Scholarship table
So, you believe Rock told that joke intending to provoke a negative (violent?) response from Will Smith.Huh. Personally, I think he was just going for laughs.How has every Comedy Central Roast not devolved into a royal rumble?
One has an expectation of mean spirited jokes being the entire point. It's a bad analogy.
He wasn’t trying to get a laugh from Will Smith or his wife, which is to whom/about whom he said it.
Maybe he was. Some people have a sense of humor about themselves, even their maladies. But who cares? Must every joke appeal to every person in an audience, lest the comedian face the "consequence" of violence?
Mean-spirited jokes aren't expected at awards shows, says person who's never watched an awards show.What you've guys have done has set up a world where violence is a natural consequence of a comedian telling a joke that hurts the wrong person's feelings. That's bullsh*t. What Smith did last night was an aberration.
Again, I have never condoned or justified violence in this discussion. But someone would have to be pretty naive, sheltered, obtuse etc.. to not think there might be words you ‘d initiate to someone that would result in a physical altercation. You seem to be saying that anyone can say anything unlimited, anywhere, any time, without the expectation of a confrontation, even physical. obviously in life that isn’t true. And again, any person that engages in any at fault physical behavior will also face consequences their actions too.
That obviously is not what I'm saying. But a comedian, in a comedic setting, should be able to tell a joke - even a bad or offensive joke - without threat of physical assault. And while you keep saying you aren't justifying it, by insisting assault is a consequence of a bad joke, that's exactly what you're doing.After engaging in at fault physical behavior, Will Smith won an award, received two standing ovations and danced the night away. Such hefty consequences.
Coming back to the Oscars, the reason for being there was his movie and its award nominations. He wasn’t there for the Will Smith Comedy Roast. So if Chris Rock wants to take a chance and go there, he has to know their might be consequences to his specific words.In this example, you didn’t like that Will Smith wasn’t held more accountable for his actions too. I believe that is more of your issue here. That’s different.
That’s reality. That’s life. If you are going to bully someone else with words or actions, under the idea of poor humor, sometimes there are unfortunate consequences. I think we have all seen that all too often.As I said before, if Chris Rock went after Will Smith by himself instead of his wife’s condition, or anything to do with her, he probably doesn’t go up there.
I'll just drop it after this, but you're wrong about two things here.1. Stars routinely get roasted at awards shows. Is this the first Oscars you've seen? Or Golden Globes? Or even the ESPYs? There is nothing unusual or shocking or surprising about Chris Rock telling a joke targeting a celebrity audience member. It wasn't even the first time a nominee had been roasted during the show (see: Amy Schumer's monologue, in which she implied an incestuous relationship between the Gyllenhaals and called DiCaprio a cradle robber ... neither of which led to her being slapped).2. I'm not at all upset about whatever consequences Smith faces or doesn't face. I'm just befuddled that some people are trying to normalize his behavior.
Bullying? BULLYING?! He made A joke. He didn’t sit up there and ridicule the Smith family for 15 minutes. Talk about a stretch.And poor humor…that pretty much the entire crowd (including Will himself) laughed and smirked at. There was no uncomfortable murmurs like when Gervais hosted, or during earlier Schumer jokes like Pakuni mentioned.If Will doesn’t go up there, the joke barely gets a mention that day, much less the next, and nobody is horrified that he “went after her condition” cause he didn’t. I guess I missed where the Oscars is a stuffy dignified awards banquet from Victorian era England
George Carlin used to talk about punching up as a comedian instead of punching down. A guy jokes about a Woman’s alopecia condition is punching down, not up.
You sucked me back in, because ...that wasn't the joke.
TAMUI do know, Newsie is right on you knowing ball.
There are definitely possible consequences for telling a joke like that. But they should be reasonable consequences. What happened was not reasonable
But it doesn’t mean it’s surprising to me in any way what happened.
I agree with every statement in your post. At the rate we're going, comedians will be banned in 10 more years.
Are you intentionally misreading? Neither of us condone the violence nor do we think it is acceptable.