St. John's 2024-25 was overrated

[tower912]

Rent free.

[The Sultan]

When Shaka's had multiple national titles, Final Fours, and second weekends, I'll cut him the same slack too.  Pitino's earned a few more benefits of the doubt.  You act like Pitino just arrived on the scene. 

Pitino won one national championship, 29 years ago.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

When Shaka's had multiple national titles, Final Fours, and second weekends, I'll cut him the same slack too.  Pitino's earned a few more benefits of the doubt.  You act like Pitino just arrived on the scene. 

You're missing the point.

If it can happen to a HOF coach, then it can certainly happen to a non HOF coach.  You should expect more of a HOF coach, not less.

[cheebs09]

Pitino won one national championship, 29 years ago.

Well, I still give him credit for 2013.

[HutchwasClutch]

You're missing the point.

If it can happen to a HOF coach, then it can certainly happen to a non HOF coach.  You should expect more of a HOF coach, not less.

You haven't even responded to my original post, which wasn't meant as any commentary on Shaka or any other coaches for that matter at all.  I guess when you accuse strange roster building to a coach that has done nothing but win big at every program he's been and get called out for it, that's what you're left to change the argument so your first point is forgotten hopefully. 

[The Sultan]

You haven't even responded to my original post, which wasn't meant as any commentary on Shaka or any other coaches for that matter at all.  I guess when you accuse strange roster building to a coach that has done nothing but win big at every program he's been and get called out for it, that's what you're left to change the argument so your first point is forgotten hopefully. 

His point was that he didn't know who was going to run the offense because they don't have a clear distributor. And provided evidence to support his question.

Your point was something along the lines of since he has been a winning coach, he has a good idea of what he is doing. Which is strange because he's hardly without error - I mean, look at this year's team as an example.

His argument is WAY more compelling than yours.

[HutchwasClutch]

His point was that he didn't know who was going to run the offense because they don't have a clear distributor. And provided evidence to support his question.

Your point was something along the lines of since he has been a winning coach, he has a good idea of what he is doing. Which is strange because he's hardly without error - I mean, look at this year's team as an example.

His argument is WAY more compelling than yours.

Thanks for your analysis Fluffy.  Your opinion is so important to me. 

[The Sultan]

Thanks for your analysis Fluffy.  Your opinion is so important to me. 

It should be. I'm very smart.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

You haven't even responded to my original post, which wasn't meant as any commentary on Shaka or any other coaches for that matter at all.  I guess when you accuse strange roster building to a coach that has done nothing but win big at every program he's been and get called out for it, that's what you're left to change the argument so your first point is forgotten hopefully. 

Your original post didn't warrant a response. I didn't say anything negative about Pitino. I said "I'm not sure what theyre planning" and "it will be interesting to watch." I actually agree that Pitino is a great coach and will figure it out (though I think hes having to call an audible because I think he thought he had Xaivian Lee in the bag).

I was amused that the evidence you used to white knight for Pitino was also a word for word description of Shaka.

[HutchwasClutch]

Nm

[HutchwasClutch]

Your original post didn't warrant a response. I didn't say anything negative about Pitino. I said "I'm not sure what theyre planning" and "it will be interesting to watch." I actually agree that Pitino is a great coach and will figure it out (though I think hes having to call an audible because I think he thought he had Xaivian Lee in the bag).

I was amused that the evidence you used to white knight for Pitino was also a word for word description of Shaka.

So you "actually agree" all this time it turns out.  Guess I should have read your mind before my first response. 

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

So you "actually agree" all this time it turns out.  Guess I should have read your mind before my first response. 

?

I don't know why you think mind reading was needed. I didn't feel the need to affirm that Pitino is a good coach so I didn't respond. In your last post,  you brought up that I hadnt responded so I did.

I was interested in your effusive praise for Pitonos accomplishments at St Johns given that Shaka accomplished the exact same thing at Marquette. So I posted about that topic. I thought we were having a conversation about that.

[BLWarrior91]

Pitino won one national championship, 29 years ago.

I see what you did here!  Well played.

Thinking of Rick's single title at UK, let's never forget when his 1994 team got rolled by KO's Warriors.  Still one of my favorite wins in program history.

[Galway Eagle]

Pitino won one national championship, 29 years ago.

Revoking championships is a stupid punishment. It's not like we were given a Bug East championship for 2012, it's not like 2013 never happened or that Michigan now won.

Sure on the record books Pitino has one championship, but he's won two.

[The Sultan]

Revoking championships is a stupid punishment. It's not like we were given a Bug East championship for 2012, it's not like 2013 never happened or that Michigan now won.

Sure on the record books Pitino has one championship, but he's won two.

He's won one. Cheating to win one doesn't count.

[Galway Eagle]

He's won one. Cheating to win one doesn't count.

Haha sure chip

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/game/_/gameId/330980097/michigan-louisville

[The Sultan]

Haha sure chip

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/game/_/gameId/330980097/michigan-louisville

Since rescinded bub. Try to keep up.

[Galway Eagle]

Since rescinded bub. Try to keep up.

So he did not win a second championship game? No. Fact is he won two championship games. Editing books because of the prostitution scandal doesnt erase reality that they won the championship in 2013.

[The Sultan]

So he did not win a second championship game? No. Fact is he won two championship games. Editing books because of the prostitution scandal doesnt erase reality that they won the championship in 2013.

Nope. Again try to keep up. It was recinded. He's won one championship.

[Galway Eagle]

Nope. Again try to keep up. It was recinded. He's won one championship.

Did Robert Traylor play basketball at Michigan?

[The Sultan]

Did Robert Traylor play basketball at Michigan?

Of course. Just like Pitino coached at Lousiville in 2013.

(You're not catching me in your simplistic trap by the way.)

[Galway Eagle]

Of course. Just like Pitino coached at Lousiville in 2013.

So reality happened. One person could count it as what happened one person can go by the official record. Without setting parameters beforehand determining what data set to work off of both would be accurate.

Traylor played basketball at Michigan, he never officially played at Michigan according to the record books.

[The Sultan]

False. Robert Traylor officially played at Michigan. Just like Rick Pitino officially coached at Louisville.

[Galway Eagle]

False. Robert Traylor officially played at Michigan. Just like Rick Pitino officially coached at Louisville.

Hell, Louisville won the national championship with a point guard with a worse FG% than Junior!!! 

[The Sultan]

Title was revoked in 2018.