2025 MLB Season

[cheebs09]

It's Scoop so the debate will go into all the minutiae, but the fact it's even a conversation that three of the Dodgers top of the order bats stack up favorably with the Brewers best player of all-time who played 30+ years ago is kind of the point.

[The Sultan]

Freddy Freeman is the Cecil Cooper of his era.

[Uncle Rico]

Freddy Freeman is the Cecil Cooper of his era.

I love me some Cecil Cooper but Freeman is a far superior player

[MU82]

I was a Yankees fan as a kid and heard the same stuff. They had the highest payroll in the mid- to late-1970s, and it wasn't close. Their roster looked like an All-Star team. It helped them win two World Series. But it didn't help them win 3 or 4 or 5. They lost to teams with decidedly lower payrolls, or they didn't make the playoffs at all - like this year's Mets, whose payroll was only a few million dollars less than that of the Dodgers.

The Yankees, who have spent more in aggregate than any team the last 25 years, have somehow only won 1 World Series since 2001. They have missed the postseason WAY more times than they have won pennants. And after every one of those failures, the New York media analyzes ad nauseum how it was possible for the richest franchise in baseball to keep failing.

The Mariners have a similar salary profile to that of the Brewers. Their payroll is a little higher in part because they went out and got Suarez and Naylor at the trade deadline. The Brewers chose not to upgrade their team - that was their choice. They obviously could have afforded one or both of those players.

Teams with top-10 payrolls that didn't even make the playoffs: Mets, Astros, Rangers, Braves.

The Mariners beat Skubal twice this season and won 2 other games he started. So if they are fortunate enough to complete a series win over Toronto - whose payroll is $90M higher than theirs - will it be absolutely impossible for the Mariners to beat Snell or Yamamoto? I don't think so, but I guess we'll see.

In his previous start, Yamamoto gave up 3 runs in 4 innings to the Phillies. So now Mariners fans (or Brewers fans) are supposed to shrug and say, "Well, he can't be hit"? He had a bunch of starts this season in which he gave up 4+ runs. He walked 6 in his next-to-last start of the regular season. But now he's unbeatable?

Snell's WHIP this season was 1.255, so he allowed plenty of baserunners. Skubal's numbers were far better, and over a larger sample size. In his wild-card start against the Reds, Snell gave up 2 runs. In his NLDS start against Philly, he walked 4. He's a great pitcher, yes. That's what I expect to face this time of year, regardless of opponent.

Ask Vlad Jr. about how tough it is to face great pitching this time of year. After killing the Yankees, the Blue Jays' $500 million man is 0-for-7 against the Mariners, and he's only hit it out of the infield once.

Despite being outspent and outclassed, the Brewers lost Game 1 by one inch. If they win that game, are we even having this conversation today?

[The Sultan]

I love me some Cecil Cooper but Freeman is a far superior player

Oh I know. It was just words that I wanted to say for no particular reason.

[The Sultan]

I was a Yankees fan as a kid and heard the same stuff. They had the highest payroll in the mid- to late-1970s, and it wasn't close. Their roster looked like an All-Star team. It helped them win two World Series. But it didn't help them win 3 or 4 or 5. They lost to teams with decidedly lower payrolls, or they didn't make the playoffs at all - like this year's Mets, whose payroll was only a few million dollars less than that of the Dodgers.

The Yankees, who have spent more in aggregate than any team the last 25 years, have somehow only won 1 World Series since 2001. They have missed the postseason WAY more times than they have won pennants. And after every one of those failures, the New York media analyzes ad nauseum how it was possible for the richest franchise in baseball to keep failing.

The Mariners have a similar salary profile to that of the Brewers. Their payroll is a little higher in part because they went out and got Suarez and Naylor at the trade deadline. The Brewers chose not to upgrade their team - that was their choice. They obviously could have afforded one or both of those players.

Teams with top-10 payrolls that didn't even make the playoffs: Mets, Astros, Rangers, Braves.

The Mariners beat Skubal twice this season and won 2 other games he started. So if they are fortunate enough to complete a series win over Toronto - whose payroll is $90M higher than theirs - will it be absolutely impossible for the Mariners to beat Snell or Yamamoto? I don't think so, but I guess we'll see.

In his previous start, Yamamoto gave up 3 runs in 4 innings to the Phillies. So now Mariners fans (or Brewers fans) are supposed to shrug and say, "Well, he can't be hit"? He had a bunch of starts this season in which he gave up 4+ runs. He walked 6 in his next-to-last start of the regular season. But now he's unbeatable?

Snell's WHIP this season was 1.255, so he allowed plenty of baserunners. Skubal's numbers were far better, and over a larger sample size. In his wild-card start against the Reds, Snell gave up 2 runs. In his NLDS start against Philly, he walked 4. He's a great pitcher, yes. That's what I expect to face this time of year, regardless of opponent.

Ask Vlad Jr. about how tough it is to face great pitching this time of year. After killing the Yankees, the Blue Jays' $500 million man is 0-for-7 against the Mariners, and he's only hit it out of the infield once.

Despite being outspent and outclassed, the Brewers lost Game 1 by one inch. If they win that game, are we even having this conversation today?

No we aren't.

But I also want to say that this points out that Friedman and Roberts are doing a better job than they are given credit for.

[#UnleashSean]

I had the greatest thing told to me today.


The Brewers are the vikings of the NL Central. And ite absolutely accurate haha.

[The Sultan]

I had the greatest thing told to me today.

The Brewers are the vikings of the NL Central. And ite absolutely accurate haha.

That implies that the Cardinals are the Packers of the NL Central. And we can't have that.

[#UnleashSean]

That implies that the Cardinals are the Packers of the NL Central. And we can't have that.

It is what it is.

[muwarrior69]

I was a Yankees fan as a kid and heard the same stuff. They had the highest payroll in the mid- to late-1970s, and it wasn't close. Their roster looked like an All-Star team. It helped them win two World Series. But it didn't help them win 3 or 4 or 5. They lost to teams with decidedly lower payrolls, or they didn't make the playoffs at all - like this year's Mets, whose payroll was only a few million dollars less than that of the Dodgers.

The Yankees, who have spent more in aggregate than any team the last 25 years, have somehow only won 1 World Series since 2001. They have missed the postseason WAY more times than they have won pennants. And after every one of those failures, the New York media analyzes ad nauseum how it was possible for the richest franchise in baseball to keep failing.

The Mariners have a similar salary profile to that of the Brewers. Their payroll is a little higher in part because they went out and got Suarez and Naylor at the trade deadline. The Brewers chose not to upgrade their team - that was their choice. They obviously could have afforded one or both of those players.

Teams with top-10 payrolls that didn't even make the playoffs: Mets, Astros, Rangers, Braves.

The Mariners beat Skubal twice this season and won 2 other games he started. So if they are fortunate enough to complete a series win over Toronto - whose payroll is $90M higher than theirs - will it be absolutely impossible for the Mariners to beat Snell or Yamamoto? I don't think so, but I guess we'll see.

In his previous start, Yamamoto gave up 3 runs in 4 innings to the Phillies. So now Mariners fans (or Brewers fans) are supposed to shrug and say, "Well, he can't be hit"? He had a bunch of starts this season in which he gave up 4+ runs. He walked 6 in his next-to-last start of the regular season. But now he's unbeatable?

Snell's WHIP this season was 1.255, so he allowed plenty of baserunners. Skubal's numbers were far better, and over a larger sample size. In his wild-card start against the Reds, Snell gave up 2 runs. In his NLDS start against Philly, he walked 4. He's a great pitcher, yes. That's what I expect to face this time of year, regardless of opponent.

Ask Vlad Jr. about how tough it is to face great pitching this time of year. After killing the Yankees, the Blue Jays' $500 million man is 0-for-7 against the Mariners, and he's only hit it out of the infield once.

Despite being outspent and outclassed, the Brewers lost Game 1 by one inch. If they win that game, are we even having this conversation today?

The Mariners are the only MLB club to have never played in a World Series. Cannot help but root for them!

[GB Warrior]

No we aren't.

But I also want to say that this points out that Friedman and Roberts are doing a better job than they are given credit for.

They are exceptionally good at their jobs. Friedman is extremely good at asset maximization — it's why he's there. But their asset pool is massive, and he's maximizing it. There is an inherent margin for error that no one else has. That does not mean that no one else can win ever. It means that the stars need to align for that to happen. And they can take changes (Snell) that only 5 or 6 teams can.

Any blip (A Woodruff injury, Devin Williams punching a wall, Christian Yelich hitting like Bartolo Colon) and the odds are massive. The Brewers have silenced the best player in the world to a single hit. And it hasn't mattered.

They should have won game 1. I think their swing early game plan against Yoshi was stupid and antithetical to the way the Brewers have otherwise won. But they're not working in the same arena and there's no other single reason to point to than resources.

[GB Warrior]

That implies that the Cardinals are the Packers of the NL Central. And we can't have that.

This is regrettably true

[MU82]

The Mariners are the only MLB club to have never played in a World Series. Cannot help but root for them!

The last time the Mariners hosted an ALCS game, Ichiro was a rookie and Julio Rodriguez was 10 months old.

It's time to win the pennant!

[CreightonWarrior]

This is regrettably true

A)Packers fans can at least spell moron
B) does this make John Kuhn Yadier Molina?

[Uncle Rico]

It is what it is.

I had the greatest thing told to me today.


The Brewers are the vikings of the NL Central. And ite absolutely accurate haha.

Beats being the Bears

[The Sultan]

B) does this make John Kuhn Yadier Molina?

[Billy Hoyle]

The Mariners are the only MLB club to have never played in a World Series. Cannot help but root for them!

True, but a Canadian team making the WS this year would be amusing

[wadesworld]

I had the greatest thing told to me today.


The Brewers are the vikings of the NL Central. And ite absolutely accurate haha.

I love when Cubs fans think they're just this incredible organization.  Congratulations on getting 1 World Series win in the last 115 years or whatever the number is now.

[The Sultan]

I love when Cubs fans think they're just this incredible organization.  Congratulations on getting 1 World Series win in the last 115 years or whatever the number is now.

The Detroit Lions of the NL Central

[Uncle Rico]

The Detroit Lions of the NL Central

The Lions don't play in a Piss Dome

[GB Warrior]

The Lions don't play in a Piss Dome

Anymore

[GB Warrior]

A)Packers fans can at least spell moron
B) does this make John Kuhn Yadier Molina?

Who is the Cardinals Jeff Janis

[wadesworld]

Who is the Cardinals Jeff Janis

David Freese

[The Sultan]

Who is the Cardinals Jeff Janis

Andy Van Slyke

[CTWarrior]

Pretty mean thing to say about Robin Yount.

Mookie Betts has 2 less WAR in 8 less seasons than Yount.
Ohtani has 67% of Yount's WAR in 40% of his seasons.
Freddie Freeman and Yount are comparable (83% of Yount's WAR in 80% of his seasons)

Yount was a great great player.  These guys are as great or greater.