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WhiteTrash

Quote from: Billy Hoyle on June 05, 2025, 01:16:38 PMBoth run the Suns, Mat is the majority owner, Justin the minority owner.

Justin echoed Mat's excitement stating, "We are thrilled about the opportunity to make a positive impact on the Phoenix sports ecosystem and community through a people-first, family approach.  My brother and I look forward to bringing our passion for basketball and competitive spirit to The Valley."
It is impossible to tell if Justin will be a good owner of the Sox, but it is really hard to imagine him being worse the JR is now. IMO JR was a decent owner of the Bulls and Sox until recently (last 5-10 years). Now he is truly awful and I'd guess it is an age issue. But, there is at least some reason for hope on the Southside, which is a good thing.

Billy Hoyle

Quote from: WhiteTrash on June 05, 2025, 02:00:56 PMIt is impossible to tell if Justin will be a good owner of the Sox, but it is really hard to imagine him being worse the JR is now. IMO JR was a decent owner of the Bulls and Sox until recently (last 5-10 years). Now he is truly awful and I'd guess it is an age issue. But, there is at least some reason for hope on the Southside, which is a good thing.

what's the stadium situation? Don't they want to replace whatever the hell it's called park?
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Pakuni

Quote from: Billy Hoyle on June 05, 2025, 01:16:38 PMBoth run the Suns, Mat is the majority owner, Justin the minority owner.

Justin echoed Mat's excitement stating, "We are thrilled about the opportunity to make a positive impact on the Phoenix sports ecosystem and community through a people-first, family approach.  My brother and I look forward to bringing our passion for basketball and competitive spirit to The Valley."

Justin isn't involved in team operations. He's an investor.

https://basketball.realgm.com/nba/teams/Phoenix-Suns/23/staff-members/Current/grid

WhiteTrash

Quote from: Billy Hoyle on June 05, 2025, 02:02:28 PMwhat's the stadium situation? Don't they want to replace whatever the hell it's called park?
I'd put the Sox new stadium chances about even with MU's D1 football return.

Shaka Shart

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TallTitan34

Quote from: WhiteTrash on June 05, 2025, 04:06:12 PMI'd put the Sox new stadium chances about even with MU's D1 football return.

Especially since the Fire just stole their site.

CreightonWarrior

TJ surgery for Corbin Burnes

Uncle Rico

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Shaka Shart

"If we finish off this recruiting class on a high note and have another good year next year, with one 2018 already signed up (Bailey) we may be on the verge of a new era of sustained basketball success which would be known to all as the Golden Eagles era." - Herman Cain

Dish

They're not good, but this Sox team is fun to watch and see them develop.

tower912

Very impressed with Meidroth.
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Jockey


Pakuni

Quote from: Jockey on June 06, 2025, 10:00:28 PMNick Madrigal clone?

What Madrigal was supposed to be, but never was.

Jockey

Quote from: Pakuni on June 13, 2025, 07:16:45 PMWhat Madrigal was supposed to be, but never was.


Pretty sad when the profile he failed to reach was 'a singles hitter with no speed'.

Dish


Jockey

Good trade for both teams.

MU82

Shohei starting tomorrow night vs Padres. (Or tonight, for those not on West Coast.)
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MUBurrow

Quote from: Jockey on June 15, 2025, 07:15:23 PMGood trade for both teams.

Don't disagree, but surprised Boston wasn't able to extract a little more prospect capital, even with Devers' contract.  I've also been surprised that SF has been incapable of enticing significant free agent hitters considering they've got as much money as anyone to throw around, outside NYY, NYM, and LAD.  Is Oracle becoming to free agent hitters what Coors is to pitchers?

Jockey

Quote from: MUBurrow on June 16, 2025, 09:19:43 AMDon't disagree, but surprised Boston wasn't able to extract a little more prospect capital, even with Devers' contract.  I've also been surprised that SF has been incapable of enticing significant free agent hitters considering they've got as much money as anyone to throw around, outside NYY, NYM, and LAD.  Is Oracle becoming to free agent hitters what Coors is to pitchers?

I think all of your points are correct. IMO, the reasoning from Boston is the long term contract combined with the return of Bergman and all of their young hitters.

Billy Hoyle

CWS, not MLB, but Gage Wood from Arkansas tosses the third no hitter in CWS history (first since 1960) with 19 strikeouts. Ridiculous!
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18thandWells

Quote from: Dish on June 06, 2025, 09:05:14 PMThey're not good, but this Sox team is fun to watch and see them develop.
I read this when you posted it, and I've been thinking about it a lot the past 10 days. I've decided I completely disagree with you.

CTWarrior

Quote from: Jockey on June 15, 2025, 07:15:23 PMGood trade for both teams.
Not for the Red Sox.  A hitter of Devers quality at his age would cost more than 30M/yr now so I don't think that contract is some albatross.  SF is as bad a park for him as there is, so it will be interesting how he does there.  Like most Red Sox lefties hit lots more homers on the road, but much higher BA at home. 

Red Sox traded away Mookie Betts, Chris Sale and Rafael Devers away without getting anything of value in return.  They got more value from trading away Christian Vasquez (Wilyer Abreu) than from the other three guys combined.

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Jockey

Quote from: CTWarrior on June 17, 2025, 01:27:54 PMNot for the Red Sox.  A hitter of Devers quality at his age would cost more than 30M/yr now so I don't think that contract is some albatross.  SF is as bad a park for him as there is, so it will be interesting how he does there.  Like most Red Sox lefties hit lots more homers on the road, but much higher BA at home. 

Red Sox traded away Mookie Betts, Chris Sale and Rafael Devers away without getting anything of value in return.  They got more value from trading away Christian Vasquez (Wilyer Abreu) than from the other three guys combined.



Devers is overpayed for a pure DH. The only guys making more as a DH are guys who played the field when they were signed - Stanton, Ohtani, and Kris Bryant.

That being said, I would be pissed about the trade if I were a Sox fan. Good hitters don't grow on trees. Now, at least 2 of the 3 rookies have to make it big.

I'm high on Anthony. Unsure about the 2 IFs.

MU82

Quote from: Jockey on June 17, 2025, 02:02:52 PMDevers is overpayed for a pure DH.

Of the 1,035 games Devers has started in his career, only 93 - mostly this season - have been at DH. He has started 942 games at 3B. As a 3B who hits the way he has, he certainly is not overpaid.

Now, if the Giants have no plans to play him at 3B, then I guess one could argue that he's an overpaid DH. But that's kind of on them, no?

Quote from: CTWarrior on June 17, 2025, 01:27:54 PMRed Sox traded away Mookie Betts, Chris Sale and Rafael Devers away without getting anything of value in return.

Operating like a small-market team as they've gone from perennial contender to willing also-ran. The biggest surprise was them paying up for Bregman this past offseason, but that signing makes little sense if they're not gonna have enough other pieces to contend for anything.
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Uncle Rico

Quote from: MU82 on June 17, 2025, 02:30:55 PMOf the 1,035 games Devers has started in his career, only 93 - mostly this season - have been at DH. He has started 942 games at 3B. As a 3B who hits the way he has, he certainly is not overpaid.

Now, if the Giants have no plans to play him at 3B, then I guess one could argue that he's an overpaid DH. But that's kind of on them, no?

Operating like a small-market team as they've gone from perennial contender to willing also-ran. The biggest surprise was them paying up for Bregman this past offseason, but that signing makes little sense if they're not gonna have enough other pieces to contend for anything.

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