Final Big East Tournament Bracket (3/10/08)

[TallTitan34]

Here is the final Big East Tournament bracket. 
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[mu_hilltopper]

Excellent .. could you make sure to put the seed #s in next time?

[AlumKCof93]

That would be a great tournament.  Should be fun whatever the matchups end up.  I think its wide open.

[TallTitan34]

Excellent .. could you make sure to put the seed #s in next time?

Yeah.  I realized I took them out after I made that.  They are now re-added.

[spiral97]

awesome!!

[tckmu24]

I would not feel 100% comfortable playing any of the top 10 seeds in this bracket.  In fact, I think any of the top 10 could win the BET.

[TallTitan34]

Updated 5:15 P.M. February 29, 2008.

[ChicosBailBonds]

I would LOVE this setup.  DePaul in the first round, then a beatable ND team in round 2.

[spiral97]

then likely a chance for revenge against louisville.. and then possibly the same against WVU or UConn.. that'd be an awesome way to start our post-season!

[robmufan]

I actually hope GU beats LOU in their game because I would love to take on Depaul, ND, and GU to get into the finals.  I think that is our best track!

[The Man in Gold]

Why isn't ND the 3 seed?  They have the head to head over UConn.

Also UL has the tiebreaker at the moment vs. GU from their head to head.  Obviously Saturday will settle that one.

[mosarsour]

I actually hope GU beats LOU in their game because I would love to take on Depaul, ND, and GU to get into the finals.  I think that is our best track!

Without a doubt this is our best case scenario. I'd do anything to avoid facing Louisville until the finals.

[dwaderoy2004]

you're wrong ManInGold:

1/05 ND 73- UConn 67

2/13 UConn 84- ND 78

[spiral97]

yes.. head to head, ND and UConn are tied at 1-1.. so next is versus #1 in conference.. which is L-ville and GT... record against those two teams are ND (0-2) and UConn (1-1) so UConn wins the tie-break.

Agreed the L-ville currently wins the #1 seed vs. GT based on head-to-head (L-ville won the only meeting).  However, L-ville plays GT again for each team's final game... one team will emerge with a better record and no tie-break will be needed for first place.

here are the complete tie breaker rules (per bigeast.org)

CHAMPIONSHIP SEEDING FORMULA
Overall Conference record, at the conclusion of the regular season, is used to seed teams number 1 through 16. The top 12 teams qualify for the Conference Tournament. The following procedures are set up to establish seeding for the championship and to break ties. Follow the appropriate steps in order.

TIE-BREAKING PROCEDURE FOR SEEDING
Two-Way Tie
1. Regular season head-to-head results (zero, one, or two games). If the tied teams split their two games, or did not play, then proceed to Step #2 below.

2. Each team's record vs. the team or tied teams occupying the highest position in the standings. Continue down through the standings until one team gains an advantage.

When comparing records against a single team or collective tied teams (before ties are broken), the following may apply:
a. If the games played against the team or group are equal, winning percentage prevails.
b. If the games played against the team or group are unequal, the following scenarios apply:
1) Most wins do prevail only if the team with fewer wins could not equal that win total if they played the same number of games.
Two examples of many scenarios that do provide an advantage:

1)	TeamA	2-0			2)	TeamA	3-0
	TeamB	0-1				TeamB	1-1

2) Most wins do not prevail if the team with fewer wins could equal or surpass the win total of the other team.
Three examples of many scenarios that do not provide an advantage:

1)	TeamA	1-1			2)	TeamA	2-0			3)	TeamA	1-0
	TeamB	0-1				TeamB	1-0				TeamB	0-0

3) Fewer losses do not prevail if the teams have the same number of wins and if the team with fewer games could equal or surpass the loss total of the other team.
Three examples of many scenarios that do not provide an advantage:

1)	TeamA	1-0			2)	TeamA	0-1			3)	TeamA	0-0
	TeamB	1-1				TeamB	0-2				TeamB	0-1

If an advantage is not determined, proceed to the next team or group in the standings for comparison.


If the tie cannot be broken after continuing down through the last team or teams in the standings, revert back to comparing records against the top teams in order and allow winning percentage to prevail even if there a comparison of unequal games. Only then, if the percentages are both 1.000, than 2-0 is better than 1-0. It also follows that 1-0 is better than 0-0. However, the reverse is not true – no team gains advantage when all have a .000 winning percentage (0-0 is never better than 0-1, and 0-1 is never better than 0-2).

Multiple-Team Tie (3 or more teams)
1. A) Teams are viewed as a "mini-conference" when comparing head-to-head results. The team with the best record (as determined by winning percentage, even if unequal games) vs. the other teams in the miniconference gains the advantage. If only two teams have the same best winning percentage in the miniconference, the higher seed goes to the team winning the head-to-head series. If the two teams split their two games or didn't play, then proceed to Step 2 under Two-Way ties. To seed the remaining team(s) in this mini-conference, proceed to Paragraph B below. If three or more (but not all) teams have the same best winning percentage in the original mini-conference, than those tied teams create a new miniconference and follow the same procedures as at the beginning of this paragraph. If all teams in the miniconference have the same mini-conference record, proceed to Step 2 below.

B) After the top team in a mini-conference is determined, the next team is ranked by its record in the original mini-conference. If there are any remaining teams tied by their record in the mini-conference, then head-to-head results will determine the higher seed. If the teams split two games or didn't play, then proceed back to the two-way tie breaking procedure. If there are at least three teams remaining tied by their record in the mini-conference, they would then form a new mini-conference and follow the procedure again at the beginning of Step #1 (Multiple-Team Tie).

2. Each team's record vs. the team or group of tied teams occupying the highest position in the standings. Continue down through the standings until one team gains an advantage. When comparing records against a single team or collective tied teams (before ties are broken), the following may apply:
a. The games played against the team or group are equal, winning percentage prevails.
b. If the games played against the team or group are unequal, the following scenarios apply:
1) Most wins do prevail only if the team(s) with fewer wins could not equal that win total if they played the same number of games. One example of many scenarios that does provide an advantage:

1)	TeamA	2-0			2)	TeamA	3-1
	TeamB	1-1				TeamB	1-2
	TeamC	0-1				TeamC	1-2

2) Most wins do not prevail only if the team(s) with fewer wins could equal or surpass the win total of the other team.
Three examples of many scenarios that do not provide an advantage:

1)	TeamA	2-1			2)	TeamA	1-2			3)	TeamA	1-1
	TeamB	1-1				TeamB	0-2				TeamB	0-1
	TeamC	1-1				TeamC	0-2				TeamC	0-0

3) Fewer losses do not prevail if the team(s) have the same number of wins, but the team with fewer games could equal or surpass the loss total of the other tied teams.
Three examples of many scenarios that do not provide an advantage:

1)	TeamA	2-0			2)	TeamA	0-2			3)	TeamA	0-0
	TeamB	2-1				TeamB	0-3				TeamB	0-1
	TeamC	2-1				TeamC	0-3				TeamC	0-2

If an advantage is not determined, then proceed to the next team or group in the standings for comparison.

If the tie cannot be broken after continuing down through the last team or teams in the standings, revert back to comparing records against the top teams in order and allow winning percentage to prevail even if there a comparison of unequal games. Only then, if the percentages are both 1.000, than 2-0 is better than 1-0. It also follows that 1-0 is better than 0-0. However, the reverse is not true – no team gains advantage when all have a .000 winning percentage (0-0 is never better than 0-1, and 0-1 is never better than 0-2).

COIN FLIP
If any ties still exist after implementing all of the above tie-breaking procedures, a coin flip is required. The procedure takes place at The BIG EAST Conference office immediately following the conclusion of the last regular season conference game. Commissioner Michael Tranghese will administer this procedure. This session is open to the media and to athletic department representatives of the tied teams.

[The Man in Gold]

My mistake on the head to head for ND - UConn. I only remembered the first Saturday night game.  Great work.

2 Other questions:  If Pitt beast WVU this week are we locked into the 5 seed?

Would this be the final standings if the GU-UL loser on Saturday finishes in a 3 way 2nd place tie. (Assuming ND, UConn win out)

If GU wins:
Based on the Mini-conference:
2. UConn 2-1
3. UL 1-1
4. ND 1-2

If UL wins:
Based on the Mini-conference:
2. GU 2-0
3. UConn 1-2 (Beats ND on win over UL)
4. ND 1-2

[spiral97]

If Pitt beast WVU this week are we locked into the 5 seed?

Yes.

Would this be the final standings if the GU-UL loser on Saturday finishes in a 3 way 2nd place tie. (Assuming ND, UConn win out)

If GU wins:
Based on the Mini-conference:
2. UConn 2-1
3. UL 1-1
4. ND 1-2

If UL wins:
Based on the Mini-conference:
2. GU 2-0
3. UConn 1-2 (Beats ND on win over UL)
4. ND 1-2

I believe that is completely correct.  (in the UL scenario, there is an intermediate step that UConn and ND are compared head to head - which the split - so yes it is comparison against top team in conference and UConn win's the breaker).

[Pago Warrior]

If this bracket holds, I like our chances to reach the semis if not further.

I've read the "Recapping" article by Crackedsidewalks and I agree completely.  However, while our record vs top 50 hasn't been good, a good number of those losses came before this team started to get into their recent groove namely twice to UL plus the UConn and ND game.  Even the harshest MU critics can agree that this team is improving and a repeat match-up vs ND and GU would be great games to see.

[TallTitan34]

You're right on the seeds for Georgetown and Louisville.  When I last updated it Georgetown was 1/2 a game ahead (one more win).

It is now updated.

[TallTitan34]

Updated 11:50 P.M. March 3, 2008.

[TallTitan34]

Updated 12:41 P.M. March 6, 2008.

With Georgetown and Notre Dame now at 2 and 3 I wouldn't mind that 6 seed.

[MUWeb7]

Yeah. That makes a 6 seed look like a blessing...Much rather play SH, ND, and GU. Thats doable. Depaul, UCONN, UL looks like a sure out.

[Pago Warrior]

With how its shaping up now, I'd rather have MU hold as the 5 and hope ND loses one so UCONN gets the 3 seed and so our outlook is:
Depaul, ND, UL, & GT

Winning the 1st 2 would be great, beating UL would be a bonus, and taking the title would be icing on the cake.

[Secret of the Ouse]

So if both ND and UCONN win out then UCONN gets the 4 and ND gets the 3?

[The Man in Gold]

ND is currently the 3 because they are up on UCONN by 1/2 a game.  If UCONN wins out they will be the 3 no matter what ND does. 

If we beat Syracuse and UCONN doesn't lose... we will play ND under all scenarios.

[Secret of the Ouse]

Thanks, thats what I thought