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MUScoop => The Superbar => Topic started by: wadesworld on January 06, 2021, 02:07:28 PM
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I guess the promise of peace if Biden won isn't going to happen.
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At what point does protest become terroism?
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2021 is ahead of 2020 at the same point on the crazy scale.
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2021 is ahead of 2020 at the same point on the crazy scale.
Very true. **Insert joke about 2020 turning 21**
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Invading the Capitol is wrong and bad.
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The idea that “it should have never got this point” or “this was tacitly encouraged” is fair and merited. But the sentiment trying to pretend there is a lack of outrage about this compared to the rioting in the late spring is total BS. This gross and embarrassing and unilaterally being condemned across board.
Also, I’ve seen a bunch of people bemoaning people not wearing masks. It’s an armed attempt at a Coup, but I’m glad masks are where we are focusing energy,
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There was one person on Scoop who said (over and over) that there would be a coup attempt.
Pence must remove trump (25th amendment) today.
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BTW, that person was me.
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Breaking windows. Vandalizing offices.
Shots have been fired at least one women shot in the chest -serious condition. Police being attacked.
This is all on the traitor in the WH.
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And his enablers.
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A sitting President inciting an armed coup attempt in the United States of America. Appalling.
This is a sad day for America, and a dangerous day for the future of representative democracy.
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Further proof this man is the greatest president this country has ever seen, to some.
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Breaking windows. Vandalizing offices.
Shots have been fired at least one women shot in the chest -serious condition. Police being attacked.
This is all on the traitor in the WH.
I apologize, Jock. I didn't know what you were posting about earlier.
My god. What will happen to these people? This is terrorism or insurrection or sedition, right? (I don't know the legal definitions).
Why aren't police using the amount of force they could be using? Where is the backup/reinforcements?
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We are the laughingstock of the world.
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There was one person on Scoop who said (over and over) that there would be a coup attempt.
Pence must remove trump (25th amendment) today.
Good for you.
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Good for you.
You righties are real Americans.
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I apologize, Jock. I didn't know what you were posting about earlier.
My god. What will happen to these people? This is terrorism or insurrection or sedition, right? (I don't know the legal definitions).
Why aren't police using the amount of force they could be using? Where is the backup/reinforcements?
Apparently the Department of Defense denied the DC mayor's request for assistance from the National Guard. But we'll definitely make sure they're out anywhere a BLM protest might break out, to go with curfews.
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A sitting President inciting an armed coup attempt in the United States of America. Appalling.
This is a sad day for America, and a dangerous day for the future of representative democracy.
I'm trying to think of a sadder day for America since 9/11. I'm drawing a blank.
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Don't follow politics so much, but you have to turn on CNN. They are going absolutely bonkers.
For all of you not familiar with US Capital, the building very, very large and from the pictures, there are a ton of protestors there. Seems like local county police (PG, Montgomery and Fairfax) arrived and staring to clear it out.
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This is very sad. The symbolism of this is just terrible. I hope we can pull together and ensure we don’t find ourselves here ever again.
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Don't follow politics so much, but you have to turn on CNN. They are going absolutely bonkers.
For all of you not familiar with US Capital, the building very, very large and from the pictures, there are a ton of protestors there. Seems like local county police (PG, Montgomery and Fairfax) arrived and staring to clear it out.
Ivanka tweeted that the terrorists are “American patriots”.
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Enabled him for four years. The most terrifying part is today’s events come as absolutely zero shock.
https://youtu.be/VYOjWnS4cMY
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At least those folks didn't kneel during the anthem?
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At what point does protest become terroism?
Probably when you trespass, destroy property, assault police, threaten congressional officials, etc
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At least those folks didn't kneel during the anthem?
Thanks. On a day like today, I needed a laugh.
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Guys, there's no putting the cat back in the bag. Even if an ardent Trump supporter were to decide that this was enough, he would be branded as a radical and targeted.
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I'm trying to think of a sadder day for America since 9/11. I'm drawing a blank.
To me, this is far more sad and dangerous than 9/11. American citizens engaging in an armed coup attempt at the urging of a sitting President? I don’t think it’s even close.
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Timothy Mcveigh, Rush Limbaugh, QAnon, and Karen begat a whole bunch of love children.
Good people on both sides.
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Honestly just glad that none of the Uber armed people were involved in the rioting portion. That may have sparked a legit civil war.
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If this is some people’s idea about how to make America great again, I’ll take a hard pass
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Advisors telling trump to put out strong statement against the terrorists but he is refusing to do so.
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I'm trying to think of a sadder day for America since 9/11. I'm drawing a blank.
9/11 was done to us. We did this to ourselves.
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An explosive device was located at the headquarters of the Republican National Committee near the U.S. Capitol in Washington. The pipe bomb was detonated by the bomb squad.
Source: The Bloomberg live blog - https://www.bloomberg.com/news/live-blog/2021-01-06/u-s-presidential-certification?srnd=premium
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An explosive device was located at the headquarters of the Republican National Committee near the U.S. Capitol in Washington. The pipe bomb was detonated by the bomb squad.
Source: The Bloomberg live blog - https://www.bloomberg.com/news/live-blog/2021-01-06/u-s-presidential-certification?srnd=premium
Possibly one at DNC as well?
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Possibly one at DNC as well?
I doubt that the terrorist making pipe bombs only made one pipe bomb.
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I am holding off on commenting on any one reported act, as so much is happening so fast that it will take time to sort out truth from fever dream. However, Romney yelling at his republican colleagues that this is on them is epic.
You reap what you sow. And lies, more lies, bigotry, and lies have been sown by a cult leader for the last four years. The reaping is at hand. This is a death cult.
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9/11 was done to us. We did this to ourselves.
To me, this is far more sad and dangerous than 9/11. American citizens engaging in an armed coup attempt at the urging of a sitting President? I don’t think it’s even close.
I get what both of you are saying brew and Goooooooooooo.
So far, at least, what I'm feeling today isn't the same deep sorrow I felt on 9/11, when we all could almost hear thousands of Americans screaming in unison.
It's a sad MF-ing day, though.
That we are even talking about it in these terms says plenty.
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Arrest them all and prosecute them for treason. Politicians like Gohmert, that called for violence need to be treated the same.
I'm really really tired of all the winning.
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Arrest them all and prosecute them for treason. Politicians like Gohmert, that called for violence need to be treated the same.
I'm really really tired of all the winning.
Bravo.
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Maybe it’s time to send trump to Guantanamo :-\
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At what point does protest become terroism?
This is terrorism and these people are traitors and should be tried as such.
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Police taking selfies:
https://twitter.com/bubbaprog/status/1346920198461419520?s=19
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This is terrorism and these people are traitors and should be tried as such.
Our president just said that he "loves them and they are very special..." but "you need to go home."
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Our president just said that he "loves them and they are very special..." but "you need to go home."
SMDH.
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Our president just said that he "loves them and they are very special..." but "you need to go home."
You have to treat a snowflake with care or else it'll melt.
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You righties are real Americans.
Where did I say anything sbout supporting this in any way, you partisan hack.
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Watched Fox for a few minutes. Busted out laughing at a guest trying to blame Antifa.
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We are the laughingstock of the world.
Well, Putin is certainly laughing. I doubt even he thought his puppet would pay such dividends.
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Our president just said that he "loves them and they are very special..." but "you need to go home."
But.....
He called them special people and talked about how the election was stolen.
Maybe the most pitiful speech ever by a US president. Worse than nazis are good people.
Never even mentioned the Capitol. But at least he reminded the terrorists that he loves them.
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Watched Fox for a few minutes. Busted out laughing at a guest trying to blame Antifa.
That’s funny. About an hour ago, I added Fox to my list of channels on YTTV. Wanted to see what they were saying.
It’s no wonder 30% of America is crazy.
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Advisors telling trump to put out strong statement against the terrorists but he is refusing to do so.
Its beyond that. Trumpie, Jr. is out there speachifying to the crowd that the Republican party no longer belongs to those that refuse to go along with the coup attempt, the Republican party now belongs to Trump.
Lost the popular vote twice.
Lost the House of Representatives.
Lost the Senate.
Lost the Republican party.
Everything Trump Touches Dies.
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Its beyond that. Trumpie, Jr. is out there speachifying to the crowd that the Republican party no longer belongs to those that refuse to go along with the coup attempt, the Republican party now belongs to Trump.
Lost the popular vote twice.
Lost the House of Representatives.
Lost the Senate.
Lost the Republican party.
Everything Trump Touches Dies.
His 7th bankruptcy.
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Very insightful comment by Van Jones. Are we at the end of something or is this the start of something.
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I get what both of you are saying brew and Goooooooooooo.
So far, at least, what I'm feeling today isn't the same deep sorrow I felt on 9/11, when we all could almost hear thousands of Americans screaming in unison.
It's a sad MF-ing day, though.
That we are even talking about it in these terms says plenty.
To me, the underlined highlights why today is even more sad. On 9/11, terrible as it was, we came together as a country. Black and white, young and old, rich and poor, right and left. Even now, Americans of all stripes unite in memory of the victims.
Today, we are seeing a dramatic symptom of the continued splintering of our country. While many of us are appalled, tens of millions of Americans are sitting at home smiling, high-fiving and celebrating people they might view as ‘patriots.’ We are seeing the enemy, and they are coming from within.
Anyhow, like you said, the fact that we are even talking about it in the same breath as 9/11 speaks volumes.
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To me, the underlined highlights why today is even more sad. On 9/11, terrible as it was, we came together as a country. Black and white, young and old, rich and poor, right and left. Even now, Americans of all stripes unite in memory of the victims.
Today, we are seeing a dramatic symptom of the continued splintering of our country. While many of us are appalled, tens of millions of Americans are sitting at home smiling, high-fiving and celebrating people they might view as ‘patriots.’ We are seeing the enemy, and they are coming from within.
Anyhow, like you said, the fact that we are even talking about it in the same breath as 9/11 speaks volumes.
Hard to argue with that, Gooooooooo.
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I am holding off on commenting on any one reported act, as so much is happening so fast that it will take time to sort out truth from fever dream. However, Romney yelling at his republican colleagues that this is on them is epic.
You reap what you sow. And lies, more lies, bigotry, and lies have been sown by a cult leader for the last four years. The reaping is at hand. This is a death cult.
While I disagree with most of Mitt's policies, I will certainly never question his patriotism.
I wouldn't be too surprised if Mitt and Murkowski end up switching to Independent. In their states, they can easily get re-elected without party affiliation.
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Step right up. Don't be shy:
https://twitter.com/cevansavenger/status/1346920924310867968?s=19
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tens of millions of Americans are sitting at home smiling, high-fiving and celebrating people they might view as ‘patriots.’
Respectfully, I do not believe that this is true. To a person, every single person that I've spoken to today that voted for Trump is sickened by this. I'm not disputing that there are people that are happy about this, but it's an extremely small minority of Trump voters.
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This was inevitable. I was not one bit surprised that this occurred.
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Respectfully, I do not believe that this is true. To a person, every single person that I've spoken to day that voted for Trump is sickened by this. I'm not disputing that there are people that are happy about this, but it's an extremely small minority of Trump voters.
I’m not questioning what you say, but I agree with Goo. It has never been a secret what trump was like or what he was likely to do. Yet they still supported him.
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At what point does protest become terroism?
Same time you break into the Capitol when the confirmation of the peoples will is taking place.
Trumps message on the situation is further proof he's a) not in touch with reality, b) responsible for this, and c) needs to be removed immediately.
Can't wait to hear Hawleys speech objecting to GA's vote (I think he has GA not PA) - I hope he's taking this time to have an epiphany and not to be emboldened.
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Why is no one being arrested?
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Respectfully, I do not believe that this is true. To a person, every single person that I've spoken to today that voted for Trump is sickened by this. I'm not disputing that there are people that are happy about this, but it's an extremely small minority of Trump voters.
I believe this to be true. I also hope it’s true. Otherwise the seams may bust.
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Watched Fox for a few minutes. Busted out laughing at a guest trying to blame Antifa.
She wasn't blaming Antifa, she was using false equivalency ("but antifa destroys cities...").
Are you trying to deflect from what antifa has done? Both sides are terrorists.
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Same time you break into the Capitol when the confirmation of the peoples will is taking place.
Trumps message on the situation is further proof he's a) not in touch with reality, b) responsible for this, and c) needs to be removed immediately.
Can't wait to hear Hawleys speech objecting to GA's vote (I think he has GA not PA) - I hope he's taking this time to have an epiphany and not to be emboldened.
The same Josh Hawley that waved in solidarity to the rioters before the rioting broke out? That Josh Hawley? Sorry, Josh is a little too busy trying to capture the Trumpers for his 2024 run to suddenly have an attack of conscience now.
https://twitter.com/ManuelQ/status/1346913744736157714
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First time the Capitol was breached since the British did it and burned it down in early 1800’s.
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The same Josh Hawley that waved in solidarity to the rioters before the rioting broke out? That Josh Hawley? Sorry, Josh is a little too busy trying to capture the Trumpers for his 2024 run to suddenly have an attack of conscience now.
https://twitter.com/ManuelQ/status/1346913744736157714
The only good news today is that Harley, Cruz, and Pence are toast in 2024. I doubt any of the 3 will even attempt to run now.
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The only good news today is that Harley, Cruz, and Pence are toast in 2024. I doubt any of the 3 will even attempt to run now.
Hmmm.
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https://twitter.com/MartyOropeza/status/1346906852173312000?s=19
Security.
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https://twitter.com/MartyOropeza/status/1346906852173312000?s=19
Security.
Black people are scary. though. ::)
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Armed protesters met by police...and welcome with open arms. I guess they're complying with/respecting authority, so I guess it makes sense why they aren't being shot despite having deadly weapons while committing felonies.
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First time the Capitol was breached since the British did it and burned it down in early 1800’s.
False.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1954_United_States_Capitol_shooting
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Very insightful comment by Van Jones. Are we at the end of something or is this the start of something.
Every time I see him talking about this, I remember this:
https://youtu.be/KPhsSqXHRAs
How presidential is he now?
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Maybe people will stop embracing dangerous ideas for short-term political gain.
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Oops... somebody got spooked.
Ron Johnson - one of the instigators of the trump crowd - said he now recommends a streamlined process as Congress confirms the Electoral College votes.
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Blue lives matter?
https://twitter.com/JoshuaPotash/status/1346663251115962368?s=19
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Respectfully, I do not believe that this is true. To a person, every single person that I've spoken to today that voted for Trump is sickened by this. I'm not disputing that there are people that are happy about this, but it's an extremely small minority of Trump voters.
Trump and others called for people to storm Michigan. The GOP was silent.
People actually stormed and took over the Michigan capital. The GOP remained silent and defended Trump's words.
You can go on ad nauseam where these exact types of things were either called for, and/or executed and the GOP remained silent.
If it was a minority of people that supported actions like this, the GOP would have actively spoken out against it. They didn't, because a lot support it...as long as it focuses strictly on their enemies. When it starts to get close to home, only then do they seem to have an issue with it.
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Don't follow politics so much, but you have to turn on CNN. They are going absolutely bonkers.
I hate it when the media overreacts every time terrorists storm the U.S. Capitol in an attempt to overturn an election.
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I get what both of you are saying brew and Goooooooooooo.
So far, at least, what I'm feeling today isn't the same deep sorrow I felt on 9/11, when we all could almost hear thousands of Americans screaming in unison.
It's a sad MF-ing day, though.
That we are even talking about it in these terms says plenty.
It's because there's no crying in unison that makes this so sad.
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Oops... somebody got spooked.
Ron Johnson - one of the instigators of the trump crowd - said he now recommends a streamlined process as Congress confirms the Electoral College votes.
His reelection is only two years away. I think he made a bad choice when he signed onto this ridiculous idea.
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The same Josh Hawley that waved in solidarity to the rioters before the rioting broke out? That Josh Hawley? Sorry, Josh is a little too busy trying to capture the Trumpers for his 2024 run to suddenly have an attack of conscience now.
https://twitter.com/ManuelQ/status/1346913744736157714
As an embarrassed MO resident I too know which path he'll take
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Trump and others called for people to storm Michigan. The GOP was silent.
People actually stormed and took over the Michigan capital. The GOP remained silent and defended Trump's words.
You can go on ad nauseam where these exact types of things were either called for, and/or executed and the GOP remained silent.
If it was a minority of people that supported actions like this, the GOP would have actively spoken out against it. They didn't, because a lot support it...as long as it focuses strictly on their enemies. When it starts to get close to home, only then do they seem to have an issue with it.
I don't believe most support it as much as they get a short-term political boost from it. Which I guess you could say are basically the same thing.
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Every time I see him talking about this, I remember this:
https://youtu.be/KPhsSqXHRAs
How presidential is he now?
Van Jones is a huckster who is very adept at aligning with whatever the prevailing sentiment is to look in touch and prescient. There are many people at CNN I respect despite the network’s sensationalism or their political leanings, he is not one of them.
That being said, I agree with those calling on the 25th amendment. Right now, Trump is the dude in his car in the parking lot that just refuses to go into the office cause he doesn’t like his job
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Wonder what tomorrow will look like. Hopefully things don't get worse.
Also, this could have all been stopped. The plan to storm and occupy the capital was widely published online, and the US government knew of the plans.
https://www.washingtonian.com/2021/01/05/maga-geniuses-plot-takeover-of-us-capitol/
The plan was to stop them from being able to vote on certifying the election. They'll likely keep trying.
They also stormed the Texas capital.
https://www.kvue.com/article/news/local/austin-rally-protest-march-for-trump/269-6df202da-cabb-43fe-b4f8-2a3bda77de92
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As advisors tried to get trump to make a statement, he was ranting for hours about Pence.
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Oops... somebody got spooked.
Ron Johnson - one of the instigators of the trump crowd - said he now recommends a streamlined process as Congress confirms the Electoral College votes.
He knows his seat is as good as gone in 2022
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How does a country recover from this? The divide keeps getting bigger and bigger and not enough people are stepping up to stop it.
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Today just shows how lacking Americans are with a basic understanding of fascism. And I don't even say that to specifically say Trump or any particular event is fascist. But we are hypersensitive to "degrees" of, or slippery slopes on the way to, all things communism. We have debates over whether pretty basic social programs or tax rate increases are on the road to communism. But we have an armed political minority charging the capitol enboldened by a radical wing of a major political party, and there doesn't seem to be a lot of fascism handwringing going on.
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Need a full investigation of the Capitol police. Some opened gates and doors to let terrorists into the building.
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Is there anyone good that can go up against Johnson in 2022? I will gladly donate money.
And by ‘good’ I mean able to defeat him.
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Respectfully, I do not believe that this is true. To a person, every single person that I've spoken to today that voted for Trump is sickened by this. I'm not disputing that there are people that are happy about this, but it's an extremely small minority of Trump voters.
I hope you are right.
Assuming that, it would be in the best interest of every Republican in the House and Senate to put out a very clear statement strongly denouncing this action, and calling for prosecution of the perpetrators. If the majority of Republican voters are sickened by today’s actions, they will applaud those statements.
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Is there anyone good that can go up against Johnson in 2022? I will gladly donate money.
And by ‘good’ I mean able to defeat him.
Heard Thomas Nelson’s name being thrown around.
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Here is more food for thought -DC is governed by federal law. Trump could pardon anyone arrested today.
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To my point above about Republicans clearly and strongly denouncing what happened today…part of a statement from Ben Sasse:
“Today, the United States Capitol — the world’s greatest symbol of self-government — was ransacked while the leader of the free world cowered behind his keyboard — tweeting against his vice president for fulfilling the duties of his oath to the Constitution,” he said in a statement.
“Lies have consequences,” he continued. “This violence was the inevitable and ugly outcome of the president’s addiction to constantly stoking division.”
Good for Sasse. I hope many Republicans follow suit.
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I hope I am wrong, but I have deep fears about tomorrow.
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To my point above about Republicans clearly and strongly denouncing what happened today…part of a statement from Ben Sasse:
“Today, the United States Capitol — the world’s greatest symbol of self-government — was ransacked while the leader of the free world cowered behind his keyboard — tweeting against his vice president for fulfilling the duties of his oath to the Constitution,” he said in a statement.
“Lies have consequences,” he continued. “This violence was the inevitable and ugly outcome of the president’s addiction to constantly stoking division.”
Good for Sasse. I hope many Republicans follow suit.
Sasse is one of the few Rs in Congress I genuinely respect. I would honestly consider voting him over certain Ds depending the situation.
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To my point above about Republicans clearly and strongly denouncing what happened today…part of a statement from Ben Sasse:
“Today, the United States Capitol — the world’s greatest symbol of self-government — was ransacked while the leader of the free world cowered behind his keyboard — tweeting against his vice president for fulfilling the duties of his oath to the Constitution,” he said in a statement.
“Lies have consequences,” he continued. “This violence was the inevitable and ugly outcome of the president’s addiction to constantly stoking division.”
Good for Sasse. I hope many Republicans follow suit.
A lot of us have been warning about this - but we just had trump derangement syndrome.
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Sasse is one of the few Rs in Congress I genuinely respect. I would honestly consider voting him over certain Ds depending the situation.
Agree. Romney as well. I don’t agree with their policies, but they put the best interest of the nation ahead of any concern about being twitter-bombed by the President.
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The only good news today is that Harley, Cruz, and Pence are toast in 2024. I doubt any of the 3 will even attempt to run now.
You're so cute I could just pinch your cheeks.
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You're so cute I could just pinch your cheeks.
My first true LOL moment all day. And I really needed it.
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Agree. Romney as well. I don’t agree with their policies, but they put the best interest of the nation ahead of any concern about being twitter-bombed by the President.
I regained all the respect for Romney I lost in 12 when he sold his soul to the far right and backtracked on the public option he invented.
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Rick Crosby, a 25-year-old from Connecticut, was in an early wave of rioters that breached the Capitol, entering from the west.
Crosby said he was among about 20 people who made it into the Senate chamber, where another rioter with a bullhorn led them in a prayer. They then sought to memorialize the moment.
“We took a picture with Mike Pence’s Bible and put it back on the desk,” he said. After that, he said, they left at the direction of the police.
“It felt very historic,” Crosby said. “Regardless of how this turns out, I think this is going to be a moment that goes down in the history books.”
As he spoke, public officials and commentators from across the political spectrum were condemning the rioters’ actions, using terms such as “insurrection” and “domestic terrorism.” But Crosby rejected the idea that he and others were doing anything wrong. On the contrary, he said, they were just doing what the president asked of them.
“I think probably President Trump said it best,” he said, citing Trump’s comments to some of his violent supporters in a presidential debate. “He said, ‘Stand back and stand by.’ That’s what we’re doing.”
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I hope you are right.
Assuming that, it would be in the best interest of every Republican in the House and Senate to put out a very clear statement strongly denouncing this action, and calling for prosecution of the perpetrators. If the majority of Republican voters are sickened by today’s actions, they will applaud those statements.
I agree. And I hope that they do that. I know that quite a number of them already have issued some very strong statements.
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Trump refused to deploy the National Guard this afternoon. Pence had to do it after being evacuated.
Pence needs to remove trump tonight. If not, he is fully culpable along with trump.
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Trump refused to deploy the National Guard this afternoon. Pence had to do it after being evacuated.
Pence needs to remove trump tonight. If not, he is fully culpable along with trump.
And he keeps doubling and tripling down after the f'n Capitol is invaded....
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1346954970910707712 (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1346954970910707712)
He absolutely needs to be removed ASAP.
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Today just shows how lacking Americans are with a basic understanding of fascism. And I don't even say that to specifically say Trump or any particular event is fascist. But we are hypersensitive to "degrees" of, or slippery slopes on the way to, all things communism. We have debates over whether pretty basic social programs or tax rate increases are on the road to communism. But we have an armed political minority charging the capitol enboldened by a radical wing of a major political party, and there doesn't seem to be a lot of fascism handwringing going on.
Nah, they're all good with the fascism. It's the Antifascists they rail about.
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The President of the National
Association of Manufacturers has asked Pence to look at invoking the 25th. Some Dem House members have also drafted a letter to Pence.
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The President of the National
Association of Manufacturers has asked Pence to look at invoking the 25th. Some Dem House members have also drafted a letter to Pence.
I’ve been calling for it all day.
Hawley and Cruz need to be impeached if they don’t resign immediately.
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Trump last July: "Anarchists, Agitators or Protestors who vandalize or damage our Federal Courthouse in Portland, or any Federal Buildings in any of our Cities or States, will be prosecuted under our recently re-enacted Statues & Monuments Act. MINIMUM TEN YEARS IN PRISON. Don’t do it!"
Let's do it.
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The President of the National
Association of Manufacturers has asked Pence to look at invoking the 25th. Some Dem House members have also drafted a letter to Pence.
It also takes a majority of Cabinet members to agree. Tell me which members of Trump's Cabinet will vote to invoke the 25th. Almost all of them have been picked for their absolute loyalty to Trump, not any knowledge or expertise of their particular Cabinet position.
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I regained all the respect for Romney I lost in 12 when he sold his soul to the far right and backtracked on the public option he invented.
I think he learned a lot from that entire situation. And even more respect that he’s back and doing what he’s doing cause he’ll always be “too conservative” for many people on the left who won’t forget 2012, and he’s not radically enough for many in his own party, as we saw with the idiots accosting him at the airport. He’s a good dude who does seem to truly care about the country and isn’t afraid to go at Trump
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The President of the National
Association of Manufacturers has asked Pence to look at invoking the 25th. Some Dem House members have also drafted a letter to Pence.
If Pence does so, I predict he also grants Trump a blanket pardon for crimes committed against the US (like Nixon), saying America needs to heal and put this behind us.
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It is possible to be a principled conservative and a decent person. And we need all of them to step forward.
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If Pence does so, I predict he also grants Trump a blanket pardon for crimes committed against the US (like Nixon), saying America needs to heal and put this behind us.
I don’t even care about that. I’m worried trump will issue a blanket pardon for all protestors.
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We need to recognize as friends the people speaking out today. Romney first among them, but GWB, Rand Paul, Ben Sasse and many others. Those individuals espouse some beliefs that I think are reprehensible, and some of them have been silent until it's too late. But today needs to mark the beginning of saving democracy and we need all of the people we can muster. There will hopefully be a time to care about policy disputes again, but today isn't it
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This is simultaneously terrifying, sad, and hilarious. I shouldn't have laughed but I did.
https://twitter.com/KevOnStage/status/1346937897060945920
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I wonder who gave the order not to enforce the curfew.
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Heard Thomas Nelson’s name being thrown around.
Nelson notified the FEC in October that he will be a candidate for Senate 2022.
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We need to recognize as friends the people speaking out today. Romney first among them, but GWB, Rand Paul, Ben Sasse and many others. Those individuals espouse some beliefs that I think are reprehensible, and some of them have been silent until it's too late. But today needs to mark the beginning of saving democracy and we need all of the people we can muster. There will hopefully be a time to care about policy disputes again, but today isn't it
It’s hard for me to accept this, but you are 100% right.
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Trump refused to deploy the National Guard this afternoon. Pence had to do it after being evacuated.
This is amazing. Trump refusing to do it. smdh.
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This is simultaneously terrifying, sad, and hilarious. I shouldn't have laughed but I did.
https://twitter.com/KevOnStage/status/1346937897060945920
Me too. That clip was like a skit from Portlandia.
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This is simultaneously terrifying, sad, and hilarious. I shouldn't have laughed but I did.
https://twitter.com/KevOnStage/status/1346937897060945920
I actually. Burst out laughing. God I hope that becomes a meme
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General McCaffrey calling for immediate removal.
Rep. Gallego from Arizona calls Cruz and Hawley tractors. Need to be removed.
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We need to recognize as friends the people speaking out today. Romney first among them, but GWB, Rand Paul, Ben Sasse and many others. Those individuals espouse some beliefs that I think are reprehensible, and some of them have been silent until it's too late. But today needs to mark the beginning of saving democracy and we need all of the people we can muster. There will hopefully be a time to care about policy disputes again, but today isn't it
Agreed. The strength of our government is the priority today.
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Netflix better step up their game. Hard to top this sh!t.
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The New York Times is reporting that the woman who was shot during the insurrection has died. This could considerably up the ante on the charges of those who were involved.
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General McCaffrey calling for immediate removal.
Rep. Gallego from Arizona calls Cruz and Hawley tractors. Need to be removed.
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I don’t even care about that. I’m worried trump will issue a blanket pardon for all protestors.
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Just citizens exercising their right to an orderly, peaceful protest, aina?
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Just citizens exercising their right to an orderly, peaceful protest, aina?
This is disgusting
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Well, about 5 years too late, but Twitter has locked Trump's account.
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I’ll be honest, I don’t know how the country recovers from this.
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It appears that Pence has gotten his wish and is effectively the defacto President.
https://twitter.com/BillKristol/status/1346941194316754951
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We need to recognize as friends the people speaking out today. Romney first among them, but GWB, Rand Paul, Ben Sasse and many others. Those individuals espouse some beliefs that I think are reprehensible, and some of them have been silent until it's too late. But today needs to mark the beginning of saving democracy and we need all of the people we can muster. There will hopefully be a time to care about policy disputes again, but today isn't it
Love this. "Our country is more important than the politics of the moment"*. I am praying our leaders (elected officials and otherwise) on both sides act as such.
* https://twitter.com/TheBushCenter/status/1346963094409539591
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The same Josh Hawley that waved in solidarity to the rioters before the rioting broke out? That Josh Hawley? Sorry, Josh is a little too busy trying to capture the Trumpers for his 2024 run to suddenly have an attack of conscience now.
https://twitter.com/ManuelQ/status/1346913744736157714
"fun" fact....Hawley is Jesuit educated, going to high school at Rockhurst HS........the same high school we just enrolled our eldest in...FML
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We need to recognize as friends the people speaking out today. Romney first among them, but GWB, Rand Paul, Ben Sasse and many others. Those individuals espouse some beliefs that I think are reprehensible, and some of them have been silent until it's too late. But today needs to mark the beginning of saving democracy and we need all of the people we can muster. There will hopefully be a time to care about policy disputes again, but today isn't it
While I agree, their silence is why we're at this point. If we hadn't had an entire party sell its soul to a reality TV con man, bow at his feet and all be yes me, we wouldn't have today playing out like it is.
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As an embarrassed MO resident I too know which path he'll take
The unnatural carnal knowledgeer was putting out fundraisers DURING the riot.
Kansas City Star editorial tonight:
https://www.kansascity.com/opinion/editorials/article248317375.html
Assault on democracy: Sen. Josh Hawley has blood on his hands in Capitol coup attempt
"No one other than President Donald Trump himself is more responsible for Wednesday’s coup attempt at the U.S. Capitol than one Joshua David Hawley, the 41-year-old junior senator from Missouri, who put out a fundraising appeal while the siege was underway.
This, Sen. Hawley, is what law-breaking and destruction look like. This is what mobs do. This is not a protest, but a riot. One woman was shot and has died, The Washington Post reported, while lawmakers were sheltering in place.
No longer can it be asked, as George Will did recently of Hawley, “Has there ever been such a high ratio of ambition to accomplishment?” Hawley’s actions in the last week had such impact that he deserves an impressive share of the blame for the blood that’s been shed."
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I couldn’t figure out what a tractor had to do with my comment. Then I read what I said. Autocorrect got me again.
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It appears that Pence has gotten his wish and is effectively the defacto President.
https://twitter.com/BillKristol/status/1346941194316754951
He needs to be removed before he can pardon anyone - especially his family.
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I don’t even care about that. I’m worried trump will issue a blanket pardon for all protestors.
I am most worried about what he will try to pull in his final 2 weeks. He always has been unfit to be president ... but now he is REALLY unfit to be president.
He is a sociopath who is angry at his vice president, at many of his staff, at Congress, at the Pentagon, at more than half of America's citizens, at the media, at the country, at the world.
What is he capable of? What is he willing to do to exact revenge against those he believes have mistreated him - which, now, is most of America?
Eff pardoning a bunch of his criminal associates - that's a given; he's already done it and he'll do more of it. Is he willing to give out state secrets? To launch nukes at Iran? To try to use police to attack Americans? What traitorous acts are going through his warped mind?
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Just citizens exercising their right to an orderly, peaceful protest, aina?
Just get back from Washington, doc? And there was nothing peaceful about it.
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We need to hold these people responsible. Should be removed from Congress. This isn’t a free speech issue. It’s about incitement.
Rep. Mary Miller (R-IL) has been a Congresswoman for approximately 9 minutes, and saw fit to make herself famous by quoting Adolf Hitler in her speech supporting Trump's attempted coup to overturn Biden's win in the 2020 election.
Addressing her fellow Nazis in Washington, D.C., Miller said,
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If we win a few elections, we’re still going to be losing unless we win the hearts and minds of our children. This is the battle. Hitler was right on one thing. He said, "Whoever has the youth has the future."
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Eff pardoning a bunch of his criminal associates - that's a given; he's already done it and he'll do more of it. Is he willing to give out state secrets? To launch nukes at Iran? To try to use police to attack Americans? What traitorous acts are going through his warped mind?
I stated a while back that I thought he would move to Moscow within a year. Putin would gladly pay the $400+ million he owes for state secrets. Does anyone think trump wouldn’t jump at that deal?
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Just get back from Washington, doc? And there was nothing peaceful about it.
Yes, that's doc's point. Just like the rioters were "peaceful protesters" as small businesses go up in flame.
How about bad people on both sides be the new perspective, hey?
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I stated a while back that I thought he would move to Moscow within a year. Putin would gladly pay the $400+ million he owes for state secrets. Does anyone think trump wouldn’t jump at that deal?
The dude who doesn’t even like leaving NYC and is stereotypical xenophobic American in his tastes is gonna move to Moscow? Come on man. Russian pawn is a stretch, moving to Moscow to be a Russian traitor is a bad made for TV movie.
As for Mary Miller, who the hell did she run against? Went to a mediocre college, married a farmer, no professional or political experience for nearly 40 years of her adult life and she wins her first election for a seat in the House? Not at all surprising she’s saying dumb shizz
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Yes, that's doc's point. Just like the rioters were "peaceful protesters" as small businesses go up in flame.
How about bad people on both sides be the new perspective, hey?
That is also disgusting but His words stand on his own without you trying to translate him.
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Ziggy, I understand your point. I disagree with it on most levels. But I am not in the mood to escalate again at my scoop brethren. Which is why I didn't year doc a new one, either.
Maybe we will get luckier than we deserve and this will cause some introspection. The same pollyanna in me that keeps me from tearing into Wojo.
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Yes, that's doc's point. Just like the rioters were "peaceful protesters" as small businesses go up in flame.
Not many suggested that those who engaged in those riots were "peaceful protesters."
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The unnatural carnal knowledgeer was putting out fundraisers DURING the riot.
Kansas City Star editorial tonight:
https://www.kansascity.com/opinion/editorials/article248317375.html
Assault on democracy: Sen. Josh Hawley has blood on his hands in Capitol coup attempt
Beat me in posting this. As an aside, the KC Star has been stellar the last few months starting with this special edition where they detail out how they used their power and position locally to disenfranchise the black community in KC. Not specifically relevant to anyone else here but worth a quick read and gave me hope for more self/corporate reflection in my community.
https://www.kansascity.com/news/local/article247928045.html (https://www.kansascity.com/news/local/article247928045.html)
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He needs to be removed before he can pardon anyone - especially his family.
Sure, but how? The two mechanisms are the 25th Amendment or Impeachment and ratification.
The 25th requires a majority of the members of his Cabinet to go along. Can you tell me which of his sycophants would vote to remove him via the 25th?
Removal through Impeachment ratification requires 67 Senators to agree. I'd say this is slightly more likely, but will it happen within the next two weeks? Or next 48 hours?
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Love this. "Our country is more important than the politics of the moment"*. I am praying our leaders (elected officials and otherwise) on both sides act as such.
* https://twitter.com/TheBushCenter/status/1346963094409539591
Yep. The more prominent Republicans who speak out loudly and clearly against this, the better. Regardless of what one thinks of GWB's policies, he is a decent human being and loyal American.
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To my point above about Republicans clearly and strongly denouncing what happened today…part of a statement from Ben Sasse:
“Today, the United States Capitol — the world’s greatest symbol of self-government — was ransacked while the leader of the free world cowered behind his keyboard — tweeting against his vice president for fulfilling the duties of his oath to the Constitution,” he said in a statement.
“Lies have consequences,” he continued. “This violence was the inevitable and ugly outcome of the president’s addiction to constantly stoking division.”
Good for Sasse. I hope many Republicans follow suit.
I’m gonna have to disagree with you here. If this was inevitable, shouldn’t he have done something prior to now to prevent it?
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I’m gonna have to disagree with you here. If this was inevitable, shouldn’t he have done something prior to now to prevent it?
Such as? He's part of a very small minority of congress willing to break from Trump but he's still a small minority.
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My dad called me today and went “Olympus has Fallen really isn’t that far fetched.”
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Sure, but how? The two mechanisms are the 25th Amendment or Impeachment and ratification.
The 25th requires a majority of the members of his Cabinet to go along. Can you tell me which of his sycophants would vote to remove him via the 25th?
Removal through Impeachment ratification requires 67 Senators to agree. I'd say this is slightly more likely, but will it happen within the next two weeks? Or next 48 hours?
You’re probably right, T. But after today, maybe they would go along with Pence.
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Apparently, Michigan was a dry run in more ways than one. Storming the capitol. And there is now reporting there were plans to kidnap legislators and hold trials, just like that group was arrested for during the autumn here in Michigan. Woo-hoo. Michigan ahead of the curve!
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Such as? He's part of a very small minority of congress willing to break from Trump but he's still a small minority.
He occasionally disagrees with Trump, and sometimes he’ll say so via social media. How courageous!
He’s a smart dude (I have said this before but I grew up in the same town and he was a grade behind me in school) but he is nothing but a coward when it comes to Trump.
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I’m gonna have to disagree with you here. If this was inevitable, shouldn’t he have done something prior to now to prevent it?
What on earth could he possibly have done? He does not have authority over the Capitol Police, the DC metro police department or the National Guard. He does not even have the ability to force a vote on a Senate resolution. Any specific ideas, or just general criticism?
I am not trying to paint Sasse as some sort of hero, but at least he has been trying to say the right things.
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The romanticizing and intellectualizing of "revolutionary" violence has got to stop on all sides. On one side we have wanton destruction of property and businesses, on the other storming the Capitol building while acting out a moronic con man's fantasies? If you support one you cannot support the other (and vice versa) without being a flaming hypocrite and providing the opposite side justification for what they're doing.
I've seen a lot of people on the far right claiming "antifa" was infiltrating today's festivities and were the real culprits (it's already been condemned and debunked by one of the biggest antifa scaremongers around, BTW), just as people on the far left claim "white supremacists" are actually responsible for violence and destruction for which far left groups proudly take credit (some less than 5 minutes from my home and in two instances, my wife's offices). Doing that just emboldens the other side and is to blame for what happened today. You're not revolutionaries or freedom fighters, on par with the troops in WW2 or the American Revolutionaries, you're idiots, terrorists, seditionists, and criminals.
As the great troubadour Dave Hause (my last pre-COVID concert) wrote and sang: "Let's be saboteurs. Take 'em down from the inside."
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The romanticizing and intellectualizing of "revolutionary" violence has got to stop on all sides. On one side we have wanton destruction of property and businesses, on the other storming the Capitol building while acting out a moronic con man's fantasies? If you support one you cannot support the other (and vice versa) without being a flaming hypocrite and providing the opposite side justification for what they're doing.
I've seen a lot of people on the far right claiming "antifa" was infiltrating today's festivities and were the real culprits (it's already been condemned and debunked by one of the biggest antifa scaremongers around, BTW), just as people on the far left claim "white supremacists" are actually responsible for violence and destruction for which far left groups proudly take credit (some less than 5 minutes from my home and in two instances, my wife's offices). Doing that just emboldens the other side and is to blame for what happened today. You're not revolutionaries or freedom fighters, on par with the troops in WW2 or the American Revolutionaries, you're idiots, terrorists, seditionists, and criminals.
As the great troubadour Dave Hause (my last pre-COVID concert) wrote and sang: "Let's be saboteurs. Take 'em down from the inside."
Sorry, but some of the riots and violence were started by right extremists this summer.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wsj.com/amp/articles/alleged-followers-of-boogaloo-movement-face-charges-linked-to-protests-11592920008
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The romanticizing and intellectualizing of "revolutionary" violence has got to stop on all sides. On one side we have wanton destruction of property and businesses, on the other storming the Capitol building while acting out a moronic con man's fantasies? If you support one you cannot support the other (and vice versa) without being a flaming hypocrite and providing the opposite side justification for what they're doing.
I've seen a lot of people on the far right claiming "antifa" was infiltrating today's festivities and were the real culprits (it's already been condemned and debunked by one of the biggest antifa scaremongers around, BTW), just as people on the far left claim "white supremacists" are actually responsible for violence and destruction for which far left groups proudly take credit (some less than 5 minutes from my home and in two instances, my wife's offices). Doing that just emboldens the other side and is to blame for what happened today. You're not revolutionaries or freedom fighters, on par with the troops in WW2 or the American Revolutionaries, you're idiots, terrorists, seditionists, and criminals.
As the great troubadour Dave Hause (my last pre-COVID concert) wrote and sang: "Let's be saboteurs. Take 'em down from the inside."
While I'm against both versions of violence, it has to be acknowledged it's a different end goal. One is protests for equality and awareness to perceived injustice where opportune criminals have joined and corrupted. The other amounts to essentially overthrowing democracy.
Still though thanks again for the Dave Haus recommendation last year, a few songs made it to my top songs of 2020. Though to give a tip, I wouldn't yell that you're against BLM at his shows.
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https://youtu.be/8e7Sak9xQgg
I don’t condone violence or looting or rioting. But I also don’t face police brutality or systemic racism on a daily basis. People say protest peacefully. Then they get mad when someone kneels during a National Anthem or wears a black uniform or a patch on a uniform. So what’s the answer? Just forget the cause?
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The romanticizing and intellectualizing of "revolutionary" violence has got to stop on all sides. On one side we have wanton destruction of property and businesses, on the other storming the Capitol building while acting out a moronic con man's fantasies? If you support one you cannot support the other (and vice versa) without being a flaming hypocrite and providing the opposite side justification for what they're doing.
I've seen a lot of people on the far right claiming "antifa" was infiltrating today's festivities and were the real culprits (it's already been condemned and debunked by one of the biggest antifa scaremongers around, BTW), just as people on the far left claim "white supremacists" are actually responsible for violence and destruction for which far left groups proudly take credit (some less than 5 minutes from my home and in two instances, my wife's offices). Doing that just emboldens the other side and is to blame for what happened today. You're not revolutionaries or freedom fighters, on par with the troops in WW2 or the American Revolutionaries, you're idiots, terrorists, seditionists, and criminals.
As the great troubadour Dave Hause (my last pre-COVID concert) wrote and sang: "Let's be saboteurs. Take 'em down from the inside."
Both sides. 🙄🙄🙄
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Apparently, Michigan was a dry run in more ways than one. Storming the capitol. And there is now reporting there were plans to kidnap legislators and hold trials, just like that group was arrested for during the autumn here in Michigan. Woo-hoo. Michigan ahead of the curve!
Maybe the Lions are ahead of the curve. Lull everyone asleep for 40 years and then pounce.
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Both sides. 🙄🙄🙄
You claim there are no bad actors on the far left?
Bad people on both sides.
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What on earth could he possibly have done? He does not have authority over the Capitol Police, the DC metro police department or the National Guard. He does not even have the ability to force a vote on a Senate resolution. Any specific ideas, or just general criticism?
I am not trying to paint Sasse as some sort of hero, but at least he has been trying to say the right things.
My criticism wasn’t about today. And I understand what you are saying, but talk is cheap.
This explains my feelings quite well:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/10/16/sad-case-ben-sasse/ (https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/10/16/sad-case-ben-sasse/)
I just listened to him speak on CNN. He’s obviously intelligent, a great speaker and he effectively portrays himself in a very down home small town American kind of way, because that is genuinely what he is. He is appealing, but he’s also disappointing. Does that make sense?
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Reports say that Trump and Giuliani continue to call senators asking them to object.
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I've seen a few retired generals (Honore and others) interviewed in the news tonight, and they are absolutely excoriating the Capitol Police. As one put it, they "allowed protestors to breach the perimeter of a critical American asset." Honore in particular sounded absolutely furious with them.
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You claim there are no bad actors on the far left?
Bad people on both sides.
There absolutely are bad actors on the FAR left. But those are condemned by the the other 95% of the left and all of the right, the right has 20% blind cultist conspiracy followers that are actively spurred on by the POSOTUS, Fox media, and high ranking members of the GOP. HUGE difference
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You claim there are no bad actors on the far left?
Bad people on both sides.
False equivalency. Unsurprising.
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My criticism wasn’t about today. And I understand what you are saying, but talk is cheap.
This explains my feelings quite well:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/10/16/sad-case-ben-sasse/ (https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/10/16/sad-case-ben-sasse/)
I just listened to him speak on CNN. He’s obviously intelligent, a great speaker and he effectively portrays himself in a very down home small town American kind of way, because that is genuinely what he is. He is appealing, but he’s also disappointing. Does that make sense?
I totally get that, and I didn't mean to imply that he is a great Senator. My point was simply to give him credit for his very aggresively worded statement. If all the other Republican lawmakers did the same, it would show a solidarity we desperately need.
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He occasionally disagrees with Trump, and sometimes he’ll say so via social media. How courageous!
He’s a smart dude (I have said this before but I grew up in the same town and he was a grade behind me in school) but he is nothing but a coward when it comes to Trump.
Interesting take. My fiancé's family's from Crofton (two towns away) and they hate him for being too left which usually gives someone a thumbs up in my book. I'll read the link you posted about him.
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I've seen a few retired generals (Honore and others) interviewed in the news tonight, and they are absolutely excoriating the Capitol Police. As one put it, they "allowed protestors to breach the perimeter of a critical American asset." Honore in particular sounded absolutely furious with them.
They opened the gates to let them in. I’ll try to find the video. I think I saw it on DailyKos.
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Aaaaannnnnddddd...Hawley sticks with his objections to PA.
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CBS reporting that Cabinet is discussing 25th amendment
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You claim there are no bad actors on the far left?
Bad people on both sides.
Simplistic nonsense.
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You claim there are no bad actors on the far left?
Bad people on both sides.
Seriously. Take a break. The democracy of our nation has been wounded. Hopefully not irreparably. And the best you have is - “what about another bad action some other time”.
Sad
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Such as? He's part of a very small minority of congress willing to break from Trump but he's still a small minority.
He spent four years enabling and condoning Trump at many turns, as have some others being praised for being a day late and a dollar short.
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They opened the gates to let them in. I’ll try to find the video. I think I saw it on DailyKos.
Suspect you are referring to this vid: https://twitter.com/jihanbit/status/1346909463660396550
I've seen it posted under a couple accounts but had this one handy.
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There was one person on Scoop who said (over and over) that there would be a coup attempt.
Pence must remove trump (25th amendment) today.
This isn't a coup attempt. This is a few rednecks with alcohol. Get off your high horse on this one.
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Left this open as it was a crazy day and worthy of discussion. But order is restored, and there is much to discuss as a result.
Unfortunately, this is not the place to continue that discussion.