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i forgot about Matta. He had success at Ohio State. Not sure why he left...burn-out, maybe? I agree that getting a nba guy to drop down to college and chase HS kids in Hicktown ain’t happening. Hitting a home run on a college coach seems more difficult than on initial glance. Greg Gard has a top 5 team? Dang. Wojo of Duke pedigree can’t garner a ‘also receiving votes’ vote? Annual flameouts? I have no idea where MU turns...if MU even cares. All I know is getting the bend-over rubber glove tonight won’t be fun.
Down 1 w 5 seconds left. Doable.
The parameters are clear. You choose to ignore them because your argument holds no merit by staying within them.
I would suggest that only one of these worked out well in retrospect - Belein hired at Michigan.The rest either flopped (UCLA, Stanford, Georgetown) or are too early to tell (the rest)
He had some health/back problems, which, IIRC, translated into a lack of vigor on the recruiting trail.
I always liked watching WSU play and therefore always admired Marshall (albeit from afar). I've heard he's kind of a dick and not worth hiring. Am I wrong?
Beilein was a grand slam. Musselman appears to be a strong hire. Archie and Haase not so much. Hardaway and Ewing are both the same types of hires (former NBA players, alums, with no college coaching experience). UCLA is unique because Alford went to three Sweet 16s, but two .500 seasons and was fired. Cronin is a toss-up (although I struggle to see him doing better than Alford). The point I would make is that the risk of making no move at all (complacency) is far greater than the risk of making the wrong move (taking chances to succeed). If a school is in year seven of a coaching tenure, then it knows the trajectory, the floor and the ceiling. With the program and school's resources, conference affiliation and history, it should not be settling for the inconsistency and lack of postseason success (or appearances).
Cant admit you were wrong that I acknowledged his prior success? Should Georgetown have fired JT3? He had a final four sweet 16, 3 BE Championships, a big East tournament championship, a couple years removed from a second place finish.
The only name I would like to see coaching would be Joe Chapman. Start fresh. Doing great things in the youth market here.
What's clear is that in one particular season, you value pre-season predictions more than the actual results of that season. You say MU was well positioned because some predicted MU to do well that season. Obviously based on actual results of that season, MU was not positioned as well as 5 other teams in the league. I value results more than predictions, yes.
You said you acknowledged something and then decided to dismiss it entirely.
Because at the time we were talking about, that information was not available. FFS this is not a difficult concept. This is a thought exercise based on what was KNOWN at the time the league was refounded. If you can't engage the debate on those grounds, then your intellectual dishonesty is a waste of time.
That would be fun for the novelty and he’s done nice things with the youth program, but I wouldn’t want him as our next coach. At least Penny had five star players in his program and the NBA name recognition.I think TJO would be my number one hope. I’m warming up to Wardle as he continues to have success. Like Fluffy, these last few years have made me value winning over style of play.
Would Diener have any interest in being head coach? That's an experiment I would have some newfound patience for.
I think in today's black lives matter environment, I would hire Joe Chapman before I hired Diener.
The odds on favorite would have to be Wardle. What he has done at Bradley has been amazing.But this still feels...precarious. His temper has gotten him in trouble, and I think we would be winning a lot of games really ugly. But at this point I should probably just get off my high horse and just be satisfied with Ws, even if they're ugly.
TAMUI do know, Newsie is right on you knowing ball.
There have been many firings in recent college basketball memory where coaches have had success but simply did not meet expectations at said school. Firings are not as simple as having a losing season or having a scandal. Certain schools simply have higher expectations that the results that were being met. Tubby Smith, Memphis -Fired after missing the postseason in final seasonBen Howland, UCLA Blue blood, fired during off court scandalJohn Thompson III, Georgetown Fired after missing the postseason in his final yearTommy Amaker, Michigan Fired after missing the NCAAT in his final yearJohnny Dawkins, Stanford Fired after missing the postseason in his final yearMike Anderson, Arkansas Fired after missing the NCAAT in his final yearTom Crean, Indiana Fired after missing the NCAAT in his last season I'm not sure how the rest of year goes, and I am confident Wojo is back next year, but there is definitely precedent for top-35 schools making tough coaching changes, without a losing season and/or scandal, that leads to a change.
Not in those words
The thing all of your examples have in common is that the schools waited for them to actually have a bad season on the court or scandal off of it before firing them. No one set the bar for a bad season as "a losing season." The bar for program like Marquette is making the NCAAT. I'd argue Year 2 is the only season that Marquette could have justified firing Wojo and even then most people (even scoopers) would have said that was too quick of a hook. You could argue Year 4 but given the context of Marquette being projected to have its top team under Wojo in Year 5 (which ended up being true), I don't think any other program would have made that call. Years 3, 5, and 6, Wojo was unfireable.The argument isn't that more successful coaches than Wojo have been fired. The argument is that schools can't justify spending millions on firing a coach when the coach is coming off a good season. If COVID doesn't get in the way, Wojo will be fired the next time he has a bad season (assuming he doesn't have some significant success prior to that bad season).