[Cracked Sidewalks] Daily Update

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Daily Update

Written by: noreply@blogger.com (Henry Sugar)

Just catching folks up on the various bits of Marquette information spreading across the airwaves:

Continuing on the original Rivals article by Bob McClellan that we commented on last week, Rivals has a new article asking "Was Williams the right choice for Marquette?.  The article starts off by saying that

It's fair to categorize Marquette's hiring of Buzz Williams to replace Tom Crean as a major surprise

McClellan calls the hire a "Good Hire" (not great), but the co-author Andrew Skwara calls it a "Questionable".  Read the link for additional information.  Just like the original article sparked a six page thread on MUScoop, the new article is likewise generating further debate.

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Rosiak's excellent blog covered Crean's MU Salary yesterday.  Crean earned $1.85 million in the fiscal year ending June 30, 2007 and was by far the highest paid faculty member at the school.  The article has additional details, including comparisons with other coaches.

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In some good news, the Chicago Tribune has a front page story about McNeal, titled "Marquette's McNeal intent on taking his shot at NBA".  Just like Dominic James last year, the situation is really a win-win for McNeal.  He gets to test out the process and receive NBA feedback, and his worst case scenario is returning for his senior year.

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Buzz Williams was the featured guest on the Dennis Krause show yesterday afternoon.  According to GoMarquette.com's  release, the show will be broadcast over two dozen times in the next week.  You could also watch it on the internet (requires IE)

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Finally, Time Warner Sports is re-broadcasting classic Marquette games throughout the summer.  The station will broadcast a different Marquette game every Friday night, with an encore presentation on Sunday evening.  The schedule features only Marquette victories (which is nice), and includes competition such as Pitt, Cincy, Louisville, Duke, South Carolina, and "It's Indiana, It's Indiana".  This week's game is  Louisville at Marquette (2/20/97).  Check the link for more details.

http://www.crackedsidewalks.com/2008/05/daily-update.html

[HarveysWallbangers]

I have now seen/heard Buzz interviewed on three occasions and have yet to see anything that suggests he is capable of "blowing away" the powers that be at Marquette during the interview process.

Is that not what we were told...that his interviews "blew them away?" I guess that's not hard to do when nobody else interviews.   

[Niv Berkowitz]

Well, when your AD has zero experience hiring a head coach, only talks to people via phone, and never brings anyone else in to personally interview, I guess it's hard to disagree with C-ham.

If he has nobody to compare Buzz too, that would mean Buzz was the best interview ever. That happens when the deck is stacked in your favor.

[MUBasketball]

Harvey and Niv, you two are really starting to annoy me.

Do you have any idea what went into the process? Didn't think so.

As I mentioned on the other board, this is my biggest gripe. The entire MU athletic administration (as well as Cords who was involved with this search), Big East respresentatives, and various people coast-to-coast all had great things to say about Buzz. He comes very highly regarded. People who actually know him and know the coaching profession.

Yet, a few salty crybabies who know nothing about him continue to piss and moan and insist it's a bad hire.

Again I repeat, a lot of people who know a lot about basketball think very highly of Buzz.

I'd just like to know who should have been hired instead??? Perfect example: Greg McDermott. He was a hot coach a few years ago at Northern Iowa. What's he done at Iowa State? Not a damn thing. Would Chris Lowery be a better choice? Some of SIU's fans don't think he's anything special. There are no "guarantees" in a coaching search.

Sorry to jump on you guys. Everybody is entitled to their opinions. If you are slightly apprehensive about the hire and the future, I can understand that. But why is it so hard to believe that he really won them over when they interviewed him, and also came with very high recommendations. Isn't that how most people get jobs? I just think it's frustrating that people can't accept it, and give him their full support. I think everybody will be very pleased with this hire in time.

[NYWarrior]

Again I repeat, a lot of people who know a lot about basketball think very highly of Buzz.

The same was said of the decision to hire Bob Dukiet.  Do you think MU would get folks on the record who would say Buzz was a bad hire?  Or that any fellow coach or broadcaster would hammer the hire?  Not gonna happen.

why is it so hard to believe that he really won them over when they interviewed him, and also came with very high recommendations. Isn't that how most people get jobs?

Yes, though most interview competitively for an open position.  That's the biggest issue here - and it stinks even more when u consider the Cottingham hiring process, where MU failed to open itself up to introspection, scrutiny and perspectives from folks outside of O'Hara Hall and The Al.  Heck, its easy to look like the best candidate when u are the only one that MU truly interviewed -- and that interview was conducted by somebody who thinks one and done is enough (since it was good enough for him).  Sure Cottingham reached out and contacted others -- but that is far from an interview. 

I just think it's frustrating that people can't accept it, and give him their full support.

Support for Buzz?  The arguments are rooted in frustration at MU's decision-making capabilities.

I think everybody will be very pleased with this hire in time.

Sure hope so.  He's inherited a fine team for this upcoming season.  Now let's stay healthy and get some new talent into the mix (I have no doubt he will easily out-recruit Crean).  Go Buzz!

[HarveysWallbangers]

Harvey and Niv, you two are really starting to annoy me.

The entire MU athletic administration (as well as Cords who was involved with this search), Big East respresentatives, and various people coast-to-coast all had great things to say about Buzz. He comes very highly regarded. People who actually know him and know the coaching profession.

Remember that time when a university hired a basketball coach and the AD, fellow conference members and "various people" immediately ripped him as a terrible coach and a gigantic mistake?

Neither do I.

You're telling us because Marquette is telling us it's a good hire, it's a good hire. These are the same people who insisted "Gold" was a genius decision. The same people who failed to interview a SINGLE CANDIDATE for our athletic director position. The same people that didn't bother to interview anybody other than an inexperienced assistant for our head coaching job...a self described basketball "junkie" who admitted he knew nothing about Marquette or the Big East LESS THAN A YEAR AGO!!!!

I am as much as guaranteeing you...this guy is in so far over his head we're going to need Babe Winkelman to fish him out.

I am not "slightly apprehensive" about the hire. I watch this guy in interviews and I think it's a disaster waiting to happen. Watch that interview and tell me he's got what it takes to coach against Calhoun, Huggins, Pitino, Boeheim, JTIII, Dixon, Wright, etc.  

This guy is a high school JV coach...not Big East material. Do you honestly believe he's the best we could do?!

My God...wake the heck up!

[nola03]

Basketball--

Do you realize that your childish reactions only enhance the enmity?

Keep throwing around that we don't know anything about the process. Neither do you. As I wrote in another thread, nothing beats people who know nothing about the process blasting people who know nothing about the process blasting the search.

Why is it so hard for people to believe that he really won them over when they interviewed him? One example would be his answer to what kind of style he coaches and his philosophy. That's right, he hasn't given an answer.

I still don't understand how, 6 weeks after he was hired, we don't have one article from a writer in which Buzz Williams is quoted as explaining the offense he wants to run and his defensive principles. For this fan, that is shocking. I'd rather have TC's coachspeak then non-answers.

[jce]

Remember that time when a university hired a basketball coach and the AD, fellow conference members and "various people" immediately ripped him as a terrible coach and a gigantic mistake?

Neither do I.

You're telling us because Marquette is telling us it's a good hire, it's a good hire. These are the same people who insisted "Gold" was a genius decision. The same people who failed to interview a SINGLE CANDIDATE for our athletic director position. The same people that didn't bother to interview anybody other than an inexperienced assistant for our head coaching job...a self described basketball "junkie" who admitted he knew nothing about Marquette or the Big East LESS THAN A YEAR AGO!!!!

I am going to trust that the Marquette administration knows what it is doing.  First, they know more than we do about who would make a better coach.  Second, outside of the Gold fiasco (which was the result at the picking of an old wound by a Trustee of all people) Father Wild's administration has made fantastic decisions in all aspects of operating the University.  They deserve the benefit of the doubt.

Certainly they have more credibility than a guy on a message board that says "Hey, I saw him on television and he doesn't seem all that impressive."  

[MUBasketball]

Harvey, you are wrong. No two ways about it.

I think he's a good interview. I guess we see things differently.

I'm not going to pretend to be some big source who knows all sorts of people in basketball. But, I'm a subscriber on the Scout board. Mark Miller knows a lot of people. People who, again, know what they are talking about think very highly of Buzz.

I'd give you a lot more respect if you had reasons, tangible evidence, to back up your stance that he is in "way over his head".

Has he worked for good, successful coaches? Check.
Have programs improved while he was there? Check.
Can he recruit at a high level? Check.

What's the problem here? Do you have any idea why New Orleans AD Jim Miller was so pissed off when Buzz left? BECAUSE HE WAS DOING A GREAT JOB WITH THE PROGRAM. I laugh all the time when people point to his 14-17 record at UNO as if it's a bad thing. If he had a 14-17 record replacing Jeff Capel at VCU, for example, then I'd agree. But he walked into a disaster, at a place where the previous head coach also left to become an assistant elsewhere. What does that tell you?

Buzz brought in a Top 50 class into an impossible place to recruit to at that time. Some of the kids he signed stayed, others left.

Kyndall Dykes stayed, shot over 50% from the floor and averaged almost 14 ppg. Kechan Myers stayed as well and was a solid player for them as well.

Joseph Fulce left and he'll be attending MU, as we all know. Troy Mathis backed out and went to Clemson.

Jim Miller was pissed he left because he was doing an unbelievable job at that school. Is that hard to understand?

He was a hot assistant coach, and despite what some think, had a successful one-year stint as a head coach where he gained valuable experience.

Harvey, that's why he'll succeed here. Please, tell me why he won't succeed, as you say?



I'm waiting....

[HarveysWallbangers]

Certainly they have more credibility than a guy on a message board that says "Hey, I saw him on television and he doesn't seem all that impressive."  

Do you not understand that part of his job is to be impressive on television? To be a confident, well-spoken agent of Marquette University? He's our most high profile employee. If he's crying on TV after games, is that something you think makes people think positively about MU and the people who work there? If he's crawling around on all fours during games, do you think people will say, "I want my son to play for this fella?"

I think there are a lot of people who are not seeing the big picture here.

[MUBasketball]

Basketball--

Do you realize that your childish reactions only enhance the enmity?

Keep throwing around that we don't know anything about the process. Neither do you. As I wrote in another thread, nothing beats people who know nothing about the process blasting people who know nothing about the process blasting the search.

Why is it so hard for people to believe that he really won them over when they interviewed him? One example would be his answer to what kind of style he coaches and his philosophy. That's right, he hasn't given an answer.

I still don't understand how, 6 weeks after he was hired, we don't have one article from a writer in which Buzz Williams is quoted as explaining the offense he wants to run and his defensive principles. For this fan, that is shocking. I'd rather have TC's coachspeak then non-answers.

Not trying to be childish...trying to change the opinions of the few who refuse to let this whole thing go and move forward and support the coach. I'm probably not getting my points across very well, but oh well.

I'm just saying if you know you have a good thing in front of you, go for it. That's what they did with Buzz, while consulting a lot of people as well. Their gut, and other people, told them this was the guy.

Great...let's move ahead and talk recruiting and the '08-'09 season, etc.

Coaching really isn't rocket science. He's bounced around and constantly moved up and learned under really good coaches. He will do a good job with alumni and boosters and students, and he'll recruit his ass off. More than anything else, I'm just baffled why he isn't getting more vocal support.

[HarveysWallbangers]

More than anything else, I'm just baffled why he isn't getting more vocal support.

Because he's not qualifed to be the coach, that's why. If he had stayed at UNO and made the Sweet 16 last year, he would have never been interviewed.  He's not qualified!

He was hired essentially because he was first guy who walked by the open door of Cottingham's office.

Why did we allegedly send somebody to the Final Four if it was only to send for Williams? WHY? WHY? WHY?

[MUBasketball]

I'm done with you Harvey.

You crying like a baby and have no reason to. Yes, he is qualified. In your eyes, he isn't. Any other reasons you don't like him other than: a) he didn't lead UNO to the Sweet 16, and b) you don't like his interviews?

I'll save a spot on the bandwagon for ya.

[jce]

Do you not understand that part of his job is to be impressive on television? To be a confident, well-spoken agent of Marquette University? He's our most high profile employee. If he's crying on TV after games, is that something you think makes people think positively about MU and the people who work there? If he's crawling around on all fours during games, do you think people will say, "I want my son to play for this fella?"

If he wins games and graduates players, I don't care if he decides to walk around on his hands and knees.  My guess is that he is a great guy one-on-one, but doesn't come off well on television.  Kind of like the anti-Crean.  There is more than one way to coach basketball, and while I was not real happy with the hire, I'm ready to move on.

[jce]

Because he's not qualifed to be the coach, that's why. If he had stayed at UNO and made the Sweet 16 last year, he would have never been interviewed.  He's not qualified! 

If he stayed at UNO and made the Sweet 16, he not only would have been interviewed, he likely would have been the national coach of the year.  Think about it...if he takes UNO to the Sweet 16, that's a better coaching job than Keno Davis.

You are getting more rediculous with each post.

[ATWizJr]

Harvey and Niv waaah, waaah,  waaaahhhhhh.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Not trying to be childish...trying to change the opinions of the few who refuse to let this whole thing go and move forward and support the coach. I'm probably not getting my points across very well, but oh well.

I'm just saying if you know you have a good thing in front of you, go for it. That's what they did with Buzz, while consulting a lot of people as well. Their gut, and other people, told them this was the guy.

Great...let's move ahead and talk recruiting and the '08-'09 season, etc.

Coaching really isn't rocket science. He's bounced around and constantly moved up and learned under really good coaches. He will do a good job with alumni and boosters and students, and he'll recruit his ass off. More than anything else, I'm just baffled why he isn't getting more vocal support.

Who is NOT supporting the coach?  I don't know anyone that doesn't want Buzz Williams to succeed unless they are UW-Madison, UW-Milwaukee or other Big East fans.  I don't know any MU fan that doesn't want this coach to succeed.


The other posters are correct, it was also my biggest beef with McLellan's article yesterday using Gillespie's quotes.  No coach ANYWHERE is going to say anything negative about a hire, they might after a guy gets canned but not after he just got hired.  That's just coach speak.  Same for conference commissioners, etc, etc....no way anyone would ever go publicly on record and say something bad about a hire, so going there for validation is just silly.

If someone can show me where a major college basketball coach ripped into another school's hire and said how terrible it was, please show me.  I would be stunned.

But if you think some alums are just going to sit by and not express some frustrations about who was hired, how, etc. then I think you might in for a surprise.  A ton of uncertainty right now, which is not something MU fans are used to the last 7 years with 5 NCAA appearances, 2 NIT appearances, a Final Four, numerous all league players, etc.  Uncertainty brought about by a surprise hire.....good or bad....a surprise hire.

But I still want Buzz to kick ass

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

My guess is that he is a great guy one-on-one, but doesn't come off well on television.  Kind of like the anti-Crean. 

This is a great point.

People complained that Crean was a used car salesman... and now people complain that Buzz isn't polished enough.

Honestly, I think that just shows that you can't please everybody.

For those of you with reservations about Buzz... I feel the same way... but let's be optimistic AT LEAST until the guy coaches some games.

Bitching about the coach now only leads me to believe that you are a sports fan who just enjoys bitching... in which case there is no point debating because you will inevitably find something else to bitch about.

Sports radio has created an industry around this type of fan.

[ChicosBailBonds]

What's the problem here? Do you have any idea why New Orleans AD Jim Miller was so pissed off when Buzz left? BECAUSE HE WAS DOING A GREAT JOB WITH THE PROGRAM. I laugh all the time when people point to his 14-17 record at UNO as if it's a bad thing. If he had a 14-17 record replacing Jeff Capel at VCU, for example, then I'd agree. But he walked into a disaster, at a place where the previous head coach also left to become an assistant elsewhere. What does that tell you?

You might want to reach out to a few reporters down in New Orleans about why Miller was pissed rather then the answer you gave.

Here's a summary

1) New Orleans just lost their previous coach one year earlier to an assistant's job at NC State.  So this was 2 coaches, back to back years leaving head coaching positions for assistant coaching positions.  Bad, bad, bad for New Orleans and their perception.  That's why Miller was so pissed

2) He resigned after July 4th....after July 4th.  Think about that.  Miller was pissed because instead of doing it in March after the season was over, or even April, or even May...or hell, how about June, he resigned in July.  Literally 6 weeks before school started.  That put their program in a world of bigger hurt.  That's why Miller was pissed.

Can you imagine MU having to go out and hire a coach starting in July....coaches are ready to make moves in March and April, not in July....that's way past the time when you can get a qualified coach for most programs.  That's why Miller was pissed.

Now, did he bring in some nice players, etc...yes.  But rest assured, reasons 1 and 2 were why Miller was most pissed off, not because of the outstanding job that was done.  UNO took a tremendous hit with Katrina then having two coaches leave back to back years, including one that waited until July.

I'm happy to give you the names of some reporters you can email that will give you the scoop on why Miller was so ticked off.  Or to sum it up, the most disappointing decision he's endured in 30 years in athletics.  Just imagine for a second how pissed off we would be....or our athletic director.  Look how pissed off everyone was with Crean leaving the first day in April....can you imagine him leaving 3 months later? 


Some interesting comments when it happened here.

http://blog.nola.com/tpsports/2007/07/uno_coach_resigns.html

[Pardner]

You might want to reach out to a few reporters down in New Orleans about why Miller was pissed rather then the answer you gave.

Here's a summary

1) New Orleans just lost their previous coach one year earlier to an assistant's job at NC State.  So this was 2 coaches, back to back years leaving head coaching positions for assistant coaching positions.  Bad, bad, bad for New Orleans and their perception.  That's why Miller was so pissed

2) He resigned after July 4th....after July 4th.  Think about that.  Miller was pissed because instead of doing it in March after the season was over, or even April, or even May...or hell, how about June, he resigned in July.  Literally 6 weeks before school started.  That put their program in a world of bigger hurt.  That's why Miller was pissed.

Can you imagine MU having to go out and hire a coach starting in July....coaches are ready to make moves in March and April, not in July....that's way past the time when you can get a qualified coach for most programs.  That's why Miller was pissed.

Now, did he bring in some nice players, etc...yes.  But rest assured, reasons 1 and 2 were why Miller was most pissed off, not because of the outstanding job that was done.  UNO took a tremendous hit with Katrina then having two coaches leave back to back years, including one that waited until July.

I'm happy to give you the names of some reporters you can email that will give you the scoop on why Miller was so ticked off.  Or to sum it up, the most disappointing decision he's endured in 30 years in athletics.  Just imagine for a second how pissed off we would be....or our athletic director.  Look how pissed off everyone was with Crean leaving the first day in April....can you imagine him leaving 3 months later? 


Some interesting comments when it happened here.

http://blog.nola.com/tpsports/2007/07/uno_coach_resigns.html

Did the reporters publish any stories on this?  I haven't been able to find any on the web.  I think your synopsis is a bit one sided from what I heard...with the reality somewhere in between.  Either way, this is news and any reporter worth his/her salt would have done an expose on this.

Here are some questions you may want to ask them.   Why did Towe quit the hc job to return to NCST to take an assistants role again?  Why didn't Miller reimburse the players their meal money?  Why weren't the coaches being paid?  Why was UNO still playing in a rec center with tarped locker rooms under the stands for all to see and hear after Miller missed on promises about the start of arena construction?  Why were most promises to Buzz not kept?  Why did Buzz sue UNO and not the other way around?  Maybe there is something in all of this as to why Buzz left so close to the start of school.

Btw, Majerus quit July 1 too leaving us in a lurch just like he did with USC.  You are right, that certainly set us back 15 years.  All I am saying is Miller is not so innocent.  Where there is smoke, there is fire.

[4everwarriors]

You might want to reach out to a few reporters down in New Orleans about why Miller was pissed rather then the answer you gave.

Here's a summary

1) New Orleans just lost their previous coach one year earlier to an assistant's job at NC State.  So this was 2 coaches, back to back years leaving head coaching positions for assistant coaching positions.  Bad, bad, bad for New Orleans and their perception.  That's why Miller was so pissed

2) He resigned after July 4th....after July 4th.  Think about that.  Miller was pissed because instead of doing it in March after the season was over, or even April, or even May...or hell, how about June, he resigned in July.  Literally 6 weeks before school started.  That put their program in a world of bigger hurt.  That's why Miller was pissed.

Can you imagine MU having to go out and hire a coach starting in July....coaches are ready to make moves in March and April, not in July....that's way past the time when you can get a qualified coach for most programs.  That's why Miller was pissed.

Now, did he bring in some nice players, etc...yes.  But rest assured, reasons 1 and 2 were why Miller was most pissed off, not because of the outstanding job that was done.  UNO took a tremendous hit with Katrina then having two coaches leave back to back years, including one that waited until July.

I'm happy to give you the names of some reporters you can email that will give you the scoop on why Miller was so ticked off.  Or to sum it up, the most disappointing decision he's endured in 30 years in athletics.  Just imagine for a second how pissed off we would be....or our athletic director.  Look how pissed off everyone was with Crean leaving the first day in April....can you imagine him leaving 3 months later? 


Some interesting comments when it happened here.

http://blog.nola.com/tpsports/2007/07/uno_coach_resigns.html

Majerus left MU high and dry in June when his pal, Nelson, let him save face by  hiring Rick as the Bucks 3rd asst. coach. Then Hank hired that winner of all winners, Dukiet, in July after Mike Newell's old lady said she ain't goin' to no Milwaukee.

[ChicosBailBonds]

I'm telling you why Miller was ticked.  The poster said it was because Buzz was doing a great job, that is not the reason he was most ticked/pissed.

Was Buzz right to quit?  That I don't know, nor did I even bring that up in my response.  Buzz certainly felt promises were made to him about the arena, meals, payment to assistants, etc and felt going to MU was a better career move then his current situation.  I can't get into Buzz's shoes nor am I going to blame him for that decision.   A guy has to do what a guy has to do.

But the statement of why Miller was upset (by Mr. Basketball), was just wrong.  Put yourself in Miller's shoes (by asking those reporters that spoke him or talk to the some of the associate commissioners of the Sun Belt)....he was upset because his program had been turned upside down by a major storm and two coaches voluntary departures, plus the timing of the last resignation.  It's a normal reaction that Miller would have, whether promises were made or not, he's still going to be damn pissed off in July for losing a coach for the second straight year.  Whether he was the cause (breaking promises) isn't going to change how he (Miller) feels about it....which was pissed off.  This idea that it was because of how well the 14-17 team was doing is not accurate.  The reason there wasn't any articles about it...I have two guesses.  One, it's UNO.  Not much love for UNO lately even in New Orleans.  Second, the AD is smart enough to know that he has to move on and bringing up some of those potential promises only makes life more difficult for him to hire the next guy...he has to move on.  That doesn't prevent him from privately, off the record, expressing his "disappointment" / frustration / exasperation (one word that was used) / anger (another word that was conveyed to me).

Hell, our administration was pissed off for Crean leaving in April...just imagine how upset we and our administration would be if our coach left in July and it was the second consecutive year the coach left...VOLUNTARILY.  We'd be pissed to, even if some promises were made, we'd still be pissed.  To sugarcoat it and say it was because of the job he was doing is ignoring the dynamics in play in New Orleans.


PS  By the way, didn't UNO countersue Buzz?  Seems to me that MU was going to try and have them throw out the suit by trying to play a game down there or some other arrangement.

PSS  And yes, Majerus's resignation's timing in June did us no favors either....now add another 3 + weeks to that timeline.  Majerus resigned on June 14th.  Buzz resigned on July 7th.  That is going to ruin the day of any AD, whether it's Hank Raymonds or Jim Miller....it's certainly capable of pissing them off.

[MUBasketball]

Chicos, why don't we admit we're both right?

Obviously, the timing was horrible for UNO. Leaving a program in July is a major kick in the pants. So that is a big reason for Miller to be upset.

But he was also upset/disappointed because he knew he had a good coach, and a guy who despite the magnitude of problems in New Orleans, was really turning it around in a hurry. To say that wasn't a reason is incorrect.

Regardless, we can all agree he was HELLA pissed!!

[ChicosBailBonds]

Chicos, why don't we admit we're both right?

Obviously, the timing was horrible for UNO. Leaving a program in July is a major kick in the pants. So that is a big reason for Miller to be upset.

But he was also upset/disappointed because he knew he had a good coach, and a guy who despite the magnitude of problems in New Orleans, was really turning it around in a hurry. To say that wasn't a reason is incorrect.

Regardless, we can all agree he was HELLA pissed!!

I agree, he was HELLA upset.  I also agree that he felt he had a guy that could certainly recruit and had the potential to grow into a good bench coach, though wasn't there yet.  That was certainly part of it...we agree

[mviale]

could you post some more pundits pOVs on the buzz hiring.  I need more of their opinions before I make a decision whether or not this was a good decision.  These pundits are so much closer to the program than all of us, so I need more. (this is sarcasm)