Optimism level

[tower912]

Who are you more optimistic about?

Wisconsinites, Brewers or Packers?

Illinoisans, Cubs or Bears?

[The Sultan]

Brewers although that's not saying much. I think the Packers take a step back, Love's progress stalls, and Lafleur and Gutey's futures are in question.

[cheebs09]

I would say Brewers just because we are so far into the season this doesn't seem like a fluke. But I'm not exactly planning a World Series parade.

[Uncle Rico]

Who are you more optimistic about?

Wisconsinites, Brewers or Packers?

Illinoisans, Cubs or Bears?

Brewers.  Packers are dumb and soft

[The Lens]

Brewers.  They're led by adults.

MLF is a child who is in way over his head. Gutey by and large has pulled the right levers but MLF's lack of discipline will continue to haunt GB.   

[#UnleashSean]

Cubs >>>>>>>>>>>> bears

Brewers >= Packers

I really believe that they overpaid Love based on a half season of good performance.  It'll probably come back to bite them. I hope im incorrect.

[BM1090]

I think Love is going to progress this year, but I do think they've stagnated under LaFleur and the lack of discipline is a huge concern.

[The Sultan]

Cubs >>>>>>>>>>>> bears

Brewers >= Packers

I really believe that they overpaid Love based on a half season of good performance.  It'll probably come back to bite them. I hope im incorrect.

Love's contract is OK. If they want a ln entire reset they can get out after next year when they'll be going rock bottom at the position anyway.

[Uncle Rico]

Cubs >>>>>>>>>>>> bears

Brewers >= Packers

I really believe that they overpaid Love based on a half season of good performance.  It'll probably come back to bite them. I hope im incorrect.

The contract is fine.  It's never the final number of years to look at, especially at QB.  If anything, he should be motivated to start playing for the next contract.

That said, he has a lot of dumb teammates who play dumb and a coaching staff incapable of fixing the dumb.  That mean Love can't make some of the dumb throws he tends to make against good teams.

[PointWarrior]

I am optimistic that the Bears will suck this year. 

[GB Warrior]

I think Love is going to progress this year, but I do think they've stagnated under LaFleur and the lack of discipline is a huge concern.

This. Not much would surprise me for the Packers this year. Could easily see 12-5 and 8-9

[mu_hilltopper]

No Minnesota gut check?

I am confident the Vikings will show the same movie they've run for 65 seasons.

[Shaka Shart]

I don't think the bears will make the playoffs but I think they'll be way more watchable than years past, whatever that means.

[JWags85]

I don't think the bears will make the playoffs but I think they'll be way more watchable than years past, whatever that means.

They have an offensive coach with a mindset and an offensive identity to go with above average talent on that side of the ball for the first time in awhile, so that's exciting alone.

And, not to be morbid, but I have sort of a twisted optimism/interest in the first year post-Virginia McCaskey, overall vibe switch.

[The Lens]

I'm optimistic just reading these predictions that most Packers fans realize how bad MLF is. The national media seems to gloss over a lot of their issues and lump him in with the Sean McVay Boy Wonder Crowd. 

Glad to see people hear recognize his warts. Being the most penalized team year after year is an issue.  And now this season he is doing performative antiics like making guys run laps.  He's in so far over his head. 

It's just too bad that Murphy neutered the GM's power and Gutey can't move on from MLF.

[The Sultan]

I'm optimistic just reading these predictions that most Packers fans realize how bad MLF is. The national media seems to gloss over a lot of their issues and lump him in with the Sean McVay Boy Wonder Crowd. 

Glad to see people hear recognize his warts. Being the most penalized team year after year is an issue.  And now this season he is doing performative antiics like making guys run laps.  He's in so far over his head. 

It's just too bad that Murphy neutered the GM's power and Gutey can't move on from MLF.

How do you know Gutey would want to move on? Also there is a new President in place so we will see.

[The Lens]

How do you know Gutey would want to move on? Also there is a new President in place so we will see.

Gutey and MLF reportedly hate each other

[The Sultan]

Gutey and MLF reportedly hate each other

I am not saying you're wrong, but I have never heard that.

[cheebs09]

I think MLF gets a lot of praise for how he designs an offense, which he seems good at.

I'm worried that we seem to constantly make the same mistakes and he seems slow to move on from coaches that aren't working. He reminds me a bit of Wojo in those ways, which makes me worry we have a ceiling with him that isn't a Super Bowl.

[JWags85]

I think MLF gets a lot of praise for how he designs an offense, which he seems good at.

I'm worried that we seem to constantly make the same mistakes and he seems slow to move on from coaches that aren't working. He reminds me a bit of Wojo in those ways, which makes me worry we have a ceiling with him that isn't a Super Bowl.

I mean, hell with Wojo, doesn't it more remind you of slightly less successful post-2010 McCarthy?  Above average coach who puts together good regular seasons but can't get it done in the playoffs

[cheebs09]

I mean, hell with Wojo, doesn't it more remind you of slightly less successful post-2010 McCarthy?  Above average coach who puts together good regular seasons but can't get it done in the playoffs

I think that's a pretty apt comparison as well. Doing enough to not get fired, but hasn't really shown the ability to get over the hump.

[wadesworld]

I'm not sure I get the love for Gutey.  We're basically good/great at RB and S and average or below average pretty much everywhere else.  If Golden is a true #1 and Kraft really develops into a top 5 TE, then your pass catchers are finally good.  But those are big ifs.

[Uncle Rico]

I'm not sure I get the love for Gutey.  We're basically good/great at RB and S and average or below average pretty much everywhere else.  If Golden is a true #1 and Kraft really develops into a top 5 TE, then your pass catchers are finally good.  But those are big ifs.

Gutey is a mediocre GM.  Falls in love with measurables and not results. 

[MU82]

I mean, hell with Wojo, doesn't it more remind you of slightly less successful post-2010 McCarthy?  Above average coach who puts together good regular seasons but can't get it done in the playoffs

I guess one could use that to describe post-2011 Shaka, too.

[The Sultan]

I mean, hell with Wojo, doesn't it more remind you of slightly less successful post-2010 McCarthy?  Above average coach who puts together good regular seasons but can't get it done in the playoffs

I think that's a pretty apt comparison as well. Doing enough to not get fired, but hasn't really shown the ability to get over the hump.

I agree with this, but then what exactly is the solution? You can't really fire a guy who has been in the playoffs 5 out of 6 seasons. It really is going to have to be a waiting game til the bottom falls out.