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How many should Shaka take/cut

1 (Lowery's void)
2 (Lowery's spot +1)
3 (Lowery's spot +2)
4 (Lowery's spot +3)
5 (Lowery's spot +4)
=>6 (Overhaulshima)

The Sultan

Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on March 20, 2026, 11:30:21 AMYes he was?

He recruited him to go to Texas. He recruited him to stay at Marquette.

What are you talking about?

Recruiting someone to stay is way different than recruiting him to come in the first place.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

The Equalizer

Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on March 20, 2026, 10:47:57 AMThere are 15 roster spots and you are picking the worst of the worst.

No mention of Nigel? Royce? Stevens? Shaka has missed on 1 class. There will always be duds. Overall he's done a fine job, and if he's committed to using the portal to fill gaps every year now, taking swings on guys like Clark is much more reasonable.

I specified bigs, and listed every recruit 6'9" or over.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on March 20, 2026, 10:47:57 AMThere are 15 roster spots and you are picking the worst of the worst.

No mention of Nigel? Royce? Stevens? Shaka has missed on 1 class. There will always be duds. Overall he's done a fine job, and if he's committed to using the portal to fill gaps every year now, taking swings on guys like Clark is much more reasonable.

First, I specified bigs, and included every player recruited by Shaka at both programs 6'9" or better. The pattern is obvious--every big recruited to MU is a project.  That's not saying they're duds--just that Shaka is obviously aiming low and hoping they were misjudged.

BTW, I excluded inherited players at both Texas and MU, so no Ighadoro (#99) but also no Prince Ibeh (#62) Connor Lammert (unr) or Cameron Ridley (#14) at Texas. 

Second, how is what you're doing any different? You're cherry picking the best of the best, and even at that the three player you list formed the heart of the worst record of any MU team in 60 years.  And while Royce and Stevens are good compared to the rest of MU's roster, they're not separating MU from the rest of the Big East overall.

Third, I don't think you can sustainably build a contending team if your strategy is to recruit lower-level players and hope they become stars. Yes, that happened with Kolek and we're on track with James so far, but I don't think you can count on it happening with every player or even once in every class.



Zog from Margo

RGV might have worked if MU had recruited much better than it did. As it is, they now realize they need to use the portal and hopefully continue the trend of improved freshmen recruiting.

GoldenEagles03

Quote from: The Sultan on March 20, 2026, 11:32:25 AMRecruiting someone to stay is way different than recruiting him to come in the first place.

You're right. And in this era, it might be harder to recruit a guy to stay than it is to get them in the first place. Especially after a coaching change.

Oso has talked about how much Shaka mattered in his decision to keep his name out of the portal and stay at Marquette.
VIOLENCE!

The Equalizer

Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on March 20, 2026, 11:30:21 AMYes he was?

He recruited him to go to Texas. He recruited him to stay at Marquette.

What are you talking about?

Shaka landed Greg Brown (#8 in RSCI) out of that class at that position on the roster. Oso was plan B at best for Texas.



Pakuni

Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on March 20, 2026, 11:38:52 AMYou're right. And in this era, it might be harder to recruit a guy to stay than it is to get them in the first place. Especially after a coaching change.


I doubt this is true. It's easier for a kid to leave after a coaching change than 10 years ago, but there are still built-in advantages for the coach trying to keep him in place ... familiarity with the school, relationships with teammates and classmates, not needing to move and start over on another campus, and the fact there were things about the program that made him commit in the first place.
Shaka deserves credit for keeping Oso (and Lewis, Kam and Stevie) in the program, but he had the upper hand in doing so.
And as much as he deserves credit for doing so, he's not the guy who identified their talent - especially not the latter three - and sold them on Marquette,

GoldenEagles03

Quote from: The Equalizer on March 20, 2026, 11:45:15 AMShaka landed Greg Brown (#8 in RSCI) out of that class at that position on the roster. Oso was plan B at best for Texas.




And Oso ended up being way better. Way better.

A sign that the number isn't what matters. The talent is. Shaka's career success is enough to allow him to do it the way he wants. He's clearly realized that the portal is the new way forward along with prioritizing retention for his guys. So it might actually end up being easier for him to find good players than it ever has before.
VIOLENCE!

GoldenEagles03

Quote from: Pakuni on March 20, 2026, 12:07:49 PMI doubt this is true. It's easier for a kid to leave after a coaching change than 10 years ago, but there are still built-in advantages for the coach trying to keep him in place ... familiarity with the school, relationships with teammates and classmates, not needing to move and start over on another campus, and the fact there were things about the program that made him commit in the first place.
Shaka deserves credit for keeping Oso (and Lewis, Kam and Stevie) in the program, but he had the upper hand in doing so.

The 1,700 players that will be in the portal in 3 weeks might suggest otherwise.

Either way. Shaka will be just fine. Especially now that he has realized the portal is his friend and not his foe.
VIOLENCE!

The Sultan

Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on March 20, 2026, 11:38:52 AMYou're right. And in this era, it might be harder to recruit a guy to stay than it is to get them in the first place.

Uh. No.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

Pakuni

Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on March 20, 2026, 12:09:34 PMThe 1,700 players that will be in the portal in 3 weeks might suggest otherwise.

The 4,000 players that won't be in the portal in 3 weeks might suggest otherwise.

Vander Blue Man Group

Quote from: Pakuni on March 20, 2026, 12:07:49 PMI doubt this is true. It's easier for a kid to leave after a coaching change than 10 years ago, but there are still built-in advantages for the coach trying to keep him in place ... familiarity with the school, relationships with teammates and classmates, not needing to move and start over on another campus, and the fact there were things about the program that made him commit in the first place.
Shaka deserves credit for keeping Oso (and Lewis, Kam and Stevie) in the program, but he had the upper hand in doing so.
And as much as he deserves credit for doing so, he's not the guy who identified their talent - especially not the latter three - and sold them on Marquette,

Kids commit to the coach, not the school, or the campus or his classmate.  Trying to reduce the accomplishment or retaining Kam, Stevie, and Oso is nonsense.

Vander Blue Man Group

Quote from: The Sultan on March 20, 2026, 11:32:25 AMRecruiting someone to stay is way different than recruiting him to come in the first place.

Sure, but Shaka had already built a relationship during his initial recruitment of Oso to Texas and that likely helped keeping him at Marquette.

The Sultan

Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on March 20, 2026, 12:55:09 PMKids commit to the coach, not the school, or the campus or his classmate.  Trying to reduce the accomplishment or retaining Kam, Stevie, and Oso is nonsense.

No one is doing this. Per usual GE03 is engaging in making absolute statements that just aren't accurate.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

Galway Eagle

Quote from: Pakuni on March 20, 2026, 12:07:49 PMShaka deserves credit for keeping Oso (and Lewis, Kam and Stevie) in the program

Ahem not Gregg Elliot?

Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on March 20, 2026, 12:56:17 PMSure, but Shaka had already built a relationship during his initial recruitment of Oso to Texas and that likely helped keeping him at Marquette.

This, calling someone and saying "hey I know it didn't work out before but let's see if we can make it work this go around" is way different than "hey I've never talked to you, want to get to know each other?"
Retire Terry Rand's jersey!

GoldenEagles03

Quote from: The Sultan on March 20, 2026, 12:59:06 PMNo one is doing this. Per usual GE03 is engaging in making absolute statements that just aren't accurate.

What absolute statement did I make?
VIOLENCE!

Pakuni

Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on March 20, 2026, 12:55:09 PMKids commit to the coach, not the school, or the campus or his classmate.  Trying to reduce the accomplishment or retaining Kam, Stevie, and Oso is nonsense.

What did I write that is incorrect?

GoldenEagles03

VIOLENCE!

The Sultan

Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on March 20, 2026, 02:52:08 PMAaaand silence.


After the Kentucky game, I took the dog for a walk, took a sh*t, and hopped in the shower. So sorry I didn't respond to your post immediately.

But this is your typical nonsense. You make a bunch of repeatedly bad points. Then you get all out of sorts and shift the goalposts when people point it out that your points are bad.

I encourage you to keep it up though. It's fun.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

GoldenEagles03

Quote from: The Sultan on March 20, 2026, 03:19:11 PMAfter the Kentucky game, I took the dog for a walk, took a sh*t, and hopped in the shower. So sorry I didn't respond to your post immediately.

But this is your typical nonsense. You make a bunch of repeatedly bad points. Then you get all out of sorts and shift the goalposts when people point it out that your points are bad.

I encourage you to keep it up though. It's fun.

What goalposts did I move? What absolute statement did I make? Lol.
VIOLENCE!

Scoop Snoop

Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on March 20, 2026, 04:13:43 PMWhat goalposts did I move? What absolute statement did I make? Lol.

Give Sultan some credit. Anyone who has a dog can't be all bad, right?
Wild horses couldn't drag me into either political party, but for very different reasons.

"All of our answers are unencumbered by the thought process." NPR's Click and Clack of Car Talk.

GoldenEagles03

Quote from: Scoop Snoop on March 20, 2026, 04:18:53 PMGive Sultan some credit. Anyone who has a dog can't be all bad, right?

Butler? Georgetown?
VIOLENCE!

mileskishnish72

Quote from: Scoop Snoop on March 20, 2026, 04:18:53 PMGive Sultan some credit. Anyone who has a dog can't be all bad, right?
Ah, but it's probably a shih tzu.

Galway Eagle

Quote from: Scoop Snoop on March 20, 2026, 04:18:53 PMGive Sultan some credit. Anyone who has a dog can't be all bad, right?

Signed Michael Vick's defense team
Retire Terry Rand's jersey!

Juan Anderson's Mixtape

Glad there is so much transfer news in this thread!

Scoop Snoop

Quote from: Galway Eagle on March 20, 2026, 04:23:46 PMSigned Michael Vick's defense team

Nah. Sultan probably is a softy with his dog. My guess is a Basset Hound or Weimaraner. Or some sort of little Fufu dog.

Can't believe Juan Anderson wants to discuss transfers here. Booooring!
Wild horses couldn't drag me into either political party, but for very different reasons.

"All of our answers are unencumbered by the thought process." NPR's Click and Clack of Car Talk.

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