled the closing seconds of the game. "I think we handled it the right way."

31 organizations would fire this guy tonite. One won't.

Think he's protecting Caleb here but doubling down makes it worse regardless of the reason.

Jockey

Quote from: BM1090 on November 28, 2024, 07:17:17 PMNo.

A QB of the best team in the league with record or near record breaking numbers is automatic.

The only thing that stops him is if they lose 2 or more games which is a possibility with defensive injuries.

cheebs09

Quote from: BM1090 on November 28, 2024, 07:18:11 PMThink he's protecting Caleb here but doubling down makes it worse regardless of the reason.

Yeah, I get protecting your QB, but I think even a person watching their first game realizes that was a mess. Eberflus could have said he didn't give him the right call or something, but I suppose he's trying to save his job.

Uncle Rico

Quote from: cheebs09 on November 28, 2024, 07:35:55 PMYeah, I get protecting your QB, but I think even a person watching their first game realizes that was a mess. Eberflus could have said he didn't give him the right call or something, but I suppose he's trying to save his job.

Eberflus should bring a case of High Life to the next practice
Ramsey head thoroughly up his ass.

Herman Cain

"It was a Great Day until it wasn't"
    ——Rory McIlroy on Final Round at Pinehurst

BM1090

Quote from: Jockey on November 28, 2024, 07:23:14 PMA QB of the best team in the league with record or near record breaking numbers is automatic.

The only thing that stops him is if they lose 2 or more games which is a possibility with defensive injuries.

There's a reason he's +700 and 5th in the odds even with everything you said. People have eyes and he's not the MVP.

He's doing everything the Lions want him to do though.

tower912

Game manager supreme.  Not a game changer.
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

Jockey

Game managers are averaging almost 35 points a game these days?

Uncle Rico

Quote from: Jockey on November 28, 2024, 08:06:12 PMGame managers are averaging almost 35 points a game these days?

Tower will never give Goff credit. 

Goff has reinvented himself in Detroit.  Credit to him for finding a home and taking advantage of the opportunity.  Great weapons around him and utilizing them
Ramsey head thoroughly up his ass.

tower912

Quote from: Jockey on November 28, 2024, 08:06:12 PMGame managers are averaging almost 35 points a game these days?
When they have time, weapons, and get the ball out on time, sure.  I give Goff all of the credit in the world for running the Lions offense.   He and Johnson are in sync.  When it is flowing, and it has been for a lot of the season, it is magic to watch.

Goff does not make the plays a Mahomes, Allen, Jackson all make.   I appreciate him for what he is.
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

BM1090

Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 28, 2024, 08:08:41 PMTower will never give Goff credit. 

Goff has reinvented himself in Detroit.  Credit to him for finding a home and taking advantage of the opportunity.  Great weapons around him and utilizing them

He's been great. Legitimately a pro bowler maybe an all pro. Just not gonna win MVP.

tower912

Quote from: BM1090 on November 28, 2024, 08:20:48 PMHe's been great. Legitimately a pro bowler maybe an all pro. Just not gonna win MVP.
Exactly.  All of those things can be true at the same time.
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

Jockey

Quote from: tower912 on November 28, 2024, 08:22:53 PMExactly.  All of those things can be true at the same time.

You could be right. We'll see.

Jockey

Quote from: tower912 on November 28, 2024, 08:20:08 PMWhen they have time, weapons, and get the ball out on time, sure.  I give Goff all of the credit in the world for running the Lions offense.   He and Johnson are in sync.  When it is flowing, and it has been for a lot of the season, it is magic to watch.

Goff does not make the plays a Mahomes, Allen, Jackson all make.   I appreciate him for what he is.

I think we agree then.

Apolitical Warrior

That is what good end-of-half clock management looks like

MuggsyB

#5443
I just heard a stat about Eberflus.  There have been 221 coaches in NFL history that have played in 20+ games decided by 7pts of fewer. Of those 221, Eberflus is 221.  Williams has talent for sure.  Get rid of Eberflus and Poles.  Find a quality GM and coach and some O-lineman for starters.  Then maybe the Bears can be competitive again.  If you look at Eberflus' record there isn't any case known to man why he should still be coaching this team.  I think he's 3-19 on the road. 

MU82

Quote from: tower912 on November 28, 2024, 08:20:08 PMWhen they have time, weapons, and get the ball out on time, sure.  I give Goff all of the credit in the world for running the Lions offense.   He and Johnson are in sync.  When it is flowing, and it has been for a lot of the season, it is magic to watch.

Goff does not make the plays a Mahomes, Allen, Jackson all make.   I appreciate him for what he is.

Saquon Barkley.
"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

MU82

Quote from: DegenerateDish on November 28, 2024, 05:09:45 PMIf the amount of veteran players subtly calling out the coaching staff isn't enough to fire Eberflus in season, then nothing will change the organization's philosophy of not firing in season.

Keenan Allen wasn't very subtle.
"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole

Quote from: MuggsyB on November 28, 2024, 09:55:18 PMI just heard a stat about Eberflus.  There have been 221 coaches in NFL history that have played in 20+ games decided by 7pts of fewer. Of those 221, Eberflus is 221.  Williams has talent for sure.  Get rid of Eberflus and Poles.  Find a quality GM and coach and some O-lineman for starters.  Then maybe the Bears can be competitive again.  If you look at Eberflus' record there isn't any case known to man why he should still be coaching this team.  I think he's 3-19 on the road. 

Poles has actually done a good job IMO. There is talent on that field. But this next coaching decision needs to be 100% about Caleb Williams' development with an offensive minded coach that is going to develop his obvious talent. (It should have been made last off season but that's water under the bridge now.)
Matthew 25:40: Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.

JWags85

Quote from: BM1090 on November 28, 2024, 07:18:11 PMThink he's protecting Caleb here but doubling down makes it worse regardless of the reason.

But also he was NOWHERE near the same page with his rookie QB.

When they took the first TO in the drive, Caleb was wanting to move and ready to go and Flus called the TO.  Now at the end where they are on 6s and 7s and he should be on top of it, Flus is staring blinking into the void.

Caleb holds some of the blame for sure.  But he played his ass off to get them back into the game and was further let down by a guy who is coaching like an unplugged Madden controller.

MU82

Classic call of the unbearable Bears ending from Jason Benetti.


https://x.com/wrhiv_72/status/1862244230019551471?
"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

Jockey

Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on November 29, 2024, 06:48:32 AMPoles has actually done a good job IMO. There is talent on that field. But this next coaching decision needs to be 100% about Caleb Williams' development with an offensive minded coach that is going to develop his obvious talent. (It should have been made last off season but that's water under the bridge now.)

I agree Poles has done OK. But I wonder if he is a real GM with real GM powers or if he is just a player acquisition guy.

Does he even have the power to fire Flus or does he have to defer to Warren and McCaskey for that decision?

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