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Author Topic: Now More Than 365 days Without A Transfer. First Such Period Since Crean?  (Read 17442 times)

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MU has gone more than 365 days without a transfer.  Steve Taylor was the last transfer, announced on March 18, 2015. (He announced Cleveland State on May 17, 2015.)

Two questions:

1) Do you expect anyone to transfer this off-season?

2) Is the the first 365 day period without a transfer since Crean was in charge?  Am I forgetting a 365 day period under Buzz?



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We will not know about transfers, if any, until the semester ends, because MU will not release a palyer until his grades are in. I am not expecting any transfers.

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Crean had lots of transfers.   Hence the term 'house-Creaning'.   
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We will not know about transfers, if any, until the semester ends, because MU will not release a palyer until his grades are in. I am not expecting any transfers.


Steve Taylor announced his transfer in March last year.

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Am I forgetting a 36 day period under Buzz?

FIFY.

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FIFY.

How about when 2 guys transferred out and then back in. Holy hell I wish one of them went back to Oakland.....

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MU has gone more than 365 days without a transfer.  Steve Taylor was the last transfer, announced on March 18, 2015. (He announced Cleveland State on May 17, 2015

He transferred to Toledo, not Cleveland State.

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Steve Taylor announced his transfer in March last year.
Yes, but he was a junior with enough credits to leave in good standing.

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I'm assuming no one disagrees with the idea that the last 365 day period without a transfer was back in the Crean era?

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Trevor Mbakwe.  Scott Christopherson.  Jeronne Maymon.  Patrick Hazel.  Youssoupha Mbao.  Reggie Smith.  Erik Williams.  Jamail Jones.  Jameel McKay.  Jamal Ferguson.  Deonte Burton.  Steve Taylor.  Gabe Levin.  John Dawson. 

Any other transfers I missed in the past 10 years?  That's quite the collection.

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Trevor Mbakwe.  Scott Christopherson.  Jeronne Maymon.  Patrick Hazel.  Youssoupha Mbao.  Reggie Smith.  Erik Williams.  Jamail Jones.  Jameel McKay.  Jamal Ferguson.  Deonte Burton.  Steve Taylor.  Gabe Levin.  John Dawson. 

Any other transfers I missed in the past 10 years?  That's quite the collection.

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Trevor Mbakwe.  Scott Christopherson.  Jeronne Maymon.  Patrick Hazel.  Youssoupha Mbao.  Reggie Smith.  Erik Williams.  Jamail Jones.  Jameel McKay.  Jamal Ferguson.  Deonte Burton.  Steve Taylor.  Gabe Levin.  John Dawson. 

Any other transfers I missed in the past 10 years?  That's quite the collection.

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Does DJ Newbill count as a transfer?

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Does DJ Newbill count as a transfer?

Does Buzz count?

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Wait ... we've had several transfers, starting with JJJ.

Due to all of Wojo's mind games, IIRC.
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Silly topic - Wojo had 4 transfers in his first year and we don't yet know if he'll have any in his second.
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I'm assuming no one disagrees with the idea that the last 365 day period without a transfer was back in the Crean era?
I am just trying to picture it. Crean had so many transfers that it is hard to beleive he did not have a transfer every year. By looking at the history of players that played for MU I came up with these players, some of who I do not even remember. Amoroso, Bell, Blankson, Berkowitz, Bradley, Christian, Freund, Hanley (?), Hazel, Hester, Howard, Kuphall (?), Mason, Menard. This does not include these players that never played. Williams a transfer from NC St, Saunders and Matthews. That averages more than one a year, but there could of been a year where there was not a transfer.

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Silly topic - Wojo had 4 transfers in his first year and we don't yet know if he'll have any in his second.

Turnover always happens with a new coach, that was expected.

Correct that we don't know if anyone is transferring.

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He is recruiting like someone is transferring.   Heavy on guards, light on bigs. 
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Does DJ Newbill count as a transfer?

No, because he never enrolled.
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Yes, but he was a junior with enough credits to leave in good standing.
We will not know about transfers, if any, until the semester ends, because MU will not release a palyer until his grades are in. I am not expecting any transfers.

And the existing players aren't?  So why were they eligible to play this semester?   ::)

Look, I hope no one is transferring.  But I'd be really surprised if that information wasn't out in the public long  before May 10th.  There's no law requiring a student athlete to remain silent that I'm aware of.  And because scholarships are renewed annually, there's technically 13 available at this very moment with only a 'gentlemen's agreement' that most are already filled by returning athletes. 

Moreover, the Spring signing period begins April 13th and extends through May 18th.  Do you really think prospective athletes are going to wait on MU until exams are completed? 

Do note that the NBA Draft Combine is scheduled for May 11-15.  This could make it a little tricky for Wojo with respect to Henry as he weighs his final decision.  Might be tough for one of the Bigs to 'hang around and wait'.  Hopefully Henry is sensitive to that and can give Wojo a pretty clear path well in advance.   

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Moreover, the Spring signing period begins April 13th and extends through May 18th.  Do you really think prospective athletes are going to wait on MU until exams are completed? 

Do note that the NBA Draft Combine is scheduled for May 11-15.  This could make it a little tricky for Wojo with respect to Henry as he weighs his final decision.  Might be tough for one of the Bigs to 'hang around and wait'.  Hopefully Henry is sensitive to that and can give Wojo a pretty clear path well in advance.

I doubt that the results of the NBA combine will effect Henry's decision.  It's a good bet that he won't participate. 
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I agree that from a narrow definition this is true....but we dont know yet what the transfer situation is for this season...we definitely had transfers last season.  So TBD.

If the point was we are less volatile than with Buzz -- then the answer seems to be yes (again TBD).  Transfers are inevitable in today's college bball, but it bordered on excessive with Buzz because of his willingness to take flyers on HS students and his apparent candor.

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I doubt that the results of the NBA combine will effect Henry's decision.  It's a good bet that he won't participate.

I agree.  I don't think he'll go to Chicago and I really don't think he'll leave MU hanging at all, either way.

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I agree.  I don't think he'll go to Chicago and I really don't think he'll leave MU hanging at all, either way.

I'm not sure. I get the sense that he's not going to sign with an agent. I think its between staying and declaring without signing.
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I agree that from a narrow definition this is true....but we dont know yet what the transfer situation is for this season...we definitely had transfers last season.  So TBD.

If the point was we are less volatile than with Buzz -- then the answer seems to be yes (again TBD).  Transfers are inevitable in today's college bball, but it bordered on excessive with Buzz because of his willingness to take flyers on HS students and his apparent candor.

The big question for me will be what happens with Wojo's own recruits. If Sandy were to leave, I'd take it as a less volatile transfer than say Anim because while Sandy did recommit to Wojo, he was originally a Buzz guy, whereas Anim was all Wojo.

When you look around at the college game right now, there's only one team in the Sweet 16 (Wisconsin) that isn't getting major contributions from at least one senior. The best players this year are guys like Hield, Valentine, Brogdon, Johnson, and Ellis. I think while the one-and-done model can work for teams like Kentucky, coaches are starting to see the volatility in that model and realizing you need experience to sustain success.

That's where keeping guys like Anim around will be important, in my opinion. He may be a bit player now, but in 2019 he could very well be a key starter, even a star.
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The big question for me will be what happens with Wojo's own recruits. If Sandy were to leave, I'd take it as a less volatile transfer than say Anim because while Sandy did recommit to Wojo, he was originally a Buzz guy, whereas Anim was all Wojo.

When you look around at the college game right now, there's only one team in the Sweet 16 (Wisconsin) that isn't getting major contributions from at least one senior. The best players this year are guys like Hield, Valentine, Brogdon, Johnson, and Ellis. I think while the one-and-done model can work for teams like Kentucky, coaches are starting to see the volatility in that model and realizing you need experience to sustain success.

That's where keeping guys like Anim around will be important, in my opinion. He may be a bit player now, but in 2019 he could very well be a key starter, even a star.

Completely agree -- I think you explained what I was thinking by 'TBD'.  For example we seem to be going after PGs hard.  If this is because one of our is transferring, it would be a major disappointment in my mind because of what you describe above.

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Completely agree -- I think you explained what I was thinking by 'TBD'.  For example we seem to be going after PGs hard.  If this is because one of our is transferring, it would be a major disappointment in my mind because of what you describe above.

When you look at the top seniors, almost all of them at least had significant roles as freshmen. That wasn't the case for all of our guys, but I do think as fourth year starters, Traci and Haanif could be akin to what Oklahoma has with Cousins and Hield.
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I doubt that the results of the NBA combine will effect Henry's decision.  It's a good bet that he won't participate.
I think , if he declares, he will participate. Under the current system, you have the right to return, so you are really going to want to know where you stand. The only reason not to participate is if you have no intent on going back to school.

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I think , if he declares, he will participate. Under the current system, you have the right to return, so you are really going to want to know where you stand. The only reason not to participate is if you have no intent on going back to school.


You don't go to the combine if you think it can hamper your draft status.  You go if you think it will help.

If he is a projected top 10 pick, and has nowhere to go but down, he will likely skip it.

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Don't the top players jut go do direct work-outs with teams....thereby not needing the combine?  I would imagine HE would be in this situation.

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Don't the top players jut go do direct work-outs with teams....thereby not needing the combine?  I would imagine HE would be in this situation.
Yep.. Wojo suggested as much on his radio show with Homer on Thursday.

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Still no announced transfers.  Do you think MU is past the window that we would hear about one?  If we are not past the window, when do you think we are?  Remember, the longer a potential transfer goes without announcing, the less options they have as spots fill up.

If no one transfers out, then we are set with a full 13 scholarship roster for the first time in many years.   When was the last time we started a season with 13 scholarship players?  Was that also when Crean was the coach?
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Do you think MU is past the window that we would hear about one?

I think it's definitely a good sign that nobody's announced a transfer. But I don't know that the window is ever closed. Jameel McKay transferred in October, just before the start of the season. Jeronne Maymon, Deonte Burton and John Dawson all transferred before the end of the first semester.
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Crean had lots of transfers.   Hence the term 'house-Creaning'.

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You are never past the window for a transfer. But it is encouraging. Still think we see one or two departures. Not necessarily transfers
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You are never past the window for a transfer. But it is encouraging. Still think we see one or two departures. Not necessarily transfers

So other than Wally saying he is no longer going to play basketball, what is another example of what you are referring to?

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So other than Wally saying he is no longer going to play basketball, what is another example of what you are referring to?
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Crean had lots of transfers.   Hence the term 'house-Creaning'.

I thought the term was also Buzzcutting?


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Todd Mayo did not come back his Senior Year and elected to go to the D League.

That one was fun, eenaia?

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I thought the term was also Buzzcutting?


http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Buzzcutting

Under Buzz Williams, yes.  But the discussion was assuming that Buzz never had a transfer free year and was directed toward whether or not Crean ever had one.
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Todd Mayo did not come back his Senior Year and elected to go to the D League.

He may have elected to go to the D league but he didn't elect to leave Marquette.

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He may have elected to go to the D league but he didn't elect to leave Marquette.

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He may have elected to go to the D league but he didn't elect to leave Marquette.

Yup.   

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Todd Mayo did not come back his Senior Year and elected to go to the D League.

I meant on this team right now.

We have 13 scholarship players so I have not even opened the 10 page thread about transfer options.  Until someone leaves, that thread is a waste of time and energy.

Now if Wally announces he is becoming a professional high jumper after the NCAA championship this June, that might open a spot (again, if that even happens).  Otherwise, what other non-transfer options exists among the other 12 scholarship players?

I don't see any.

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I meant on this team right now.

We have 13 scholarship players so I have not even opened the 10 page thread about transfer options.  Until someone leaves, that thread is a waste of time and energy.

Now if Wally announces he is becoming a professional high jumper after the NCAA championship this June, that might open a spot (again, if that even happens).  Otherwise, what other non-transfer options exists among the other 12 scholarship players?

I don't see any.

Something can always happen. Someone gets kicked off the team. Some get pole axed. Someone doesn't qualify academically. Someone goes pro overseas. Someone "loses their love for the game."
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I meant on this team right now.

We have 13 scholarship players so I have not even opened the 10 page thread about transfer options.  Until someone leaves, that thread is a waste of time and energy.

Now if Wally announces he is becoming a professional high jumper after the NCAA championship this June, that might open a spot (again, if that even happens).  Otherwise, what other non-transfer options exists among the other 12 scholarship players?

I don't see any.

Don't know which thread but a few posters have insinuated that Duane has considered going overseas to play. Hope that doesn't happen and I am by no way spreading that rumor - just repeating what I have read on here.

Duane is a key guy for us - really hope he sticks it out and comes back next year hungry as ever.
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Something can always happen. Someone gets kicked off the team. Some get pole axed. Someone doesn't qualify academically. Someone goes pro overseas. Someone "loses their love for the game."

You wrote this

You are never past the window for a transfer. But it is encouraging. Still think we see one or two departures. Not necessarily transfers

I asked what that would be and you have nothing but made up guesses ... but you still think two more players on the roster now will not be this October?

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Under Buzz Williams, yes.  But the discussion was assuming that Buzz never had a transfer free year and was directed toward whether or not Crean ever had one.

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I meant on this team right now.

We have 13 scholarship players so I have not even opened the 10 page thread about transfer options.  Until someone leaves, that thread is a waste of time and energy.

Now if Wally announces he is becoming a professional high jumper after the NCAA championship this June, that might open a spot (again, if that even happens).  Otherwise, what other non-transfer options exists among the other 12 scholarship players?

I don't see any.

So you won't open the transfer thread because until someone announced they are leaving the then it's a waste of time to speculate on who's leaving...but now you want to speculate on who's leaving in other forms besides transfer? I guess I don't get what the difference is, why one would be a waste of time/energy but why the other isn't.
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So you won't open the transfer thread because until someone announced they are leaving the then it's a waste of time to speculate on who's leaving...but now you want to speculate on who's leaving in other forms besides transfer? I guess I don't get what the difference is, why one would be a waste of time/energy but why the other isn't.

No, TAMU said that.  I asked who/how and TAMU pulled something out of his arse ... kind of like that 10 page thread about getting someone for a position that, as of now, does not exist.

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So you won't open the transfer thread because until someone announced they are leaving the then it's a waste of time to speculate on who's leaving...but now you want to speculate on who's leaving in other forms besides transfer? I guess I don't get what the difference is, why one would be a waste of time/energy but why the other isn't.

He hasnt opened that thread and won't engage in that discussion because he didn't start it. No clicks for him there.

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I said they wouldn't necessarily be transfers. I didn't say they wouldn't be transfers. I made a statement allowing for the possibility that someone might leave the team without transferring. Didn't say it would, said it could.
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MU has gone more than 365 days without a transfer.  Steve Taylor was the last transfer, announced on March 18, 2015. (He announced Cleveland State on May 17, 2015.)

Two questions:

1) Do you expect anyone to transfer this off-season?

2) Is the the first 365 day period without a transfer since Crean was in charge?  Am I forgetting a 365 day period under Buzz?

You literally started this thread on the topic of MU basketball transfers and in your original post ask if people expect a transfer this offseason. Then you go and say...

I meant on this team right now.

We have 13 scholarship players so I have not even opened the 10 page thread about transfer options.  Until someone leaves, that thread is a waste of time and energy.

Now if Wally announces he is becoming a professional high jumper after the NCAA championship this June, that might open a spot (again, if that even happens).  Otherwise, what other non-transfer options exists among the other 12 scholarship players?

I don't see any.

And then you try to deny discussing player departures. Which maybe you didn't discuss them at all in here, I don't feel like reading every post in this thread to find out. But something tells me you probably discussed who may be leaving in this thread. So why are you wasting your time and energy if nothing's been announced? And if you didn't, why would you ask if others expect a departure and then get upset about other people discussing possible departures before someone announces their departure?

No, TAMU said that.  I asked who/how and TAMU pulled something out of his arse ... kind of like that 10 page thread about getting someone for a position that, as of now, does not exist.

You're on a roll. Keep going.

He hasnt opened that thread and won't engage in that discussion because he didn't start it. No clicks for him there.

Very true.
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To say that Singleton was a "transfer" is akin to Nixon left office to pursue other opportunities...


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Tugg Speedman

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You literally started this thread on the topic of MU basketball transfers and in your original post ask if people expect a transfer this offseason. Then you go and say...

And then you try to deny discussing player departures. Which maybe you didn't discuss them at all in here, I don't feel like reading every post in this thread to find out. But something tells me you probably discussed who may be leaving in this thread. So why are you wasting your time and energy if nothing's been announced? And if you didn't, why would you ask if others expect a departure and then get upset about other people discussing possible departures before someone announces their departure?

You're on a roll. Keep going.

Very true.

Those two posts were a month apart.  The issue of transfers changes over time.


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Those two posts were a month apart.  The issue of transfers changes over time.

So then which 10 page thread on the topic of transfers are you not opening because it's a waste of time and energy to speculate on them until they are actually announced?

The Grad Transfer PF options that was started on February 1, 2016?  So things change over the course of a month, but not 2 and a half months?  Got it.

That's logical.
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Tugg Speedman

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So then which 10 page thread on the topic of transfers are you not opening because it's a waste of time and energy to speculate on them until they are actually announced?

The Grad Transfer PF options that was started on February 1, 2016?  So things change over the course of a month, but not 2 and a half months?  Got it.

That's logical.

I honestly don't know what you are asking me.