2024 NFL Offseason and Draft Thread

[Pakuni]

Chances of finding a DE of equal or better value than Sweat in the top of the second round are pretty poor. Then even if you do, those guys take 2-3 years to develop typically.

The issue for me is less about Sweat's valuation as an early second round pick, but whether they needed to part with that pick to bring him on for the second half of a lost season, when they could have potentially added him or a similar player (Josh Allen or Brian Burns if not tagged, Marcus Davenport) as a FA in the offseason.

[WhiteTrash]

So ESPN article says about Young to 49ers, "The move cut ties with their most productive pass rusher this season"
Young has 12 solo tackles, 5 sacks and 0 forced fumbles
Sweat has 21 solo tackles, 6.5 sacks and  2 forced fumbles.

What am I missing?

[tower912]

Vikings pick up a QB.
Lions pick up a WR.


This could keep Minnesota in the playoff hunt.

[Pakuni]

Vikings pick up a QB.
Lions pick up a WR.


This could keep Minnesota in the playoff hunt.

Thinking Josh Dobbs keeps the Vikings in the playoff hunt is the most pessimistic Lions fan thing you've ever written.
(The Vikings undoubtedly win out now that I've written that).

[tower912]

The Lions should win the division.   I am talking wild card for Vikings.   Although.....Detroit closes with Minnesota 2x and @ Dallas.    Stranger things have happened.

[RJax55]

The issue for me is less about Sweat's valuation as an early second round pick, but whether they needed to part with that pick to bring him on for the second half of a lost season, when they could have potentially added him or a similar player (Josh Allen or Brian Burns if not tagged, Marcus Davenport) as a FA in the offseason.

Exactly. The Bears gave up a strong asset here (likely a top 40 pick) for a guy that could have been available for nothing. Why the rush? Let the market develop. The Bears were in a strong spot with cap space and picks to address DE, even if Sweat wasn't available.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

Thinking Josh Dobbs keeps the Vikings in the playoff hunt is the most pessimistic Lions fan thing you've ever written.
(The Vikings undoubtedly win out now that I've written that).

I don't think its THAT crazy to predict the Vikings will make the playoffs.  The Eagles, Cowboys, Niners, Seahawks and Lions seem very likely. Then you have the NFC South winner. And that leaves the Vikings in a mix with the likes of Rams, other South teams, etc.

Cousins IMO was going to get them there. But are a Dobbs-led Vikings that much worse than say the Falcons or Bucs?

[Uncle Rico]

I don't think its THAT crazy to predict the Vikings will make the playoffs.  The Eagles, Cowboys, Niners, Seahawks and Lions seem very likely. Then you have the NFC South winner. And that leaves the Vikings in a mix with the likes of Rams, other South teams, etc.

Cousins IMO was going to get them there. But are a Dobbs-led Vikings that much worse than say the Falcons or Bucs?

Too many teams make the playoffs

[tower912]

In all sports.   Damn those leagues trying to generate interest and revenue.

[Uncle Rico]

In all sports.   Damn those leagues trying to generate interest and revenue.

Wouldn’t happen if baby boomers were in charge

[WhiteTrash]

Exactly. The Bears gave up a strong asset here (likely a top 40 pick) for a guy that could have been available for nothing. Why the rush? Let the market develop. The Bears were in a strong spot with cap space and picks to address DE, even if Sweat wasn't available.

Poles is getting desperate. Not unlike HCs playing veterans rather than developing you players when they are headed to unemployment. Poles does not care what the Bears look like in 3 years or even next year. Classic 'death spiral'. 

[Pakuni]

Cousins IMO was going to get them there. But are a Dobbs-led Vikings that much worse than say the Falcons or Bucs?

Dobbs arguably will have more talent around him than his previous stops, but he's a career 1-9 as a starter, with a QB rating of 77.6. (for a reference point, Johnny Manziel put up a 79.4 in his last NFL season). The Vikings would be better off, IMO, rolling with Mullens.
We'll get to see Sunday how much better/worse than the Falcons they are.
Realistically, they need to go 3-2 in their next five, because three of their last four games are vs Detroit, @ Cincy and @Detroit. They should hope the Lions have nothing to play for in Week 17.

[jesmu84]

Sweat was worth a 2 and the younger Chase is a 3?

[WhiteTrash]

Sweat was worth a 2 and the younger Chase is a 3?

In no way take this as endorsement of the Sweat deal.

Sweat has better production this year and Young has a significant knee injury history.

[Pakuni]

Sweat was worth a 2 and the younger Chase is a 3?

Young really hasn't been the same since his rookie year.
But if anyone can fix him, it's Kris Kocurek. He's somehow made Cle Ferrell look like a competent pass rusher.

[jesmu84]

I don’t understand not paying Jaylon Johnson, who isn’t asking for elite CB1 money. Makes no sense.

https://x.com/RapSheet/status/1719437043543974226?s=20

Rumor has it he was asking for elite CB1 money

[4everwarriors]

The Bears will be drafting a QB in the 1st Round in April.

Probably haveta battle Green Bay chasin' a QB. #10 sucks major ass, hey?

[tower912]

The Raiders clean house.    McDaniels happened in Vegas, does not get to stay there.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

The Raiders clean house.    McDaniels happened in Vegas, does not get to stay there.

Are teams done hiring former Patriot coaches and front office guys? It was entirely about Belichick and Brady’s brilliance on the field. That’s it.

Anyway the Raiders seemed to be headed in the right direction under Reggie McKenzie, then Davis wanted to hire Gruden and it’s been downhill from there. Now McKenzie is in the personnel department in Miami. Hmmmm…

I would be 100% comfortable bringing him back to Green Bay.

[DegenerateDish]

Every game McDaniels coaches is just stubbornly disjointed both in approach and execution. Every time the camera pans to him, he has the same look of “I hope this isn’t the game I get exposed as a poor coach”. It’s just time to move on, be it now or at season’s end.

Outside of ownership, that should otherwise be an attractive gig. High draft pick forthcoming, lots of cap season this offseason.

Not a bold prediction on my part, but as I wrote this after Monday night’s game, it seemed like this was inevitably close to happening.

[Pakuni]

Are teams done hiring former Patriot coaches and front office guys? It was entirely about Belichick and Brady’s brilliance on the field. That’s it.

Anyway the Raiders seemed to be headed in the right direction under Reggie McKenzie, then Davis wanted to hire Gruden and it’s been downhill from there. Now McKenzie is in the personnel department in Miami. Hmmmm…

I would be 100% comfortable bringing him back to Green Bay.

Disagree a bit on McKenzie. He had one fantastic draft - Mack, Carr and the criminally underrated Gabe Jackson in 2014 - but his other drafts mostly stunk. Other 1st round picks included DJ Hayden, Gareon Conley and Karl Joseph. He got Amari Cooper in 2015, but his career has been about the minimum you'd hope for out of a #4 overall pick. Good player, but never a guy you think of as one of the league's best.
His FA signings were a mixed bag. Some really good - Crabtree, Rodney Hudson, Kelechi Osemele, Donald Penn - and some really bad - Sean Smith, Austin Howard, David Amerson.
His coaching hires were blah - Dennis Allen and JDR.
Anyhow, he wasn't terrible, but he wasn't good either. I don't think the Raiders were crazy to move on. What they've done since, though ... definitely crazy.
For the Raiders' sake, I hope Mark Davis saw his next HC running the Lions offense Monday night.

[Uncle Rico]

Disagree a bit on McKenzie. He had one fantastic draft - Mack, Carr and the criminally underrated Gabe Jackson in 2014 - but his other drafts mostly stunk. Other 1st round picks included DJ Hayden, Gareon Conley and Karl Joseph. He got Amari Cooper in 2015, but his career has been about the minimum you'd hope for out of a #4 overall pick. Good player, but never a guy you think of as one of the league's best.
His FA signings were a mixed bag. Some really good - Crabtree, Rodney Hudson, Kelechi Osemele, Donald Penn - and some really bad - Sean Smith, Austin Howard, David Amerson.
His coaching hires were blah - Dennis Allen and JDR.
Anyhow, he wasn't terrible, but he wasn't good either. I don't think the Raiders were crazy to move on. What they've done since, though ... definitely crazy.
For the Raiders' sake, I hope Mark Davis saw his next HC running the Lions offense Monday night.

If there was a landing spot for Harbaugh, even with NFL saber-rattling about honoring a NCAA suspension, this might be it. 

[Pakuni]

If there was a landing spot for Harbaugh, even with NFL saber-rattling about honoring a NCAA suspension, this might be it.

That's not s terrible idea. There's a history there.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

That's not s terrible idea. There's a history there.

I don't think its a great idea, but it is certainly one Davis will be perfectly willing to throw a lot of money at.

[Uncle Rico]

That's not s terrible idea. There's a history there.

It’s the one guy I thought of who might work there and with that ownership.