2025 NFL draft

[tower912]

I omitted 'not'.  Dopey dopey dopey.  I am NOT disappointed by the Lions draft.
I like the Ziggy Ansah comp.


I was back in your old stomping grounds for another jazz festival performance.

[Billy Hoyle]

I omitted 'not'.  Dopey dopey dopey.  I am NOT disappointed by the Lions draft.
I like the Ziggy Ansah comp.


I was back in your old stomping grounds for another jazz festival performance.

Nice! That's a cool performance area they have there. Had dinner and brews at Lansing Brewing tonight and Old Nation last night. If you like hazys Mi Mi Mi from ON is elite.

[MU1in77]

Mel Kiper graded the Browns draft an A+, think it had anything to do with them taking Shedeur Sanders?

[GB Warrior]

Draft grades are dumb (and as such I read all of them) but the Browns had an objectively good draft. Not sure if it was good process unless we know whether Haslam meddled in the Shedeur selection, but the outcome was solid. IMO they should not be interested in rolling Flacco or Pickett out there. See what the two rookies do as you plan to draft the next one next year

[The Sultan]

Getting a first round talent in Sanders in the fifth round is objectively good. It's a low risk, high reward move. If he comes in and works hard, it could work out great for teams and player.

[cheebs09]

Getting a first round talent in Sanders in the fifth round is objectively good. It's a low risk, high reward move. If he comes in and works hard, it could work out great for teams and player.

Especially if some of Sanders' issues were related to attitude. This is total arm chair psychology, but I was impressed with his reaction to getting drafted. He looked genuinely excited. Maybe this will humble him and he busts his butt to prove people wrong.

It probably doesn't hurt to learn from a veteran like Flacco either. Other than maybe Pittsburgh, he couldn't have really found a better QB room to steal the job second half of the year.

[The Sultan]

I was never fully on board with the crowd numbers they have quoted - especially those who were going to be spending a night or two. I think you will have a lot of people there, many of them locals, but I doubt it will be as many as some of the early projections.

Well it looks as though I was wrong about this. Everything I heard was the crowds were enormous and everything went very well. I think the AirBNB market didn't pan out like expected but that was likely unrealistic anyway.

[Jockey]

Sanders was greatly overrated because of his name. An OK QB for an OK team.

Nowhere near the talent of Fields and Trubisky who were overrated. 

[The Sultan]

Sanders was greatly overrated because of his name. An OK QB for an OK team.

Nowhere near the talent of Fields and Trubisky who were overrated. 

Sanders is well better than a number of quarterbacks drafted before him however.

[WhiteTrash]

Well it looks as though I was wrong about this. Everything I heard was the crowds were enormous and everything went very well. I think the AirBNB market didn't pan out like expected but that was likely unrealistic anyway.

It looked like a great turnout. Sounded like Green Bay and the NFL did a good job. Kudos to Wisconsin.

Funny story, my wife watched some of the draft with me. She was and still is confused as to why people would show up to watch a draft and was even more befuddled why people were dressed up. To me it seems normal, but it is quite bizarre if you step back and think about it.

[Jockey]

Sanders is well better than a number of quarterbacks drafted before him however.

I agree.

[Pakuni]

Getting a first round talent in Sanders in the fifth round is objectively good. It's a low risk, high reward move. If he comes in and works hard, it could work out great for teams and player.

He's not a first-round talent, but definitely better than a 5th round talent. Barring a serious criminal allegation, teams wouldn't let a first-round QB fall to the fifth because they don't like his personality.
Most teams ultimately viewed him as a backup with some potential to eventually start, and those guys typically go on day two. But nobody really wants a backup who a) apparently views himself as being too good to be a backup and b) would garner incessant media attention/scrutiny.

If you look at the Browns draft room when the pick was announced, it seemed more like a hostage video. That was a Jimmy Haslam pick (like Deshaun), not Berry/Stefanski.

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[MU82]

He's not a first-round talent, but definitely better than a 5th round talent. Barring a serious criminal allegation, teams wouldn't let a first-round QB fall to the fifth because they don't like his personality.
Most teams ultimately viewed him as a backup with some potential to eventually start, and those guys typically go on day two. But nobody really wants a backup who a) apparently views himself as being too good to be a backup and b) would garner incessant media attention/scrutiny.

Agree with this. His arm strength is only OK. He holds the ball WAY too long and takes WAY too many sacks when he could simply throw the ball away. He's not a freak athlete like his dad was. He lost most of his "big" games as Colorado's QB.

All of that made him much less than a first-round talent, no matter what Mel and Coach Prime said.

But he still would have gone ahead of many of the noodle-arms taken before him had it not been for the potential circus. As you and others said, why deal with that for a backup QB?

As it turns out, Cleveland might be the one place where he has a legit chance to start because the competition isn't exactly fierce. And now one would like to think he's been humbled a little and expectations would be lower.

If I'm Cleveland, I dump Flacco - I mean, what's the point? - and make it an open competition between Pickett and the two rookies. Worst-case scenario is you suck badly enough to draft a much better QB in the first round a year from now.

Related: I'm pretty happy that the Seahawks took Milroe with their fourth selection after already addressing some major needs with their first three picks. He's an amazing athlete with a great arm and fullback size. He is said to have high intelligence and a great attitude. His mechanics need a lot of work, but Seattle doesn't need him to be QB1 (or even QB2) this season. To me, he's the ideal kind of developmental QB, and he was taken at the right spot in the draft.

[JWags85]

If I'm Cleveland, I dump Flacco - I mean, what's the point? - and make it an open competition between Pickett and the two rookies. Worst-case scenario is you suck badly enough to draft a much better QB in the first round a year from now.

Cause they still have a good defense, made stronger by getting another stud lineman to go along with Garrett, a very good coach...they aren't an entirely hopeless spot.  Let Flacco start and try to win games and bring your rookies along and don't throw them into the fire week 1.  Plus, they already have Jacksonville's #1 next year which is probably gonna be top 5 again. 

Browns had a good draft, but they couldn't be an A+, much less an A or A-, when Gabriel may have been the worst pick of the draft given the spot.

[cheebs09]

Yeah, Flacco would be a good mentor for two rookies. If anyone is an easy cut, I'd guess Pickett.

[Jockey]

I think Gabriel will probably be a career backup unless he is on a very bad team.

I also think he will have a better career than Sanders.

[GB Warrior]

Agree with this. His arm strength is only OK. He holds the ball WAY too long and takes WAY too many sacks when he could simply throw the ball away. He's not a freak athlete like his dad was. He lost most of his "big" games as Colorado's QB.

All of that made him much less than a first-round talent, no matter what Mel and Coach Prime said.

But he still would have gone ahead of many of the noodle-arms taken before him had it not been for the potential circus. As you and others said, why deal with that for a backup QB?

As it turns out, Cleveland might be the one place where he has a legit chance to start because the competition isn't exactly fierce. And now one would like to think he's been humbled a little and expectations would be lower.

If I'm Cleveland, I dump Flacco - I mean, what's the point? - and make it an open competition between Pickett and the two rookies. Worst-case scenario is you suck badly enough to draft a much better QB in the first round a year from now.

Related: I'm pretty happy that the Seahawks took Milroe with their fourth selection after already addressing some major needs with their first three picks. He's an amazing athlete with a great arm and fullback size. He is said to have high intelligence and a great attitude. His mechanics need a lot of work, but Seattle doesn't need him to be QB1 (or even QB2) this season. To me, he's the ideal kind of developmental QB, and he was taken at the right spot in the draft.

Complete agree on Seattle. However, I don't think Kubiak is the creative offensive mind to A) Develop him as a QB and B) use him in an innovative way until then. 

[JWags85]

I think Gabriel will probably be a career backup unless he is on a very bad team.

I also think he will have a better career than Sanders.

If you mean cause Gabriel will never be a starter or expect to be so he'll be fine being Chase Daniel 2.0 for 10+ years and Sanders won't want to be so he'll move on to something else in his life if he's not a regular starter 5-6 years in?  If so, then I don't know if I agree, but I can see the angle/thought process.

But in no world do I think Gabriel will ever be better, like for like, in actual performance on an NFL field.  A sub-6' QB that is slow and not a threat to run if needed, like Kyler or Russell Wilson, seems like a nightmare.

[MU82]

Cause they still have a good defense, made stronger by getting another stud lineman to go along with Garrett, a very good coach...they aren't an entirely hopeless spot.  Let Flacco start and try to win games and bring your rookies along and don't throw them into the fire week 1.  Plus, they already have Jacksonville's #1 next year which is probably gonna be top 5 again. 

Browns had a good draft, but they couldn't be an A+, much less an A or A-, when Gabriel may have been the worst pick of the draft given the spot.

Not sold on Cleveland being much more than hopeless.

Flacco is 106 years old ... and looked every day of much of last season.

I'm actually not a "just throw the rookie QB out there" guy, but in Cleveland's case I might make an exception.

But whatever ... Flacco, Pickett, rookie, the other rookie, the rapist ... it won't matter in the standings, and it sure doesn't matter to me.

[Jockey]

Not sold on Cleveland being much more than hopeless.

Flacco is 106 years old ... and looked every day of much of last season.

I'm actually not a "just throw the rookie QB out there" guy, but in Cleveland's case I might make an exception.

But whatever ... Flacco, Pickett, rookie, the other rookie, the rapist ... it won't matter in the standings, and it sure doesn't matter to me.

+1000

[StillAWarrior]

Getting a first round talent in Sanders in the fifth round is objectively good. It's a low risk, high reward move. If he comes in and works hard, it could work out great for teams and player.

As I mentioned above, I didn't want the Browns to draft Sanders. But at the 144th pick, it's pretty hard to argue that isn't good value. And the Cleveland QB situation is ideal for a young guy with a lot to prove. I don't think a lot of 5th round QBs have a great chance to compete for playing time, but I think Sanders will get that opportunity. I just hope Prime will stay out of it...but that's never really been his MO.

We're already seeing a glimpse of one of the problems that could come with this pick, though -- despite making a pretty nice trade and having some good picks, the Sanders pick is dominating the media coverage of the Browns' draft. This pick could be an absolute steal for the Browns. Or it could be a big distraction this season.

[Billy Hoyle]

Mel Kiper graded the Browns draft an A+, think it had anything to do with them taking Shedeur Sanders?

[MU82]

Some say Shedeur is not a good decision-maker ... but he made a helluva decision to not attend the draft!

[Billy Hoyle]

Some say Shedeur is not a good decision-maker ... but he made a helluva decision to not attend the draft!

It depends on the decision. To keep his QBR and completion percentage high, he decides to take sacks instead of throwing incompletions.

[Pakuni]

It depends on the decision. To keep his QBR and completion percentage high, he decides to take sacks instead of throwing incompletions.

Same for Caleb?

Shedeur's pressure-to-sack rate: 20.1%
Caleb's pressure-to-sack rate: 31.6%