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Pakuni


The Sultan

Quote from: MuggsyB on June 23, 2025, 10:19:47 PMIm
I'm not for invasion, I'm for eliminating worldwide problems/fkbags.  That includes completely decimating these governments economically.  Now ideally I would have Denzel, Bronson, Neeson, and Beekeeper type dudes solving these issues quickly, but understand it's a little more complicated with some of them.


You don't seem to understand how the world works - at all.  Eliminating individuals does not solve problems. Are you naive enough to think that if Hitler was somehow assasinated early on that WWII would have been avoided? The Holocaust too?
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

MuggsyB

Quote from: JWags85 on June 23, 2025, 10:40:21 PMMuggs, even giving you the benefit of the doubt.  The minute you start bringing up FICTIONAL MOVIE PROTAGONISTS to buttress a plan for violence driven world peace, you lose most all credibility in the most generous of lens.

That's why I stated "ideally" whick is a bit tounge and cheek.  I understand these are movies.  I'm just saying it would be welcomed if it was possible . 

MuggsyB

Quote from: The Sultan on June 24, 2025, 07:57:19 AMYou don't seem to understand how the world works - at all.  Eliminating individuals does not solve problems. Are you naive enough to think that if Hitler was somehow assasinated early on that WWII would have been avoided? The Holocaust too?

Yes, I think if Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, and other fkbags were stopped early a tremendous amount of lives would have been saved. 

JWags85

Lot of chatter that the Ayatollah is going to be removed.  Whether that means anything given its a push by the current government and not the result of an internal revolution remains to be seen, but the most optimistic viewpoint could hope that it means some sort of positive change in Tehran.  If only by moving on from a 90 year old hard line fundamentalist despot who has been in power for 35+ years.

jesmu84

Quote from: JWags85 on June 24, 2025, 08:22:13 AMLot of chatter that the Ayatollah is going to be removed.  Whether that means anything given its a push by the current government and not the result of an internal revolution remains to be seen, but the most optimistic viewpoint could hope that it means some sort of positive change in Tehran.  If only by moving on from a 90 year old hard line fundamentalist despot who has been in power for 35+ years.

Will it matter if the US/Israel doesn't approve of the new chosen leader?

The Sultan

Quote from: MuggsyB on June 24, 2025, 08:10:48 AMYes, I think if Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, and other fkbags were stopped early a tremendous amount of lives would have been saved. 

Very simplistic and likely very false.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

Uncle Rico

Quote from: The Sultan on June 24, 2025, 08:32:29 AMVery simplistic and likely very false.

What if Eve hadn't been tempted?
"Well, we're all going to die."

MU82

Quote from: forgetful on June 24, 2025, 05:48:41 AMAnd, Iran will likely now pursue a nuclear weapon for real, and can have one in less than a year. Iran will also bolster their military, build more missiles, better air defense systems, and next time if they think they can do damage to Israel will attack unilaterally as revenge. In the meantime, they will use proxies to attack the US and Israel.

They will need a lot of help from Russia and/or China to accomplish this, and sure, maybe they'll get it.

Quote from: Uncle Rico on June 24, 2025, 07:52:11 AMOr we can tweet in all caps

Did you happen to catch that the White House occupant referred to himself as DONAKD J. TRUMP a couple days ago? Thakt's hilarikus!
"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

"In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

rocky_warrior

Quote from: muwarrior69 on June 23, 2025, 05:31:35 PMThe MODS must be really on vacation or their line in the sand on no politics has blown away.

 I was.  What did I miss?

Pakuni

Quote from: MuggsyB on June 24, 2025, 08:10:48 AMYes, I think if Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, and other fkbags were stopped early a tremendous amount of lives would have been saved. 

The "Great Man" theory of history has been largely debunked.

MU82

Here's an interesting summary from German Lopez of the NYT:

Trump at first claimed that American bombs obliterated Iran's nuclear program. So far, though, much remains unsettled:

Did the U.S. strikes destroy their targets? American officials say that U.S. bombs and missiles did "severe" damage to Iran's nuclear facilities. But we still don't know much about their effect, particularly on Fordo, where Iran enriches uranium. The military had previously claimed that it could wipe out the site with just two bunker-busting bombs; it ultimately dropped a dozen.

Officials may not get answers for days or weeks, if ever. The same trait that makes Fordo so hard to strike — that it's deep underground — also makes gauging its status difficult.

Does Iran have a secret enrichment facility? Before the U.S. attacks, Iran said that it had built a new enrichment site, its third, "in a secure and invulnerable location." The facility is possibly under a mountain, similar to Fordo. If it's up and running with the newest centrifuges, it could enrich uranium for nuclear weapons within months.

Where is Iran's stockpile of enriched uranium? American officials concede that they don't know. Iran might have moved it before the strikes, given all the warnings about a looming U.S. attack. The 880 pounds of uranium — enough to fit in the trunks of 10 cars — is enriched to 60 percent purity, below the 90 percent used in nuclear weapons, David Sanger, who covers national security, reported.

Will Iran rebuild? Its leaders may decide that the pursuit of nuclear weapons is futile — that Israel and the United States will simply destroy anything Iran creates. But after seeing how easily Israel and America blew through its defenses, Iran may instead conclude the opposite: that the best way to protect itself is a nuclear deterrent. After all, that strategy has recently worked for Russia and North Korea.

"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

"In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

NCMUFan

Quote from: The Sultan on June 24, 2025, 07:57:19 AMYou don't seem to understand how the world works - at all.  Eliminating individuals does not solve problems. Are you naive enough to think that if Hitler was somehow assasinated early on that WWII would have been avoided? The Holocaust too?
Wow, insanity seems to reside comfortably in your mind.

Jay Bee

Quote from: MU82 on June 24, 2025, 10:35:27 AMDid you happen to catch that the White House occupant referred to himself as DONAKD J. TRUMP a couple days ago? Thakt's hilarikus!

^^^ ban worthy multiple times a day. It's pathetic.
The portal is NOT closed.

The Sultan

Quote from: NCMUFan on June 24, 2025, 11:51:19 AMWow, insanity seems to reside comfortably in your mind.

Nope. I am a student of history. It's simple to blame one person because people want to personify evil into one character. But in reality, people like Hitler are representative of larger dynamics at play within a nation at large. Sure a charasmatic figure can take advantage of that or push it further, but getting rid of that leader rarely makes the underlying society change.

"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

rocky_warrior

Quote from: Jay Bee on June 24, 2025, 12:07:31 PM^^^ ban worthy multiple times a day. It's pathetic.

Perhaps not politics, but you've been reported as much as or more than MU82 the past few weeks.  Glass house and all...pathetic.

Uncle Rico

Quote from: rocky_warrior on June 24, 2025, 12:19:05 PMPerhaps not politics, but you've been reported as much as or more than MU82 the past few weeks.  Glass house and all...pathetic.

If I posted my 5-point plan, I'd get banned
"Well, we're all going to die."

Jay Bee

Quote from: rocky_warrior on June 24, 2025, 12:19:05 PMPerhaps not politics, but you've been reported as much as or more than MU82 the past few weeks.  Glass house and all...pathetic.

"Perhaps not politics", yet the one Pinned post in The Superbar is by you... "Politics ban warning". lol




The portal is NOT closed.

Shaka Shart

Quote from: rocky_warrior on June 24, 2025, 11:02:05 AMI was.  What did I miss?

The triumphant return of the 5 point plan
"If we finish off this recruiting class on a high note and have another good year next year, with one 2018 already signed up (Bailey) we may be on the verge of a new era of sustained basketball success which would be known to all as the Golden Eagles era." - Herman Cain

tower912

Which apparently involves John Wick and a time machine.
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

Shaka Shart

To be fair, continuously posting graphic homosexual innuendos about a poster isn't political.

Just kinda unsettling
"If we finish off this recruiting class on a high note and have another good year next year, with one 2018 already signed up (Bailey) we may be on the verge of a new era of sustained basketball success which would be known to all as the Golden Eagles era." - Herman Cain

rocky_warrior

Quote from: Jay Bee on June 24, 2025, 12:38:10 PM"Perhaps not politics", yet the one Pinned post in The Superbar is by you... "Politics ban warning". lol

Politics bans happen all the time, some happened today.  But it's only one reason people get banned.  Being consistently insufferable is another reason, it earned Chicos his lifetime respite. 

Scoop Snoop

Quote from: The Sultan on June 24, 2025, 12:15:28 PMNope. I am a student of history. It's simple to blame one person because people want to personify evil into one character. But in reality, people like Hitler are representative of larger dynamics at play within a nation at large. Sure a charasmatic figure can take advantage of that or push it further, but getting rid of that leader rarely makes the underlying society change.

I remember reading an account of a British sniper team having found a perfect place to take out Hitler prewar, but they decided to not go ahead with the plan.

The Muggsy solution would have been to proceed with the operation. Making assumptions as to the outcome-war avoided! Nazism collapses! The German nation sees the evil of its way! - is ridiculous. A more stable leader taking over may have avoided the decision to invade Russia and instead finished off England while it was on the ropes or built an atomic bomb long before the US did. Yes, pure speculation on my part, but at least I am identifying it as such.

If Putin is assassinated, there is no reason to assume that Russia will be less of a threat under whomever replaces him. Things could get much worse. Or not. No one knows. 
Wild horses couldn't drag me into either political party, but for very different reasons.

"All of our answers are unencumbered by the thought process." NPR's Click and Clack of Car Talk.

Shaka Shart

Quote from: Scoop Snoop on June 24, 2025, 12:49:53 PMI remember reading an account of a British sniper team having found a perfect place to take out Hitler prewar, but they decided to not go ahead with the plan.

The Muggsy solution would have been to proceed with the operation. Making assumptions as to the outcome-war avoided! Nazism collapses! The German nation sees the evil of its way! - is ridiculous. A more stable leader taking over may have avoided the decision to invade Russia and instead finished off England while it was on the ropes or built an atomic bomb long before the US did. Yes, pure speculation on my part, but at least I am identifying it as such.

If Putin is assassinated, there is no reason to assume that Russia will be less of a threat under whomever replaces him. Things could get much worse. Or not. No one knows. 

Did we end up delaying the end of the Ayatollah Khamenei regime because we 5 point planned the very popular Soleimani while he was in Iraq?

Who knows, but that certainly did not improve the opinion of America for the Iranian public.
"If we finish off this recruiting class on a high note and have another good year next year, with one 2018 already signed up (Bailey) we may be on the verge of a new era of sustained basketball success which would be known to all as the Golden Eagles era." - Herman Cain


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