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NIL is the ruination of college athletics, as we know it. The rich will get richer..., hey?
Never felt more confident of the future of college athletics
Confident of what?
It won't be the "ruination" of anything and the rich have always gotten richer.Not sure if in the long run it will benefit Marquette however.
So if it won't be good for Marquette is it safe to say it will be much worse for mid-majors? And if that's the case the tournament becomes way, way, way, worse?
Never fails, the Wizard puts everything in prospective, aina?
Well “the tournament” isn’t “college athletics.” So what is bad for one isn’t necessarily bad for the other.
Why bother calling it "college athletics"?
So, the elites get the best players and the non-elites fight to build teams out of the thousands of basketball players not recruited by the elites.
There's more to it than just that. This could be an unmitigated disaster Tower.
Adapt or die. The NCAA had a plethora of opportunities over the years to change and it ignorantly held firm in the belief of "amateur" athletics - something that really hasn't truly existed in its written form in decades. It developed into a billion dollar industry with free labor, and ultimately the courts have viewed what is the amateur model of the NCAA as unconstitutional with all of the rulings it has either passed or upheld. Marquette can continue to be a high-level program within this current landscape. It has the market, it has the focus (no football) and it has the support behind the scenes. I am not worried at all about that. What will need to happen is to let the market settle over the course of several years for there to be a wider and better understanding of NIL, the portal and have some type of consistency. What is a by-product of the current system is that there are many student-athletes that have not signed any written agreement, but promised $$$ through NIL, that never came through or went unfulfilled. There should be a standard contract for all these student-athletes (and schools/NIL providers can put a final pay date at the end of a season, thus preventing or encouraging mid-season or even postseason transfers). Protects both sides IMO. There's still so much to figure out that a majority of current athletic departments and coaches don't fully grasp yet.
Don't undermine a good post with false claims of "free labor". You threaten your credibility.
Not being ruined, at least by NIL.Ruined by conferences? Yes. Ruined by the people leading it? Yes. Not by NIL
Under compensated labor.
You didn’t answer the question what you’re feeling so confident about. And you provided examples of what you think may ruin it.
I’m confident NIL won’t ruin college sports because college sports as we know it are over.NIL is simply the result of the people running the sport burying their heads in the sand despite all the evidence pointing to this inevitability. What will happen is, the Big Ten and SEC and whatever monolith they’ll create for football will use NIL and the portal and whatever other doomsday happening as an excuse for why they have to split from the NCAA when the real reason is, they just want that sweet TV money. They have a solid foundation of fans that will believe they had no choice because NIL and these maladies forced their hands but it’s not true.How this will change college basketball remains to be seen because football drives it all, but no, it’s not an NIL problem. It’s a money problem all right, just not the money problem generating angst.
Good thing that recruiting is an inexact science and many players develop when they age
You're right, but the downside of that is that the elite programs are going to poach a bunch of those players after they develop.
Here's what we need:https://badgerswire.usatoday.com/2024/04/17/wisconsin-badgers-football-nil-beer-varsity-collective-launch/Someone with a connection to a local brewery needs to get them connected with the MU NIL collective and get us our own NIL brew.
are you contributing $ to Marquette basketball player salaries?
I think this deserves a separate thread. Personally I hate it, but get that these are the times. I also think realignment is awful as well. Imagine being in the B20, not having charter planes, and going to a mid-week track meet from Cali to College Park? Anyway, will there be an NIL cap and can MU compete with schools with much larger endowments and alumni bases? Will it get to a point where Ivies and Stanford for example just pay for the best talent? All of this concerns me. I'd prefer not to get rid of my islands and planes.
There's been a lot of collab with Good City brewing and David is a MU law alum. Not sure how they feel about doing an NIL thing, but it'd be pretty good to have an NIL beer right by the stadium...
Good City, Gathering Place, and Broken Bat all collaborated with the student-run Blue & Gold Brewing to develop the '77 Golden Ale last year and The Beer Can Cream Ale this year. I would probably say it's worth bringing to B&G Brewing's attention as it would be multi-purposed.
Why not connect the Be the Difference NIL collective with MU's own student business venture, Blue and Gold Brewing https://www.bandgbrewing.com?
The MU Alumni and Supporter community has limited resources.You know this how?
Will say this here rather than further corrupting the transfer portal thread. I get the frustration with NIL and the thought this will drive fans away. I had that moment with college football over a decade ago with the first big conference reorganization and the demise of that version of the Big East. The same problem with men's professional golf right now.Greed is still one of the seven deadlies.
Except there is no real evidence that fans are being driven away from college football or college basketball. And while I agree that conference realignment is greed, I don't think NIL is. The current NIL environment is all about the NCAA and its member school digging in on amateurism until it lost control of its own destiny. The fact is many college athletes had values greater than their scholarships, and now we are living in an environment where they are allowed to max out those values.And honestly good for them. There has been a lot of money flowing around intercollegiate athletics for years and it has mostly been used to build fancy new buildings and enrich the coaches and administrators in charge. So I am not going to hand-wring about Jonas Aidoo getting $1.4 million. I have no idea if its sustainable or not. That's not my problem. It certainly isn't Jonas' problem. Grab that bag! Be smart with it. You will have a jump start on life that 99% of people your age won't have.So don't blame the players because the adults in charge were unwilling to change. If everyone could go back a decade, the path would be easy. But a lot of people were paid a lot of money to be "in charge" of something. And they ended up REALLY bad at it.
I think the ramifications of all of this are far worse than the obvious.
Who isn't? I have long thought that college athletes should get a stipend. The legendary Jim Chones story comes to mind. What we have now is the chaos that comes from a new product, a new way to make money, without enough guidelines.
Like what?
Like college players betting a lot more because they have cash. Or teammates resentful that they don't and betting to make up for it. The easy access to sports gambling is very, very, bad, Fluffy. You realize that young kids are being bombarded with Fanduel and these ads constantly while they watch pretty much anything. This is a societal issue, and those that get directly involved in college sports, that can impact making a quick buck by their actions, will be constantly tempted.
Muggsy, you do realize that there are 4 or 5 on here, two of whom might be one, that will counter, argue and argue some more…on any post? In fact, have some fun. Post something totally made-up. Make it crazy outlandish. Then, sit back and watch these select have at it. They’ll debate themselves. The ‘always right’ crew live on Scoop, my friend.
Will say this here rather than further corrupting the transfer portal thread. I get the frustration with NIL and the thought this will drive fans away. I had that moment with college football over a decade ago with the first big conference reorganization and the demise of that version of the Big East. The same problem with men's professional golf right now.Greed is still one of the seven deadlies. A long time ago, when you could still occasionally have a rational conversation with Chico, I argued that greed and narcissism were the biggest threats to society. I haven't seen much to change my mind in the last dozen or so years.
Agree with the overall premise of this. I also agree with others that say it’s not the athletes problem. I’m still not sure any of this is sustainable with regard to the athletes as there is still no ROI for people funding this except for playing “GM/owner” of something you don’t own and are not the GM of. Basically it’s still lighting money on fire. There can be only one national champion each year and 100s of millions of dollars thrown down the toilet. When will donors get smart when it simply doesn’t work and they realize throwing more money at the players doesn’t change the fact that they are still only college players who are prone to stumble and bumble their way through seasons.Owners like Jerry Jones or Jerry Reinsdorf (I just threw up in my mouth ) pay players but also get value in return. These donors get nothing except pride when the money is reasonable. They will be getting fleeced as the money becomes more unreasonable. It just doesn’t seem sustainable unless Saudi oil is backing you. And they are literally lighting their money on fire with the LIV tour.
I think the Saudi's should pull a LIV on college basketball. Start funding a no-status school like Chicago State, pay the top 10 players each year $5M and own the tourney year after year. Then we might see the top conferences/school sing a different tune about NIL fairness.
Why would the Saudis do this? At least their investments in golf have a potential financial benefit down the line. What is supporting a public university's basketball team going to do for them?
I don't recall I or anyone else here blaming the athlete. That's not the freaking point. I'd be pissed if Kam or if any of our players are/were poached but wouldn't be upset with them. The current NIL system sucking has nothing to do with how much the NCAA has sucked. The tournament alone generates how much in revenue? Can they not distribute far more of this cash to the teams /players? And add cash opportunities with jersey and likeness stuff? Paying individual players salaries in the 1-5 million dollar range will not benefit the sport imo. There needs to be incentives for staying at a particular school or some sort of cap. The only way this is solvable is if some of the great minds here come up with better solutions.
Here?!? No one here is fixing this problem, lol
I don't recall I or anyone else here blaming the athlete. That's not the freaking point. I'd be pissed if Kam or if any of our players are/were poached but wouldn't be upset with them. The current NIL system sucking has nothing to do with how much the NCAA has sucked.
The tournament alone generates how much in revenue? Can they not distribute far more of this cash to the teams /players?
And add cash opportunities with jersey and likeness stuff?
Paying individual players salaries in the 1-5 million dollar range will not benefit the sport imo. There needs to be incentives for staying at a particular school or some sort of cap. The only way this is solvable is if some of the great minds here come up with better solutions.
Huh, are you not a capitalist?