2013 NFC North/NFL Thread

[DegenerateDish]

Why was the Whisenhunt hire terrible? He's a good offensive guy who can win with a decent QB.

His job is to develop QB's. After he left Pittsburgh, the QB circus in AZ was a trainwreck. He won with Warner as his QB, but failed to develop LI have a toothachert, Kolb, Skelton, it was a mess. He cycled through RB's all the time as well. For him to go to the Titans makes no sense on so many levels. Their run game is a mess, Locker has some skill and a decent arm, but is not accuarate. Odd fit, doesn't make sense to me at all. I thought Zimmer would have been an ideal fit there.

[MerrittsMustache]

His job is to develop QB's. After he left Pittsburgh, the QB circus in AZ was a trainwreck. He won with Warner as his QB, but failed to develop LI have a toothachert, Kolb, Skelton, it was a mess. He cycled through RB's all the time as well. For him to go to the Titans makes no sense on so many levels. Their run game is a mess, Locker has some skill and a decent arm, but is not accuarate. Odd fit, doesn't make sense to me at all. I thought Zimmer would have been an ideal fit there.

Fair enough. Although, LI have a toothachert, Kolb and Skelton were never any good to begin with. Can't put that all on Whisenhunt. He's the classic case of "good coach with bad players" or "ordinary coach who can't develop players?"

Zimmer definitely deserves a shot somewhere. Minnesota perhaps?

[DegenerateDish]

Fair enough. Although, LI have a toothachert, Kolb and Skelton were never any good to begin with. Can't put that all on Whisenhunt. He's the classic case of "good coach with bad players" or "ordinary coach who can't develop players?"

Zimmer definitely deserves a shot somewhere. Minnesota perhaps?

To me, Wisenhunt is a better coordinator than head coach. Hell, might say the same about Trestman, we'll see on both.

Zimmer should get a shot, guy's paid his dues and can coach.

[Bocephys]

To me, Wisenhunt is a better coordinator than head coach. Hell, might say the same about Trestman, we'll see on both.

Zimmer should get a shot, guy's paid his dues and can coach.

As a Bengals fan, I hope he stays and replaces Lewis after his contract is up next year.  Agreed he definitely deserves a shot as a head coach, though.

[tower912]

Other than Mariucci (and Jauron for 20 minutes to replace the fired Mooch), the coaching hires for the Lions over the last 30 years do not have NFL head-coaching experience.  That has worked well for them.   

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Detroit_Lions_head_coaches

Caldwell is the anti-Schwarz.   Head coaching experience, offensive background, calm.   I'm not saying he is going to be good.   I believe that by definition anyone who coaches the Lions is going to be lousy.   But understand that the thinking in Detroit is that to get to the next level, Stafford's improvement is vital.   That is why they were focused first on Whisenhunt and then Caldwell.   Someone who has been actively involved with good quarterbacks.   

[DegenerateDish]

I realize it'd be a huge gamble, but if I were the Lions (not anymore) or Vikings, I'd very quietly interview Mark Helfrich, at least at a minimum see how he interviews and kick the tires on him.

[GGGG]

The problem with Helfrich is that he has only been a head coach for one year.  I think you have to see how things go for a couple of years.

[DegenerateDish]

The problem with Helfrich is that he has only been a head coach for one year.  I think you have to see how things go for a couple of years.

100% hear you and agree. My thinking though is if the NFL is a copycat league (which it is), and if Kelly continues to have success, Helfrich seems like a fit at some point. He was Kelly's coordinator for 4 years and has a decent QB background as well.

If you're a team looking to get outside of the retreads and maybe some one with background in a forward thinking offense, I'd at least interview him, knowing experience as a head coach is not on his side. If things worked out, you'd be buying low on him now too. Agree there are certainly concenrs with experience, but it costs nothing to interview him.

[tower912]

Lions have tried the hot OC flavor of the month, Morningweg.   When that didn't work, they went after his mentor, Mooch.   

[MU B2002]

...  That is why they were focused first on Whisenhunt and then Caldwell.   Someone who has been actively involved with good quarterbacks.  

Flacco and the Baltimore offense seemed to regress this year.  Flacco through his lowest number of TDs since his rookie year and almost double the number of INTs.  
Granted, Rice sucked and they let Boldin walk.



And Vikes hire Zimmer. 

[tower912]

Flacco and the Baltimore offense seemed to regress this year.  Flacco through his lowest number of TDs since his rookie year and almost double the number of INTs.  
Granted, Rice sucked and they let Boldin walk.



And Vikes hire Zimmer.  

Peyton and Dungy both called the Detroit GM's saying Caldwell was vital to Peyton's success.    I'm not sure I agree with their assessment, but Caldwell has been OC for both Baltimore and Indy when they won their Super Bowl's.   Part of his record was the 2-14 intentional tank year when Peyton was hurt.  

http://www.woodtv.com/sports/nfl/mannings-call-played-part-in-lions-hiring-coach

[DegenerateDish]

This game has been beyond boring.

[4everwarriors]

Any Bronze Beast sightin' in Seattle? Check Harbaugh's heine for a sniffer.

[real chili 83]

This game has been beyond boring.

Especially when the only thing you can think to say is "Omaha".  What's with that?

[Hards Alumni]

Especially when the only thing you can think to say is "Omaha".  What's with that?

Audible pre snap calls.

[4everwarriors]

Harbaugh's gettin' hosed on these non-groundin' calls, but it's all good 'cuz I can't stand that motherf ucker.

[hairy worthen]

Audible pre snap calls.

Audible my ass he says it every play right before the snap, he is changing the play way before then

[4everwarriors]

Major boner by Carroll not to have kicked the FG.

[4everwarriors]

Audible my ass he says it every play right before the snap, he is changing the play way before then

Maybe he's got a Suzy Cream cheese in Nebraska, aina?

[4everwarriors]

Kaepernick has a lotta Favre in him with about the same amount of intelligence.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Kaepernick has a lotta Favre in him with about the same amount of intelligence.

Well, he was born in Milwaukee.  Maybe it's a Wisconsin thing that impacts the brain.

[4everwarriors]

Musta been in Cudahy or the South Side, hey?

[keefe]

Harbaugh's gettin' hosed on these non-groundin' calls, but it's all good 'cuz I can't stand that motherf ucker.

Watched the first half in a bar before the crowd noise got to me. Your feelings for Harbaugh are shared by most of Seattle. He's a Michigan guy so I give him a pass. In fact, I like Harbaugh better than Pete Carroll in many ways.

[real chili 83]

Sherman=worlds biggest dumb a$$.  Makes Randy Moss look smart.

[brandx]

Sherman=worlds biggest dumb a$$.  Makes Randy Moss look smart.

You can't coach class.