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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: tower912 on March 29, 2024, 08:23:13 PM
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1. Shoot poorly, lose. Don't over think it.
2. Stevie has not hit a 3 since the Oduro pick. But he still played with heart.
3. MU actually played decent defense.
4. No quit. The true hallmark of this team.
5. In the words of Pat Benatar, It's a little too little, it's a little too late.
Thanks for a great season.
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Another disappointing year
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Another disappointing year
Last 2 years have been awesome.
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Heart is never the problem with this team. Sadly that’s a minor consolation with this result. Pretty tough to argue this team didn’t disappoint relative to expectations. Just an awful end to the season.
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Last 2 years have been awesome.
Depends who you ask.
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gotta be one of the most disappointing losses in history of MU ball.......that is all
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6. Another fart in the wind post-season.
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Last 2 years have been awesome.
56-17.
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Last 2 years have been awesome.
Last three years really. Been a joy to watch these guys.
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gotta be one of the most disappointing losses in history of MU ball.......that is all
Incredibly disappointing.
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Depends who you ask.
Not really. Highest seed we’ve ever been each of the last 2 years. BE regular season and Tourney title last year. Sweet 16 this year. Pretty objectively incredible, especially given where we were 4 years ago.
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Wish I could get behind the fought all game thing.. that was a soulless scared pathetic performance.. just shocking from oso kam jop.. just shocked… so bummed it’s not funny.. very sad.
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56-17.
0 wins against single digit seeds when it counts.
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56-17.
Plenty of joy these past two seasons. They’ll be remembered for sure. But sadly part of that legacy is not accomplishing the ultimate goal.
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Not really. Highest seed we’ve ever been each of the last 2 years. BE regular season and Tourney title last year. Sweet 16 this year. Pretty objectively incredible, especially given where we were 4 years ago.
Yep.
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The crazy thing about this game. Is most of the 2nd half, I still thought we were going to win. We got the stops we needed to, we turned them over at key times, we got the looks we needed.
We just never could get the 3's to fall, and there were a couple backbreaking late shot clock makes by NCstate.
7 game series, I think we win 5 or 6.
They only needed this 1 though.
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Heart is never the problem with this team. Sadly that’s a minor consolation with this result. Pretty tough to argue this team didn’t disappoint relative to expectations. Just an awful end to the season.
I would trade 50% of their heart for 20% better shooting...
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56-17.
and what did it accomplish in the postseason? beat a couple double digits to make a sweet 16 i guess. the road was there for so much more. gotta be one of the biggest disappointments for a team in this programs history
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Not really. Highest seed we’ve ever been each of the last 2 years. BE regular season and Tourney title last year. Sweet 16 this year. Pretty objectively incredible, especially given where we were 4 years ago.
What does the high seed get us? Nothing. We blew it both times. Teams are judged off tournament success and we pissed down our legs both years
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Marquette can take heart in the fact that very few teams are as good at embarrassing exits from the tourney than they are. Bravo fellas. Way to add to the tradition.
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The cylinder reversal call on Burns was the play that changed the game.
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Another disappointing year
I disagree. Year 3 of a rebuild and they’re in the Sweet 16. Played like crap tonight but they don’t have the horses to take the ball inside and finish. Too much finesse.
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and what did it accomplish in the postseason? beat a couple double digits to make a sweet 16 i guess. the road was there for so much more. gotta be one of the biggest disappointments for a team in this programs history
Eh. I’m not a fan just for the championships. Gotta enjoy the ride otherwise it’s not worth the effort.
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and what did it accomplish in the postseason? beat a couple double digits to make a sweet 16 i guess. the road was there for so much more. gotta be one of the biggest disappointments for a team in this programs history
If we won this game we most likely play Houston, who would have made us wish for tonight’s offensive output.
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Marquette can take heart in the fact that very few teams are as good at embarrassing exits from the tourney than they are. Bravo fellas. Way to add to the tradition.
Tradition!
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What does the high seed get us? Nothing. We blew it both times. Teams are judged off tournament success and we pissed down our legs both years
Got us to a Sweet 16. That’s why you work all year to get a high seed. So you can beat decent but not great teams.
We played a horrible game against a team we should’ve beat tonight. Sucks. But that’s college hoops and a one and done tourney format.
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The moment was too big for us. I blame lack of preparation.
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Last 2 years have been awesome.
This team has been so fun to watch the last two years. I wish it ended better for them, but that's why we still celebrate 77 and 03 and 74. It's hard as heck to make it and takes some luck. We had so many shots go halfway down and they got some good bounces.
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Embarrassing performance. We absolutely gifted that game to NC State. I know we've all seen Marquette shrink many times in big moments, but with the talent and experience of this team, that was an all timer.
Joplin and Oso must've had money on NC State.
Hate to see Kolek go out like that.
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4/31 on threes
There is no other point of analysis
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Two years with legitimate Final Four squads, and one (1) Sweet Sixteen.
The kicker is that if Marquette plays an average game (St. Thomas level performance), they are in the Elite 8. I'm not sure how anyone cannot be disappointed.
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4/31 on threes
There is no other point of analysis
Correct.
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I disagree. Year 3 of a rebuild and they’re in the Sweet 16. Played like crap tonight but they don’t have the horses to take the ball inside and finish. Too much finesse.
Its our best regular season team in how long and we can’t beat the 55th ranked kenpom team in the s16. It’s a failure.
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Final 4 expectations and fizzle out in sweet 16. Disappointing season. NC Sate was in complete control of the game from the tip. What a shame. I feel bad for Kolek, he actually wanted to win today.
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4/31 on threes
We agree.
There is no other point of analysis
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Hopefully Shaka can bring in some
Better Players next year. We had a solid team but need to be Excellent to compete at these levels.
I will compliment this group of players as probably the most enjoyable to watch since The Al era. They were a Whole is greater than sum of parts team , and when playing in tune with other they made beautiful music on the court
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Nothing but gratitude. This has been an unbelievably enjoyable and winning group. Today is heartbreaking, no doubt, but the standard has one again been set.
Compete for conference championships and deep tournament games.
Thanks for a great season. Already excited for what next year will bring.
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7. Tyler and Oso, thank you
I think the failure to meet post season expectations can dampen any mood but MUBB is relevant again on the big stage and it’s great to see the turnaround from an era of much higher frustration pre-Shaka.
But yeah, to lose to an opponent you’re clearly better than and go out with a D- performance is a tough one to swallow
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Its our best regular season team in how long and we can’t beat the 55th ranked kenpom team in the s16. It’s a failure.
The game? Sure.
The season? Not by a long shot.
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Does the Quran allow IVs during daylight. If not, NCST should be disqualified.
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I disagree. Year 3 of a rebuild and they’re in the Sweet 16. Played like crap tonight but they don’t have the horses to take the ball inside and finish. Too much finesse.
Year 3 of a rebuild, look out for year 4 (blowout in the elite 8?)
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Oh well, next year boys.
Thanks for getting to the Sweet Sixteen.
Nothing to be ashamed of.
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4/31 on threes
There is no other point of analysis
This. It is sad. I am not being harsh; the kids choked and they will remember this forever.
Unfortunate.
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The game? Sure.
The season? Not by a long shot.
Ask the players that and let’s see if they agree with you. Spoilers they wont
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Oh well, next year boys.
Thanks for getting to the Sweet Sixteen.
Nothing to be ashamed of.
I know you’re trying to be positive but there is plenty to be ashamed of.
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Its our best regular season team in how long and we can’t beat the 55th ranked kenpom team in the s16. It’s a failure.
They beat us the same way they've won the other 7 in a row. I thought it was luck, but their defense has been forcing some bad 3 point performances.
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I disagree. Year 3 of a rebuild and they’re in the Sweet 16.
That might be some consolation if there wasn’t going to be a rebuild within the rebuild next season.
Shaka is going to have some tough decisions to make about additions to the roster if he wants to make the NCAA tournament next year, much less have a realistic shot at the Sweet 16. It isn’t going to happen with only the returning players and the incoming freshmen while the competition is beefing up from the transfer portal.
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Ask the players that and let’s see if they agree with you. Spoilers they wont
They might. I disagree with them too.
They’ll see it differently with time. Hope you will too. Sports shouldn’t make you bitter.
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Can’t shoot that bad and advance. Just wasn’t our night. Very much enjoyed watching these guys this season.
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They might. I disagree with them too.
They’ll see it differently with time. Hope you will too. Sports shouldn’t make you bitter.
I mean I’ll be fine but this was our chance man. Can’t ask for a better setup and they blew it. It’s a failure and that’s okay.
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They beat us the same way they've won the other 7 in a row. I thought it was luck, but their defense has been forcing some bad 3 point performances.
Unless their defense involves purposely leaving good shooters wide open for 3’s and being good hopers that they’ll miss, their defense had little impact on that game
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I know you’re trying to be positive but there is plenty to be ashamed of.
Nobody should be ashamed of anything. Jesus Christ.
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I mean I’ll be fine but this was our chance man. Can’t ask for a better setup and they blew it. It’s a failure and that’s okay.
Well I won’t view it as you do.
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I feel bad for Joplin, I don’t know if the lights were too bright or what, that was as bad a half of basketball someone of his caliber can play. Especially coming off the two late FT’s against Colorado.
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That might be some consolation if there wasn’t going to be a rebuild within the rebuild next season.
Shaka is going to have some tough decisions to make about additions to the roster if he wants to make the NCAA tournament next year, much less have a realistic shot at the Sweet 16. It isn’t going to happen with only the returning players and the incoming freshmen while the competition is beefing up from the transfer portal.
yea...what makes this so disappointing.....best team we will have in a while
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Its our best regular season team in how long and we can’t beat the 55th ranked kenpom team in the s16. It’s a failure.
Yep. They failed tonight. They lost to Butler at home. They failed that night too. They had some crappy games. They don’t have guards that can power for a shot. But MU hadn’t won an NCAA game in 9 years before last year. They got to the Sweet 16 for the first time since Buzz. The disappointment shows how far they’ve come in so short a time.
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yea...what makes this so disappointing.....best team we will have in a while
thank you
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I know you’re trying to be positive but there is plenty to be ashamed of.
Ashamed? Seriously? It was a great ride the past two years that ended poorly. But these guys should keep their heads up. MU basketball is back.
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A couple days ago there was some debate on here as to what a “choke” is vs. simply playing a bad game. Well, if this game wasn’t a choke, I don’t know what is.
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yea...what makes this so disappointing.....best team we will have in a while
Agree, It's a rebuilding year.
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Yeah I am neither ashamed nor embarrassed. These guys have brought me a lot of joy and represented my alma mater with class.
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I feel bad for Joplin, I don’t know if the lights were too bright or what, that was as bad a half of basketball someone of his caliber can play. Especially coming off the two late FT’s against Colorado.
If you looked up “no-show” in the dictionary, that first half by him would be a perfect entry. Feel bad for him but at least he has some defensive bright spots later.
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We struggled beating Western Kentucky, We squeaked by Colorado. We are a Sweet 16 team. Elite 8 against Houston or Duke would have been the Little Big Horn.
Great season. Some great highlights. Tough way to end, but it is about right.
Oso and Jop got us here, so the criticisms are unfair.
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I feel bad for Joplin, I don’t know if the lights were too bright or what, that was as bad a half of basketball someone of his caliber can play. Especially coming off the two late FT’s against Colorado.
Yea, something off with Joplin. Missing three straight free throws.
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Its our best regular season team in how long and we can’t beat the 55th ranked kenpom team in the s16. It’s a failure.
This game was to our season like you are to scoop. Embarrassing , incredibly painful and difficult to stomach but doesn’t ruin it.
Thanks to our boys for a great season, and career for Tyler and Oso.
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It's a shame because in second half, much better on defense, but MU did not take opportunities. There was a sequence of seven straight NCST possessions which they did not score. MU made one basket, a layup by Kam. Others were terrible turnovers, missed threes. Had their chance right there.
4 for 31 from three was worse than Butler home game, where 5 for 31.
Joplin, Kolek and Mitchell went 1 for 16 and Kam 3 for 12.
Along with 9 missed free throws, a missed dunk, vaseline on Oso's hands and three balls thrown into the bleachers, the players know what just happened as a #2 seed and are probably just feeling completely depressed.
No Norman and Lowery again for two straight games, even Gold hardly played. Interesting. Let's see what happens in next few weeks on who leaves besides Oso and Kolek and star building all over for next year. Great season, but disappointing ending.
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Three years ago, we fired our head coach. We would have been joyous to even think about an NCAA tournament.
We have grown to a Top 10 program. Our athletes make us and our university proud. We’re headed toward what we were many years ago.
Yeah, I’d like to forget about tonight too. But I’m proud of the road we are on and while I don’t have Phoenix tickets this year, I’ll look forward to next year — and beyond!
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Nobody should be ashamed of anything. Jesus Christ.
4 / 31 disagrees with you...
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We struggled beating Western Kentucky, We squeaked by Colorado. We are a Sweet 16 team. Elite 8 against Houston or Duke would have been the Little Big Horn.
Great season. Some great highlights. Tough way to end, but it is about right.
Oso and Jop Tyler and Kam got us here, so the criticisms are unfair.
FIFY
For this game just look at the box score, more than fair.
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We struggled beating Western Kentucky, We squeaked by Colorado. We are a Sweet 16 team. Elite 8 against Houston or Duke would have been the Little Big Horn.
Great season. Some great highlights. Tough way to end, but it is about right.
Oso and Jop got us here, so the criticisms are unfair.
jop made some huge plays versus colorado. oso did nothing the entire tournament......about as big of a dud as a star player at mu has ever had
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4 / 31 disagrees with you...
Aaawww, is the poor baby upset about a freaking basketball game?? Grow up
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This game was to our season like you are to scoop. Embarrassing , incredibly painful and difficult to stomach but doesn’t ruin it.
Thanks to our boys for a great season, and career for Tyler and Oso.
Sorry I have expectations. You probably thought Wojo was a good coach
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The Sweet 16 is the ceiling for this program.
It pains me to say, but Marquette University is never winning another national title.
Have you seen what Duke has coming in next season and some of the other big boys? Good luck.
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Sorry I have expectations. You probably thought Wojo was a good coach
Ouch. But fair.
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Sorry I have expectations. You probably thought Wojo was a good coach
Hate to break it to you but your expectations don’t means crap to anybody
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Last three years really. Been a joy to watch these guys.
Both things can be true here.
This team has been a blast.
This team has failed when it counts most.
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The Sweet 16 is the ceiling for this program.
It pains me to say, but Marquette University is never winning another national title.
Have you seen what Duke has coming in next season and some of the other big boys? Good luck.
Probably never winning another national title. But S16 is not the ceiling.
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Sorry I have expectations. You probably thought Wojo was a good coach
Your expectations mean nothing to anybody. You are a manchild.
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Both things can be true here.
This team has been a blast.
This team has failed when it counts most.
So does every team that doesn’t hoist the trophy. They’re in good company.
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I mean I’ll be fine but this was our chance man. Can’t ask for a better setup and they blew it. It’s a failure and that’s okay.
If it makes you feel better - last year was a much better / more legitimate chance.
Easier path, OMax, proved we could beat UConn. Had we won tonight we would’ve needed to take down Houston, Purdue, and UConn consecutively.
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Probably never winning another national title. But S16 is not the ceiling.
The college basketball landscape is changing dramatically. I don't believe Marquette can find the dollars to compete with the football schools. Not sure where the program gets the NIL money?
If this is accurate, Marquette missed its best shot at a National Championship these past two (2) seasons, and that is why I am profoundly disappointed. I don't see a path to victory.
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If it makes you feel better - last year was a much better / more legitimate chance.
Easier path, OMax, proved we could beat UConn. Had we won tonight we would’ve needed to take down Houston, Purdue, and UConn consecutively.
agree.. but what's disappointing is that window is closing a bit each year now. Losing Omax was one thing, losing Kam, Oso, and Tyler leaves massive holes for next year...
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So does every team that doesn’t hoist the trophy. They’re in good company.
no......not every team every year can have those expectations. if we make the sweet 16 next year i will be elated.
this team was set up for so much more and underachieved in the post season
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Tough one but have got a lot of gratitude right now. Hard fought on the defensive end. Good execution to get the shots they wanted. None of them dropped. mid-20% still likely wins it.
I dunno what the answer is for that. It was really uncharacteristic and sort of baffling to me. "get shooters" seems like the answer, but it's not like this team was bad at 3s.
Love this team. Really gonna miss seeing them all together.
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no......not every team every year can have those expectations. if we make the sweet 16 next year i will be elated.
this team was set up for so much more and underachieved in the post season
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Another uncharacteristic thing I noticed is how little fun we were having. So tight all game. Joplin breathing before those 3 fts like he was shooting for his life
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So does every team that doesn’t hoist the trophy. They’re in good company.
Naw.
If this team didn't win it all, it wouldn't necessarily be a failure. They could simply have been beaten by a better team, like MU teams in "94, "03, "11, "13, etc.
This team, unfortunately, has been soundly knocked out of the tourney two years running by inferior teams. That's the failure.
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Naw.
If this team didn't win it all, it wouldn't necessarily be a failure. They could simply have been beaten by a better team, like MU teams in "94, "03, "11, "13, etc.
This team, unfortunately, has been soundly knocked out of the tourney two years running by inferior teams. That's the failure.
View it the way you want. I will not view it that way.
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agree.. but what's disappointing is that window is closing a bit each year now. Losing Omax was one thing, losing Kam, Oso, and Tyler leaves massive holes for next year...
I love those guys and they’ve each had a legendary career. I even hope Kam spoils us and comes back to win BEPOY.
But I think we have guys waiting in the wings who are ready for their chance to do great things… Norman, Lowery, Chase Ross.
Tonight sucks but Shaka has the program in a place where we won’t be missing many or any NCAA tourneys. The next step for his coaching career is to figure out how to advance and advance deep.
I also think Shaka’s teams are not great as heavy favorites. I’d like to see what he can do with a 6 or 9 seed.
If we had won tonight (I know, I watched) I was ready to deploy my entire bankroll on MU against Houston or Duke. We would’ve been 3-7 point underdogs against either and we would’ve won outright, I firmly believe. Counterintuitively, this was the hard one and we lost it.
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I love those guys and they’ve each had a legendary career. I even hope Kam spoils us and comes back to win BEPOY.
But I think we have guys waiting in the wings who are ready for their chance to do great things… Norman, Lowery, Chase Ross.
Tonight sucks but Shaka has the program in a place where we won’t be missing many or any NCAA tourneys. The next step for his coaching career is to figure out how to advance and advance deep.
I also think Shaka’s teams are not great as heavy favorites. I’d like to see what he can do with a 6 or 9 seed.
If we had won tonight (I know, I watched) I was ready to deploy my entire bankroll on MU against Houston or Duke. We would’ve been 3-7 point underdogs against either and we would’ve won outright, I firmly believe. Counterintuitively, this was the hard one and we lost it.
You would have lost a lot of money (presumably)
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Mitchell, Joplin and Jones crapped the bed when it mattered. Case closed.
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Love these guys and the excitement they have provided for us over the last few seasons. They demonstrated the kinds of talents we hadn’t seen for years.
So sorry to see them go out on this kind of note. Totally bittersweet.
It will be interesting to see what Shaka can do next year.
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This. It is sad. I am not being harsh; the kids choked and they will remember this forever.
Unfortunate.
Hard to disagree with this. Really tough one to swallow. Just did not see this group laying an egg like that. Play mediocre and win that game relatively easily.
Everything was set up for this to be the year.
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As good as these last to years teams have been we still need an upgrade in talent. We need freshmen who are not just siting on the bench waiting for their turn but guys who will push the upper classmen for minutes. Then when something like this happens you send a starter or 2 to the bench and for your young talent and hope the new guys can change the momentum. Think Novak on the 03 team. The only guy that is even close to that was Chase last year. We need that every year. Tre and Zaide may be serviceable as Juniors but they were never ready this year.
More talent along with Shaka's defense will allow MU to consistently be in the tournament and one time they'll break through.
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It's a shame because in second half, much better on defense, but MU did not take opportunities. There was a sequence of seven straight NCST possessions which they did not score. MU made one basket, a layup by Kam. Others were terrible turnovers, missed threes. Had their chance right there.
4 for 31 from three was worse than Butler home game, where 5 for 31.
Joplin, Kolek and Mitchell went 1 for 16 and Kam 3 for 12.
Along with 9 missed free throws, a missed dunk, vaseline on Oso's hands and three balls thrown into the bleachers, the players know what just happened as a #2 seed and are probably just feeling completely depressed.
No Norman and Lowery again for two straight games, even Gold hardly played. Interesting. Let's see what happens in next few weeks on who leaves besides Oso and Kolek and star building all over for next year. Great season, but disappointing ending.
Excellent summary. That stretch where we couldn't capitalize was incredibly frustrating.
I can't recall a game in which two teams generally shot poorly, but one team made several back breaking shots (contested, pressured), while the other missed almost every big shot (many wide open). It was uncanny.
I think I said "well that play really sums up this game" about 9 times during the second half. A comedy of errors at times.
And we missed 27 three pointers and 9 free throws and still only lost by 9 points. Definitely not our night!
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Not really. Highest seed we’ve ever been each of the last 2 years. BE regular season and Tourney title last year. Sweet 16 this year. Pretty objectively incredible, especially given where we were 4 years ago.
This is the proper long term outlook on the last three years and this season.
The short term look at this single game was this was one of the worst games the team could have played. They handed NC State the game. NC State is not that good. It was a horrible last performance for such a good team. The stuff of new nightmares if you will. I don’t think they’ll look back on this game and say “we gave it out best”. They’ll always think “if we shot better and were more decisive on offense and we didn’t miss dunks and free throws and don’t turn the ball over, we could have won by 20”.
It is what it is. A great start to the Shaka era. Hopefully in the coming years MU will be able to beat teams like NC State in the tournament. I believe they will. Future teams hopefully will destroy teams like that.
Proud of those guys and this program. Hope Oso, Tyler and Kam find wild success as pros. They are great representatives of our University.
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This is the proper long term outlook on the last three years and this season.
The short term look at this single game was this was one of the worst games the team could have played. They handed NC State the game. NC State is not that good. It was a horrible last performance for such a good team. The stuff of new nightmares if you will. I don’t think they’ll look back on this game and say “we gave it out best”. They’ll always think “if we shot better and were more decisive on offense and we didn’t miss dunks and free throws and don’t turn the ball over, we could have won by 20”.
It is what it is. A great start to the Shaka era. Hopefully in the coming years MU will be able to beat teams like NC State in the tournament. I believe they will. Future teams hopefully will destroy teams like that.
Proud of those guys and this program. Hope Oso, Tyler and Kam find wild success as pros. They are great representatives of our University.
I wouldn’t assume Kam is gone yet.
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Mitchell, Joplin and Jones crapped the bed when it mattered. Case closed.
Mitchell hasn't hit a 3 since the Oduro pick.
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Mitchell hasn't hit a 3 since the Oduro pick.
That’s true if you don’t count the one he banked in near the end of the WKU game.
Considering the low number of 3’s Mitchell attempted and made all season, it’s hard to conclude that an injury to his left shoulder had much impact on his contributions from the 3 point line. A normal game for Mitchell for the season is 0 for 1 or 1 for 2.
Maybe the fact that he tried 4 in this game is an indication of how out of whack the offense was.
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Mitchell hasn't hit a 3 since the Oduro pick.
Well he was sitting at 17/60, 28% from 3 going into the BET championship, so hard to tell much difference.
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Well he was sitting at 17/60, 28% from 3 going into the BET championship, so hard to tell much difference.
He had been about 40% in conference play after his horrid start.
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He had been about 40% in conference play after his horrid start.
He was usually pretty good at the corner threes.
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Aw shoot, another season underperforming in the tournament........I guess MU fans are starting to get used to this
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Mitchell, Joplin and Jones crapped the bed when it mattered. Case closed.
I don’t think you can lay too much at Jones’s feet. He still scored 20 pts, and made some big buckets to keep us in striking distance. Just never got into his full I’m-going-to-score-18-straight unconscious mode. Stevie still brought his defensive intensity and had some good hustle plays.
Joplin is the frustrating one for me. He is so inconsistent—can have some games where he looks like he is all-world, but other times really seems to struggle locking in. This was one of his stinkers.
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I don’t think you can lay too much at Jones’s feet. He still scored 20 pts, and made some big buckets to keep us in striking distance. Just never got into his full I’m-going-to-score-18-straight unconscious mode. Stevie still brought his defensive intensity and had some good hustle plays.
Joplin is the frustrating one for me. He is so inconsistent—can have some games where he looks like he is all-world, but other times really seems to struggle locking in. This was one of his stinkers.
Joplin is not and never will be all world. Time to start landing studs Shaka.
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He had been about 40% in conference play after his horrid start.
But, to my point, that 40% was 13 for 32 in 18 games.
So, that’s less than 1 make in less than 2 shots per game.
Hardly an integral part of the offense. I’d say that Mitchell 3’s “matta” less than free throws.
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But, to my point, that 40% was 13 for 32 in 18 games.
So, that’s less than 1 make in less than 2 shots per game.
Hardly an integral part of the offense. I’d say that Mitchell 3’s “matta” less than free throws.
That’s fair. My point was he’d been pretty efficient with the shots from deep he was taking the last 3 months.
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Aw shoot, another season underperforming in the tournament........I guess MU fans are starting to get used to this
If sweet 16 is the new normal, sign me up.
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The Sweet 16 is the ceiling for this program.
It pains me to say, but Marquette University is never winning another national title.
Have you seen what Duke has coming in next season and some of the other big boys? Good luck.
Disagree completely. Elite 8 was there for the taking and possibly a final four with a match up with Duke. Bad time for an F game when a D game would have done it. We had the team this year. They just melted for some reason last night.
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I think overall Shaka got the best from every player. I knew that MU was not a championship caliber team because it didn’t have the individual talent. A steep drop in consistency from TK. Something to work towards but the MU trajectory is good. Nothing to be ashamed of here.
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Exactly. I think you made my point. They had all of these things going in their favor, yet season ended in the Sweet 16.
Will I take the Sweet 16 year in and year out? You bet, but I think with the state of college basketball these days, I wouldn't expect much more.
I think overall Shaka got the best from every player. I knew that MU was not a championship caliber team because it didn’t have the individual talent. A steep drop in consistency from TK. Something to work towards but the MU trajectory is good. Nothing to be ashamed of here.
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If sweet 16 is the new normal, sign me up.
Same. Let's have a Mark few strings of s16. You keep getting there, you seem to put yourself in good position to do more.
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If sweet 16 is the new normal, sign me up.
Having a team good enough to be a 2 seed in back-to-back seasons and being happy with a single Sweet 16 seems pretty COLE.
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And a Big East regular season championship. And a BET championship.
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Disagree completely. Elite 8 was there for the taking and possibly a final four with a match up with Duke. Bad time for an F game when a D game would have done it. We had the team this year. They just melted for some reason last night.
Yep, this.
Shaka has been terrific and this team has been a ton of fun the last two years.
But it's OK to also acknowledge that they underachieved on the biggest stage.
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And a Big East regular season championship. And a BET championship.
Great accomplishments.
Doesn't change a thing I wrote.
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Having a team good enough to be a 2 seed in back-to-back seasons and being happy with a single Sweet 16 seems pretty COLE.
See my above comment as a bit of a reply to you before you posted.
Unrelated to your post, Scoop logic is as follows:
1. Tourney is a crapshoot
2. but wanting consistency is also bad
3. Therefore if we keep making second weekend, we have imposed a ceiling
4. Arbys
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Yep, this.
Shaka has been terrific and this team has been a ton of fun the last two years.
But it's OK to also acknowledge that they underachieved on the biggest stage.
Yes. It’s been a very mixed bag so far under Shaka. And fair or not, everything is ultimately judged on this tournament. And so far, the early returns are not impressive on that. Two wins over 15 seeds and two upset losses, one against an 11 seed. Colorado win is the lone tournament bright spot in three appearances under Shaka, unless you’re impressed with beating 15 seeds. And this after no wins in the tournament at Texas.
There’s a disturbing pattern in this tournament going on since his Final Four 13 years ago.
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Aw shoot, another season underperforming in the tournament........I guess MU fans are starting to get used to this
Too many of them have low expectations and accept it
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Too many of them have low expectations and accept it
You tell them, Hamburgler. What is your plan to your expectations?
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Too many of them have low expectations and accept it
Actually, I think I have realistic expectations.
What are my choices if the team doesn’t meet my expectations and I don’t want to accept it?
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Part of the dollars/sense problem for MU is they are a top seven spend on Men’s Basketball. I’ll admit this is cherry picking to a small extent, but I don’t think Elite 8 appearances should be unrealistic when you’re spending what MU does.
Since MU’s last Elite Eight appearance in 2013, the other 6 programs that spend at/more than MU and their tournament success:
Texas 1 Elite 8
Kentucky 4 Elite 8’s, 2 Final Fours
Mich St 3 Elite 8’s, 2 Final Fours
Kansas 4 Elite 8’s, 2 Final Fours, Title
UConn 3 Elite 8’s, 2 Final Fours, 2 Titles
Duke 6 Elite 8’s, 2 Final Fours
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You tell them, Hamburgler. What is your plan to your expectations?
I wonder if this is a new dung dr. account?
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1. Shoot poorly, lose. Don't over think it.
2. Stevie has not hit a 3 since the Oduro pick. But he still played with heart.
3. MU actually played decent defense.
4. No quit. The true hallmark of this team.
5. In the words of Pat Benatar, It's a little too little, it's a little too late.
Thanks for a great season.
Tower, first I will reiterate again what a pleasure it was to meet you & Lurch at Indi, you're always spot on. Not even the lucky jersey could will the 3 pts in. It will go to washer when I get home tomorrow, hopefully for a new streak. I'm beat for all the traveling this two weekends and the swing in weather, but proud of MU basketball, even if last night's defeat was hard, those who say this guys gave up didn't see the same game I saw. I was at the lobby welcoming back our Warriors in defeat, they were hurt more than the fans. For those that are writing between the lines that Gold might not be happy, his mother, probably 6-2 or 6-3, gave Shaka the biggest bearhug I've seen a mother give a coach, Gold is not going anywhere. Hope to see you next year at NCAAT again Tower, checking out 'till next season...
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I think overall Shaka got the best from every player. I knew that MU was not a championship caliber team because it didn’t have the individual talent. A steep drop in consistency from TK. Something to work towards but the MU trajectory is good. Nothing to be ashamed of here.
Oh God. Here we go with trajectory again. Heard that plenty here when people were offering up their lame defense of Wojo. Please, dont start with that.
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Too many of them have low expectations and accept it
Much as Bagder fans accept Gard.
At least he's white, right?
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I wonder if this is a new dung dr. account?
neverwasawarrior
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Part of the dollars/sense problem for MU is they are a top seven spend on Men’s Basketball. I’ll admit this is cherry picking to a small extent, but I don’t think Elite 8 appearances should be unrealistic when you’re spending what MU does.
Since MU’s last Elite Eight appearance in 2013, the other 6 programs that spend at/more than MU and their tournament success:
Texas 1 Elite 8
Kentucky 4 Elite 8’s, 2 Final Fours
Mich St 3 Elite 8’s, 2 Final Fours
Kansas 4 Elite 8’s, 2 Final Fours, Title
UConn 3 Elite 8’s, 2 Final Fours, 2 Titles
Duke 6 Elite 8’s, 2 Final Fours
I don't think these numbers are very comparable. I think once you adjust for the amount we spend on playing in the Fiserv, we end up somewhere in the 25-40 range for spend.