Sheek in the Portal?

[GoldenEagles03]

What I'm rambling about is that our coach is going to play 18 in the regular rotation in the first half of basketball games.

No he isn't.

[UWW2MU]

Regardless of reason... playing time, NIL, whatever, the fact is that the moment Shaka started playing in the portal sandbox, he lost the edge in player retention.  Relationships I'm sure are still a factor in his recruiting and retention, but it's not what it was and we'll see far more guys leave now than we did previously.

[burger]

We all know big men are getting a huge premium....

And thru tampering someone said we are go to fill your pockets young man....

With only 1% of college players making it to the NBA....

With the rules in place....I don't blame kids for getting 4 or 5 years of cashing in.

Would you like to make $1 million plus for 4 or 5 years....That is life changing money....

Not quite generational money....But you have to think the rules are going to change....it is like a gold rush....Grab it while you can....

That is the way of our world....

[BM1090]

No he isn't.

He is if we don't sign another big.

I hope and assume we will though.

[cheebs09]

Regardless of reason... playing time, NIL, whatever, the fact is that the moment Shaka started playing in the portal sandbox, he lost the edge in player retention.  Relationships I'm sure are still a factor in his recruiting and retention, but it's not what it was and we'll see far more guys leave now than we did previously.

I don't know. It sounds like the money may have been too good to turn down, even if he thought Shaka walked on water.

[Hards Alumni]

I'd like to see where he lands before judging motivation -- unless someone actually has inside into which i havent yet seen shared. 

Seems like there were a lot of late entries across the p6 as many expected.  I'm not shocked in this world we would have one of those too.  Even blue bloods like UCONN and MSU had players who were projected to be contributors jump this year.   

Sir, this is an Arby's.

[MU82]

What I'm rambling about is that our coach is going to play 18 in the regular rotation in the first half of basketball games.

Schtick.

[tower912]

The portal is a tool that goes both ways.

Now, I am counting on scoop to come with appropriate and inappropriate zingers with this set up.   For example:...just like (scoop name here).

[Small Orange Soda]

Schtick.

Do you genuinely think that isn't going to happen at any point?

[burger]

I have a list of scumbag schools that would entertain all types of rules violations when there pretty much are no rules....

Both K schools....A school that wears Candy stripes.....2 schools in our league...Some of the "shady crew".

Pretty much see what they can get in "Wave 1"....Then really starting working the agents on "target kids" where they can dump a bag of $$$.

After all....Before these rules were instituted....Kentucky paid Anthony Davis XXX,000 and a home to got to school there for however long.....Front page....All documented in Chicago Tribune....Kentucky threatened to sue....But never did....

[SchnitzelBoy]

Does anyone think there's a chance Sheek is convinced to stick with Marquette through more NIL money and assurances?

I think it's maybe at 25% 

[Shaka Shart]

Last night outside my hotel were some street dogs squealing and fighting and it reminded me to check the transfer portal thread

[LAZER]

Do you genuinely think that isn't going to happen at any point?

Gold was replaced with a Center that played less minutes last season, so to me it seems likely to happen. No reason Fru can't play same amount of minutes as Gold next season, but as it stands today I'd be surprised if Hamilton isn't in the mix for 10min a game like he was last year.

[tower912]

It's not that simple.

Let's say that Marquette was paying the following:

Sheek $500k
Adrien $1M
Royce $1.5M
NJ $2.8M
Fru $3.2M

We've established Adrien, Royce, & NJ are the core three. So while you might pay an in demand proven big like Fru more than your core, you aren't doing than for the redshirt who's never played a minute of D1.

Then back in Sheek's hometown, the local team goes into a panic when their top transfer target goes from likely commit to a Duke Blue Devil a day before the portal entry window closes. They call Sheek and promise a starting job and the $2M they planned to give Scharnowski. If you're Sheek, quadrupling your money while getting a starting job and being close to family is a no brainer.

You say yes, but I have to give MU the chance to match because they took a shot on me reclassing and already invested time and coaching into my development. Now the question is does Marquette match?

In order to do so, it's not as simple as raising Sheek from $500k to $2M. If you do that, you pretty much have to bring Adrien and Royce up to that same level. They're the core you committed to and if you are paying them less than the 7tb or 8th man on the bench, wherever Sheek lands, they might not enter the portal now but you can bet they'll be making plans all season long and the locker room won't be as healthy a place.

So now you have to bring three guys to $2M. Here's the actual cost of keeping Sheek in this scenario and not destroying your locker room in the process:

• $500k - Original Sheek cost
• $1.5M - Additional needed to keep Sheek
• $500k - Additional needed to get Royce matching Sheek
• $1M - Additional needed to get Adrien matching Sheek
• $3.5M - Total expenditures to keep Sheek on the roster

Is it really worth spending more money to keep Sheek than you spent on NJ or Fru? Of course not, that's insane for the 7th or 8th guy. It also sets a precedent that you will cave to exorbitant demands and weaken your negotiating position in the future.

FBOW the reality is it's best for all parties that Sheek leave. Better for him, better for Marquette. Now the staff needs to pivot to find a replacement.

Just a bump.

[rgoode57]

Who knows if Pearson would have developed into a really good player or not, but I would rather take that gamble than to rely on Hamilton to get better. With Pearson leaving, it would seem that, just like last year, our back-up bigs are Hamilton and Clark. Fru may be able to cover 25 minutes a game, but the other 15 minutes will go to two guys who either cannot play (Hamilton) or still have a long way to go (Clark).

[Vander Blue Man Group]

Who knows if Pearson would have developed into a really good player or not, but I would rather take that gamble than to rely on Hamilton to get better. With Pearson leaving, it would seem that, just like last year, our back-up bigs are Hamilton and Clark. Fru may be able to cover 25 minutes a game, but the other 15 minutes will go to two guys who either cannot play (Hamilton) or still have a long way to go (Clark).

With no additions some of those minutes will go to Royce.

Shaka needs to add a serviceable backup big.

[Hards Alumni]

Does anyone think there's a chance Sheek is convinced to stick with Marquette through more NIL money and assurances?

I think it's maybe at 25%

0%

[1SE]

This is so worth having exciting FF match ups like UM-AZ. Much better than what college basketball used to be - thank goodness those dark ages are behind us.

[wadesworld]

It's not that simple.

Let's say that Marquette was paying the following:

Sheek $500k
Adrien $1M
Royce $1.5M
NJ $2.8M
Fru $3.2M

We've established Adrien, Royce, & NJ are the core three. So while you might pay an in demand proven big like Fru more than your core, you aren't doing than for the redshirt who's never played a minute of D1.

Then back in Sheek's hometown, the local team goes into a panic when their top transfer target goes from likely commit to a Duke Blue Devil a day before the portal entry window closes. They call Sheek and promise a starting job and the $2M they planned to give Scharnowski. If you're Sheek, quadrupling your money while getting a starting job and being close to family is a no brainer.

You say yes, but I have to give MU the chance to match because they took a shot on me reclassing and already invested time and coaching into my development. Now the question is does Marquette match?

In order to do so, it's not as simple as raising Sheek from $500k to $2M. If you do that, you pretty much have to bring Adrien and Royce up to that same level. They're the core you committed to and if you are paying them less than the 7tb or 8th man on the bench, wherever Sheek lands, they might not enter the portal now but you can bet they'll be making plans all season long and the locker room won't be as healthy a place.

So now you have to bring three guys to $2M. Here's the actual cost of keeping Sheek in this scenario and not destroying your locker room in the process:

• $500k - Original Sheek cost
• $1.5M - Additional needed to keep Sheek
• $500k - Additional needed to get Royce matching Sheek
• $1M - Additional needed to get Adrien matching Sheek
• $3.5M - Total expenditures to keep Sheek on the roster

Is it really worth spending more money to keep Sheek than you spent on NJ or Fru? Of course not, that's insane for the 7th or 8th guy. It also sets a precedent that you will cave to exorbitant demands and weaken your negotiating position in the future.

FBOW the reality is it's best for all parties that Sheek leave. Better for him, better for Marquette. Now the staff needs to pivot to find a replacement.

Might as well just offer Milan $3.5MM then.

[GoFastAndWin]

Who knows if Pearson would have developed into a really good player or not, but I would rather take that gamble than to rely on Hamilton to get better. With Pearson leaving, it would seem that, just like last year, our back-up bigs are Hamilton and Clark. Fru may be able to cover 25 minutes a game, but the other 15 minutes will go to two guys who either cannot play (Hamilton) or still have a long way to go (Clark).

Let's say Fru averages 28 mpg. You honestly believe that Hamilton and Clark can't cover 12 minutes between them?

Oh so Hamilton "can't play" because he missed some bunnies at the rim? Or maybe got lost in a defensive rotation or two? Sure, he didn't perform up to Shaka's hype of him. We all
know he busts his a$$ and maybe is a bit confident and amped at times. I'd prefer that to unsure of himself, scared, and sulking around pouting about things not going his way on the court.

And Clark has "a long way to go". Can you think of something that was once difficult in your life until it wasn't. Something that confounded you and then you worked at it until it became so easy? Not trying to sound like Dodds here, but I have a lot of faith that these guys will get better.

And for dear sakes, Trevor Powell became a very, very good player by his JR year. His first couple years, he could barely catch an entry pass into the post. And yet there was a ton of buzz about his talents out of HS. He lived up to it in his last two years.

Cut these guys some slack!! Stop with the "18" references in lieu of his name. Some of you have coached and should know better. It's Caedin freaking Hamilton, and he's family, business or not. And maybe I just watched the wrong couple games, but I saw Josh Clark really running the floor well for his height and even blocking a few shots pretty naturally. Omg he was out of position a couple times on D 😱 during his FR season!

I'm sorry if I focused on one poster here, as I do "get" his logical concerns. I'm just tired of hearing the sky is falling 24/7 regarding Hamilton & Clark.  I really think Clark is going to be very good, and I think Caedin will be more than adequate. We're talking about 15 minutes max between them. Let's find out what they're made of.

[panda]

Let's say Fru averages 28 mpg. You honestly believe that Hamilton and Clark can't cover 12 minutes between them?

Oh so Hamilton "can't play" because he missed some bunnies at the rim? Or maybe got lost in a defensive rotation or two? Sure, he didn't perform up to Shaka's hype of him. We all
know he busts his a$$ and maybe is a bit confident and amped at times. I'd prefer that to unsure of himself, scared, and sulking around pouting about things not going his way on the court.

And Clark has "a long way to go". Can you think of something that was once difficult in your life until it wasn't. Something that confounded you and then you worked at it until it became so easy? Not trying to sound like Dodds here, but I have a lot of faith that these guys will get better.

And for dear sakes, Trevor Powell became a very, very good player by his JR year. His first couple years, he could barely catch an entry pass into the post. And yet there was a ton of buzz about his talents out of HS. He lived up to it in his last two years.

Cut these guys some slack!! Stop with the "18" references in lieu of his name. Some of you have coached and should know better. It's Caedin freaking Hamilton, and he's family, business or not. And maybe I just watched the wrong couple games, but I saw Josh Clark really running the floor well for his height and even blocking a few shots pretty naturally. Omg he was out of position a couple times on D 😱 during his FR season!

I'm sorry if I focused on one poster here, as I do "get" his logical concerns. I'm just tired of hearing the sky is falling 24/7 regarding Hamilton & Clark.  I really think Clark is going to be very good, and I think Caedin will be more than adequate. We're talking about 15 minutes max between them. Let's find out what they're made of.

Found 18's burner

[GoFastAndWin]

Found 18's burner

Predicted that exact response. 👏

[Zog from Margo]

Regardless of reason... playing time, NIL, whatever, the fact is that the moment Shaka started playing in the portal sandbox, he lost the edge in player retention.  Relationships I'm sure are still a factor in his recruiting and retention, but it's not what it was and we'll see far more guys leave now than we did previously.

Shaka only ended up in the portal sandbox because MU did some poor recruiting and talent evaluation when recruiting players out of HS.

[Jay Bee]

I think Caedin will be more than adequate. We're talking about 15 minutes max between them. Let's find out what they're made of.

Good grief.

[Jockey]

• $500k - Original Sheek cost
• $1.5M - Additional needed to keep Sheek
• $500k - Additional needed to get Royce matching Sheek
• $1M - Additional needed to get Adrien matching Sheek
• $3.5M - Total expenditures to keep Sheek on the roster

Do you really think an unproven 4-star redshirt is gonna get $2 Mil? I'm not saying you're wrong, it just seems high to me - especially if Parham is getting 1.5