Author Topic: What is our all-time 12? (Read 7577 times)

Goose · « **Reply #75 on:** April 04, 2024, 08:50:16 PM »

tower

Twice I had a chance to break 70 playing golf with Pat Foley going into #18 and made a double and triple. Please scratch him from the list. That said, he is n your neck of the woods and still tees it up.

tower912 · « **Reply #76 on:** April 04, 2024, 09:11:13 PM »

Stop after 17.

Pakuni · « **Reply #77 on:** April 04, 2024, 10:48:55 PM »

Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on April 04, 2024, 08:40:26 PM

John Glaser

Dime a dozen.

Lennys Tap · « **Reply #78 on:** April 04, 2024, 11:05:46 PM »

Quote from: Goose on April 04, 2024, 07:18:53 PM

Roman Mueller

Biggest sleeper since Rip Van Winkle

Mutaman · « **Reply #79 on:** April 05, 2024, 12:01:38 AM »

Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on April 04, 2024, 08:09:01 AM

Terry Rand > Kojis

Diener statistically > Kolek > Meminger. And it's not really even close.

Here's a stat for you. Meminger's record at Marquette:
78-9
Record at home: 46-0.

wisblue · « **Reply #80 on:** April 05, 2024, 05:13:48 AM »

Quote from: Mutaman on April 05, 2024, 12:01:38 AM

Here's a stat for you. Meminger's record at Marquette:
78-9
Record at home: 46-0.

You have to remember that that was a completely different era.

The top 10 teams didn’t lose many games and MU did not have as difficult a schedule as they have now in a major conference and much more parity.

The final poll in 1971 ( before NCAA Tournament

UCLA 25-1
Marquette 27-0
Penn 27-0
Kansas 25-1
USC 24-2
South Carolina 23-4
Western Kentucky 21-5
Kentucky 22-4
Fordham 25-2
Ohio State 19-5

Only24 total losses for the top 10.

This year that total was 71 before the conference tournaments.

swoopem · « **Reply #81 on:** April 05, 2024, 06:56:26 AM »

Quote from: Goose on April 04, 2024, 08:50:16 PM

tower

Twice I had a chance to break 70 playing golf with Pat Foley going into #18 and made a double and triple. Please scratch him from the list. That said, he is n your neck of the woods and still tees it up.

He’s in my neck of the woods, Birmingham, MI. He’s a member at Oakland Hills. I see him out at the bars every once in a while and we always talk MU hoops

Goose · « **Reply #82 on:** April 05, 2024, 07:35:29 AM »

swoopem

Pat is great guy. Enjoyed spending time with him on the golf course and in bars. First met him at the golf course when his family moved to MKE when he was in high school.

LloydsLegs · « **Reply #83 on:** April 05, 2024, 08:54:28 AM »

The Paul Newman slander on this board is actionable.

The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole · « **Reply #84 on:** April 05, 2024, 08:57:45 AM »

Quote from: LloydsLegs on April 05, 2024, 08:54:28 AM

The Paul Newman slander on this board is actionable.

I like his pasta sauces.

Dr. Blackheart · « **Reply #85 on:** April 05, 2024, 09:00:09 AM »

Quote from: LloydsLegs on April 05, 2024, 08:54:28 AM

The Paul Newman slander on this board is actionable.

When the era of porn staches meant something...

dgies9156 · « **Reply #86 on:** April 06, 2024, 09:25:23 AM »

I've been quiet on this thread for four takes. Most of the recommendations have been very good. Some have been so off as to be ridiculous. Having seen most of these guys play, I'll offer this list as my 12 best ever:

Don Kojis
George Thompson
Dean Meminger
Jim Chones
Maurice Lucas
Butch Lee
Bo Ellis
Dwyane Wade
Wes Matthews
Jae Crowder
Jeral McNeal
Tyler Kolek

Every one of these guys was transformative to the program. Jim Chones and DWade were by far the two best players ever to wear an MU uniform. Butch and Bo won a national title for us. George Thompson started the line of great players and for years was our leading scorer. He and Dean Meminger were instrumental in getting us back to the NCAAs and keeping us there. Maurice got us to an NCAA championship game. Wes, Jae and Jeral were cornerstones of the Buzz years of excellence and Tyler got us where we are today.

Honorable Mentions:
Terry Rand
Bob Lackey
Larry McNeill
Earl Tatum
Lloyd Walton
Jerome Whitehead
Bernard Toone
Sam Worthen
Oliver Lee
Jim McIllivane
Steve Novak
Scott Merritt
Travis Diener
Sam Hauser

Of this group, I have a special place in my basketball heart for Bob Lackey. A colorful personality and a tough, no-holds barred basketball player that represented what Marquette was about in his time. Earl, Lloyd and Jerome probably would be on almost any other program's 12 best. Earl and Lloyd got us close and Jerome was instrumental in getting us to the mountaintop (see UNCC game, March 25, 1977). Terry Rand was my Dad's age and part of MU's first NCAA tournament team.

Juan Anderson's Mixtape · « **Reply #87 on:** April 06, 2024, 09:37:49 AM »

To list 26 players and not include Markus Howard is a travesty.

brewcity77 · « **Reply #88 on:** April 06, 2024, 10:05:38 AM »

At this point, it's just an unserious troll. The only reason that gets posted is for the reactions.

dgies9156 · « **Reply #89 on:** April 06, 2024, 10:24:42 AM »

Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on April 06, 2024, 09:37:49 AM

To list 26 players and not include Markus Howard is a travesty.

Afraid not. I knew that was coming.

Not a troll. I think Markus was all about statistics and not about team. I'm a Marquette fan. not a Markus fan.

We're not LSU!

frozena pizza · « **Reply #90 on:** April 06, 2024, 10:35:46 AM »

Quote from: dgies9156 on April 06, 2024, 10:24:42 AM

Afraid not. I knew that was coming.

Not a troll. I think Markus was all about statistics and not about team. I'm a Marquette fan. not a Markus fan.

We're not LSU!

Pretty hard to come up with a best ever list if you're going to disregard statistics. Maybe just include everyone on the national championship team and be done with it.

The fact is that Markus was our all time leading scorer by a huge margin, one of the best 3 point shooters in college basketball history, stayed with the team for 4 years and was a gold standard for how he represented our program every day. Sure, maybe he didn't have any signature deep runs in the tournament (more due to Wojo and covid in my view) and had some deficiencies, but he was a truly elite player in our history.

tower912 · « **Reply #91 on:** April 06, 2024, 10:37:17 AM »

All time leading scorer in the Big East.

MUfan12 · « **Reply #92 on:** April 06, 2024, 10:39:22 AM »

Markus played the way he was coached to.

The narrative about him only caring about numbers is horsesh*t.

MuggsyB · « **Reply #93 on:** April 06, 2024, 10:44:18 AM »

Markus would have benefited a lot from a better coach and overall defensive team. Not in your top 26 brother dgies? I find this shocking.

Did you also forger about Jimmy Butler? Tony Smith? Lazar?

Scott Merrit brother dgies?? Are you alright?

The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole · « **Reply #94 on:** April 06, 2024, 10:47:29 AM »

Quote from: MuggsyB on April 06, 2024, 10:44:18 AM

Markus would have benefited a lot from a better coach and overall defensive team. Not in your top 26 brother dgies? I find this shocking.

Oh it’s not shocking. Hilariously wrong? Yes. Shocking? No.

SaveOD238 · « **Reply #95 on:** April 06, 2024, 10:48:30 AM »

Quote from: frozena pizza on April 06, 2024, 10:35:46 AM

Pretty hard to come up with a best ever list if you're going to disregard statistics. Maybe just include everyone on the national championship team and be done with it.

The fact is that Markus was our all time leading scorer by a huge margin, one of the best 3 point shooters in college basketball history, stayed with the team for 4 years and was a gold standard for how he represented our program every day. Sure, maybe he didn't have any signature deep runs in the tournament (more due to Wojo and covid in my view) and had some deficiencies, but he was a truly elite player in our history.

On the all time scoring list, if you take out players who played at low-major and players who played in vastly different eras (admittedly big IFs) Markus is behind only Doug McDermott, Tyler Hansbrough, Allan Houston, and JJ Redick.

He is absolutely one of the top 10 greatest scorers in modern major college basketball history, so to exclude him from the top 26 players to ever play at Marquette is absurd.