2025 NFL draft

[Uncle Rico]

Why? It's served him well for most of his life.

I don't know how ESPN covered it, but NFL Network desk pretty much laid it out.  Once he slipped out of round one, teams were drafting backups and it's legit ask if he's worth the potential headache as a backup and developmental guy.  I think it's a legit concern for teams and coaches in particular.

Steelers must be certain they're getting Rodgers and other teams that might want a starter can wait to see what it'll take to get Cousins.

Plus, I'm not sure he's better than Jalen Milroe.  Shough and Gabriel were productive in college, too.  None of them are surefire picks, like Sanders.

[GB Warrior]

Why? It's served him well for most of his life.

I think it's served him well when he's the best player at his current station. He's not regarded as that for the next level.

Aaron Rodgers was worth the headache because he was one of the best QBs in the league. He wasn't worth it when he ceased to be. You're going to bring the clown show for an unproven rookie?

[Billy Hoyle]

The ESPN highlight reel they showed a few times over the past two days makes Sanders look like he doesn't have big arm strength. So many of the throws they showed were just floated/lobbed/almost-ducky deep balls that were connections for TDs or big gainers because the DBs fell down, got turned around, or were otherwise beaten like a drum. Obviously there's more to a dude's tape than the 10ish throws from a draft day montage, but almost all of the throws they showed looked like they would have been INTs in the NFL.

If he's elite, then it's worth putting up with the circus. If he's not, well...

He also takes sacks instead of throwing the ball away so his QBR and completion percentage aren't negatively impacted. To him a third and 17 is preferable to a third and 10 because his stats are more important. Teams aren't going to put up with that.

He reminds me of the old Bud Light Leon commercials. "There's no I in team. "Yeah, but there ain't no we neither."

[forgetful]

My take on Sanders. He was a very good college QB, whose skill sets don't necessarily translate well to the NFL game.

Had his last name not been Sanders, he wouldn't have gotten as much attention as he did, and would have been coming into this draft in a pack of QBs slated to be likely backups that may progress to a starter.

Now, as others have said, teams are not excited about taking on a headache for someone that will be a backup.

His media hype in college and going into the draft was largely because of his name, and now, due to his name, his slip is getting way more attention than it deserves.

[StillAWarrior]

I think he's a talented kid, but not nearly as talented as he and his father think that he is. It's an interesting situation because if he wasn't Deion's son, he probably wouldn't have ever been mentioned as a first rounder (or had his number retired to CU). I think that it's also true that if he wasn't Deion's son he may have been picked up in the second or third rounds. Being Deion's son has made him a lot of money. I think it's costing him money now.

I've held my breath each time the Browns picked..."Please, not Sanders. Please, not Sanders." That has a lot more to do with Deion than Shedeur. He's never really played without his dad running the show...I don't want his dad trying to run the show in Cleveland.

He's going to get an opportunity to prove himself. It's absolutely possible that someone is going to get the steal of the draft -- Sanders with a chip on his shoulder and something to prove.

[Dish]

I 100% believe the McShay story about Sanders/Daboll pre-draft visit. If you show up to a job interview with a poor attitude and can't take constructive feedback, you're not going to get a job offer.

I don't think Sanders gets drafted.

[GB Warrior]

Dillon Gabriel should watch his kneecaps around Shedeur's camp in training camp

[Dish]

Surprised Cleveland doubled up.

[Billy Hoyle]

Surprised Cleveland doubled up.

Why? It's Cleveland. Two RBs, two QBs.

The Browns' updated QB room:

Deshaun Watson (injured)
Kenny Pickett (trade)
Joe Flacco (free agency)
Dillon Gabriel (draft)
Shedeur Sanders (draft)

[Jockey]

I 100% believe the McShay story about Sanders/Daboll pre-draft visit. If you show up to a job interview with a poor attitude and can't take constructive feedback, you're not going to get a job offer.

I don't think Sanders gets drafted.

If you watched the off-season Hard Knocks, that isn't surprising at all. Daboll is no-nonsense and expects precise answers to his questions.

"Shedeur didn't have a great interview with Brian Daboll in a private visit. An install package came in, preparation wasn't there for it, he got called out on it, he didn't like that. Brian didn't appreciate him not liking it."

That is the Daboll from Hard Knocks.

[GB Warrior]

Why? It's Cleveland. Two RBs, two QBs.

The Browns' updated QB room:

Deshaun Watson (injured)
Kenny Pickett (trade)
Joe Flacco (free agency)
Dillon Gabriel (draft)
Shedeur Sanders (draft)

[StillAWarrior]

I don't think Sanders gets drafted.

Cleveland Browns: "Hold my beer."

[Dish]

Why? It's Cleveland. Two RBs, two QBs.

The Browns' updated QB room:

Deshaun Watson (injured)
Kenny Pickett (trade)
Joe Flacco (free agency)
Dillon Gabriel (draft)
Shedeur Sanders (draft)

That's what I was getting at, they picked up Pickett and Flacco, draft Gabriel. They are 100% drafting a QB in round 1 next year as well.

[Jockey]

Why? It's Cleveland. Two RBs, two QBs.

The Browns' updated QB room:

Deshaun Watson (injured)
Kenny Pickett (trade)
Joe Flacco (free agency)
Dillon Gabriel (draft)
Shedeur Sanders (draft)

The 1st 3 are exactly why they drafted 2 guys.

After Browns fans had to put up with Watson's baggage, I don't expect a lot of patience for Sanders.

[MU1in77]

ESPN should be happy Sanders wasn't drafted until the 5th round - it gave them something to rant about!

[Billy Hoyle]

ESPN should be happy Sanders wasn't drafted until the 5th round - it gave them something to rant about!

How much is Mel Kiper getting paid by the Sanders family? He should ask for more

[tower912]

Best of luck, young man.  Work hard and accomplish your dream.

[GB Warrior]

How much is Mel Kiper getting paid by the Sanders family? He should ask for more

Some embarrassing rants. Someone less established would be calling their last draft. 

[MU82]

I remember wanting the Hornets to draft anyone except LaMelo Ball because I didn't want to have to listen to his father whining and ranting and making it a circus. But surprise ... LaVar stayed out of it, both for LaMelo and Lonzo.

Now, Deion has a far bigger platform and far more fame than LaVar. And Shedeur is not as talented in his field as LaMelo and Lonzo (though I hope he's healthier).

As for Shedeur landing in Cleveland, the situation could actually be pretty good for him. With the QBs on the roster, one would think it would be an open competition. If Shedeur is better than Gabriel and Pickett, he'll have a chance to show it.

Of course, Shedeur could show that he's NOT good enough, but that wouldn't stop Deion and others (perhaps even including the WH occupant) from trying to make it seem as he's being treated unfairly.

The whole thing has been fascinating to watch from afar.

[Pakuni]

I remember wanting the Hornets to draft anyone except LaMelo Ball because I didn't want to have to listen to his father whining and ranting and making it a circus. But surprise ... LaVar stayed out of it, both for LaMelo and Lonzo.

Now, Deion has a far bigger platform and far more fame than LaVar. And Shedeur is not as talented in his field as LaMelo and Lonzo (though I hope he's healthier).

As for Shedeur landing in Cleveland, the situation could actually be pretty good for him. With the QBs on the roster, one would think it would be an open competition. If Shedeur is better than Gabriel and Pickett, he'll have a chance to show it.

Of course, Shedeur could show that he's NOT good enough, but that wouldn't stop Deion and others (perhaps even including the WH occupant) from trying to make it seem as he's being treated unfairly.

The whole thing has been fascinating to watch from afar.

Yeah, the weird thing about all this is Shedeur is probably the best QB on the roster.

[Pakuni]

https://x.com/RMSummerlin/status/1916226898893435226

[JWags85]

Yeah, the weird thing about all this is Shedeur is probably the best QB on the roster.

Yea the drama swung everything completely to the other side.  Was he a top 5 pick ability wise? Probably not.  But people have now gotten into a lather about him being terrible and not an NFL QB...meanwhile the Browns drafted Gabriel who is tiny and arguably does literally nothing better than Sanders and is less athletic.

If he takes direction and listens to Musgrave, who Deion is fond of and respects, he could realistically be #2 behind Flacco pretty quick.

Lost in all this, an even more incredible fall, Ewers was talked about as a #1 pick when he went to Texas, had a good 2023 season, and a rocky 2024...and now he's looking like a 7th rounder, maybe UDFA.  Riley "Noodle Arm" Leonard and Graham "I stunk every year at multiple schools" Mertz have been drafted before him. Drama when someone is not gonna be a rookie starter has flown to the top of the intangibles rankings

[Jockey]

All-in-all, pretty pleased with GB draft. Give it 2-3 years and we'll see if it is warranted.

[tower912]

I am not disappointed by the Lions draft.  Flip Frazier and Teslaa and don't give up future picks and it would have been better.   Over the last two drafts, Detroit has accumulated o-line depth.
  Drafting Williams first tells me that they are going to rely on Davenport, Paschal, and Onwuzurike at the other defensive end opposite Hutchinson.

I believe the window is still open.  I also believe the curse is still in play.   It would be nice to see what this defense can accomplish with the vast majority of the first string defense on the field.

[Billy Hoyle]

I am disappointed by the Lions draft.  Flip Frazier and Teslaa and don't give up future picks and it would have been better.   Over the last two drafts, Detroit has accumulated o-line depth.
  Drafting Williams first tells me that they are going to rely on Davenport, Paschal, and Onwuzurike at the other defensive end opposite Hutchinson.

I believe the window is still open.  I also believe the curse is still in play.   It would be nice to see what this defense can accomplish with the vast majority of the first string defense on the field.

Im very intrigued by the Boise State kid. Reminds me of Ziggy Ansah in terms of potential and raw athleticism. My hunch is Smith is resigning with them so they didn't need to draft an edge higher.