Something I Don't Understand

[rgoode57]

Perhaps I am showing my age, but I have to ask. Have academic requirements for college athletes just completely disappeared? You never hear about a school not being able to accept a portal transfer because the player does meet their academic requirements. And, it has been years since I heard of a player being declared academically ineligible. And I recently heard Deion Sanders say publicly that he did not remember his son ever going to class at Colorado.

There are apparently a few athletes, like Oso and Stevie, who still take academics seriously, but I get the impression that players like that are a true rarity today.

Do schools now just enroll these kids only for the purpose of playing basketball or football? Is there now no pretense at all of educating them?

[Markusquette]

I think it's always been a rarity, but even more so nowadays. With all of the money being poured into sports programs through NIL, they're turning their backs to academics as the players seem to essentially be majoring in athletics now. Most programs will do whatever they can to make academics as easy as possible for their "student athletes"

[jfp61]

Perhaps I am showing my age, but I have to ask. Have academic requirements for college athletes just completely disappeared? You never hear about a school not being able to accept a portal transfer because the player does meet their academic requirements. And, it has been years since I heard of a player being declared academically ineligible. And I recently heard Deion Sanders say publicly that he did not remember his son ever going to class at Colorado.

There are apparently a few athletes, like Oso and Stevie, who still take academics seriously, but I get the impression that players like that are a true rarity today.

Do schools now just enroll these kids only for the purpose of playing basketball or football? Is there now no pretense at all of educating them?

Honestly they have just been getting lower and lower over time, and it makes sense as coaches limit athletes can to go into specific programs anyways.

Even in 2010ish. Ivy league schools only required like a 25-26 ACT for student athletes to get in to some programs at their universities.

Thats why it is so funny when programs say that athletes didn't qualify for their school academically. That just is never truely the case. It typically means something else happened.

[The Sultan]

I think it's always been a rarity, but even more so nowadays. With all of the money being poured into sports programs through NIL, they're turning their backs to academics as the players seem to essentially be majoring in athletics now. Most programs will do whatever they can to make academics as easy as possible for their "student athletes"

You're making assumptions here without any evidence. How is athletes making money through NIL correlated with schools "turning their backs to academics?"

The NCAA still has initial eligibility standards. I believe they still have progress toward degree requirements to transfer. Graduate transfers obviously have to obtain their undergraduate degree.

It's also up to the institutions as well.

[JakeBarnes]

Love and the pg from FAU didn't meet Michigan criteria

[rgoode57]

If any NCAA academic standards were being enforced, you would hear something about it. As I said, when was the last time any of us heard of a college athlete, in any sport, being declared academically ineligible? And you can't tell me all these players in the portal can just transfer to any school they want unless academic requirements are just being set aside. Any normal student transferring from, say Northern Arizona to Creighton, just to pick two schools, is going to have to go through an academic review process, etc, may lose some
credits in the process, and may even not be accepted. Never happens though with athletes. Schools that do not accept transfer students at all do so, however, for athletes. Sorry to be an old grump, but there is something terribly wrong about all of this.

[wadesworld]

If any NCAA academic standards were being enforced, you would hear something about it. As I said, when was the last time any of us heard of a college athlete, in any sport, being declared academically ineligible? And you can't tell me all these players in the portal can just transfer to any school they want unless academic requirements are just being set aside. Any normal student transferring from, say Northern Arizona to Creighton, just to pick two schools, is going to have to go through an academic review process, etc, may lose some
credits in the process, and may even not be accepted. Never happens though with athletes. Schools that do not accept transfer students at all do so, however, for athletes. Sorry to be an old grump, but there is something terribly wrong about all of this.

They have academic resources that make it very hard to drop below academic eligibility.  How often did you hear about players being academically ineligible prior to NIL and the transfer portal?  It has always been a huge story (Fab Melo) because it rarely ever happens.  This isn't new.

Of course student athletes are looked at differently than your standard student in terms of admission into a school.
 Again, this is something that has always happened.  And why would you think a student athlete's credits all transfer over cleanly to the new school they're attending?

[The Sultan]

If any NCAA academic standards were being enforced, you would hear something about it. As I said, when was the last time any of us heard of a college athlete, in any sport, being declared academically ineligible? And you can't tell me all these players in the portal can just transfer to any school they want unless academic requirements are just being set aside. Any normal student transferring from, say Northern Arizona to Creighton, just to pick two schools, is going to have to go through an academic review process, etc, may lose some
credits in the process, and may even not be accepted. Never happens though with athletes. Schools that do not accept transfer students at all do so, however, for athletes. Sorry to be an old grump, but there is something terribly wrong about all of this.

Last fall.

[mileskishnish72]

It would be discriminatory if standards were enforced on athletes when you consider what is expected of regular students. A college degree has become less valuable in the last
twenty years or so and for that reason many young people are choosing not to go to college. If all else fails, they're hiring teachers in NJ.

[junglecat022]

If any NCAA academic standards were being enforced, you would hear something about it. As I said, when was the last time any of us heard of a college athlete, in any sport, being declared academically ineligible? And you can't tell me all these players in the portal can just transfer to any school they want unless academic requirements are just being set aside. Any normal student transferring from, say Northern Arizona to Creighton, just to pick two schools, is going to have to go through an academic review process, etc, may lose some
credits in the process, and may even not be accepted. Never happens though with athletes. Schools that do not accept transfer students at all do so, however, for athletes. Sorry to be an old grump, but there is something terribly wrong about all of this.

This has happened each of the previous 2 seasons with Michigan declining to accept the transfers of Caleb Love and Johnell Davis.

[Norm]

This has happened each of the previous 2 seasons with Michigan declining to accept the transfers of Caleb Love and Johnell Davis.

Really? I'm sure you're right but I'm shocked that's the case for UM, as the school has virtually no academic standards for athletes.

[bilsu]

I think Love at up at Arizona when Michigan would not admit him. Apparently, whatever he did at North Carolina was not good enough for Michigan.

[GB Warrior]

My understanding is that this only happens when UW misses out on a recruit. 

[MU_B]

Crypto currency.  That's something I don't understand.

[GB Warrior]

Crypto currency.  That's something I don't understand.

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[Billy Hoyle]

I think Love at up at Arizona when Michigan would not admit him. Apparently, whatever he did at North Carolina was not good enough for Michigan.

Both Love and Davis got caught up in a UM institutional rule where students have to earn 50% of their degree at UM in order to graduate (other schools have this rule too, Ohio State is one). So, even though both had enough credits to have met NCAA PTD standards else where the Michigan rule put them at 50% and under NCAA requirements. Goldin made it from FAU because he was a graduate transfer but Davis was a fifth year undergrad who had to be 80% completed with his undergrad degree at Michigan, which wasn't possible under their policies.

Colorado had that rule but scrapped it for Deion

[WhiteTrash]

My understanding is that this only happens when UW misses out on a recruit. 

There is a NCAA standard
  an Ivy League standard
  and then The UW-Madison standard.

[Superfan]

It's my understanding that Wisconsin will not even talk to a prospective athlete unless that have taken at least four AP courses in high school and have no less than a 32 on their ACT.

[Viper]

My understanding is that this only happens when UW misses out on a recruit. 

true...but Gard always gets his guy, hey

[Biggie Clausen]

Both Love and Davis got caught up in a UM institutional rule where students have to earn 50% of their degree at UM in order to graduate (other schools have this rule too, Ohio State is one). So, even though both had enough credits to have met NCAA PTD standards else where the Michigan rule put them at 50% and under NCAA requirements. Goldin made it from FAU because he was a graduate transfer but Davis was a fifth year undergrad who had to be 80% completed with his undergrad degree at Michigan, which wasn't possible under their policies.

Colorado had that rule but scrapped it for Deion

Wasn't there a similar thing with Crowder at MU, where Buzz recruited him even though his JUCO credits didn't transfer and he had no chance to graduate?

[dpucane]

There are classes designed to be easily passable for athletes and that's been the case for decades.

As mentioned before, they have an expansive tutoring system that stops just short of giving them test answers a lot of the time.

[GB Warrior]

Wasn't there a similar thing with Crowder at MU, where Buzz recruited him even though his JUCO credits didn't transfer and he had no chance to graduate?

Ok but once you saw Jae tweet it all made sense

[MuggsyB]

There are classes designed to be easily passable for athletes and that's been the case for decades.

As mentioned before, they have an expansive tutoring system that stops just short of giving them test answers a lot of the time.

I think you have to make a distinction between football and men's basketball from other athletes.  I would guess 95% or more, of those that participate in women's college sports, are legitimate student athletes.   And they take real classes.

[MuggsyB]

There is a NCAA standard
  an Ivy League standard
  and then The UW-Madison standard.

Ivies have lower standards as well. Still higher standards than everyone else, but significantly lower standards to get in. 

[Viper]

There are classes designed to be easily passable for athletes and that's been the case for decades.

As mentioned before, they have an expansive tutoring system that stops just short of giving them test answers a lot of the time.

I needed that, hey. Is it obvious? 🤣