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It still creeps me out that Buzz held a team meeting to circle the wagons before he allowed the players to be interviewed by DPS or anyone else.
From a psychological standpoint, the Marquette players are our "friends." We know them. We cheer for them. We care about them. For most of us on here, Marquette was our "home" for 4 years. We're proud to say we graduated from there and are proud of the education we got there. When "outsiders," like Tribune journalists, show up and start bad mouthing are friends and our home, it's human nature to go on the defensive. If people had actual friends involved in a situation like this, they would probably defend their friends and discredit the accuser even without having all of the facts. On the other hand, if their friend was the accuser, they'd be more likely to defend her and stand by her...unless, of course, they don't believe her account.
Really? You don't have to be an attorney to know what libel is.
The MU Athletics department is the aggrieved party here, isn't it?
So you're not an attorney. Just making sure.
Now we're getting off topic. Hence the different discussion about student athletes and pay to play/benefits, etc.
Horseshoe here's my argument about them being student athletes...do they go to classes? yes. are they athletes? yes. STUDENT-Athletes. If you doubt that they go to class, or anything of that nature come to Marquette and check it out.
Wait, wait, wait. From where are you coming up with this?There has never been a suggestion that Buzz Williams or anyone else didn't allow the players to be interviewed by DPS or anyone else. To the contrary, DA Chisholm - in a statement that hardly was friendly toward MU - said there is no evidence the coaching staff tried to interfere with the investigation. Are you suggesting that Buzz prevented players from talking to DPS, but Chisholm didn't see that as interference?It has been reported that Buzz met with the players before DPS did, but whether it was a "circle the wagons" meeting (as opposed to a "what the hell is going on?" meeting or a "I'm going to chew your a-- out" meeting) is pure speculation on your behalf.
The biggest point that stood out to me was that her closest friends bailed on her. True friends would stand by someone who had been through a tramatic experience like she claims to have gone through. IMO, that would far outweigh concerns over "social status." My initial impression is that those closest to her think she's full of it. The fact that she remains at MU despite feeling "alone" and "isolated" also reeks of someone who craves attention.
Wow, I'm very concerned for Benny. Being able to mimic Myron Medcalf's writing so closely implies an oncoming case of dementia.
You did non attorney man. I should have been more specific. Excuse me, now you're getting off topic.
You are a bitter bitter man, but I am over it...
MU would do its mission and the Jesuit community - not to mention the athletes involved - a favor by severing all ties with Mr. Boyle immediately... but that's just my opinion.
Can't one reasonably argue that it's unlikely that a rape victim's next moves at a party would be drinks, dancing and another trip to the bedroom with her tormentor's friends?
As for perception .... there's a word for the kind of person who would call into question one's guilt or innocence based on the quality or reputation of their defense attorney. That word is "moron." Obviously those people do exist, but who cares? I'm not overly concerned with the perception of the moron community.
I agree with you 100%. Unfortunately, America is full of morons, and occasionally some do slip through voir dire. If you're truly innocent, the last thing you want on your jury is a moron. Conversely, if you're guilty, you want as many morons on the jury as possible. The problem I have is that Jerry Boyle has, incidentally, been embracing the moron community for years.Also, to clarify... I'm not saying MU should cut Jerry loose to make the athletes appear more innocent; I'm simply stating my opinion that I don't think Jerry Boyle is a good representative of or for MU.
Pathetic that you would jump to such conclusions knowing as little about the case as you do. Really pathetic... And it wasn't that her story of rape didn't pass muster, it was that any criminal evidence of rape didn't exist by the time it was reported. That doesn't mean that people, including MU officials, Public Safety and the MPD didn't believe her. Just that it couldn't be proven beyond a reasonable doubt.And believe me, I am not saying that anyone raped her. All I know is, I most certainly would not drag people through the mud on either side based on my limited knowledge of what went on. People jumping to two-bit conclusions anonymously on a message board is about as sad as it gets.
Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned...End of story.
I readily admit that I don't know what happened -
My main problem lies with the way that stories are written nowadays. Obviously, the idea is to sell as many newspapers (people still buy them for some reason) as possible. What is most likely to sell papers? "Journalism" like this is what sells papers. It gets people all riled up when they can identify with a poor helpless drunk girl (because a lot of people have daughters or know daughters who attend college), and her plight against the faceless university.Words matter. Using words like "attack" (invokes thoughts of violence), "outcast among some of her closest friends" (who drew88 speculates she could not possess, having only been at school some two months). These guys were never going to get a fair shake in this article.While I do not condone the horrifying behavior of the student athletes, I think that the behavior of the victim was also questionable. I know it is extremely easy to look back at a situation and say that you were uncomfortable because you are now thinking clearly. How many people get in a car and drive home when they are a little too drunk, and realize how stupid that decision was the next day? What I am getting at is that the victim doesn't seem to accept any of the blame herself (or at least that is the way the Trib seems to report it). She drank the "big girl shots". She was at a private party (I know the reasons people go to private parties... to hook up... at least that is why I went). She went into a room with three of the guys. The blame should be shared by all who made the poor decisions... not just by the student athletes who are being demonized while the victim is being martyred.To put it plainly, I am pleased that she went to police... I wish she'd gone earlier, in fact. And I am very happy with the changes to the Marquette policies. I just think that this article is so obviously one sided that it should be taken for what it is. One sided.I can't wait for the response to this... I feel like I just tossed a hunk of meat to a pack of starving wolverines.
I was wondering when you were going to show up with your same, tired, two-bit theory. You and Lennys make quite the team....solving crimes from your keyboard.Honestly, I have never quite understood how people can be so quick to act like they KNOW what was going on when they have NO IDEA what actually went on.