The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread

[SMU17]

Buzz and Bedford are coming thanks...

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Buzz and Bedford are coming thanks...

You'll be sure to visit when neither of end up at SMU right?

[mviale]

SMU is the preppy rich kid school of Texas.  Marquette is a good middle class hard working school.  Buzz has a happy family here.  Buzz has a great nucleus coming back and more recruiting classes.  

[SMU17]

Not a fan of Milwaukee....except when I am going up to the resort in lake Geneva or the brat stop....more likely to visit the mu fans in Dallas....

Excited to get this big east party started....

[chapman]

Excited to get this big east party started....

So is DePaul.  They can't wait to get out of the cellar. 

[🏀]

Not a fan of Milwaukee....except when I am going up to the resort in lake Geneva or the brat stop....more likely to visit the mu fans in Dallas....

Excited to get this big east party started....

Lake Geneva resorts? Is this the 80s?

I meant make sure you keep posting after everything you have stated is wrong. It will be too easy to runaway when you find out you're an idiot.

[SMU17]

We won't be there long with buzz and Bedford....maybe never...otherwise you guys wouldn't be so angry that we are taking him...

The buyout will provide you guys with plenty of cash to replace him with....

We will both be better off

[SMU17]

Lake Geneva resorts? Is this the 80s?

I meant make sure you keep posting after everything to have stated is wrong. It will be too easy to runaway when you find out you're an idiot.

Is that English....I have No idea what that means....

[🏀]

We won't be there long with buzz and Bedford....maybe never...otherwise you guys wouldn't be so angry that we are taking him...

The buyout will provide you guys with plenty of cash to replace him with....

We will both be better off

What's the wager? Buzz and Benford to SMU, name your price.

[nyg]

Has a coach ever left a BE school for another BE school?  Is that even allowed?

[Hoopaloop]

Has a coach ever left a BE school for another BE school?  Is that even allowed?

No rule to prevent it.  Simple employment situation that unless his contract says he can't go to another school in the conference, nothing would prevent.  SMU doesn't begin playing until 2013 either.


Here's the thing, I doubt this will happen but I think a lot of you underestimate the state of Texas and specifically SMU.  They have more money than God down there.  Makes Marquette look like a junior college in terms of money.  They have been in hibernation for decades because of the death penalty.  Some of us are old enough to remember just how damn good that athletic program was when things were humming.  Now, they were cheating their fool heads off but it's not like SMU doesn't have an athletics tradition.

The invite to the Big East is looked upon down there as their chance to open up the flood gates.  They aren't joining to get their arses kicked in basketball and football.  Comparing them to DePaul is really short sighted.  SMU has resources 50X what DePaul has.  Remember when MU was invited to the Big East and we suffered through two NIT seasons and how many folks said we would get slaughtered in the Big East?  Rick Majerus anyone?  Cough cough.   We wouldn't let it happen because we prepared for two years for the Big East. 

This is what SMU is trying to do.  Ultimately Buzz will leave for Texas or another job down there, but I doubt it is SMU.  It is not impossible, however, as the money is incredible.  It's home and it's private.  Oh, and it's a religious school.  For all the harping on their arena, we don't even have one of our own. 

This is one of the dangers we signed up for when we hired a guy from outside the Midwest.  Always this possibility.  Maybe Milwaukee is home now, or maybe you can always return home (Texas). 

[texaswarrior74]

I've lived in Dallas for 32 years and my daughter is a 2L at SMU Law School so I know the school well.

Their basketball program has been irrelevant since Dave Bliss left and even when he was there they never sold their tiny facility out.

The undergrad student body is a mix of Highland Park (wealthiest area of Dallas where SMU is located) rich kids who see it as an extension of high school and other southern rich kids. It's got a HUGE Greek scene, the girls carry their $1200-1500 designer purses and drive BMWs and Land Cruisers and the guys are in their upturned collar Polo/Southern Tide shirts with brightly colored shorts .

Yes, the school has plenty of wealthy alum who love to throw their money around (I worked for one of their biggest donors for 14years) but what school in Texas doesn't? Even with June Jones turning the football program around they still can't fill a 45,000 seat stadium.

On September 24, 2010, the regular season attendance record was set at Gerald J. Ford Stadium when 35,481 people watched the TCU Horned Frogs face off against the SMU Mustangs. TCU won the game, 41–24. The overall attendance record is set at 36,742 for the 2010 Armed Forces Bowl between SMU and the Army Black Knights.

The undergrad school is and always has been a rich kid's party school despite numerous efforts to compete with Vanderbilt (the ULTIMATE rich kid's party school) academics. It does have a fine graduate business school, Divinity School and Law School as well as a very highly regarded school of the Arts.

I for one, would be shocked beyond words if Buzz left MU for SMU unless there is a problem between him and the administration that we are not aware of. Despite the money they can throw at a coach if they choose to, there is little to no community support for the program and the student body is apathetic at best about college basketball despite any drivel that SMU trolls might be spewing.

I'd start to be worried if and when Texas finally gets tired of Rick Barnes' teams collapsing every year because Texas truly does have an unlimited budget, great facilities and fan support and it's in Austin, the biggest college town in America. Fear the Orangebloods, not the Ponies.





  

[LON]

No rule to prevent it.  Simple employment situation that unless his contract says he can't go to another school in the conference, nothing would prevent.  SMU doesn't begin playing until 2013 either.


Here's the thing, I doubt this will happen but I think a lot of you underestimate the state of Texas and specifically SMU.  They have more money than God down there.  Makes Marquette look like a junior college in terms of money.  They have been in hibernation for decades because of the death penalty.  Some of us are old enough to remember just how damn good that athletic program was when things were humming.  Now, they were cheating their fool heads off but it's not like SMU doesn't have an athletics tradition.

The invite to the Big East is looked upon down there as their chance to open up the flood gates.  They aren't joining to get their arses kicked in basketball and football.  Comparing them to DePaul is really short sighted.  SMU has resources 50X what DePaul has.  Remember when MU was invited to the Big East and we suffered through two NIT seasons and how many folks said we would get slaughtered in the Big East?  Rick Majerus anyone?  Cough cough.   We wouldn't let it happen because we prepared for two years for the Big East. 

This is what SMU is trying to do.  Ultimately Buzz will leave for Texas or another job down there, but I doubt it is SMU.  It is not impossible, however, as the money is incredible.  It's home and it's private.  Oh, and it's a religious school.  For all the harping on their arena, we don't even have one of our own. 

This is one of the dangers we signed up for when we hired a guy from outside the Midwest.  Always this possibility.  Maybe Milwaukee is home now, or maybe you can always return home (Texas). 

Just admit it, typing all this was your Viagra tonight.

[Tugg Speedman]

No rule to prevent it.  Simple employment situation that unless his contract says he can't go to another school in the conference, nothing would prevent.  SMU doesn't begin playing until 2013 either.


Here's the thing, I doubt this will happen but I think a lot of you underestimate the state of Texas and specifically SMU.  They have more money than God down there.  Makes Marquette look like a junior college in terms of money.  They have been in hibernation for decades because of the death penalty.  Some of us are old enough to remember just how damn good that athletic program was when things were humming.  Now, they were cheating their fool heads off but it's not like SMU doesn't have an athletics tradition.

The invite to the Big East is looked upon down there as their chance to open up the flood gates.  They aren't joining to get their arses kicked in basketball and football.  Comparing them to DePaul is really short sighted.  SMU has resources 50X what DePaul has.  Remember when MU was invited to the Big East and we suffered through two NIT seasons and how many folks said we would get slaughtered in the Big East?  Rick Majerus anyone?  Cough cough.   We wouldn't let it happen because we prepared for two years for the Big East.  

This is what SMU is trying to do.  Ultimately Buzz will leave for Texas or another job down there, but I doubt it is SMU.  It is not impossible, however, as the money is incredible.  It's home and it's private.  Oh, and it's a religious school.  For all the harping on their arena, we don't even have one of our own.  

This is one of the dangers we signed up for when we hired a guy from outside the Midwest.  Always this possibility.  Maybe Milwaukee is home now, or maybe you can always return home (Texas).  

Again you way over estimate money.  It matters to a point and MU is at that point for basketball.  Doubling or tripling the endowment would not change anything for the basketball program.

The largest endowment in the Big East is ND ($6.26 billion in 2011).  I don't see them blowing the doors of the rest of the conference.  Would you rather be them or MU (in basketball)?

Northwestern has the second biggest endowment in the Big 10, just after Michigan (Michigan $7.8 billion, NU $7.2 billion).  How has this helped their revenue sports programs?

Duke has the largest endowment in the ACC ($5.75 billion).  Is this money the reason for their basketball success?  Why doesn't this money mean a better football program?

Endowment is the wrong metric.  It's well-heeded patrons of the sport.  See Boone Pickens and his support of Oklahoma State football.

MU has Dick Strong.

Lastly, SMU has a large endowment when measured against MU.  But at $1.2 billion fully 59 schools have larger endowments.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_colleges_and_universities_in_the_United_States_by_endowment

[PonyFanz]

SMU is the preppy rich kid school of Texas.  Marquette is a good middle class hard working school.  Buzz has a happy family here.  Buzz has a great nucleus coming back and more recruiting classes.  

Leaving MU would not be a slap at your school.  Texans love living in TX.  I cannot wait to return.SMU is a great school in a great, growing city. Like it or not, the population in this country is shifting towards places like Dallas.

SMU has (or will have) great facilities for basketballl.  There is no reason he cannot succeed with the resources he will have.  With the move to the Big East, the school is stepping up to rebuild our BB program.   Buzz or no Buzz, we won't be Depaul. 

As for academics, there were three SMU alums in my graduate school class at Yale.  In my fraternity alone, we had people admitted to law/b-school school at UT, Vandy, Harvard, Yale, SMU, Stanford, and various medical schools.  

Finally, while there are certainly rich kids at SMU (my girlfriend got a diamond faced Rolex for graduation), most of the students come from middle class families.  As a little girl, my mother was a migrant farm worker in South Texas with the other Mexican immigrants.  Despite being a minority and middle class (mom is a public school teacher), SMU students were universally welcoming.  

[GGGG]

Believe me, everyone here wants SMU to improve their basketball program.  Just without Buzz.  And look if moving back to Texas was a primary concern of Buzz's, he would have looked at the A&M job. 

[MUFC9295]

Like it or not, the population in this country is shifting towards places like Dallas.

Only when flights connect at DFW.  Or maybe hou meant the population in Texas.  But Texas, especially Dallas, isnt all that appealing.  It's a series of disconnected suburbs with no meaningful downtown, poor mass transit and no identity.  Really.  The hospitality industry in Dallas struggles to attract people for business and pleasure.  What is Dallas know  for? Personally, I'll take Fort Worth over Dallas.  At least it has that without the pretentious attitude.  And no one wants to go to FW.

[GGGG]

If Buzz leaves because of his relationship with Larry Williams, I would be just as disappointed in Buzz for throwing in the towel after just a few months of working together.  Relationships can be repaired and Buzz should know this.  Remember how he yanked Jamil around during his recruitment?  Well, that worked itself out. 

[Tugg Speedman]

If Buzz leaves because of his relationship with Larry Williams, I would be just as disappointed in Buzz for throwing in the towel after just a few months of working together.  Relationships can be repaired and Buzz should know this.  Remember how he yanked Jamil around during his recruitment?  Well, that worked itself out. 

So Buzz is so desperate to get out of Milwuakee that he will take the next job offer, after turning down, oklahoma, a&m, Arkansas and Illinois?  This makes no sense.

And if buzz takes smu for more money than god, believe me they will expect three burger boys next year.  And more the year after.  You don't make him one of the highest paid coaches in the land for nothing.  If has not (yet) do that here, why would he instantly be able to do that at a terrible big 12 team with no tradition and lousy facilities?

Buzz has established his Wisconsin and Chicago recruiting base.  Vander Blue, Jamil Wilson are here.  JMay, Dwight Buycks and Reggie Smith were here.  Burton, Steve Taylor, Duane Wilson are coming.  Kenrick Nunn, Kevon Looney, Diamond Stone considering.  This does not transfer to SMU.

Finally this came up with the Oklahoma discussion last year. Buzz made a comment that he is a Texan but his kids are not. All they know is Milwaukee so he lives with a bunch of cheese heads.  He stayed after Crean left to either remain an assistant or get the head job precisely becuase he no longer wanted the nomad live.  It worked for him.  Now he gets paid well, has a great house and is doing well at a top school in the best conference.  Where is the upside for leaving all this to take on a "New Orleans vision 2" type of project?

As it was said above, SMU is career suicide for Buzz.  Great move for Benford.  Illinois makes more sense for Buzz but they apparently know better than to even ask.

[Tugg Speedman]

Leaving MU would not be a slap at your school.  Texans love living in TX.  I cannot wait to return.SMU is a great school in a great, growing city. Like it or not, the population in this country is shifting towards places like Dallas.

SMU has (or will have) great facilities for basketballl.  There is no reason he cannot succeed with the resources he will have.  With the move to the Big East, the school is stepping up to rebuild our BB program.   Buzz or no Buzz, we won't be Depaul. 

As for academics, there were three SMU alums in my graduate school class at Yale.  In my fraternity alone, we had people admitted to law/b-school school at UT, Vandy, Harvard, Yale, SMU, Stanford, and various medical schools.  

Finally, while there are certainly rich kids at SMU (my girlfriend got a diamond faced Rolex for graduation), most of the students come from middle class families.  As a little girl, my mother was a migrant farm worker in South Texas with the other Mexican immigrants.  Despite being a minority and middle class (mom is a public school teacher), SMU students were universally welcoming.  

Your comment say you know nothing about Buzz and his background.  Go see his comments from last year's sweet 16 run about how he wants broken kids from tough backgrounds that are willing to work. About how his kids understand 15 pessengar vans and ordering dinner by a number ("I'll have the number 7 combo meal")

Go read about Jimmy Butler's childhood, about how is we abandoned at 13 and forced to live on the streets.

Go see CNN's story about Marquette's basketball program that ran earlier this week.

If you told Buzz what was written above, he would run AWAY for your school.  His personality and the descrtion above do not fit each other.

[real chili 83]

Just looked through the on line sports section of the Dallas paper.  Nothing written about Buzz, let alone SMU.

[We R Final Four]

Like it or not, the population in this country is shifting towards places like Dallas.

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Si, Senor.

[Ellenson Guerrero]

Not a fan of Milwaukee....except when I am going up to the resort in lake Geneva or the brat stop....more likely to visit the mu fans in Dallas....

Excited to get this big east party started....

Obvious UW troll. Nobody from Texas knows about the brat stop...

[PonyFanz]

Only when flights connect at DFW.  Or maybe hou meant the population in Texas.  But Texas, especially Dallas, isnt all that appealing.  It's a series of disconnected suburbs with no meaningful downtown, poor mass transit and no identity.  Really.  The hospitality industry in Dallas struggles to attract people for business and pleasure.  What is Dallas know  for? Personally, I'll take Fort Worth over Dallas.  At least it has that without the pretentious attitude.  And no one wants to go to FW.

The DFW Metroplex is one of the fastest growing areas in the country.  Insulting Dallas with Ft Worth is funny b/c it is part of what the Metroplex offers.  The Metroplex has a vibrant economy based upon tech, telecom, energy, banking, and transportation. 

In contrast, Milwaukee has been shrinking since the 60's.  Milwaukee has ???? to attract new businesses and residents. 

source:  http://www.dallasnews.com/news/community-news/dallas/headlines/20100324-Dallas-Fort-Worth-area-topping-the-7663.ece

[PonyFanz]

Like it or not, the population in this country is shifting towards places like Dallas.



Si, Senor.

De Nada.  Mexican Americans like me are a large part of Texas culture and the economy.