Kolek planning to go pro
If I cared enough to put thought into it maybe. But I'm with Pakuni on this. It's a silly theory.
Got it. So you can't. Because there isn't one.
I see this mistake very often. There is no NBA Hall of Fame. Kukoc will be in the HOF for the same reasons that Manu Ginobli will be in it. Their careers spanned Foreign leagues, International play, and the Olympics as well as the NBA.Arvidas Sabonis averaged 12 pts and 7 rebounds in the NBA and was easily elected.
OK dude. Plant that flag if you want. It's still a silly and stupid theory.
Okay so every time he loses, it's "his teammates suck, I feel so bad for the guy, he'd have 9 championships by now if he had any dang help" but I never hear "wow, he had the most 'help' anyone has ever had in the 2011 finals but he couldn't bring home the bacon." Why did that happen? Why was he passively standing in a corner on offense and playing lax D in crucial close losses? Is he not the indisputable greatest player of all time?
Sabonis for a time was one the best basketball players in the world. No one would ever suggest that about Kukoc.If Ginobli gets in the HOF, it will be because of his NBA career, not international play.Saying Kukoc is a hall of fame player may one day be technically correct, but also terribly misleading.
OK I'll take that as a given then. What's the alternative? That he's not the greatest player of all time?
Not ridiculous at all. I've never seen a player so concerned with how his legacy is perceived while he's actively playing. I truly believe he sucked in the 2011 finals when he saw Wade seizing control because he was panicked that he'd be perceived/written about as a Scottie that needed a guy like Wade to carry him to a championship. Name a healthy superstar in his prime that played worse than LeBron did in the 2011 finals. You won't find one.
Kukoc was never an all star and Manu was only an All Star twice. It will be an uphill battle for either of them.
But is is the Basketball Hall of Fame - not the NBA Hall of Fame.If I had to bet, I'd say Ginobli - yes and Kukoc - no although I think he has a good chance.
But the reality is that unless you have made a significant impact on basketball here, you aren't getting in based on your European accomplishments. Unless you are someone like Sabonis who was universally acknowledged to be an all time great.
Now this is quite the story.https://www.theringer.com/nba/2018/5/29/17406750/bryan-colangelo-philadelphia-76ers-twitter-joel-embiid-anonymous-markelle-fultz
You're kidding, right? Never averaged 20 ppg, never made an all-star team, career averages of 11.6/4.2/3.7, he has zero shot of making the NBA HOF. Even if you only look at the time he spent in Chicago when he was in his prime (age 25-31) he averaged 14.1/4.8/4.2. Decent numbers, but not close to HOF numbers.
Shaq?Dude is funny but him and Pippen have been going at it for years. Anyone who thinks that Kukoc is better that Pippen should automatically be placed in an asylum and no longer allowed to express their views on anything.
+1. Shaq also says (in the article cited by Chico) that Steve Kerr and Ron Harper meant more to the Bulls than Pippen. I love Shaq but he pulling our leg here. Toni Kucoc is like Hideki Matsui. They belong in the Hall of Fame of Europe/Japan, but here? No way.
Why wouldn't you say the same about Sabonis? Too lazy to look, but I'd been Kukoc had similar or better numbers. And having seen both guys many times, Toni was the better NBA player.
Sabonis was 31-year-old shadow of his former self by the time he reached the NBA. Kukoc was 25 and in his prime. Simply not comparable.That said, yeah, Sabonis is in the hall of fame based on his European career, not anything he did in the NBA.
Exactly. That was my point.And I believe Ginobli, and possibly Kukoc will get in for the same reason.