Oso planning to go pro
Millions of people dead around the world and this very minor inconvenience is insanity?How about people on your team discouraging people from getting vaccinated OR wearing a mask. THAT is insanity!The purpose of the actions in Canada is to save lives. The purpose of your side is to kill.
Wearing a mask has given you infections?
Yes
He’s not talking about masking. He’s talking about 2 negative tests in 72 hours while fully vaccinated, and still needing to quarantine for 2 weeks and submit to yet another test. Nothing about that is “minor”
Not to be overly argumentative, but haven’t you been pretty insistent on messaging being wrong in efforts to get people vaccinated, need more carrots and less of the stick. If the fully vaccinated President is still wearing a mask alone outdoors, that’s gonna contribute far more to “what’s the point of the vaccine” than “oh he’s being respectful I should be too”
About 4 weeks ago, with one shot in my arm at the time, I subjected myself to the 72 hr. pre-test requirement at my own expense to facilitate our recent trip to Maui. When I was there, I basically acquiesced to what I regarded as overly conservative masking requirements, especially outdoors, because I was a 'guest' although I refused to wear one at the beach where I think one was still technically required. I'd speculate that most tourists played it about like I did.Upon returning to the mainland, I got my second dose and traveled cross country back to Wisconsin. I still carry a mask in my pocket at all times and gladly put it on when entering a big box retailer, for example. But my days of subjecting myself to intrusive government oversight are over unless something were to dramatically change in the trajectory of the disease and I spend my time and dollars with that as a material factor in my decisioning process. I suspect that's where many Americans are right now.
I very much don't want to go down this path too far here Sultan, but I have a firm belief than many in the political class enjoy their power more than they should. I'll leave it at that.
I'd love to hear where this line is for different folks.
Nah. I think the fear of making a premature mistake that will cause cases and deaths to spike is the biggest driver. I don't understand what political power is gained by preventing people doing what they used to do. Every governor knows that the political backlash from keeping restrictions in place too long is going to end their career.
He’s not talking about masking. He’s talking about 2 negative tests in 72 hours while fully vaccinated, and still needing to quarantine for 2 weeks and submit to yet another test. Nothing about that is “minor”I’ve been dutifully wearing masks as long it’s been recommended but people that keep saying it’s NBD are disingenuous to me. Walking in a store? Fine. But trying to work out? Flying on a plane or riding a train for hours? Being outside in warm temps where you perspire under your mask? All of those suck, and it’s not some absurd selfish defiance to admit so.The whole discussion is that the totally fair question of “when will masks end for the fully vaccinated” can’t be met with a logical answer or discussion without insults being thrown or political BS. History aside, nothing Lenny said in that message was combative or political but we had to run right back to MAGA and murderous intent just cause he disagreed with you. It’s f-ing exhausting
either you are a very naive person or lying.
Perhaps. I guess you have more faith in politicians than I do.
Nah, power and control are the drivers, hey?
The vaccine essentially takes hospitalization and death off the table even if you are one of the unlucky 5-28% who could be infected after full vaccination. If I told you to buy a lottery ticket for tonight's drawing since you would have a 72-95% chance of winning the jackpot, everyone would run to the corner gas station with dollars in hand. So, what's the big deal? Those who are still skeptical or fearful can remain that way and don't have to change. But, let the rest of us carry on as we did pre-March 2020. Follow the science because its real, hey?
I know I've nailed a point when these three disagree. Thanks guys!
However, I think we are getting close to the point of if you aren’t willing to get vaccinated, I shouldn’t have to inconvenience myself with a mask to protect you.
Agreed - we're *close*. I think that essentially comes Jul 1. Hopefully...
We may find out in the 2022 elections, eh?