Sheek in the Portal?

[MU82]

My answer to that question is YES!!

Pay Sheek a commensurate number to what his other offers are!!  Would that, might that mean we are going to have to pony up even more for the the other 3, and most likely others?  YES!!!
Im sick of this BS that MU wants to be a big time program and compete with the top teams in the country, blah, blah, blah.
Either put up or shut up. It is what the top teams in our conference and the country are doing!

Why didn't UConn put up for Eric Reibe? Is UConn not a top team in our conference and the country?

[MU82]

brew, don't forget that if MU gave Sheek $2M, we'd have to give Hamilton $2.1M because he's Shaka's favorite. That's just common sense and basic math.

[Uncle Rico]

It's not that simple.

Let's say that Marquette was paying the following:

Sheek $500k
Adrien $1M
Royce $1.5M
NJ $2.8M
Fru $3.2M

We've established Adrien, Royce, & NJ are the core three. So while you might pay an in demand proven big like Fru more than your core, you aren't doing than for the redshirt who's never played a minute of D1.

Then back in Sheek's hometown, the local team goes into a panic when their top transfer target goes from likely commit to a Duke Blue Devil a day before the portal entry window closes. They call Sheek and promise a starting job and the $2M they planned to give Scharnowski. If you're Sheek, quadrupling your money while getting a starting job and being close to family is a no brainer.

You say yes, but I have to give MU the chance to match because they took a shot on me reclassing and already invested time and coaching into my development. Now the question is does Marquette match?

In order to do so, it's not as simple as raising Sheek from $500k to $2M. If you do that, you pretty much have to bring Adrien and Royce up to that same level. They're the core you committed to and if you are paying them less than the 7tb or 8th man on the bench, wherever Sheek lands, they might not enter the portal now but you can bet they'll be making plans all season long and the locker room won't be as healthy a place.

So now you have to bring three guys to $2M. Here's the actual cost of keeping Sheek in this scenario and not destroying your locker room in the process:

• $500k - Original Sheek cost
• $1.5M - Additional needed to keep Sheek
• $500k - Additional needed to get Royce matching Sheek
• $1M - Additional needed to get Adrien matching Sheek
• $3.5M - Total expenditures to keep Sheek on the roster

Is it really worth spending more money to keep Sheek than you spent on NJ or Fru? Of course not, that's insane for the 7th or 8th guy. It also sets a precedent that you will cave to exorbitant demands and weaken your negotiating position in the future.

FBOW the reality is it's best for all parties that Sheek leave. Better for him, better for Marquette. Now the staff needs to pivot to find a replacement.

And he knew Caedin would get the bulk of the minutes, too.  Was probably told as much and then told he'd be getting a pay cut so we could pay Caedin more.

[willie warrior]

Shaka brought in a guy from the portal to play in front of a youngster anticipating big minutes.

Not that surprising.

But is certainly another screw up by Mr. Kahn

[Jockey]

Lol.

Avila: 127 ORtg with 22% usage; >60% eFG%, >25% assist rate, 43.7% ft rate, 62 made triples on 40.0% 3FG%

Sultan: Sheek is "way more" talented!

Dude, if you would have posted this before Sultan's reply - fine.
Posting it when you did is just dumb after Sultan admitted he was wrong.

[willie warrior]

And he is still 10s of thousands of f ups behind you.

Glad you think so.Your screwups have been well noted, like your constant love for Wojo. 10s of thousands. That is a beauty coming from you. Are you applying equal idolatry to Shaka as you did Wojo? Seems so.

[tower912]

Adorable chihuahua.   I root for MU and want every coach to succeed.   You whine like an overstimulated toddler about everyone and everything.   So cute.

[willie warrior]

And he is still 10s of thousands of f ups behind you.

Glad you think so.Your screwups have been well noted, like your constant love for Wojo. 10s of thousands. That is a beauty coming from you. Are you applying equal idolatry to Shaka as you did Wojo? Seems so.

But the good news is that MU can use the portal again to get another starting center next year.  Maybe even Sheek! Doubtful, but these days you never know.

Or the NCAA grants 5 years of eligibility, Fru gets grandfathered in for a 5th year, and MU finds a way to retain him.  You never know what the NCAA is going to do, especially since the NCAA doesn't even know what they're going to do.

So true about NCAA

[Jockey]

Before NIL, players transferred all the time if they though they weren't going to get playing time they thought they deserved. So that was probably a factor. NIL money is also obviously a factor. Saying it is just one or the other doesn't make sense to me.

If it would have happened before the Fru signing, then yeah, it would have been JUST about the money.

[Tha Hound]

It's not that simple.

Let's say that Marquette was paying the following:

Sheek $500k
Adrien $1M
Royce $1.5M
NJ $2.8M
Fru $3.2M

We've established Adrien, Royce, & NJ are the core three. So while you might pay an in demand proven big like Fru more than your core, you aren't doing than for the redshirt who's never played a minute of D1.

Then back in Sheek's hometown, the local team goes into a panic when their top transfer target goes from likely commit to a Duke Blue Devil a day before the portal entry window closes. They call Sheek and promise a starting job and the $2M they planned to give Scharnowski. If you're Sheek, quadrupling your money while getting a starting job and being close to family is a no brainer.

You say yes, but I have to give MU the chance to match because they took a shot on me reclassing and already invested time and coaching into my development. Now the question is does Marquette match?

In order to do so, it's not as simple as raising Sheek from $500k to $2M. If you do that, you pretty much have to bring Adrien and Royce up to that same level. They're the core you committed to and if you are paying them less than the 7tb or 8th man on the bench, wherever Sheek lands, they might not enter the portal now but you can bet they'll be making plans all season long and the locker room won't be as healthy a place.

So now you have to bring three guys to $2M. Here's the actual cost of keeping Sheek in this scenario and not destroying your locker room in the process:

• $500k - Original Sheek cost
• $1.5M - Additional needed to keep Sheek
• $500k - Additional needed to get Royce matching Sheek
• $1M - Additional needed to get Adrien matching Sheek
• $3.5M - Total expenditures to keep Sheek on the roster

Is it really worth spending more money to keep Sheek than you spent on NJ or Fru? Of course not, that's insane for the 7th or 8th guy. It also sets a precedent that you will cave to exorbitant demands and weaken your negotiating position in the future.

FBOW the reality is it's best for all parties that Sheek leave. Better for him, better for Marquette. Now the staff needs to pivot to find a replacement.

Well, wouldn't say its best for Marquette that our only capable backup C leaves, but as long as they find a serviceable replacement it might turn out ok. Time will tell.

[Jay Bee]

Dude, if you would have posted this before Sultan's reply - fine.
Posting it when you did is just dumb after Sultan admitted he was wrong.

He didn't admit he was wrong. He said, 'point taken'.

You can accept someone's point as their opinion or thought, it doesn't mean you agree and admit your awful mistake. Not to mention, is this like the first time you've ever seen someone keep loading on (pawz) after someone makes a massive error? It's scoop my boy. Sultan will be OK.

#pointplankn

[GoldenEagles03]

It's not that simple.

Let's say that Marquette was paying the following:

Sheek $500k
Adrien $1M
Royce $1.5M
NJ $2.8M
Fru $3.2M

We've established Adrien, Royce, & NJ are the core three. So while you might pay an in demand proven big like Fru more than your core, you aren't doing than for the redshirt who's never played a minute of D1.

Then back in Sheek's hometown, the local team goes into a panic when their top transfer target goes from likely commit to a Duke Blue Devil a day before the portal entry window closes. They call Sheek and promise a starting job and the $2M they planned to give Scharnowski. If you're Sheek, quadrupling your money while getting a starting job and being close to family is a no brainer.

You say yes, but I have to give MU the chance to match because they took a shot on me reclassing and already invested time and coaching into my development. Now the question is does Marquette match?

In order to do so, it's not as simple as raising Sheek from $500k to $2M. If you do that, you pretty much have to bring Adrien and Royce up to that same level. They're the core you committed to and if you are paying them less than the 7tb or 8th man on the bench, wherever Sheek lands, they might not enter the portal now but you can bet they'll be making plans all season long and the locker room won't be as healthy a place.

So now you have to bring three guys to $2M. Here's the actual cost of keeping Sheek in this scenario and not destroying your locker room in the process:

• $500k - Original Sheek cost
• $1.5M - Additional needed to keep Sheek
• $500k - Additional needed to get Royce matching Sheek
• $1M - Additional needed to get Adrien matching Sheek
• $3.5M - Total expenditures to keep Sheek on the roster

Is it really worth spending more money to keep Sheek than you spent on NJ or Fru? Of course not, that's insane for the 7th or 8th guy. It also sets a precedent that you will cave to exorbitant demands and weaken your negotiating position in the future.

FBOW the reality is it's best for all parties that Sheek leave. Better for him, better for Marquette. Now the staff needs to pivot to find a replacement.

Very well thought out. This paints a nice picture for me on the situation.

[Jay Bee]

Very well thought out. This paints a nice picture for me on the situation.

Yes, but the part left out is, "you are carrying four centers including a guy the coach has made bizarre decisions on in the past.. therefore, despite the RELATIONSHIPS, you're open to considering other situations in the first place and not ALL IN for #muMbb".

[The Sultan]

He didn't admit he was wrong. He said, 'point taken'.

You can accept someone's point as their opinion or thought, it doesn't mean you agree and admit your awful mistake. Not to mention, is this like the first time you've ever seen someone keep loading on (pawz) after someone makes a massive error? It's scoop my boy. Sultan will be OK.

#pointplankn

I am fine. And I was wrong. I should have said he has potentially more upside.

[GoldenEagles03]

Yes, but the part left out is, "you are carrying four centers including a guy the coach has made bizarre decisions on in the past.. therefore, despite the RELATIONSHIPS, you're open to considering other situations in the first place and not ALL IN for #muMbb".

I don't really know what you are rambling about. I want Marquette carrying 4 centers, especially in a way that makes us able to afford one of the most expensive on the market like Sananda Fru.

[Jay Bee]

I don't really know what you are rambling about. I want Marquette carrying 4 centers, especially in a way that makes us able to afford one of the most expensive on the market like Sananda Fru.

What I'm rambling about is that our coach is going to play 18 in the regular rotation in the first half of basketball games.

[Uncle Rico]

What I'm rambling about is that our coach is going to play 18 in the regular rotation in the first half of basketball games.

I don't know why people can't see this.  Sheek knew.

[Markusquette]

I'm not as high on Sheek as others I suppose, but I'm certainly as low on 18 and Clark. I'm not sure Hamiltoe would provide any value in even his 8th year with the program

[GoFastAndWin]

Meh. Ledaryl Billingsley and Odartey Blankson went on to be decent college players. I didn't lose sleep on how their "elsewhere" stats would define their MU absence, and I won't do it with the latest cool name to dis MU.

[Rimrocker]

It's not that simple.

Let's say that Marquette was paying the following:

Sheek $500k
Adrien $1M
Royce $1.5M
NJ $2.8M
Fru $3.2M

We've established Adrien, Royce, & NJ are the core three. So while you might pay an in demand proven big like Fru more than your core, you aren't doing than for the redshirt who's never played a minute of D1.

Then back in Sheek's hometown, the local team goes into a panic when their top transfer target goes from likely commit to a Duke Blue Devil a day before the portal entry window closes. They call Sheek and promise a starting job and the $2M they planned to give Scharnowski. If you're Sheek, quadrupling your money while getting a starting job and being close to family is a no brainer.

You say yes, but I have to give MU the chance to match because they took a shot on me reclassing and already invested time and coaching into my development. Now the question is does Marquette match?

In order to do so, it's not as simple as raising Sheek from $500k to $2M. If you do that, you pretty much have to bring Adrien and Royce up to that same level. They're the core you committed to and if you are paying them less than the 7tb or 8th man on the bench, wherever Sheek lands, they might not enter the portal now but you can bet they'll be making plans all season long and the locker room won't be as healthy a place.

So now you have to bring three guys to $2M. Here's the actual cost of keeping Sheek in this scenario and not destroying your locker room in the process:

• $500k - Original Sheek cost
• $1.5M - Additional needed to keep Sheek
• $500k - Additional needed to get Royce matching Sheek
• $1M - Additional needed to get Adrien matching Sheek
• $3.5M - Total expenditures to keep Sheek on the roster

Is it really worth spending more money to keep Sheek than you spent on NJ or Fru? Of course not, that's insane for the 7th or 8th guy. It also sets a precedent that you will cave to exorbitant demands and weaken your negotiating position in the future.

FBOW the reality is it's best for all parties that Sheek leave. Better for him, better for Marquette. Now the staff needs to pivot to find a replacement.

Dont get me wrong im ok with that scenario too.  If Sheek is asking for an amount that is say way more than is the going rate, for the team and the nation, then the staff needs to make a value assessment. 
That said if they are not willing to pay the assumed premium for Sheek, they will absolutely need to pay the market rate for a  back up big.  Again to state you want to run with the big boys and then run Caedin Hamilton out there again is completely contradictory.

[Hards Alumni]

Let's all just agree that SLU should be a team we all hope the worst for in the future, eh?

[Frenns Liquor Depot]

I'd like to see where he lands before judging motivation -- unless someone actually has inside into which i havent yet seen shared. 

Seems like there were a lot of late entries across the p6 as many expected.  I'm not shocked in this world we would have one of those too.  Even blue bloods like UCONN and MSU had players who were projected to be contributors jump this year.   

[Badgerhater]

I'm not as high on Sheek as others I suppose, but I'm certainly as low on 18 and Clark. I'm not sure Hamiltoe would provide any value in even his 8th year with the program

Scoop does have a habit of elevating every player (recruit or bench) who has yet to dribble a basketball in an MU game into an All-American.

[Uncle Rico]

I'd like to see where he lands before judging motivation -- unless someone actually has inside into which i havent yet seen shared. 

Seems like there were a lot of late entries across the p6 as many expected.  I'm not shocked in this world we would have one of those too.  Even blue bloods like UCONN and MSU had players who were projected to be contributors jump this year.   

Marquette has been largely immune to transfers of important pieces the last few years.  They've been the exception to the rule.

[TSmith34, Inc.]

Glad you think so.Your screwups have been well noted, like your constant love for Wojo. 10s of thousands. That is a beauty coming from you. Are you applying equal idolatry to Shaka as you did Wojo? Seems so.

Your words disturb the gentle, blossom-fringed lotus pond like a 40-pound bag of flaming feces hurled from afar, Dung Willie