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Author Topic: Mark Miller's NY2LA Tournament Observations  (Read 6136 times)

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Mark Miller's NY2LA Tournament Observations
« on: June 03, 2008, 02:09:04 PM »
http://www.wissports.net/sports/hoopsb/article.asp?nid=14854

He named Jamil Wilson the MVP of the 17u division.  He also singled out Kyle Kelm for praise in the 16u division.

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Re: Mark Miller's NY2LA Tournament Observations
« Reply #1 on: June 03, 2008, 02:51:20 PM »
Sounds like Jamil will look good in new uniforms. His signing brings INSTANT credibility to Buzz and the program.

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Re: Mark Miller's NY2LA Tournament Observations
« Reply #2 on: June 03, 2008, 07:03:53 PM »
Badger fans are hoping that UW-madison offers a 3/4 scholarship for Kelm.  In other words, first year he pays and years 2-4 he's on scholarship when one opens up.

An advantage that a state school has with in-state tuition.  It's a practice that I believe should be outlawed as it will almost always work against any private school in a state due to the inherent differences in tuition costs.


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Re: Mark Miller's NY2LA Tournament Observations
« Reply #3 on: June 04, 2008, 08:29:21 AM »
Chicos,
Wouldn't we offer a 4 year scholarship.  I don't understand how he would view WI as a better offer.

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Re: Mark Miller's NY2LA Tournament Observations
« Reply #4 on: June 04, 2008, 09:21:35 AM »
Chicos,
Wouldn't we offer a 4 year scholarship.  I don't understand how he would view WI as a better offer.

Because it's Wisconsin.  Lots of people from that area, or basically any area in the state except Milwaukee, grow up dreaming about being able to play for the Badgers.  If having to pay for one year is a sacrifice you have to make to do that, it's not a big deal because 60 years from now when you are living on a farm in Clintonville, you'll be able to tell your grandkids you were a Badger.  That's just how a lot of people in this state think. 

Look at JP Gavinski.  He was a fringe top 100 player with offers from quite a few schools including MU.  He could have gone to anyone one of them and received a ton of playing time possibly even been a starter by now.  Instead, he's played a grand total of 16 minutes in two years.  But you don't hear him complain about it.  In fact it's quite the opposite.  The kid loves being a Badger, he's said the greatest moment in his life was when he signed with UW, and there's no worries about transferring.  There's even talk that he likes being there so much, he'd be willing to give up a scholarship so that UW could sign Jamil Wilson or some other stud in 2009 or 2010.  It's just the way things work around here.

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Re: Mark Miller's NY2LA Tournament Observations
« Reply #5 on: June 04, 2008, 09:33:24 AM »
Chicos,
Wouldn't we offer a 4 year scholarship.  I don't understand how he would view WI as a better offer.

Because if he dreams of playing at Wisconsin then sucking it up to pay a few grand for in state tuition for one year isn't that big a sacrifice.  That's why I believe that rule should be thrown out, it is disadvantageous to all private schools because of the cost of tuition vs an in-state prospect.

I'm not saying this kid will do this, he will have plenty of full ride scholarships, but it does give a school like UW-madison a way to get around the spirit of the rules to have the kid come on as a walk-on and then get a scholarship after one opens up at very little expense to the player / player's family.

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Re: Mark Miller's NY2LA Tournament Observations
« Reply #6 on: June 04, 2008, 10:10:21 AM »
It's Wisconsin.....It's Wisconsin.

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Re: Mark Miller's NY2LA Tournament Observations
« Reply #7 on: June 04, 2008, 11:23:07 AM »
come on as a walk-on and then get a scholarship after one opens up

So you don't think schools should be able to convert walk-ons to scholarship players?

I agree it gives schools with low tuition an advantage in cases where a player agrees to a deal like that, but I think you're over-regulating to try to close up a "loophole".  Not to mention if you close it up, you probably end up screwing all the true walk-ons in the world that managed to play their way into a scholarship.

In short - I say leave it alone.  If a kid really wants to go to a school, he'll figure out a way to go.  Hell, my family couldn't afford Marquette, but I found a way to pay for the 4 years...

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Re: Mark Miller's NY2LA Tournament Observations
« Reply #8 on: June 04, 2008, 11:44:43 AM »
So you don't think schools should be able to convert walk-ons to scholarship players?

I agree it gives schools with low tuition an advantage in cases where a player agrees to a deal like that, but I think you're over-regulating to try to close up a "loophole".  Not to mention if you close it up, you probably end up screwing all the true walk-ons in the world that managed to play their way into a scholarship.

In short - I say leave it alone.  If a kid really wants to go to a school, he'll figure out a way to go.  Hell, my family couldn't afford Marquette, but I found a way to pay for the 4 years...

I don't have a problem with walk-ons being able to convert to a scholarship in theory.  However, if a kid is considered a high major recruit with many offers from high majors then it exposes a rather large loophole in the system.  Right now teams are limited to 12 scholarships for a reason.  But a school could take advantage of that with the walk-on status and have 15 or 16 or whatever they wanted (there is no limitation of players on a team) and essentially bank players like the schools used to do back in the days of 15 scholarships.  That's one of the reasons the NCAA reduced it to 12 in the first place.

It's a dangerous precedent and it also opens up potential other mischief, like Uncle Ed helping to pay for the kid's tuition when Uncle Ed is a booster, etc, etc.  The pay your own way loophole was used by Washington State this year to gain an advantage and can be used elsewhere, mostly at public schools where tuition is much cheaper especially for in-state kids.  I think you'll see more and more schools take advantage of this to the detriment of private schools that cannot compete from a cost standpoint.


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Re: Mark Miller's NY2LA Tournament Observations
« Reply #9 on: June 04, 2008, 08:52:51 PM »
Wilson will end up at MU. Take it to the bank!!!! Wilson,EW, Lacy and Maymon give us top 10 recruiting class.

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Re: Mark Miller's NY2LA Tournament Observations
« Reply #10 on: June 04, 2008, 08:54:23 PM »
Ah, which bank?
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Re: Mark Miller's NY2LA Tournament Observations
« Reply #11 on: June 05, 2008, 07:20:27 AM »
4ever----The Final Four Bank in '10!!!!!

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Re: Mark Miller's NY2LA Tournament Observations
« Reply #12 on: June 05, 2008, 08:46:38 AM »
I agree MU remains in good shape with Wilson, though Michigan State is coming on strong along with a host of others.

Not quite as confident about Lacy for a variety of reasons.

As for 4everwarriors ... didn't he repeatedly say Jeronne Maymon wouldn't end up at Marquette?

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Re: Mark Miller's NY2LA Tournament Observations
« Reply #13 on: June 05, 2008, 02:15:50 PM »
Yep, and just because he verballed, doesn't guarantee he'll wear a Warrior's uni.
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