Optimism level

[Uncle Rico]

I agree with this, but then what exactly is the solution? You can't really fire a guy who has been in the playoffs 5 out of 6 seasons. It really is going to have to be a waiting game til the bottom falls out.

Correct.  If they're a 6 or 7 win team this year, he'll be on the hot seat heading into '26.  That seems the floor.  If they win 3-5 games and Love is healthy all year and regresses, then all bets are ofd

[tower912]

The only way that GB is a 6-7 win team is if Love is lost.

[The Sultan]

The only way that GB is a 6-7 win team is if Love is lost.

Oh I can see how they could reach that win total even with Love.

They start 0-2 against two playoff teams at home (Lions, Commanders)
They then play 4 out of 5 on the road with the only home game against the Bengals
4 of the next six against division opponents and the defending Super Bowl Champions
3 of the last four on the road.

[MU82]

I agree with this, but then what exactly is the solution? You can't really fire a guy who has been in the playoffs 5 out of 6 seasons.

Stuff like that happens surprisingly often in the NBA and NHL. Hell, the Nuggets in April fired their championship-winning coach with 3 games to play, even though they were having another good season.

In those leagues, an owner often will look for a "new voice" - a coach he thinks can take his team to the "next level." The classic example was the Bulls' switch from a successful Doug Collins to an untested Phil Jackson.

But you're right ... I can't think of the last time it happened in the NFL.

[Shaka Shart]

Packers need to find their Wardle and fast.

[The Sultan]

Packers need to find their Wardle and fast.

Bring Al Harris home.

[tower912]

So, less optimism than for the Brewers.

[The Sultan]

So, less optimism than for the Brewers.

I'm not all that optimistic about them either.

[Hards Alumni]

I think that's a pretty apt comparison as well. Doing enough to not get fired, but hasn't really shown the ability to get over the hump.

You've just described the last three GBP coaches.  McCarthy had one fluke season and they won it all, but I have not been in love with the last three coaches.

[tower912]

Ewwww.   That would be weird.

[cheebs09]

Based on recent events, I'd say the Packers now.

[wadesworld]

Based on recent events, I'd say the Packers now.

Still say Brewers.

[Jockey]

Who are you more optimistic about?

Wisconsinites, Brewers or Packers?

Illinoisans, Cubs or Bears?

I've got a different answer today than when you asked the question.

[Uncle Rico]

As long as LaFleur is on the sideline, I remain the same

[Jockey]

As long as LaFleur is on the sideline, I remain the same

I love where this puts LaFleur. Unless Love is injured, I think anything less than Conference Finals will mean he is gone.

[Uncle Rico]

I love where this puts LaFleur. Unless Love is injured, I think anything less than Conference Finals will mean he is gone.

Barring major injuries, anything less than that seems he'll deserve the hot seat.

[Shaka Shart]

He has a thin moustache now though

[wadesworld]

I'm more uncertain about Love than I am MLF. If Love is a top 10 QB, which he should be by now given you traded up in the first round to get him and then paid him, then I think the Packers have a great chance at a deep run. If he's what he's been for 75% of his time starting, then I don't think it matters how good the coaching is or what adding Micah Parsons does for the defense. And it starts with valuing the football.

I know what MLF is. He's a solid but not great coach. I think he's good enough to take a loaded roster to a SB, but not good enough to take a good roster to a SB.

[Dish]

I'm not allowed to be optimistic about the White Sox, so I'll sit this thread out.

[wadesworld]

I'm not allowed to be optimistic about the White Sox, so I'll sit this thread out.

Way to know your place.

[Jockey]

Barring major injuries, anything less than that seems he'll deserve the hot seat.

This trade will be Gutey's legacy. He will not let Lefleur screw it up.

[Uncle Rico]

This trade will be Gutey's legacy. He will not let Lefleur screw it up.

It is his legacy.  I'm always leery of a thing happening in sports that is universally praised for one and universally panned for the other.

For me, it's a trade you make every time, even if in hindsight, it turns out poorly.  Especially given the Packers recent drafting in the mid-to-late first round.  They've drafted guys whose overall performance isn't necessarily that different than others picked later.

I'd think the vibe in the locker room changes dramatically now, too.  This is the front office telling the team the time to win is now.  No more talk of growth and development.  Time to win is now.  My belief is this team is pretty soft.  Will be curious to see if they play tougher and with a little swagger now. 

[cheebs09]

I've got a little bit of scar tissue from the Dame trade. Hoping this turns out better. But agree, I think with the emphasis on generating a pass rush in the league, you have to make this move.

[Jockey]

I've got a little bit of scar tissue from the Dame trade. Hoping this turns out better. But agree, I think with the emphasis on generating a pass rush in the league, you have to make this move.

The age factor makes this different. Dame was well into his 30s. Micah is 26.

But there are no guarantees.

[MU82]

It is his legacy.  I'm always leery of a thing happening in sports that is universally praised for one and universally panned for the other.

For me, it's a trade you make every time, even if in hindsight, it turns out poorly.  Especially given the Packers recent drafting in the mid-to-late first round.  They've drafted guys whose overall performance isn't necessarily that different than others picked later.

I'd think the vibe in the locker room changes dramatically now, too.  This is the front office telling the team the time to win is now.  No more talk of growth and development.  Time to win is now.

As a non-GB fan but an interested observer, I agree totally.

I've got a little bit of scar tissue from the Dame trade. Hoping this turns out better. But agree, I think with the emphasis on generating a pass rush in the league, you have to make this move.

It's really nothing like the Dame trade.

He was an overpaid, past-his-prime PG on whom a desperate team took a wild swing.

Parsons is one of the best defensive players in football and is clearly in his prime. The trade required the Packers to give up surprisingly little, and his new contract is market-rate.

Your last sentence is spot-on, though.